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Xo Clarence Thomas was right about faggots in citizens united

Which brings us back to Citizens United. It is known as a 5-...
180 Incel
  04/05/14
grr
Domesticated Khaki Boistinker Chapel
  04/05/21
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tripping hospital karate
  04/05/14
How many times do we have to be dead right before people sto...
aromatic coral range
  04/05/14
the GOP candidates all support letting the browns stay here ...
buff racy associate
  04/05/14
That's a policy argument though. If you can't require people...
Insane azure cruise ship
  04/05/14
Wtf? You can have the donations reported to the government f...
180 Incel
  04/05/14
Right, but there are reasons to want them to be made public....
Insane azure cruise ship
  04/05/14
Just do a balancing test, right? That's what you shitlibs do...
180 Incel
  04/05/14
I oppose the very idea of judicial review bro
Insane azure cruise ship
  04/05/14
reductio ad absurdums dont work against policy arguments, wh...
burgundy kitchen
  04/05/14
so you agree that his argument is worthless. good.
Insane azure cruise ship
  04/05/14
"That's a policy argument though. If you can't require ...
burgundy kitchen
  04/05/14
I am saying his argument makes no sense constitutionally and...
Insane azure cruise ship
  04/05/14
oh okay, so anonymous speech as a constitutional principle m...
180 Incel
  04/05/14
It makes no sense to say that the constitution forbids Congr...
Insane azure cruise ship
  04/05/14
youre so fucking out of your depth here it's ridiculous. sto...
180 Incel
  04/05/14
okay uncle TTThomas
Insane azure cruise ship
  04/05/14
(done here)
180 Incel
  04/05/14
very substantive argument you have there
Insane azure cruise ship
  04/05/14
you brought up TPM restrictions in the context of disclosure...
180 Incel
  04/05/14
I was making a broader point about the constitutionality of ...
Insane azure cruise ship
  04/05/14
youre a know nothing idiot who is repeatedly exposed as such...
180 Incel
  04/05/14
I suppose abstract comparisons are a bit above your pay grad...
Insane azure cruise ship
  04/05/14
i suppose you can call "inapposite comparisons that are...
180 Incel
  04/05/14
Tell me, does Congress have the right to regulate speech in ...
Insane azure cruise ship
  04/05/14
The koch brothers, he began, lisping
burgundy kitchen
  04/05/14
...
tripping hospital karate
  04/05/14
oops i mean "but sheldon adelson, he lisped." htt...
burgundy kitchen
  04/05/14
remember when you were in LS and ur professors talked about ...
Purple Theater Haunted Graveyard
  12/11/18
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Jade Spot
  12/11/18
I do remember that
Purple Theater Haunted Graveyard
  06/26/19
i remember that
Exciting Rehab
  06/26/19
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Purple Theater Haunted Graveyard
  06/29/20
this was extremely prescient btw
Purple Theater Haunted Graveyard
  06/29/20
Some jerkoff pumo hijacked the thread
drab office
  06/29/20


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Date: April 5th, 2014 12:47 PM
Author: 180 Incel

Which brings us back to Citizens United. It is known as a 5-4 decision, and most of it was, but one part of Justice Anthony Kennedy's opinion--upholding a provision requiring disclosure of political contributions--was for an 8-1 majority, with Justice Clarence Thomas dissenting alone.

Thomas's argument rested heavily on the facts of the Proposition 8 campaign, and it's worth quoting at length (we're omitting legal citations and shortening and adding links to news-media ones):

Some opponents of Proposition 8 compiled this information and created Web sites with maps showing the locations of homes or businesses of Proposition 8 supporters. Many supporters (or their customers) suffered property damage, or threats of physical violence or death, as a result. They cited these incidents in a complaint they filed after the 2008 election, seeking to invalidate California's mandatory disclosure laws. Supporters recounted being told: "Consider yourself lucky. If I had a gun I would have gunned you down along with each and every other supporter," or, "we have plans for you and your friends." Proposition 8 opponents also allegedly harassed the measure's supporters by defacing or damaging their property. Two religious organizations supporting Proposition 8 reportedly received through the mail envelopes containing a white powdery substance.

Those accounts are consistent with media reports describing Proposition 8-related retaliation. The director of the nonprofit California Musical Theater gave $1,000 to support the initiative; he was forced to resign after artists complained to his employer. The director of the Los Angeles Film Festival was forced to resign after giving $1,500 because opponents threatened to boycott and picket the next festival. [John Lott and Bradley Smith, The Wall Street Journal] And a woman who had managed her popular, family-owned restaurant for 26 years was forced to resign after she gave $100, because "throngs of [angry] protesters" repeatedly arrived at the restaurant and "shout[ed] 'shame on you' at customers." [Steve Lopez, Los Angeles Times]. The police even had to "arriv[e] in riot gear one night to quell the angry mob" at the restaurant. Ibid. Some supporters of Proposition 8 engaged in similar tactics; one real estate businessman in San Diego who had donated to a group opposing Proposition 8 "received a letter from the Prop. 8 Executive Committee threatening to publish his company's name if he didn't also donate to the 'Yes on 8' campaign."

The success of such intimidation tactics has apparently spawned a cottage industry that uses forcibly disclosed donor information to pre-empt citizens' exercise of their First Amendment rights. Before the 2008 Presidential election, a "newly formed nonprofit group . . . plann[ed] to confront donors to conservative groups, hoping to create a chilling effect that will dry up contributions." Its leader, "who described his effort as 'going for the jugular,' " detailed the group's plan to send a "warning letter . . . alerting donors who might be considering giving to right-wing groups to a variety of potential dangers, including legal trouble, public exposure and watchdog groups digging through their lives." [New York Times news story]

These instances of retaliation sufficiently demonstrate why this Court should invalidate mandatory disclosure and reporting requirements. But amici [friends of the court] present evidence of yet another reason to do so--the threat of retaliation from elected officials. As amici's submissions make clear, this threat extends far beyond a single ballot proposition in California. For example, a candidate challenging an incumbent state attorney general [in West Virginia] reported that some members of the State's business community feared donating to his campaign because they did not want to cross the incumbent; in his words, " 'I go to so many people and hear the same thing: "I sure hope you beat [the incumbent], but I can't afford to have my name on your records. He might come after me next." ' " [Kim Strassel, The Wall Street Journal]



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2536146&forum_id=2#25328404)



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Date: April 5th, 2021 10:42 PM
Author: Domesticated Khaki Boistinker Chapel

grr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2536146&forum_id=2#42228301)



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Date: April 5th, 2014 12:51 PM
Author: tripping hospital karate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2536146&forum_id=2#25328437)



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Date: April 5th, 2014 12:55 PM
Author: aromatic coral range

How many times do we have to be dead right before people stop this insanity and start listening?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2536146&forum_id=2#25328461)



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Date: April 5th, 2014 12:57 PM
Author: buff racy associate

the GOP candidates all support letting the browns stay here and continue to vote democrat; there is no hope

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2536146&forum_id=2#25328478)



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Date: April 5th, 2014 12:59 PM
Author: Insane azure cruise ship

That's a policy argument though. If you can't require people to disclose political donations, and donations are "speech", then how can you regulate any form of broadcasting even when the regulations are content neutral?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2536146&forum_id=2#25328497)



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Date: April 5th, 2014 1:04 PM
Author: 180 Incel

Wtf? You can have the donations reported to the government for regulatory purposes but keep them from being public ally disclosed so every whack job gay mafia group can start harassing people.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2536146&forum_id=2#25328540)



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Date: April 5th, 2014 1:08 PM
Author: Insane azure cruise ship

Right, but there are reasons to want them to be made public. You might want to make it possible for voters to know if a candidate has ties to someone like Sheldon Adelson for example. It seems like a real stretch to say regulations of that sort of are unconstitutional and should be struck down even if you agree with them. I don't think they can be distinguished from other kinds of regulation in any kind of meaningful and non ad-hoc way.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2536146&forum_id=2#25328565)



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Date: April 5th, 2014 1:10 PM
Author: 180 Incel

Just do a balancing test, right? That's what you shitlibs do to make shit up in situations like this,

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2536146&forum_id=2#25328581)



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Date: April 5th, 2014 1:27 PM
Author: Insane azure cruise ship

I oppose the very idea of judicial review bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2536146&forum_id=2#25328750)



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Date: April 5th, 2014 1:07 PM
Author: burgundy kitchen

reductio ad absurdums dont work against policy arguments, which you acknowledge this is

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2536146&forum_id=2#25328557)



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Date: April 5th, 2014 1:09 PM
Author: Insane azure cruise ship

so you agree that his argument is worthless. good.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2536146&forum_id=2#25328569)



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Date: April 5th, 2014 1:13 PM
Author: burgundy kitchen

"That's a policy argument though. If you can't require people to disclose political donations, and donations are "speech", then how can you regulate any form of broadcasting even when the regulations are content neutral?"

um you can depending on the circumstances because the policy considerations may be different?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2536146&forum_id=2#25328615)



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Date: April 5th, 2014 1:25 PM
Author: Insane azure cruise ship

I am saying his argument makes no sense constitutionally and shouldn't be used to strike down disclosure regulations because adopting it as a constitutional principle makes no sense.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2536146&forum_id=2#25328737)



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Date: April 5th, 2014 1:26 PM
Author: 180 Incel

oh okay, so anonymous speech as a constitutional principle makes no sense? you sound like a real constitutional scholar. your IQ was tested at 137, right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2536146&forum_id=2#25328747)



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Date: April 5th, 2014 1:29 PM
Author: Insane azure cruise ship

It makes no sense to say that the constitution forbids Congress from regulating speech in a content neutral way. While the court has struck down restrictions on content they have repeatedly upheld the constitutionality of time, place, and manner restrictions.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2536146&forum_id=2#25328766)



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Date: April 5th, 2014 1:30 PM
Author: 180 Incel

youre so fucking out of your depth here it's ridiculous. stop just saying bullshit you retard.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2536146&forum_id=2#25328780)



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Date: April 5th, 2014 1:31 PM
Author: Insane azure cruise ship

okay uncle TTThomas

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2536146&forum_id=2#25328783)



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Date: April 5th, 2014 1:33 PM
Author: 180 Incel

(done here)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2536146&forum_id=2#25328811)



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Date: April 5th, 2014 1:34 PM
Author: Insane azure cruise ship

very substantive argument you have there

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2536146&forum_id=2#25328818)



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Date: April 5th, 2014 1:36 PM
Author: 180 Incel

you brought up TPM restrictions in the context of disclosure of anonymous political speech. youre a fucking retard.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2536146&forum_id=2#25328827)



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Date: April 5th, 2014 1:37 PM
Author: Insane azure cruise ship

I was making a broader point about the constitutionality of content neutral regulations on speech, but okay bro.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2536146&forum_id=2#25328837)



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Date: April 5th, 2014 1:39 PM
Author: 180 Incel

youre a know nothing idiot who is repeatedly exposed as such. hth retard.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2536146&forum_id=2#25328839)



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Date: April 5th, 2014 1:39 PM
Author: Insane azure cruise ship

I suppose abstract comparisons are a bit above your pay grade

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2536146&forum_id=2#25328840)



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Date: April 5th, 2014 1:41 PM
Author: 180 Incel

i suppose you can call "inapposite comparisons that are completely incorrect as a doctrinal matter and the ravings of a blithering know-nothing retard" "abstract comparisons" to hide the embarassment a bit but it wont work moron.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2536146&forum_id=2#25328850)



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Date: April 5th, 2014 1:42 PM
Author: Insane azure cruise ship

Tell me, does Congress have the right to regulate speech in a content neutral way?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2536146&forum_id=2#25328855)



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Date: April 5th, 2014 1:07 PM
Author: burgundy kitchen

The koch brothers, he began, lisping

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2536146&forum_id=2#25328560)



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Date: April 5th, 2014 1:11 PM
Author: tripping hospital karate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2536146&forum_id=2#25328587)



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Date: April 5th, 2014 1:11 PM
Author: burgundy kitchen

oops i mean "but sheldon adelson, he lisped."

http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2536146&forum_id=2#25328565

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2536146&forum_id=2#25328590)



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Date: December 11th, 2018 10:11 AM
Author: Purple Theater Haunted Graveyard

remember when you were in LS and ur professors talked about xo Clarence as an "intellectual lightweight"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2536146&forum_id=2#37388320)



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Date: December 11th, 2018 10:13 AM
Author: Jade Spot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2536146&forum_id=2#37388335)



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Date: June 26th, 2019 10:40 AM
Author: Purple Theater Haunted Graveyard

I do remember that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2536146&forum_id=2#38442386)



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Date: June 26th, 2019 10:44 AM
Author: Exciting Rehab

i remember that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2536146&forum_id=2#38442409)



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Date: June 29th, 2020 12:54 PM
Author: Purple Theater Haunted Graveyard



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2536146&forum_id=2#40515724)



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Date: June 29th, 2020 12:55 PM
Author: Purple Theater Haunted Graveyard

this was extremely prescient btw

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2536146&forum_id=2#40515731)



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Date: June 29th, 2020 1:18 PM
Author: drab office

Some jerkoff pumo hijacked the thread

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2536146&forum_id=2#40515910)