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Date: August 7th, 2005 11:29 PM Author: Costumed Dark Lettuce
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=235061&forum_id=2#3526101) |
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Date: August 7th, 2005 11:31 PM Author: Slate wonderful rigpig gaping
Why do you think that Harvard rejected you?
EDIT: Did Harvard reject you?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=235061&forum_id=2#3526132) |
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Date: August 7th, 2005 11:32 PM Author: Comical cruise ship
This is perhaps the dumbest post this evening.
Congrats.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=235061&forum_id=2#3526142) |
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Date: August 7th, 2005 11:39 PM Author: Comical cruise ship
Who are you - sarcasm police?
Beat it copper.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=235061&forum_id=2#3526229) |
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Date: August 7th, 2005 11:32 PM Author: french church building useless brakes
I have a question.
Ah, which do you think is more important? Hard work, or stick-to-it-iveness?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=235061&forum_id=2#3526143) |
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Date: August 7th, 2005 11:38 PM Author: Umber splenetic office persian
how does the clerkship race work without grades? does it really come down to "who can get guido's rec letter"? does ylj matter?
also, what do people tend to do when they finish clerking - nyc/dc biglaw or do they actually do other things?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=235061&forum_id=2#3526217) |
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Date: August 7th, 2005 11:40 PM Author: Cerebral love of her life stage
"does ylj matter?"
Uh, yes.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=235061&forum_id=2#3526252) |
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Date: August 7th, 2005 11:41 PM Author: Costumed Dark Lettuce
Grades still matter for clerkships (and for 2L hiring as well), it's just that they matter less than at other schools. The most competitive judges, I understand, have certain grade cut-offs (e.g., you can only have 2 or 3 P's). Since grades matter less, everything else matters more, including rec letters, journal(s), and publications.
After clerking I think most people spend a few years in biglaw, though some go straight to public interest. I think there are some states on the Career Development website on that.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=235061&forum_id=2#3526271) |
Date: August 7th, 2005 11:39 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle Old Irish Cottage
Have you found that many of your classmates have pursued graduate studies abroad (D.Phil, terminal masters, and the like) before attending Yale?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=235061&forum_id=2#3526233) |
Date: August 7th, 2005 11:51 PM Author: Multi-colored coffee pot home
YLS looks like a pretty good place to spend three years. Are you generally enthusiastic about your experience so far? Any regrets not choosing, say, H or S?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=235061&forum_id=2#3526394) |
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Date: August 7th, 2005 11:59 PM Author: french church building useless brakes
See thread title.
HTH
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=235061&forum_id=2#3526514) |
Date: August 7th, 2005 11:54 PM Author: Nubile Snowy Party Of The First Part Kitty Cat Subject: Transfers Into Yale
In light of the fact that Yale does not give 'grades', i'd appreciate your input on whether or not the following would be viewed as the ideal Yale Law School graduate:
Student A attends a top 10 law school for 1L and ends up in top 5%. A applies for transfer and is accepted to Yale for 2L and 3L.
I'm guessing that A is sort of an optimal Yale graduate. Unlike other Yale graduates, A has proven to be a top quality student during rigorous 1L and has done so at a respectable school. Further, A benefits during 2L and 3L from whatever the magic mojo is at Yale that makes it so renowned.
Questions:
Are Yale 1Ls intimidated by such transfers since these transfers are 'battle tested' in a way they haven't been and never will be?
Do you think the outside hiring world would look at such a graduate as the best of both worlds - reliably battle tested and oozing in Yale prestige?
Such isn't the destiny for me, but i've always wondered about those Yale transfers. Seems like they have the best of both worlds.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=235061&forum_id=2#3526449) |
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Date: August 8th, 2005 12:01 AM Author: Costumed Dark Lettuce
1) I know a few of these transfers and I don't think anyone feels intimidated by them. I think everyone at school feels pretty confident in their academic ability, even if they haven't been tested specifically in law school. Conversely, I don't think these transfers feel intimidated either. It's really amazing how little thought there is about how you compare with everyone else. That kind of stuff just doesn't really happen. It happened a little during hiring last fall, and I imagine it'll happen a little with clerkships next month, but beyond that it's not on most people's radar.
2) I tend to think that such a graduate probably does have an advantage, particularly during 2L hiring, since the regular Yalies only have 1 semester's worth of grades, and are thus more of a risk. I don't think being battle-tested is viewed as adding anything in and of itself to a candidate's desirability, as though the person has been transformed in some way. I think it's just an indicator of their academic ability, and thus one more guarantee that they'll be a reliable hire.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=235061&forum_id=2#3526542)
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Date: August 8th, 2005 12:07 AM Author: Nubile Snowy Party Of The First Part Kitty Cat Subject: thanks. one more
thanks for the answer. one last question i've always wondered about. on the hiring front, who would have the edge:
A: Been at Yale all 3 years. Good grades and on YLJ.
B: Was top of his class (i.e. #1) after 1L at a top 10 school. Transferred into Yale and continued to make very good grades but during all the transferring process missed the boat on YLJ.
thanks.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=235061&forum_id=2#3526593) |
Date: August 7th, 2005 11:58 PM Author: mewling giraffe center
What do people think of Killuminati?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=235061&forum_id=2#3526494) |
Date: August 8th, 2005 12:01 AM Author: Cocky Therapy
Any tips for the first semester?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=235061&forum_id=2#3526537) |
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Date: August 8th, 2005 12:06 AM Author: Costumed Dark Lettuce
Lots. Main thing: don't stress out. There's really nothing to stress about. You'll probably find you really like one or two of your profs. My advice would be to work hard in those one or two classes and get to know them a bit. There's absolutely no doubt that you'll pass all 4 classes, so focus on the ones you're most interested in.
Yale Journal on Regulation is probably the easiest secondary journal to work for, in terms of time commitment, if you're interested in doing a journal.
Go to all your Lexis/Westlaw training sessions.
Good luck man; you're going to love it.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=235061&forum_id=2#3526584) |
Date: August 8th, 2005 12:09 AM Author: Dashing Dull Pervert
Do YLS students interact much with other yale students?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=235061&forum_id=2#3526625) |
Date: August 8th, 2005 12:15 AM Author: Razzle-dazzle Old Irish Cottage
were you HYP u-grad?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=235061&forum_id=2#3526688) |
Date: August 8th, 2005 12:26 AM Author: Tantric Sandwich House
Do you eat in the LS dining hall? If so, we've probably seen each other a lot. :-) I eat there pretty much everyday... I love the double 5 ounce burgers!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=235061&forum_id=2#3526826) |
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Date: August 8th, 2005 12:37 AM Author: Costumed Dark Lettuce
Didn't know that.
So why are you on this board - are you thinking of law school?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=235061&forum_id=2#3526969) |
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Date: August 8th, 2005 12:40 PM Author: Slippery parlor antidepressant drug
Don't forget eli breakfast sandwich!!!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=235061&forum_id=2#3529626)
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Date: August 8th, 2005 1:14 AM Author: Costumed Dark Lettuce
Haven't heard of it but it sounds cool.
All my ECs are at the law school so I haven't met a lot of undergrads.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=235061&forum_id=2#3527268) |
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Date: August 8th, 2005 1:26 AM Author: Costumed Dark Lettuce
They're usually at apartments/houses, but sometimes at bars. And they're typically open to the whole law school, you just have to know about it, and it's hard not to. People bring friends from other schools and it wouldn't be weird for undergrads to show up I don't think. Believe it or not, grad guys like undergrad girls! The parties are usually pretty fun without being frat party crazy.
I like Bar a lot, too, and Richter's.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=235061&forum_id=2#3527383) |
Date: August 8th, 2005 12:40 AM Author: Provocative cowardly theater becky
How would you describe the student body politically? Are there a lot of radicals/progressives? Are people really involved in their issues?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=235061&forum_id=2#3527015) |
Date: August 8th, 2005 12:57 AM Author: Razzle-dazzle Old Irish Cottage
how have your H-Y game experiences been?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=235061&forum_id=2#3527151) |
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Date: August 8th, 2005 1:04 AM Author: Costumed Dark Lettuce
I've only gone once and it was okay. It's basically a huge tailgate, which, if you've gone to a big university, is a weekly thing that's fun but nothing to write home about, but if you go to Harvard or Yale, is a major event. It's really the biggest non-rival rivalry there is - bunch of Harvard and Yale kids mingling and drinking. There's a sense of animosity, but there's also a distinct sense of comraderie, of, "We're Harvard and Yale, and we're the shit." The rivalry is really about arguing who the bigger shit is.
Apologies, Blue Smoke, if I've offended you. But that's my non-Ivy impression.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=235061&forum_id=2#3527193) |
Date: August 8th, 2005 1:08 AM Author: cobalt shrine filthpig
What's the most convienent bank to have an account with?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=235061&forum_id=2#3527218) |
Date: August 8th, 2005 1:09 AM Author: cobalt shrine filthpig
Out of your year, how many totally snobby douches are there?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=235061&forum_id=2#3527229) |
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Date: August 8th, 2005 1:15 AM Author: cobalt shrine filthpig
Yeah...it's one of my big concerns.
It'll be odd to go from a town where I've built a big social network to a New England town where I don't know a soul.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=235061&forum_id=2#3527278) |
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Date: August 8th, 2005 1:32 AM Author: cobalt shrine filthpig
Heeh. Fair enough.
I'm actually not that bad of a guy, was in a bit of a funk during admit weekend.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=235061&forum_id=2#3527446) |
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Date: August 8th, 2005 1:39 AM Author: cobalt shrine filthpig
Hmmm...yeah, probably not all that likely.
I'm kinda excited about meeting everybody in a few weeks. Pretty much everybody I've met so far seemed pretty cool...and apparently i don't have to worry about being surrounded by a bunch of pompous jerks.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=235061&forum_id=2#3527541) |
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Date: August 8th, 2005 1:37 AM Author: Cocky Therapy
"was in a bit of a funk during admit weekend."
Inner turmoil over Stanford v. Yale?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=235061&forum_id=2#3527503) |
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Date: August 8th, 2005 1:42 AM Author: cobalt shrine filthpig
Yeah. Had felt quite set to go to S, so when i went I had to put effort into giving it a legit chance. And then, when I liked it more, had to say adios to my California dreamin'...
Also it's just weird to be going through this all again. Freshman year was a long time ago.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=235061&forum_id=2#3527577) |
Date: August 8th, 2005 1:16 AM Author: Nubile Snowy Party Of The First Part Kitty Cat Subject: author lady
Do you know of the author lady who goes to Yale? Wrote some book about Americans taking lots of psychiatric drugs, or something like that? Is she the Yale version of a "rock star" on campus? Any other famous "rock star" types?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=235061&forum_id=2#3527292) |
Date: August 8th, 2005 1:28 AM Author: Nubile Snowy Party Of The First Part Kitty Cat
Back on the transfer issue, i'd imagine that the #1 1L student from each law school ranked 6-10 transfers into yale as a 2L. True? Each year, is it like: "yep, there's the Chicago top dog, the NYU top dog, the Penn top dog, etc.". Does it happen like that and, if so, is each known around campus as such?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=235061&forum_id=2#3527402) |
Date: August 8th, 2005 1:36 AM Author: Nubile Snowy Party Of The First Part Kitty Cat
Do you know what the magic mojo is at Yale that makes it so renowned and purportedly unparralelled? Is there really some magic mojo, or when you get there do you find that the magic mojo stuff is just a ruse and, while it's a darn good school, there's no secret inner sanctum of cosmic knowledge?
EDIT: obviously, i'm being a little silly, but still serious.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=235061&forum_id=2#3527496) |
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Date: August 8th, 2005 1:54 AM Author: Costumed Dark Lettuce
I know what you're getting at. There's definitely no inner sanctum of knowledge. We don't come away knowing special things you can only get at Yale. And it's the only law school I've been to, so it's hard for me to compare it with others. But from talking with my friends, I think what really distinguishes Yale is the freedom with which the law is pursued there. Few grades, few required courses, ability to do journals right away, little worry about jobs - all these things allow students to just focus on what they're interested in. And I think when you do that, when you have that sense of freedom, things happen. I'm certain that students at every school experience this, even if they don't have each of those things I mentioned above. But I haven't talked to anyone from a school where that's the dominant experience at the school. I guess if I had to boil the Yale experience down to one thing, it'd be that sense of freedom.
I'm heading to bed. It's been fun chatting with everyone -
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=235061&forum_id=2#3527687) |
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Date: August 8th, 2005 2:03 AM Author: Nubile Snowy Party Of The First Part Kitty Cat
i thought your answer might be like that. what is there to "sit around and think about"? Don't get me wrong, i'm all for sitting around in monk-like search for truth. In fact, i can see how a program in physics or math or philosophy or english lit, etc., could be conducted like that. But is there really anything like that to do in the study of law? I mean, as soon as you start doing this free and unencumbered thinking, aren't you really stepping out of law, per se, and trapsing into political theory, philosophy, etc.? If that's the mental inclination to begin with, why don't the Yale law students just go pursue those disciplines directly instead?
I'm just not seeing how the "freedom to search for the truth" gig leads one to go to law school. Or is it more of a practical thing, like - "sure man, i wanna be all free thinking and all that cool stuff, but i don't want to be an unemployed phil phd for crying out loud!".? So, is a typical Yale law school student a "monk-like seeker of truth" who still likes to be flush with some cash and therefore chooses YLS as practical compromise?
btw - it's been fun listening to your answers.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=235061&forum_id=2#3527768) |
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Date: August 8th, 2005 2:09 AM Author: aphrodisiac hissy fit
"I'm just not seeing how the "freedom to search for the truth" gig leads one to go to law school. Or is it more of a practical thing, like - "sure man, i wanna be all free thinking and all that cool stuff, but i don't want to be an unemployed phil phd for crying out loud!".? So, is a typical Yale law school student a "monk-like seeker of truth" who still likes to be flush with some cash and therefore chooses YLS as practical compromise?"
What's it going to be Yalies? Law school or the PHD? Sack up.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=235061&forum_id=2#3527828) |
Date: August 8th, 2005 2:18 AM Author: Bat-shit-crazy ruddy pit
Do you know whether your classmates who came straight out of undergrad (and thus arent rhodes scholars etc..) have something "extra" that made them desirable for Yale or was it more likely a 4.0/180 kind of thing.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=235061&forum_id=2#3527894) |
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Date: August 9th, 2005 3:04 PM Author: heady topaz parlour
White or URM?
If URM, what kind?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=235061&forum_id=2#3541013) |
Date: August 8th, 2005 8:33 AM Author: Brilliant vigorous cumskin
Are there any ex-military in your class? Do you know of their experiences? Can you elaborate on them as people and the perceptions of them within the class? How much extra 'preference' are they given in admissions?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=235061&forum_id=2#3528373) |
Date: August 8th, 2005 10:39 AM Author: Excitant Field People Who Are Hurt
Can you list the top five things that have happened to you or that you have heard about that have made you feel inferior to the rest of the YLS student body?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=235061&forum_id=2#3528831) |
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Date: August 9th, 2005 1:43 AM Author: cobalt shrine filthpig
Hah. All of those things you listed are entirely inferior to my early-20s, middle american Joe Average-ness.
(in other words, I'm prepared to feel like I'm entirely lame/boring)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=235061&forum_id=2#3537713) |
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Date: August 9th, 2005 1:46 AM Author: Costumed Dark Lettuce
Nah, you'll be the novelty. ;-)
There are plenty of people without those accomplishments. Those kinds of things just stand out more so they probably seem more prevalent than they are. Don't get me wrong - there's a significant number of them. But you'll be right at home, and you won't have any problem staying with them in class.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=235061&forum_id=2#3537735) |
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Date: August 9th, 2005 9:07 AM Author: flirting twinkling tanning salon psychic
"Another is being considered for a tenure-track position with at least two of HYS."
My judge got a clerkship application from that guy. Pretty impressive.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=235061&forum_id=2#3538477) |
Date: August 9th, 2005 1:17 AM Author: Costumed Dark Lettuce
In regards to the "freedom to pursue the law" questions: I didn't necessarily mean that what distinguishes Yale is the theoretical pursuit of the good/truth/justice. I meant that students have the freedom to basically do what they want. If you want to be an IP lawyer, you can sort of blow off your other stuff and focus on those classes, volunteer to help some IP lawyers on a case, whatever you want to further your becoming an IP lawyer. If you're really interested in a certain journal; an advocacy group; a subject matter, or whatever, you can focus on it. And yes, if you want to focus on the theoretical pursuit of the good, go for it. The freedom I was referring to is equally amenable to all these pursuits.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=235061&forum_id=2#3537507) |
Date: August 9th, 2005 3:01 PM Author: Mentally impaired weed whacker
Can you explain the deal with "graded" versus "non-graded" classes? I keep getting mixed answers. Basically, I'm wondering, what's the maximum number of clinics/reading groups/etc. that you can do?
Also: what's the best $6 lunch within a short walk of the law school?
BTW, thanks for your candor -- very helpful.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=235061&forum_id=2#3540976) |
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Date: August 9th, 2005 6:12 PM Author: violent wrinkle
you can take as many clinics/etc. as you want, but I think you have to take at least 9 graded credits per term. there are also limits on how many ungraded/journal/etc. classes you can count toward the 82 credits required to graduate. i think the limit is 10 ungraded, no more than 5 of which can be journals or moot court.
the best $6 lunch is the burrito cart at the corner of york and elm. no contest.
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Date: August 9th, 2005 6:41 PM Author: federal purple main people
See, if you are placing the burrito guy over the likes of Louis', Modern, and the buffet at Royal India, this conversation is over.
The burrito guy is damn good, though. Even more so by comparison to all the other shitty Mexican food in New Haven. I think I heard he's connected to Roomba somehow.
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Date: August 9th, 2005 6:52 PM Author: federal purple main people
Yeah, the burgers are OK, but not outstanding. The chicken fingers and fries, on the other hand, are great.
If you are not careful, New Haven can make you really fat.
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Date: August 9th, 2005 6:57 PM Author: Cocky Therapy
"The chicken fingers and fries, on the other hand, are great."
Sounds right up my alley...especially if they have good honey mustard.
"If you are not careful, New Haven can make you really fat."
Hence Yale's "second-largest gym in the world."
What was the name of that good pastry place you mentioned before?
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