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How much do IP partners at small boutique make?
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 10:24 PM Author: cerebral kitty cat About 4-5 attorneys, 1-2 of counsel, 3 associates? Talking Atlanta. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575012) |
Date: October 23rd, 2014 10:25 PM Author: Silver wagecucks senate pros? proly in the low 300s (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575015) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 10:27 PM Author: cerebral kitty cat pros indeed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575036) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 10:27 PM Author: cerebral kitty cat I was thinking more around 200-250K. No? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575038) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 10:28 PM Author: Glassy university that seems low. i worked for a solo traditional labor lawyer a few years ago. his practice was kinda winding down and we weren't drowning in work, and his revenues were around 700k/year. he must have been keeping over 400 of that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575049) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 10:29 PM Author: cerebral kitty cat But you realize that is not typical right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575051) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 10:31 PM Author: Glassy university will you fuck my ass? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575073) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 10:32 PM Author: cerebral kitty cat Ok, so flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575083) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 10:36 PM Author: Glassy university it was true, bro. i do recognize that it is unusual, and would like you to pound my ass.
still, 250 for a partner at a boutique seems low, especially IP shit. |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 10:37 PM Author: cerebral kitty cat Not necessarily.
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Law_Firm_Partner/Salary |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 10:39 PM Author: adventurous plum theater stage coldplay fan So why did you ask the fucking question if you're a MFE?
Also lol @ payscale |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 10:42 PM Author: cerebral kitty cat Just seems like people pulling numbers out of their butts. But then what else can there be? My mistake to begin with. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575155) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 10:40 PM Author: wine fanboi An experienced IP partner in the south can pretty easily bill $500+ an hour. If he bills 1650 hours a year and collects 85% of that, that's $700k in revenue a year. So they probably do pretty well for themselves. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575136) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 10:49 PM Author: Contagious bat shit crazy prole rehab except most CS/EE prosecution is capped budget these days, so can bill a billion/hr and still only collect 5-7K for an application. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575211) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 10:51 PM Author: cerebral kitty cat My thoughts were anywhere from 200-250-~300K. Sound crazy to you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575219) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 10:52 PM Author: Cracking hall Yes this is doable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575233) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 10:53 PM Author: cerebral kitty cat Which part of the range is it more likely to fall on? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575238) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 10:55 PM Author: Cracking hall For support partners without books, 200. The partners with their own clients could be making 300-400. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575255) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 10:57 PM Author: cerebral kitty cat So pretty close to an inhouse salary at a larger company then? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575270) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 10:59 PM Author: Cracking hall Sure if you're talking Google. I imagine a lot of inhouse positions are paying more like 150. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575288) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 11:00 PM Author: cerebral kitty cat In my market inhouse as a mid level (~5-6) will net you about low 200s all in (larger company). 250K after 8-9 years of total experience. 300K+ when you are a "senior" counsel. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575294) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 10:54 PM Author: Contagious bat shit crazy prole rehab sounds reasonable for a very small shop with a steady flow of work. I think you can make more as you leverage and hire more agents/juniors to do work for you. I am guessing for large IP boutiques (i.e., > 10), partners can make closer to 400-500K, maybe more at bigger places. But you aren't going to 1mil+ unless you are doing litigation or work for a very large firm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575243) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 10:55 PM Author: cerebral kitty cat Well consider the leverage ratio based on 4 partners, 2 counsel, 3 associates? I am guessing it is more likely in the 200-250 range. Or not much better than going inhouse. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575254) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 10:58 PM Author: Contagious bat shit crazy prole rehab depends on the in-house. IP in-house in Cali pays 200+ easily, but around DC area and east coast it's super-competitive because there aren't too many tech companies and so the salaries are deflated to 150-170 base (assuming you can even get a job). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575283) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 11:00 PM Author: Cracking hall Yeah basically unless you are willing to live in the Silicon Valley sausage fest, you are usually looking at < 200. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575300) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 11:03 PM Author: cerebral kitty cat Man IP inhouse compensation sounds like the inverse of law firm compensation. That is, there is a premium in law firms and a decided lack thereof at the inhouse level. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575317) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 11:05 PM Author: Contagious bat shit crazy prole rehab premium in law firms? Since when? This isn't 2000. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575330) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 11:06 PM Author: cerebral kitty cat I am out the loop brother. Last I checked IP associates in secondary markets were pulling a premium over other associates. Maybe times changed post 2009. I will concede the point if so. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575342) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 10:58 PM Author: Cracking hall Agents are key. Just gotta get them to the point where their work isn't so bad that it pisses off your clients. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575279) |
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Date: October 24th, 2014 10:13 AM Author: wine fanboi Oh. Yeah, I clearly don't know what I'm talking about. Thanks for the info. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26576961) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 10:52 PM Author: Cracking hall Good luck billing that unless you are bringing in enough work and have enough people below you to be a full time reviewer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575228) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2014 2:14 AM Author: Stubborn chrome boistinker ape (retard) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26840630) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 10:53 PM Author: Cracking hall Probably 200K (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575237) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 11:00 PM Author: cerebral kitty cat So really about 200-250K then all said and done? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575302) |
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Date: April 20th, 2016 11:34 PM Author: drab kink-friendly giraffe This is just wrong wrong wrong. You have no credibility (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#30315849) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 11:09 PM Author: Odious point psychic very hard to pull more than 250 unless they work like insane dogs and for whatever reason can get around billing caps. especially in the pricing rat race of a major metro with a billion IP dudes cannibalizing each other.
anyone claiming more than that ITT is just trying to rile you up. |
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Date: October 24th, 2014 3:19 AM Author: Nudist spot foreskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26576288) |
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Date: October 24th, 2014 3:21 AM Author: Nudist spot foreskin I'm in IP. EE/CS. For OP's setting? 200-300K. For elite boutiques at SV? Partners make 1 mill +. cop dat STEM. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26576294) |
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Date: December 1st, 2014 4:54 PM Author: cerebral kitty cat So more concrete data. 4 partners, 2 counsel and about 5 or 6 associates and examiners. How much would a partner make? Pure pros shop. No litigation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26836916) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2014 12:59 AM Author: white thriller laser beams theatre 250k pros is a fickle bitch nowadays. Especially for the small shop. Even the big companies are looking for deals - ~40hrs of work at 5-7k fees. no one breaks even with that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26840159) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2014 7:14 PM Author: motley bbw Might as well do automobile insurance defense for Geico. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26844265) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2014 2:16 AM Author: Stubborn chrome boistinker ape calling firms "shops" automatically disqualifies you from all nonfaggotry. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26840646) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2014 1:22 PM Author: exciting church building I don't think this board has a good idea of IP salaries. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26842300) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2014 7:05 PM Author: cerebral kitty cat What do you think then? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26844224) |
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Date: April 15th, 2016 7:39 PM Author: drab kink-friendly giraffe This is bs. For OP's situation you are looking at 300-400k. People posting itt don't know what they are talking about (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#30282284) |
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Date: April 15th, 2016 7:41 PM Author: Cracking hall OK show your work for how you leverage 3-4 associates to make 300-400k. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#30282295) |
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Date: April 19th, 2016 3:29 AM Author: Bright Cruise Ship Associates billing 1800 at 275 per hour, collecting 1500 =412,500 each. Each partner billing 1500 and collecting 1,250 at 350-500/hr. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#30302440) |
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Date: April 20th, 2016 7:06 PM Author: drab kink-friendly giraffe Owned? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#30313738) |
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Date: April 20th, 2016 7:12 PM Author: Cracking hall You aren't making all that much off associates based on those numbers. Maybe 100-150K per associate, divided among the partners. I also doubt many of these firms "collect" 500K per partner as suggested. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#30313801) |
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Date: April 20th, 2016 9:33 PM Author: Bright Cruise Ship Small firms with 4 associates and two partners don't eat 300k per associate on rent and salary.
They also don't tolerate attorneys, partners included, who don't bill. If they do they die.
The numbers I showed are not a stretch and are realistic for a small boutique.
You asked for how to leverage a few associates to make 300k-400k per partner? That's how. Get clients that pay and it works. |
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Date: April 20th, 2016 9:37 PM Author: Cracking hall It's pretty hard to get a decent IP associate for less than 200K + 75K overhead.
I don't think your typical IP firm with 2 partners / 4 associates is getting clients that are paying partners $500K a year in billables. The budget pressure in prosecution is tremendous, unless those partners are literal machines that can churn out work product like robots. |
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Date: April 20th, 2016 11:33 PM Author: drab kink-friendly giraffe Just give up bro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#30315842) |