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exit options from national L&E "boutique"
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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:11 PM Author: Contagious Temple Private Investor Think oagletree deakins, littler, jackson lewis. Been here for 7-8 months. got great feedback at first and got lots of work. haven't been getting much lately, and recently managing partner wasn't too happy with a brief i wrote (although the next thing i gave him he said was "great"). can't decide whether things are just slow, or i need to get off my ass to get work, or it's hopeless and people are phasing me out. assuming the latter, where can i end up? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925764) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:13 PM Author: Splenetic chad Welcome to Plaintiffs side employment law (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925776) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:17 PM Author: Contagious Temple Private Investor 99% of these firms are shit. i'll do doc review or leave law. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925803) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:21 PM Author: dashing amethyst point Some of them must make money otherwise there'd be no LE litigation faggot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925829) |
Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:14 PM Author: fishy french chef rofl uh, there are no exit options (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925779) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:17 PM Author: gold duck-like heaven I thought L&E had the benefit of good in-house exit ops, since basically every company has employment issues. The associates who have left the L&E section at my firm definitely seem to have found decent jobs. I can't imagine it would be different from one of the well-known management side firms. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925808) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:20 PM Author: dashing amethyst point Yeah, LE is good for inhouse options but the OP doesnt have nearly enough experience. If he is fucked after just 7m he has no future and shld just hang himself (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925825) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:26 PM Author: Contagious Temple Private Investor i lateraled as a 5th year, so i have experience (a lot, actually because i started out with a solo and was co-chairing NLRB trials and handling EEOC investigations on my own) before i came here. now it's 5 attorneys staffed on a case, and i get asked to do discrete research assignments. i guess i shouldn't complain, but it is a bit disappointing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925865) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:27 PM Author: dashing amethyst point yea BIGLAW is shit.. just apply inhouse.. u prob have enough experience.. back when id check inhouse job postings literally like 15-25% were probably for LE... its one of the most common (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925875) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:21 PM Author: fishy french chef just do: help fuck over workers, bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925830) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:24 PM Author: dashing amethyst point this is american way (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925852) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:21 PM Author: fishy french chef what does a 1st/2nd yr in oglatree make (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925833) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:24 PM Author: dashing amethyst point if they are in NYC/LA etc probably 20-30k less than v10 firm, not including bonus
if in atlanta less |
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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:30 PM Author: fishy french chef how much in an atlanta or minneapolis
cannot believe these firms have enough work to pay a first year associate anything in the 6 figures |
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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:33 PM Author: dashing amethyst point check nalpdirectory
in case u haven't noticed like every fuckin company in america has LE issues and these national boutiques do a lot of work for the fortune 500 companies so definitely enough work to go around and it is recession proof basically
all the ones OP mentioned pay six figures in major markets.. probably even in shittier places like phoenix and atlanta too |
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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:35 PM Author: Contagious Temple Private Investor i can confirm all of the above. we represent a lot of household names. so do the other firms.
i'd say in a secondary market, starting pay is 110-120 |
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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:35 PM Author: fishy french chef are all of these firms defense side? or both? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925948) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:37 PM Author: Contagious Temple Private Investor management-only as far as i know. i don't think they dabble in plaintiffs/union work for obvious conflicts reasons. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925959) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:38 PM Author: fishy french chef % of the work is legitimately fucking over poor worker bros? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925963) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:43 PM Author: dashing amethyst point basically 99%- from what ive seen all defense side firm's do is try to DESTROY an employee who sues a company.. u just say they were a horrible employee and they have all sorts of non-work related emotional issues.. just absolutely destroy a human being.. its fucking pathetic in a way that even other BIGLAW specialties arent as pathetic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925995) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:45 PM Author: Splenetic chad lol at our divergent replies. You a plaintiff's side bro? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22926011) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:46 PM Author: dashing amethyst point i was not referring to whether the cases are legit or not.. i was just saying that in 99% of cases defense side LE lawyers will try to destory the fucking employee-plaintiff (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22926019) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:47 PM Author: fishy french chef 180, noticed that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22926024) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:43 PM Author: Splenetic chad Maybe 10-20% of cases are legit,and most of those cases will settle.
Vast majority of Title VII cases are complete shit. I can't even imagine the aggregate cost to businesses per year from having to defend all this shit. |
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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:45 PM Author: dashing amethyst point its their own fucking fault.. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22926013) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:31 PM Author: Exhilarant voyeur labor and employment? you should be able to get in house easily. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925913) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:34 PM Author: fishy french chef how do you get one of these gigs as a first year associate? didnt think they have SA programs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925935) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:35 PM Author: Contagious Temple Private Investor lateral. i traded up, from a solo's office, which i suppose counts as shitlaw. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925944) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:36 PM Author: fishy french chef know someone who got it after being UNEMPLOYED coming out of LS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925951) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:44 PM Author: dashing amethyst point most of the big boutiques have summer associate programs but not as huge.. they look for LE experience.. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22926004) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:42 PM Author: Stimulating Naked Principal's Office Hissy Fit I worked at a F500, before law school. Most of the L&E inhouse attorneys came from actual L&E firms. Then there was a separate group of "corporate" attorneys that worked on contracts and acquisitions and shit.
Big companies are constantly sued for employment issues. Essentially, any black, any female, minority, or person over 50 has a colorful claim when they are terminated. But it seemed like the L&E attorneys basically handled mundane FMLA, ADA, and some labor shit. They would be involved with the lawsuits, but it was mostly farmed out to firms.
These guys weren't doing super exciting shit, but they had pretty decent lives. Made mid 100s, got decent bonuses, and worked sane hours (no weekends for the most part). I got to know them because we regularly played golf together after work. |
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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:44 PM Author: Exhilarant voyeur this is why i wish i'd done L&E (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925997) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:45 PM Author: dashing amethyst point dont any lit ppl who go inhouse just farm out work to law firms? i think inhouse lit ppl just fuckin supervise and monitor outside firms who actually handle all the lit BS.. that is why inhouse is so awesome.. u dont have to do 100 page discovery requests and shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22926010) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:47 PM Author: Exhilarant voyeur that's what corp people do too (supervise outside counsel) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22926028) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2013 11:14 PM Author: Stimulating Naked Principal's Office Hissy Fit Yes, they farmed out all trial work. The VP of the group (older attorney) supervised the trials. Seemed like the normal attorneys just monitored.
Day to day they handled LOTS of advisory stuff. Example: giving guidance to some redneck manager in Alabama to not retaliate against a lady with a disability (bullshit back injury). If a labor contract was up for negotiation, they would fly out and do that shit. If we needed to fire a union worker for missing work for the 10000th time, they'd pull out the CBA and give guidance.
Looking back and knowing what I know now, they really weren't doing any lawyerly shit you would do in a firm in terms of motion practice, etc.
BUT, they were "Legal." In-house prolish drones in the Corporate gave them mad respect. And instead of any random partner busting their balls/destroying their weekend, they just had one boss, like any other big company. |
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Date: August 21st, 2017 9:37 AM Author: Charcoal Pit Mad-dog Skullcap At my megacrop, if the potential liability crosses a certain monetary threshold or has some particular penalty (like a loss of license, etc) then it'll get farmed out. The lit attorney then essentially oversees it acting as the middle person between the business and outside counsel.
There are times when a matter doesn't meet the criteria for going to outside counsel, so then they get more heavily involved. Analyzing the issue to see whether the other side has a valid claim/dispute, and whether we should just pay now, negotiate the claim, or flat out reject.
They also get involved before there is a dispute when you know one is going to happen (either someone fucked up or we're about to deliver some really bad news to a counterparty, etc). We'll generally give them some background, and they may give us some guidance as to how to do it or that they may want to be on the call, etc. |
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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:46 PM Author: fishy french chef why do firms even bother hiring minorities; seems like costs are too high (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22926017) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:45 PM Author: Boyish hall rigpig just do exit to regular "biglaw"
(Jill Filapovic) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2013 12:41 PM Author: beady-eyed sepia internal respiration i was looking at jackson lewis and littler. seems like they had a lot of F100 clients and people who left went in-house a lot into the clients.
i hate littler, btw. they're all from ttts and were super hostile toward me. jackson lewis had really nice folks. |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 3:04 PM Author: Contagious Temple Private Investor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#36132135) |
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Date: August 21st, 2017 9:28 AM Author: electric range (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#34036260) |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 3:10 PM Author: Underhanded Shrine Associate State? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#36132168) |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 3:11 PM Author: soggy trailer park If you do L&E, just chop your balls off. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#36132175) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2018 5:57 AM Author: Flesh Toilet Seat Psychic coke and trannies, apparently (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#36661234) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2018 7:00 AM Author: Contagious Temple Private Investor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#36661346) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2018 7:03 AM Author: bright adventurous boltzmann (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#36661350) |