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Supreme Court Limits Drug-Sniffing Dog Use in Traffic Stops

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/22/us/supreme-court-limits-dr...
Orange death wish school cafeteria
  04/21/15
180 I'm gonna start dealing
Slippery House-broken Pisswyrm Bawdyhouse
  04/21/15
Scalia and Roberts being scumbag pieces of shit.
Mentally Impaired Citrine Bbw Whorehouse
  04/21/15
"Justice Clarence Thomas dissented..." OH THERE...
Mauve medicated volcanic crater station
  04/21/15
How will scumcops respond?
Orange death wish school cafeteria
  04/21/15
wasnt this already settled?
mint heaven mother
  04/21/15
Hard-hitting questions the clerks should have asked before r...
Orange death wish school cafeteria
  04/21/15
this smartass response motivated me to read the case. I was ...
mint heaven mother
  04/21/15
WTF kind of holding is that from the 8th Circus? I thought a...
Bateful green public bath windowlicker
  04/21/15
agree that the 8th circuit holding was bullshit, but there a...
mint heaven mother
  04/21/15
By good faith I was meaning they got a warrant for one type ...
Bateful green public bath windowlicker
  04/21/15
i think the famous case is where they search the wrong house...
mint heaven mother
  04/21/15
yea it was the wrong apartment like the dude was next door t...
canary odious library macaca
  04/21/15
The theory behind those cases is we are trying to prevent ba...
chest-beating step-uncle's house
  04/22/15
http://i.imgur.com/b8lmBTQ.jpg "this smartass resp...
Orange death wish school cafeteria
  04/21/15
cq
big overrated tanning salon
  04/21/15
hasn't this been around for a while
canary odious library macaca
  04/21/15
No. the standard used to be "unreasonable delay" o...
Histrionic azure trump supporter
  04/21/15
The fact pattern from the old case involved a cop who prolon...
big overrated tanning salon
  04/21/15
yea I am not reading the opinion but just explain to me brie...
canary odious library macaca
  04/21/15
It's some faggot shit about cops running additional investig...
big overrated tanning salon
  04/21/15
In this one the guy was pulled over for driving on the shoul...
Cocky gaping idea he suggested
  04/21/15
not sure what was so novel that the s. ct. took this -- seem...
canary odious library macaca
  04/21/15
8th circuit had held that de minimis delays might technicall...
mint heaven mother
  04/21/15
so pretty much if you do not have the k9 in the car then you...
canary odious library macaca
  04/21/15
no, cause sometimes they can get there fast enough so that t...
mint heaven mother
  04/21/15
lol with the way the media and s. ct. act they are going to ...
canary odious library macaca
  04/21/15
tcq
nighttime dashing base giraffe
  04/21/15
http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/14pdf/13-9972_p8k0.pdf
Orange death wish school cafeteria
  04/21/15
xo SCOTUS
arousing primrose set mad cow disease
  04/21/15
time to invest in dog breeders/trainers, now every pig is go...
laughsome property pervert
  04/21/15
Nah, all recreational drugs are going to be legal in the nex...
Cocky gaping idea he suggested
  04/21/15
I don't think that generally works. How can the cop be exped...
Orange death wish school cafeteria
  04/22/15
Orin Kerr post: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-co...
Orange death wish school cafeteria
  04/22/15
Good, now can we overturn United States v. Leon next, thx SC...
arousing primrose set mad cow disease
  04/22/15


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Date: April 21st, 2015 2:45 PM
Author: Orange death wish school cafeteria

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/22/us/supreme-court-limits-drug-sniffing-dog-use-in-traffic-stops.html?_r=BaDdoG

WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Tuesday ruled that the police may not prolong traffic stops to wait for drug sniffing dogs to inspect vehicles.

“A police stop exceeding the time needed to handle the matter for which the stop was made violates the Constitution’s shield against unreasonable seizures,” Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg wrote for the majority. The vote was 6 to 3.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2860134&forum_id=2#27731081)



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Date: April 21st, 2015 2:47 PM
Author: Slippery House-broken Pisswyrm Bawdyhouse

180 I'm gonna start dealing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2860134&forum_id=2#27731097)



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Date: April 21st, 2015 2:47 PM
Author: Mentally Impaired Citrine Bbw Whorehouse

Scalia and Roberts being scumbag pieces of shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2860134&forum_id=2#27731099)



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Date: April 21st, 2015 2:47 PM
Author: Mauve medicated volcanic crater station

"Justice Clarence Thomas dissented..."

OH THERE'S A FUCKING SURPRISE

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2860134&forum_id=2#27731105)



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Date: April 21st, 2015 2:59 PM
Author: Orange death wish school cafeteria

How will scumcops respond?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2860134&forum_id=2#27731226)



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Date: April 21st, 2015 3:00 PM
Author: mint heaven mother

wasnt this already settled?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2860134&forum_id=2#27731235)



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Date: April 21st, 2015 3:01 PM
Author: Orange death wish school cafeteria

Hard-hitting questions the clerks should have asked before recommending cert.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2860134&forum_id=2#27731246)



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Date: April 21st, 2015 3:18 PM
Author: mint heaven mother

this smartass response motivated me to read the case. I was right, and unreasoable extensions of the detention to give the dog time to get there have been held to violate the 4a for a long time under the Caballes case.

at issue here was the 8th circuit's holding that de minimis violations of the 4a do not warrant suppression of evidence. the court held that the 8th circuit's rule ran afoul of caballes

in fact, in the first paragraph the court says its adhereing to Caballes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2860134&forum_id=2#27731368)



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Date: April 21st, 2015 3:26 PM
Author: Bateful green public bath windowlicker

WTF kind of holding is that from the 8th Circus? I thought any 4A violation was grounds to suppress. What use would it be if it wasn't absolute except in clearly defined cases as exigency and good faith?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2860134&forum_id=2#27731422)



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Date: April 21st, 2015 3:28 PM
Author: mint heaven mother

agree that the 8th circuit holding was bullshit, but there are other equally bs 4a doctrines. like if the cops make a good faith mistake--clear cut violation of the 4a, but i believe honest mistakes by the cops dont get evidence suppressed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2860134&forum_id=2#27731444)



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Date: April 21st, 2015 3:34 PM
Author: Bateful green public bath windowlicker

By good faith I was meaning they got a warrant for one type of contraband but only found another type when the warrant was executed: I.e. guns found during a search for cocaine can't be suppressed because they had PC and had a warrant.

Are there other good faith exceptions? (non-lolyer)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2860134&forum_id=2#27731492)



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Date: April 21st, 2015 3:38 PM
Author: mint heaven mother

i think the famous case is where they search the wrong house. i could be wrong, but i think in that case the shit they found in the wrongfully-searched house was allowed in.

if they have a good warrant to search for something and find other illegal shit thats not even a 4a violation at all. searching the wrong house as the result of a good faith fuck up is a 4a violation, but i dont believe it gets the evidence suppressed. however im trying to remember that from law school. would love to be proven wrong if thats no longer the case

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2860134&forum_id=2#27731514)



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Date: April 21st, 2015 3:59 PM
Author: canary odious library macaca

yea it was the wrong apartment like the dude was next door to the apartment. I remember that because I laughed my ass off at some poor shmuck gets his front door kicked in and is like wtf? gets arrested and the dude next door is furiously flushing the drugs away

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2860134&forum_id=2#27731650)



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Date: April 22nd, 2015 4:16 PM
Author: chest-beating step-uncle's house

The theory behind those cases is we are trying to prevent bad cops, not protect the privacy of criminals. So if you think the cops made an honest mistake, you aren't serving any purpose by leaving the evidence out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2860134&forum_id=2#27738222)



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Date: April 21st, 2015 4:58 PM
Author: Orange death wish school cafeteria

http://i.imgur.com/b8lmBTQ.jpg

"this smartass response motivated me to read the case."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2860134&forum_id=2#27732049)



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Date: April 21st, 2015 3:13 PM
Author: big overrated tanning salon

cq

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2860134&forum_id=2#27731325)



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Date: April 21st, 2015 3:00 PM
Author: canary odious library macaca

hasn't this been around for a while

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2860134&forum_id=2#27731237)



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Date: April 21st, 2015 3:02 PM
Author: Histrionic azure trump supporter

No. the standard used to be "unreasonable delay" or some shit like that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2860134&forum_id=2#27731248)



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Date: April 21st, 2015 3:11 PM
Author: big overrated tanning salon

The fact pattern from the old case involved a cop who prolonged the stop until the k9 unit showed up. How is this different?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2860134&forum_id=2#27731308)



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Date: April 21st, 2015 3:13 PM
Author: canary odious library macaca

yea I am not reading the opinion but just explain to me briefly how this is diff from the old standard that the stop cannot exceed the normal time a stop should take regarding what the basis for the stop was.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2860134&forum_id=2#27731323)



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Date: April 21st, 2015 3:18 PM
Author: big overrated tanning salon

It's some faggot shit about cops running additional investigations to run out the clock. Alito's analysis actually seems right but I get why the court wouldn't want to give its blessing to that sort of thing.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/04/22/us/supreme-court-limits-drug-sniffing-dog-use-in-traffic-stops.html?referrer=

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2860134&forum_id=2#27731364)



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Date: April 21st, 2015 3:19 PM
Author: Cocky gaping idea he suggested

In this one the guy was pulled over for driving on the shoulder. The cop issued him a written warning and after he gave it to him, he was like, oh, mind if I take my dog around your car? Dude said fuck off. Then, 7 minutes later, the cop did it anyway and the dog found drugs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2860134&forum_id=2#27731373)



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Date: April 21st, 2015 3:21 PM
Author: canary odious library macaca

not sure what was so novel that the s. ct. took this -- seems like it should be squashed under the normal previously established standard re: dog sniffing and length of stop

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2860134&forum_id=2#27731388)



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Date: April 21st, 2015 3:24 PM
Author: mint heaven mother

8th circuit had held that de minimis delays might technically run afoul of the 4a but do not warrant suppression. scotus says de minimis delays do warrant suppression.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2860134&forum_id=2#27731409)



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Date: April 21st, 2015 3:33 PM
Author: canary odious library macaca

so pretty much if you do not have the k9 in the car then you can never call it out?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2860134&forum_id=2#27731485)



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Date: April 21st, 2015 3:35 PM
Author: mint heaven mother

no, cause sometimes they can get there fast enough so that theyre there before the fuirst ciop is done with his shit. or sometimes the first cop's shit takes longer to do.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2860134&forum_id=2#27731504)



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Date: April 21st, 2015 3:58 PM
Author: canary odious library macaca

lol with the way the media and s. ct. act they are going to just est straight up timelines like a normal traffic stop takes 5:30 minutes. anything longer MY CIVIL RIGHTS!!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2860134&forum_id=2#27731645)



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Date: April 21st, 2015 3:13 PM
Author: nighttime dashing base giraffe

tcq

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2860134&forum_id=2#27731330)



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Date: April 21st, 2015 3:02 PM
Author: Orange death wish school cafeteria

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/14pdf/13-9972_p8k0.pdf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2860134&forum_id=2#27731252)



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Date: April 21st, 2015 3:19 PM
Author: arousing primrose set mad cow disease

xo SCOTUS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2860134&forum_id=2#27731372)



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Date: April 21st, 2015 3:41 PM
Author: laughsome property pervert

time to invest in dog breeders/trainers, now every pig is gonna have a dogdood in his car

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2860134&forum_id=2#27731533)



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Date: April 21st, 2015 3:42 PM
Author: Cocky gaping idea he suggested

Nah, all recreational drugs are going to be legal in the next 10 years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2860134&forum_id=2#27731543)



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Date: April 22nd, 2015 2:05 PM
Author: Orange death wish school cafeteria

I don't think that generally works. How can the cop be expeditiously attending to the safety-related purpose of the stop if he's fucking around outside his car with the dog?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2860134&forum_id=2#27737516)



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Date: April 22nd, 2015 2:03 PM
Author: Orange death wish school cafeteria

Orin Kerr post: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/04/21/police-cant-delay-traffic-stops-to-investigate-crimes-absent-suspicion-supreme-court-rules/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2860134&forum_id=2#27737503)



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Date: April 22nd, 2015 2:29 PM
Author: arousing primrose set mad cow disease

Good, now can we overturn United States v. Leon next, thx SCOTUS.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2860134&forum_id=2#27737625)