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Date: May 9th, 2015 8:31 AM Author: embarrassed to the bone cuckoldry http://www.salon.com/2015/05/02/they_turned_college_into_mcdonalds_adjunct_professors_fast_food_wages_and_how_colleges_screw_more_than_just_students/?utm_content=buffer6fbae&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
They also cited Matt Hoffmann, currently teaching one class at Loyola University Chicago and another at the Illinois Institute of Technology. His position is precarious, at best:
Hoffmann calculates he works about 30 hours a week, which translates to a pay of about $21 per hour. For that pay he said he invested eight years completing a master’s degree in environmental studies and a doctorate in sociology.
He has about $10,000 in credit card debt and receives an average of $200 to $300 a month from his parents to help him and his wife make ends meet and support their 16-month-old son.
“I’m 35 years old and still need some support from my parents,” Hoffmann said. |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 8:34 AM Author: laughsome canary office candlestick maker invested... in a doctorate in sociology.
How could this fail-proof plan ever go wrong? |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 8:36 AM Author: embarrassed to the bone cuckoldry hind-sight is 20/20… but remember, he started to invest in that degree pre-ITE (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853339) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:15 AM Author: laughsome canary office candlestick maker yep, pre-ITE was a legendary golden age of sociology careers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853421) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:38 AM Author: stimulating abusive tanning salon karate BIGSOC firms were all paying 160k (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853486) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:38 AM Author: embarrassed to the bone cuckoldry TITCR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853491) |
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Date: January 5th, 2019 8:42 AM Author: Excitant Pistol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#37531448) |
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Date: May 10th, 2015 12:13 AM Author: Rebellious floppy business firm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27858302) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 8:39 AM Author: ultramarine exciting forum maybe he should have studied something with practical value instead. zero sympathy for these people. almost anyone with an engineering degree who couldn't get a job in academia could easily find a regular job. the only reason he ended up in this situation is because sociology is a worthless field that only academia rewards. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853341) |
Date: May 9th, 2015 8:36 AM Author: Heady Pisswyrm so he's got a small child and he only works 30 hours a week. get a second job at Home Depot, you sack of shit. |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 8:36 AM Author: embarrassed to the bone cuckoldry he has a wife (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853340) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 10:02 AM Author: Appetizing immigrant cuck And you expect her to work you pig? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853594) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 8:40 AM Author: embarrassed to the bone cuckoldry "After taking out nearly $140,000 in student loans to pay for grad school, and after years of financial hardship deferments, accrued interest has brought these loans to over $190,000. And on an adjunct lecturer’s salary, even augmented with other side jobs, I can neither support my family nor pay my student loans. My wife and I cannot afford to raise a child on our combined income, so we have waited to raise a family. Now at the age of 43, it may be too late." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853342) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 8:44 AM Author: Heady Pisswyrm he should literally stage a fatal accident and leave the insurance money to his wife, with the instructions that she is then to remarry to a man capable of providing for her and her child. he failed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853345) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 10:02 AM Author: Bisexual vibrant location codepig (Man of honor) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853592) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 7:30 PM Author: white mind-boggling voyeur (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27856484) |
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Date: January 5th, 2019 1:17 AM Author: Heady Pisswyrm lol, i remembered posting this as soon as i read it still true |
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Date: January 5th, 2019 1:19 AM Author: ultramarine exciting forum (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#37530651) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 8:45 AM Author: embarrassed to the bone cuckoldry "Considering that students pay $565 per course, and that there are approximately 20 students per class, adjuncts are paid approximately 4% of what the university takes in even though we execute the core requirements of the university. As an open enrollment university with 86% Title IV students, dedicated adjuncts must provide extensive, time-consuming feedback frequently up to 20 hours per week, which averages a wage of less than $10 per hour." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853346) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 8:47 AM Author: ultramarine exciting forum i love this - no mention of their market value (there are plenty of tards willing to teach at the going rates, obviously). if they don't like the job, they are free to find something else to do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853350) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:39 AM Author: Sexy Step-uncle's House cr, but interesting to think where that surplus is going... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853498) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 8:07 PM Author: fuchsia fluffy quadroon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27856731) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 11:45 PM Author: milky round eye goyim and how do these numbers justify a floor of $15k per course?
ridiculous. the school should pay 135% of the income it receives per student to the teacher. that makes such sense and won't end up further screwing students at all! |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 8:56 AM Author: Vengeful 180 Nibblets Theater It's hard to feel sorry for this dude when he made such obviously poor life choices. If PhD grads aren’t qualified to the point of being responsible for their labor mistakes, who is? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853361) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:05 AM Author: embarrassed to the bone cuckoldry do you think the job market for PhDs is worse than the market for JDs? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853377) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:09 AM Author: Vengeful 180 Nibblets Theater in the humanities? probably (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853395) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:23 AM Author: Narrow-minded charcoal faggotry meetinghouse As someone who had to choose between the JD and a humanities PhD, it is undeniable that the job market for PhDs is worse than the market for JD's. There is no equivalent to doc review for PhD's, but if there was they would get thousands of applications. The hourly rate of adjuncting is significantly less than that of doc review, and it frequently isn't very intellectual stimulating either-- teaching writing 101 at a community college just isn't that interesting. A generation of "just do what you love" has left us with too many humanities PhD's and not enough nurses. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853444) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 7:22 PM Author: Bateful fear-inspiring kitchen to be fair, the "nurse shortage" is fucking flame perpetrated by our ponzi scheme of a health system. we keep adding more and more pointless layers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27856414) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 10:03 AM Author: Bisexual vibrant location codepig It's far worse and has been for decades (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853597) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 10:28 PM Author: honey-headed den I still feel bad for these late Gen X'ers who clearly fell for boomer flame. The cat's out of the bag now with these bullshit lib arts degrees, especially with boarts like these, but a lot of mid-30s bros who had shitty parenting or shitty counselors truly believed you just studied hard, got a good degree, and let it do what it do. It worked for the boomers after all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27857600) |
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Date: January 5th, 2019 8:47 AM Author: vigorous senate This is exactly why I did a full stop and changed to LS in my late 20s. It hurt, but it was worth it in the end. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#37531458) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 8:58 AM Author: Impertinent Mildly Autistic Stage He should go to Ukraine and redeem himself in glorious combat. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853365) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:14 PM Author: Haunting base naked male dick to balls fighting (hands tied behind your back) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27857148) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:31 AM Author: supple organic girlfriend boltzmann The humanities PhD black hole has been well known for like 20 years. Even in my shit high school 15 years ago, some shithead kids were like "I'm gonna be a PROFESSOR!" and teachers knew enough to tell them those jobs basically don't exist anymore. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853463) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:35 AM Author: embarrassed to the bone cuckoldry 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853476) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:33 AM Author: purple temple This site is nuts. Just because someone doesn't cop a stem degree doesn't make everything their fault lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853467) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:35 AM Author: embarrassed to the bone cuckoldry Don't you think it's kinda fucked up a 35 year-old man with advanced degrees can barely afford to feed his son?
It would be different if it were a 23 year-old recent college grad working a shitjob, but the bro in the OP is a full-grown man with a wife and a kid. |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:38 AM Author: purple temple I do think it's fuxked up but I'm not going to blame him for a shitty job market in his field. I dont think everyone has the obligation to pursue a stem degree lol. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853492) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:42 AM Author: Sexy Step-uncle's House $21/hr is hardly the worst salary in the world. obviously it doesn't meet his middle class expectations, but that's too bad. kids don't need the gilded existence most xoers expect, but this shithead should have deferred having kids if he couldn't afford it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853510) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:44 AM Author: embarrassed to the bone cuckoldry CR re: postponing a child. But kids are expensive, and $21/hr won't cut it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853530) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:46 AM Author: supple organic girlfriend boltzmann What point are you trying to make (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853536) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:47 AM Author: embarrassed to the bone cuckoldry $21/hr is pretty fucken bad if you have a child (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853540) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:49 AM Author: supple organic girlfriend boltzmann Were you by any chance granted a humanities PhD at some point in ur life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853548) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:52 AM Author: embarrassed to the bone cuckoldry I used to be friends with many humanities PhDs… (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853557) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 7:24 PM Author: Bateful fear-inspiring kitchen if your wife has a job and you dont live in a COASTAL URBAN ELITE area it's just fine for an actual middle class lifestyle. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27856427) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 10:42 AM Author: adulterous background story set People raise perfectly fine children on that wage all the time (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853704) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:42 AM Author: stimulating abusive tanning salon karate This guy has been free to go get any kind of other job that pays more this whole time. Nobody is forcing him to be an adjunct prof. He should have bailed long ago. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853513) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:44 AM Author: Vengeful 180 Nibblets Theater (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853527) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:45 AM Author: embarrassed to the bone cuckoldry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853532) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:46 AM Author: supple organic girlfriend boltzmann B-b-but the ADVANCED DEGREES (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853535) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:46 AM Author: purple temple Just do leave your designated field behind for something entirely different. It's easy bro (XO lawyer who has been posting about leaving law behind for 10 yrs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853537) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:48 AM Author: Vengeful 180 Nibblets Theater seems like it would be a pretty easy decision if you're getting paid shit.
"oh no, I can no longer be a malcolm x scholar and must spend my days working a white collar job, the horror" |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:53 AM Author: embarrassed to the bone cuckoldry twist: humanities PhDs are closed off from acquiring a white-collar job because employers deem them "overqualified." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853561) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:54 AM Author: Vengeful 180 Nibblets Theater that's just untrue dude. sorry. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853564) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:58 AM Author: embarrassed to the bone cuckoldry umm let's see; if you were an employer, who would you hire: (1) Tim, 23, recent college grad with a BA degree in sociology who has 0-2 years of real world work experience; or (2) Ron, 35, underemployed humanities PhD who wants to work for you so he can earn more than what he earns in his current job.
hmm… you can pay (1) less than (2) and not feel bad because you'd be giving the kid a "chance" by giving him "work experience." |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:58 AM Author: Vengeful 180 Nibblets Theater GEICO is hiring. he can work at GEICO. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853580) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 10:01 AM Author: stimulating abusive tanning salon karate Plenty of these bros do end up getting random white collar jobs, dude. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853589) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 10:02 AM Author: Vengeful 180 Nibblets Theater CR. not sure what this flame is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853591) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:56 AM Author: stimulating abusive tanning salon karate lol, no. Anyway sociology isn't even that bad of a PhD. He has to at least have taken some statistics for it. Can spin it into market research, big data, etc etc.
Not like it was comp lit or something. |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:57 AM Author: Vengeful 180 Nibblets Theater (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853575) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:49 AM Author: Crimson cruise ship preventive strike If there is no hope and the "designated field" is a barren wasteland, then a husband and father should fucking sack up and do something to improve his situation. We're not living in a guild society where your only hope in life is to stick with the field for which you were trained. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853545) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:50 AM Author: purple temple It's possible he could get a tenure track jerb within a few yrs. He should probably just become a high school teacher tho (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853552) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:53 AM Author: Vengeful 180 Nibblets Theater "It's possible he could get a tenure track jerb within a few yrs."
lol no it's not. are you fucking kidding me.
once you strike out on the first few job market seasons, you're permafucked |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:54 AM Author: purple temple At good schools.. Shit schools turn adjuncts into tenure track bros sometimes man (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853566) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:57 AM Author: Vengeful 180 Nibblets Theater link me to a single instance of this happening.
in any case, "sometimes" seems like a tremendously generous word here |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:18 PM Author: Haunting base lol no (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27857183) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:54 AM Author: supple organic girlfriend boltzmann Those hos don't want him no more, he's cold product (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853565) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:55 AM Author: Vengeful 180 Nibblets Theater (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853570) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:50 AM Author: stimulating abusive tanning salon karate Lol at the idea of a "designated field" in 2015. My designated field is playing in the NBA, I'll never give up! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853551) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:53 AM Author: supple organic girlfriend boltzmann He could use his $21/hour to spend 6 months getting an HVAC certification, or automotive technician, or train under a master plumber, and make more money with more stability. But I'm sure that's all beneath him. Because he's an asshold who cares more about himself than he does his kid (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853560) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:54 AM Author: embarrassed to the bone cuckoldry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853567) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 10:04 AM Author: ultramarine exciting forum (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853600) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 10:07 AM Author: Sexy Step-uncle's House and once he starts working as a plumber he'll be on almost exactly the same hourly rate
lol xo |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 10:15 AM Author: supple organic girlfriend boltzmann
And he can work 60+ hours/week instead of 30, including nights and weekends where he can charge more. But he would never do it because he's got a PHD!!! |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 10:17 AM Author: Sexy Step-uncle's House http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Journeyman_Plumber/Hourly_Rate
tradesmen are not paid that well on average |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 10:19 AM Author: Bisexual vibrant location codepig Total Pay (?) $31,720 - $70,992
That's better odds than he has now. |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 10:22 AM Author: embarrassed to the bone cuckoldry Apprenticeships take a while to complete; but they take even longer to find. Who the fuck will want a PhD as his apprentice? I doubt Bob the tradesman will happily hire a PhD. LOL. Moreover, a PhD probably doesn't have the skills to converse with everyday blue-collar folks.
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Date: May 9th, 2015 10:25 AM Author: Sexy Step-uncle's House more importantly, he may have no manual skills because that shit has no correlation with book learnin'
and if he gets that apprenticeship, he can enjoy four years of training on $12/hr |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 10:23 AM Author: Sexy Step-uncle's House http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes472152.htm
you can expect to make $25/hr, and that's after years of training at a much lower rate |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 10:27 AM Author: Bisexual vibrant location codepig Buddy, I quoted your link. I'm not saying he should really become a plumber. Just pointing out that plumbers on average make better money than him. Of course, he could find a better job than he has now. He chooses not to. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853676) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:20 PM Author: Haunting base your retarded. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27857199) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:31 PM Author: spectacular hospital (35 yr old adjunct faggot) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27857278) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:38 AM Author: multi-colored transparent pit athletic conference Whose fault is it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853487) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 10:06 AM Author: ultramarine exciting forum he shouldn't be whining that his risky decision didn't end up working out. no one not attending an elite UG has any business studying sociology, and fewer people should be getting PhDs in it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853604) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 10:09 AM Author: comical kitty cat selfie Titcr. These same posters will bitch about paye and being misled into law school while having no sympathy for this guy. There was a time when educated people (whether they were academics, journalists, or stem mastermen) could enjoy a comfortable middle to upper-middle-class life. That should be our ideal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853615) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 10:13 AM Author: Sexy Step-uncle's House but don't we produce far more doctorates than in the past? the solution is reduced funding for doctoral work in most subjects. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853629) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 10:15 AM Author: Vengeful 180 Nibblets Theater lower ranked universities shouldn't have PhD programs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853632) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 10:40 AM Author: razzmatazz orange deer antler Lower ranked universities shouldn't have sociology programs. HVAC and arithmetic. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853702) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 10:16 AM Author: Bisexual vibrant location codepig Twist: this guy could probably cop a middle class life or close to it if he would just grow the fuck up and get real job (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853636) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 10:16 AM Author: Vengeful 180 Nibblets Theater literally he could just teach HS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853642) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:26 PM Author: stirring regret Yeah he should just realize he's not a genius. He could go on IBR, get a teaching job, coach cross country and relax. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27857237) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:32 PM Author: spectacular hospital Pretty sure he's already relaxing. He "works" maybe 20 hrs a week (no chance he does 30 hrs for two classes) and takes money from his parents. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27857291) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 10:55 AM Author: stimulating abusive tanning salon karate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853754) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 10:16 AM Author: ultramarine exciting forum There are simply too many people getting a higher education for this to be reasonable. Scarcity held up its value. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853638) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:41 AM Author: talented avocado hall I thought the "doc review" of PhDs was teaching high school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853507) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:42 AM Author: awkward hyperventilating church building He should work in university administration, keep cashing those BIG BIG student loan checks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853514) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:43 AM Author: Crimson cruise ship preventive strike Why doesn't he just teach high school? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853521) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:43 AM Author: stimulating abusive tanning salon karate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853525) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:47 AM Author: embarrassed to the bone cuckoldry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853542) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:58 AM Author: Vengeful 180 Nibblets Theater Even if we accept for the sake of argument that most winners in the academic job market win by pure luck, the losers don’t become long-term adjuncts because of bad luck. They become long-term adjuncts because of their choices. They could quit any year and get any number of excellent jobs, such as working at GEICO. (I keep harping on GEICO because I worked there for a while. It’s an excellent company with a far more moral culture than any university I know of.) Though whoever made this is not good GEICO material. Perhaps Allstate.
Imagine in downtown Falls Church there’s a restaurant called Bob’s Steak or Poopburgers. Bob is a wonderful cook, but also a corrupt and nasty jerk. When you order a sandwich, there’s a 20% chance you’ll get a delicious steakburger, or an 80% chance you’ll get a foul poopburger. Now, if such a restaurant existed, I’d say Bob’s a real jerk. Still, I wouldn’t feel bad for the 80% of his customers who get the poopburger. They could just get up and walk away, and go to any of the other fine restaurants in Falls Church, such as Pizzeria Orso. No one’s making them eat the poopburger. If they eat the poopburger, that’s their fault. I can say that even if I think poopburger restaurants are bad and should be outlawed.
UPDATE:
Let’s be clear what my position is with regard to what’s happening at universities.
1. I think Ginsberg’s public choice account of what happened at universities is basically right. Universities have been captured by administrators, and they tend to run things in ways that benefit themselves and those to whom they answer more than faculty or students. Universities suffer from all sorts of Niskanen-type problems and are in many ways highly corrupt. I’m not joking when I say that GEICO is the most moral organization I worked for, and that both universities I’ve worked for have far worse problems.
2. Most people who end up professional adjuncts chose to be victims. They either knew, or should have known A) that universities suffer from the corruption described in 1, and B) that their job prospects would be quite poor. Also, C) most professional adjuncts both could have taken a better paying job doing something else, and could get a better paying job now.
Notice that 1 and 2 are compatible. 1 is not evidence that not-2 and vice versa. So, yes, adjuncts, you are being fed a poop sandwich by a corrupt system. But for most of you, it’s your fault you’re eating it. They are wrong (blameworthy) for offering it to you, and you are wrong (blameworthy) for eating it. |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 10:11 AM Author: Sexy Step-uncle's House but what swallows up the huge margin on these courses? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853624) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 10:27 AM Author: Jet-lagged persian Tenured professors (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853671) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 10:29 AM Author: Sexy Step-uncle's House undergraduates basically don't benefit from research. what a racket. fucking boomers strike again! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853677) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 10:40 AM Author: Narrow-minded charcoal faggotry meetinghouse "Confessions of a Community College Dean" is a 165 blog that discusses these issues in-depth, if you're interested. http://suburbdad.blogspot.com
TLDR:
1) Health insurance is expensive. 2) Even at barebones operations, technology is expensive (even the shitty computer lab is expensive). 3) Colleges have to do more and more that isn't directly teaching-- for instance, financial aid is so byzantine that colleges need a department for it. 4) Colleges have a lot of compliance expenses, including state and federal reporting. 5) Everybody talks about cutting bloat, but as soon as you propose something concrete the SJW knives come out. Would you risk your career by proposing to eliminate the Chief Diversity Officer, the Deputy Diversity Officer, and the Diversity Undersecretary? 6) Don't forget other fixed expenses-- somebody has to pay to keep the lights on. |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:34 PM Author: Jet-lagged persian 165 is the perfect ranking for that blog (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27857311) |
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Date: May 10th, 2015 8:15 AM Author: Narrow-minded charcoal faggotry meetinghouse Ty brother. I am trying to bring back "rating things other than 180." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27859178) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 10:19 AM Author: embarrassed to the bone cuckoldry Why'd you leave your job at GEICO for law school? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853648) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 10:19 AM Author: wonderful bbw chapel The interest rates on my law school loans are higher in order to subsidize loans like this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853649) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 10:23 AM Author: embarrassed to the bone cuckoldry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853654) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 10:22 PM Author: Exhilarant Theater Stage Genital Piercing and the interest rates on my college ee degree loans are higher in order to subsidize loans like yours (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27857570) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 10:30 AM Author: Jet-lagged persian I'm an adjunct, it's like any other apprenticeship, you do it for two years while networking and furiously publishing. Eventually you get out. People who remain adjuncts often don't want to move to a better job or get comfy teaching 101 classes and don't strive for broadening their experience. Also rarely mentioned: most adjuncts can't move bc they are married to people earning much more money (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853678) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 10:33 AM Author: Vengeful 180 Nibblets Theater (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853686) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 10:38 AM Author: Jet-lagged persian And it's true that at a shitty school you'll get bumped up to an instructor eventually, my friend was an adjunct for two years, instructor for one and then is now assistant prof; then he can lateral anywhere (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853698) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 10:44 AM Author: Narrow-minded charcoal faggotry meetinghouse This is flame. *You* may end up being fine, but there is a massive mismatch between how many PhD's are produced in a year and how many tenure track positions open up. Also, the median time for a humanities PhD is seven years. How the fuck can a seven year degree then have a two year apprenticeship? And then, WHAT? Finally, you're on the tenure track for five or six years and hope not to get dinged? And if you do everything perfectly, you hit that brass ring in your late thirties, and even under this rosy scenario you may be stuck at some college you've never heard of in the middle of ARE Country with no lateral possibilities ever? As a plan, this makes "I'm going to go to the firm I'm summered at and make partner" look good. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853720) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 10:49 AM Author: Jet-lagged persian There's definitely a mismatch, but many PhDs aren't positioning themselves For a job in academia. It's not a 30 hour a week job. you have to publish and network and many people don't. In my field it is mandatory that I have a published book before I can get a tenure track job. So I have to write one. Also many adjuncts are spouses of high earners who would love to get full time jobs but can't move without risking their partner's job (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853731) |
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Date: May 10th, 2015 8:27 AM Author: Narrow-minded charcoal faggotry meetinghouse Whatever makes you happy, but "do a four year degree, to do a sixish year degree, to do a two year apprentinceship (while publishing a book), to do five years of grinding on the tenure track" sounds utterly miserable. That makes you broke as fuck until your 40's, and you can fall off that wagon at any time for any reason from the aggregate demand mismatch to running afoul of a SJW witch hunt. Good luck. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27859187) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 10:44 AM Author: concupiscible heaven friendly grandma that lying sack of shit ain't workin anywhere near 30 hours a week, if he's teaching 2 classes. rule of thumb is 3 hours per class per week (=6 hours) and a very liberal estimate of 3 prep hours per teaching hour (=18 hours; if he's taught the course before, then 1-2 hrs total per 3 hr class prep). So, 24 hours at best and more likely under 20. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853721) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 10:49 AM Author: Jet-lagged persian (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853733) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 10:55 AM Author: stimulating abusive tanning salon karate But what about his scholarly research? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853759) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 11:35 AM Author: slippery reading party How much work does it take to defecate? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853904) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 1:56 PM Author: Dull provocative multi-billionaire I spend 3-6 hours per day but I'd hardly call it work (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27854581) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 2:09 PM Author: odious lime love of her life cumskin Ty. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27854658) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 10:51 AM Author: flushed pozpig space shoulda done STEM, shitlib! ahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27853741) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:13 PM Author: embarrassed to the bone cuckoldry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27855197) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:16 PM Author: bossy chartreuse piazza i think when the ancient Egyptians were building the pyramids, they were trying to tell us something. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27855218) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:22 PM Author: Peach Stag Film Lol sounds like a funny joke, but tell me wut it means (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27855238) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:27 PM Author: bossy chartreuse piazza few at the top, most at the bottom. not much else to it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27855253) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 7:18 PM Author: Pearly Misunderstood Ceo Lay There's no "just go do XYZ" after you have kids. There are maybe six jobs that really do let someone become UMC and they all require particular schooling that someone who needs to put food on the table tomorrow can't do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27856394) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 7:20 PM Author: Sexy Step-uncle's House just do HVAC technician (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27856403) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 7:27 PM Author: Pearly Misunderstood Ceo Lay I have no idea where XO got the idea that people waltz from a two-year degree into an $80k job. HVAC is starting at like $40k. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27856461) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:15 PM Author: Sexy Step-uncle's House just do random entry level job at 150% national average salary (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27857155) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 7:30 PM Author: stimulating abusive tanning salon karate This sociology guy could definitely go make more money tomorrow than he's making now as a 30 hr a week adjunct in Chicago. He just thinks he's too good for it because he's an ACADEMIC. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27856485) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 8:02 PM Author: Pearly Misunderstood Ceo Lay More than $21/hour? People with no training or experience in a field just don't make more than that anywhere.
He could probably get another part-time job, which would help with the money stress, but then he'd be very busy and still probably barely treading water. He just don't have any good options. |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 8:09 PM Author: Sapphire property son of senegal OH NO I CAN'T BE VERY BUSY! SORRY KID (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27856735) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:11 PM Author: Pearly Misunderstood Ceo Lay I mean, of course he should get another job. It's definitely the lesser of two evils. It's just saying there's not really a way to seriously turn it around. His best-case scenario is $50kish to work 55-60 hour weeks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27857128) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 8:27 PM Author: spectacular hospital Half his problem is that he's a lazy fuck. The other half is his likely 115 IQ. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27856823) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 9:48 PM Author: Jet-lagged persian I bet you anything his wife is working at a real job, otherwise there's no way he'd be living in Chicago (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27857385) |
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Date: May 11th, 2015 5:05 PM Author: gaped mad-dog skullcap Could you list these six professions please? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27868647) |
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Date: January 5th, 2019 5:35 AM Author: Irate Double Fault (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#37531195) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 10:10 PM Author: Sable striped hyena Who the fuck pays $140,000 for a sociology PhD?
If you don't get funding and a stipend, don't fucking go. |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 10:20 PM Author: Jet-lagged persian he probably borrowed for living expenses unless he's RETARDED--although, he may have done a MA at UChicago and paid for that with loans (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27857552) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 10:21 PM Author: aqua effete church no, i found his CV: http://www.luc.edu/media/lucedu/sociology/pdfs/gradcvs/Hoffmann_CV_JULY_2012.pdf
ba wisconsin-madison ma prescott arizona (WTF) phd loyola chicago |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 10:23 PM Author: Jet-lagged persian I'll bet he paid for that MA, MAs never give funding (unless you're some weird URM or something like that) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27857577) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 10:33 PM Author: Sable striped hyena It's still not making sense. He has all kinds of stipends listed on his resume and whatnot and Roger's Park isn't that expensive for living.
I bet he had undergrad loans. No Way he shelled out over 50K for an MA in Prescott.
Loyola pumps out a bunch of shit PhDs in psych and sociology. It's not like NU/UIUC/UChicago don't push out enough of these on their own. I think even UIC is probably better at the grad level. |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 11:40 PM Author: tan pervert The lesson here is that we should prevent anyone from lending money to students attending these TTT's.
Even if you get a PhD in Sociology, you will be collecting a stipend at a top school; if you fail to get an academic job going, you can fall back to lots of options (e.g. consulting). If you get this useless degree in some no-name school, well you're just fucked. |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 11:43 PM Author: Arousing giraffe Is Loyola a TTT in sociology? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27858101) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 10:16 PM Author: aqua effete church i think he's pulling the wool over everyone's eyes. his dissertation is about low wage workers and their plight. he's basically living the life he knows best.
"Dissertation: Working with Nature: Green Jobs Training & Urban Sustainable Development in Chicago I examine how low-wage workers and job trainees experience sustainable development through diverse urban initiatives and enterprises. "
http://www.luc.edu/media/lucedu/sociology/pdfs/gradcvs/Hoffmann_CV_JULY_2012.pdf |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 10:25 PM Author: Jet-lagged persian He's probably going to get something if he keeps publishing, he has a terrible PhD but could probably get a corporate job if he keeps striking out (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27857586) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 10:26 PM Author: Jet-lagged persian Also, if he graduated in 2012 and he hasn't been adjuncting that long... it's a shame he didn't get a postgrad fellowship but I doubt he's been looking for things outside of Chicago (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27857593) |
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Date: May 9th, 2015 11:26 PM Author: curious box office He spent $140,000 getting a PhD in Sociology?
I'm sorry but that's just a bad life choice. |
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Date: May 15th, 2015 9:33 PM Author: embarrassed to the bone cuckoldry (said the chick who spent $250,000 at SLS only to grind away in shitlaw) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#27900306) |
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Date: January 5th, 2019 1:04 AM Author: Startled twisted school lettuce (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#37530593) |
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Date: January 5th, 2019 1:14 AM Author: Cracking translucent partner half-breed PhD in sociology? Sounds like he needs to do some diversity consulting. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#37530636) |
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Date: January 5th, 2019 2:55 AM Author: Boyish nowag what i got out of this thread:
you have to write and get a book published before you can get considered for tenure in a humanities phd field
most phds are married to other phds. |
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Date: January 5th, 2019 3:13 AM Author: Flirting fishy hell Should have stuck to BMX (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#37530972) |
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Date: January 5th, 2019 3:18 AM Author: Motley Pea-brained Turdskin Jewess MODS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875592&forum_id=2#37530986) |