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abandon biglaw offer to pursue commercial real estate dev?

the situation: just-graduated 3L with an offer at a major ma...
Abusive native hissy fit
  06/13/15
Bullshit.
dashing hell dysfunction
  06/16/15
do not look back
Misanthropic bat-shit-crazy national security agency menage
  06/13/15
Guess I can stop checking my email to see if Johnsmeyer has ...
spectacular liquid oxygen
  06/13/15
sadly this is urban CRE and i won't know the joys and intric...
Abusive native hissy fit
  06/13/15
CRE will always be there if you want it. BigLawl will not.
Brindle chad kitchen
  06/13/15
do you think this is true re: CRE? bearing in mind that this...
Abusive native hissy fit
  06/13/15
(literally the worst advice ever poasted)
smoky principal's office
  06/13/15
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onyx hyperactive office double fault
  06/14/15
...
Vigorous Location Persian
  06/14/15
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Electric Mediation Windowlicker
  06/14/15
go do CRE you idiot. you know that you are better suited fo...
swashbuckling keepsake machete main people
  06/13/15
thank you. i think you're right.
Abusive native hissy fit
  06/13/15
btw, you will also probably suck at biglaw so I wouldn't fac...
swashbuckling keepsake machete main people
  06/13/15
no, agreed that i will definitely suck. the choice is basica...
Abusive native hissy fit
  06/13/15
...
silver macaca
  06/14/15
flame. but why the fuck would you even ask this question?
primrose generalized bond
  06/13/15
like every idiot who attended LS, i am somewhat risk averse....
Abusive native hissy fit
  06/13/15
THIS IS YOUR FUCKING BEST CHANCE IN LIFE YOU IDIOT. DO NOT P...
Erotic Boltzmann Affirmative Action
  06/13/15
cr
Vigorous Location Persian
  06/14/15
Take the CRE opportunity, aggressively refi your loans down ...
Erotic Boltzmann Affirmative Action
  06/13/15
...
Misanthropic bat-shit-crazy national security agency menage
  06/13/15
A lot more shit on your college and law school campuses were...
smoky principal's office
  06/13/15
Let's switch up the facts w a little hypo. What if the guy h...
pink sticky public bath
  06/13/15
...
pink sticky public bath
  06/14/15
Depends, how FRATTY is the team he's joining
onyx hyperactive office double fault
  06/14/15
BAIN Dallas
pink sticky public bath
  06/14/15
Didn't read OP but yes of course
peach slippery field mother
  06/13/15
"i am generally ill-suited to working for others and sk...
judgmental sex offender
  06/14/15
This thread is a good example of the doors law school can op...
pink sticky public bath
  06/14/15
...
pink sticky public bath
  06/14/15
You should probably think about why this multimillion dolar ...
Out-of-control Sienna Resort Sound Barrier
  06/14/15
...
bull headed indecent private investor sneaky criminal
  06/14/15
"There is an old story about a financial economist and ...
Abusive native hissy fit
  06/16/15
what experience do you have managing people and projects?
bull headed indecent private investor sneaky criminal
  06/14/15
TBF not sure what kind of advice you even hope to get here. ...
Chest-beating Base
  06/14/15
Op - listen to Colt
Laughsome Chapel
  06/14/15
Flame. What the fuck kind of CRE project pays out that much ...
ivory at-the-ready shrine
  06/14/15
It sounds like he is talking about a back-in after payout, w...
Erotic Boltzmann Affirmative Action
  06/14/15
his prediction is also probably wildly optimistic, but that'...
Vigorous Location Persian
  06/14/15
this is correct
Abusive native hissy fit
  06/15/15
So you have no experience managing commercial development......
Razzmatazz Puppy Abode
  06/14/15
Cr OP has some further explaining to do before I can make th...
Bright goal in life
  06/14/15
what difference does it make? it'll get him good experience...
Vigorous Location Persian
  06/14/15
the difference is, if he is lying about one thing, he may be...
Razzmatazz Puppy Abode
  06/14/15
Not disagreeing but that line of discussion is not super hel...
Erotic Boltzmann Affirmative Action
  06/14/15
I'm guessing it is some hookup from his dad or uncle or some...
Milky Soul-stirring Gaping
  06/14/15
yep that's how u make it in amerika. these faggots then tell...
Diverse adulterous clown meetinghouse
  06/14/15
Even if it is a major hookup, no one/group with $20 million ...
Razzmatazz Puppy Abode
  06/14/15
presumably you understand that a $20 million project does no...
Abusive native hissy fit
  06/15/15
there's a family connection to the prospective investors, ye...
Abusive native hissy fit
  06/15/15
it sounds almost as crazy as the idea that somebody with no ...
smoky principal's office
  06/14/15
Well, except that happens all the time. What the OP is desc...
Milky Soul-stirring Gaping
  06/14/15
$160,000 is compensation for potential which is signaled by ...
Razzmatazz Puppy Abode
  06/14/15
>>Most of these jobs are no partners track except in n...
infuriating seedy sanctuary
  06/16/15
bros should I take 3.5mm/yr for a CRE project or work at DLA...
pink sticky public bath
  04/21/17


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Date: June 13th, 2015 7:48 PM
Author: Abusive native hissy fit

the situation: just-graduated 3L with an offer at a major market V50, low 100s in debt. through personal connections, some shit i learned in/prior to LS, and a ton of luck, i've been offered the opportunity to manage a ~$20m commercial real estate project from start to finish. details are still hazy but i would pull a salary around $75-90k for 2.5 years while working on the project and 25-30% equity in the project, which i estimate would be worth $8-10m net of debt in 7 years.

pros: the upside is obviously huge. i am more interested in the CRE opportunity. i would be self-employed and self-directed. i am generally ill-suited to working for others and skilled at managing people and projects.

cons: much higher chance of failure. the development is relatively high risk/high reward. i would live like a pauper while making loan payments until the payout, which is quite a ways down the road.

input welcome. seems like i know the answer already but it's always good to see if others have insights i missed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28112200)



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Date: June 16th, 2015 12:32 AM
Author: dashing hell dysfunction

Bullshit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28129858)



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Date: June 13th, 2015 7:49 PM
Author: Misanthropic bat-shit-crazy national security agency menage

do not look back

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28112208)



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Date: June 13th, 2015 7:53 PM
Author: spectacular liquid oxygen

Guess I can stop checking my email to see if Johnsmeyer has responded to my application to manage that Mega farm he inherited.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28112251)



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Date: June 13th, 2015 7:54 PM
Author: Abusive native hissy fit

sadly this is urban CRE and i won't know the joys and intricacies of BBW ranching... yet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28112262)



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Date: June 13th, 2015 7:59 PM
Author: Brindle chad kitchen

CRE will always be there if you want it. BigLawl will not.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28112301)



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Date: June 13th, 2015 8:04 PM
Author: Abusive native hissy fit

do you think this is true re: CRE? bearing in mind that this is not an entry-level associate position at a CRE firm but a chance to manage & be a full-fledged partner on a project.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28112339)



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Date: June 13th, 2015 8:28 PM
Author: smoky principal's office

(literally the worst advice ever poasted)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28112517)



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Date: June 14th, 2015 1:58 AM
Author: onyx hyperactive office double fault



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28114519)



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Date: June 14th, 2015 10:21 AM
Author: Vigorous Location Persian



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28115671)



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Date: June 14th, 2015 1:52 AM
Author: Electric Mediation Windowlicker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28114492)



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Date: June 13th, 2015 8:15 PM
Author: swashbuckling keepsake machete main people

go do CRE you idiot. you know that you are better suited for, and more interested in it. Even if it doesn't pan out you'll get some experience and contacts and can keep progressing.

Whereas if you do biglaw, you'll make an extra 200k over that 2 year span (100k after taxes) but will have been miserable and have no relevant experience.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28112416)



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Date: June 13th, 2015 8:26 PM
Author: Abusive native hissy fit

thank you. i think you're right.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28112504)



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Date: June 13th, 2015 8:30 PM
Author: swashbuckling keepsake machete main people

btw, you will also probably suck at biglaw so I wouldn't factor in any possibility that you can maek it to partner. no offense, but most people suck, especially those that dont want to be lawyers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28112531)



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Date: June 13th, 2015 8:58 PM
Author: Abusive native hissy fit

no, agreed that i will definitely suck. the choice is basically take this chance now or put in my 3 years to pay off my loans before doing something similar to this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28112747)



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Date: June 14th, 2015 1:51 AM
Author: silver macaca



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28114486)



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Date: June 13th, 2015 8:17 PM
Author: primrose generalized bond

flame. but why the fuck would you even ask this question?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28112440)



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Date: June 13th, 2015 8:27 PM
Author: Abusive native hissy fit

like every idiot who attended LS, i am somewhat risk averse. i also have personal connections in the major market where my V50 would be. i'm trying not to factor that into what i think should be a professional decision, but it's tricky. (the CRE gig is in my secondary city hometown.)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28112510)



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Date: June 13th, 2015 8:32 PM
Author: Erotic Boltzmann Affirmative Action

THIS IS YOUR FUCKING BEST CHANCE IN LIFE YOU IDIOT. DO NOT PASS THIS UP. EVEN IF YOU FAIL COMPLETELY, YOU WILL BE 100% MORE PREPARED FOR 100% MORE INTERESTING AND MORE LUCRATIVE SHIT THAN BIGLAW. DO NOT FUCK THIS UP.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28112549)



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Date: June 14th, 2015 10:21 AM
Author: Vigorous Location Persian

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28115676)



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Date: June 13th, 2015 8:19 PM
Author: Erotic Boltzmann Affirmative Action

Take the CRE opportunity, aggressively refi your loans down to <3.0% interst, do not look back

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28112454)



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Date: June 13th, 2015 8:24 PM
Author: Misanthropic bat-shit-crazy national security agency menage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28112487)



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Date: June 13th, 2015 8:29 PM
Author: smoky principal's office

A lot more shit on your college and law school campuses were named for real estate developers than for lawyers. HTFT.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28112522)



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Date: June 13th, 2015 11:26 PM
Author: pink sticky public bath

Let's switch up the facts w a little hypo. What if the guy had an MBB associate offer instead of Biglaw?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28113613)



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Date: June 14th, 2015 12:25 AM
Author: pink sticky public bath



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28114066)



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Date: June 14th, 2015 1:58 AM
Author: onyx hyperactive office double fault

Depends, how FRATTY is the team he's joining

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28114517)



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Date: June 14th, 2015 2:20 AM
Author: pink sticky public bath

BAIN Dallas

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28114641)



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Date: June 13th, 2015 11:28 PM
Author: peach slippery field mother

Didn't read OP but yes of course

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28113627)



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Date: June 14th, 2015 2:00 AM
Author: judgmental sex offender

"i am generally ill-suited to working for others and skilled at managing people and projects."

let me stop u right there chief

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28114526)



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Date: June 14th, 2015 2:22 AM
Author: pink sticky public bath

This thread is a good example of the doors law school can open w focused efforts. I've noticed especially employers in the real estate space LOVE hiring fresh law school grads and new lawyers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28114653)



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Date: June 14th, 2015 7:08 AM
Author: pink sticky public bath



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28115319)



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Date: June 14th, 2015 7:15 AM
Author: Out-of-control Sienna Resort Sound Barrier

You should probably think about why this multimillion dolar opportunity was not offered to an experienced RE project manager and/or snapped up by said individual.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28115322)



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Date: June 14th, 2015 9:59 AM
Author: bull headed indecent private investor sneaky criminal



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28115590)



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Date: June 16th, 2015 12:04 AM
Author: Abusive native hissy fit

"There is an old story about a financial economist and passionate defender of the efficient markets hypothesis who was walking down the street with a friend.

The friend stops and says, "Look, there is a $20 bill on the ground!"

The economist turns and coolly replies, "Can't be. If there was a $20 bill on the ground, somebody would have already picked it up."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28129567)



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Date: June 14th, 2015 9:59 AM
Author: bull headed indecent private investor sneaky criminal

what experience do you have managing people and projects?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28115594)



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Date: June 14th, 2015 10:31 AM
Author: Chest-beating Base

TBF not sure what kind of advice you even hope to get here. You seem to understand the criteria well enough, less certain higher reward with more stable but lower returns.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28115704)



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Date: June 14th, 2015 11:42 AM
Author: Laughsome Chapel

Op - listen to Colt

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28115907)



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Date: June 14th, 2015 12:25 PM
Author: ivory at-the-ready shrine

Flame. What the fuck kind of CRE project pays out that much in equity to the project manager? And are you saying you only get equity at the end?

This sounds like a retail construction project (anchored strip center in the burbs), but still probably flame.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28116119)



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Date: June 14th, 2015 12:26 PM
Author: Erotic Boltzmann Affirmative Action

It sounds like he is talking about a back-in after payout, which wouldn't be uncommon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28116126)



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Date: June 14th, 2015 12:32 PM
Author: Vigorous Location Persian

his prediction is also probably wildly optimistic, but that's not really the point. the point is that even if he makes far, far less than he expects on that back end, even nothing, it's a better route to go down than biglaw.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28116154)



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Date: June 15th, 2015 11:59 PM
Author: Abusive native hissy fit

this is correct

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28129520)



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Date: June 14th, 2015 12:29 PM
Author: Razzmatazz Puppy Abode

So you have no experience managing commercial development...

but someone is willing to pay you 30% equity to act as a project manager without any skin in the game yourself...



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28116139)



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Date: June 14th, 2015 12:31 PM
Author: Bright goal in life

Cr OP has some further explaining to do before I can make the flame/not flame determination

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28116145)



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Date: June 14th, 2015 12:32 PM
Author: Vigorous Location Persian

what difference does it make? it'll get him good experience in a much better career path than biglaw.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28116157)



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Date: June 14th, 2015 12:35 PM
Author: Razzmatazz Puppy Abode

the difference is, if he is lying about one thing, he may be lying about a lot of things and it may not actually be a better career path.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28116163)



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Date: June 14th, 2015 12:46 PM
Author: Erotic Boltzmann Affirmative Action

Not disagreeing but that line of discussion is not super helpful to him

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28116212)



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Date: June 14th, 2015 12:35 PM
Author: Milky Soul-stirring Gaping

I'm guessing it is some hookup from his dad or uncle or someone in the family. Obviously no one gets 30% of the promote on a $20mm development deal with zero experience without a major hookup.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28116167)



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Date: June 14th, 2015 12:37 PM
Author: Diverse adulterous clown meetinghouse

yep that's how u make it in amerika. these faggots then tell Russian girls they are self made men.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28116179)



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Date: June 14th, 2015 12:43 PM
Author: Razzmatazz Puppy Abode

Even if it is a major hookup, no one/group with $20 million is going to give someone with no experience the type of responsibility that is reasonably compensated by a 25-30% promote.

Unless it is literally his dad's money, the dad is going to be doing the work, and there are no other financial partners.

Even non-capital partners have to have some skin in the game, or a tremendous amount of service potential.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28116206)



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Date: June 15th, 2015 11:44 PM
Author: Abusive native hissy fit

presumably you understand that a $20 million project does not require investors to put up $20 million in cash

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28129350)



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Date: June 15th, 2015 11:43 PM
Author: Abusive native hissy fit

there's a family connection to the prospective investors, yes. without giving too much detail, the project is one that i identified myself (though i obviously would have to learn an absolute fuckton). it's viable largely because of a combination of tax credits that are not commonly used or well understood in this market, but that i happened to study in great detail in LS. so i do add some value. i have pretty unimpeachable leadership/mgmt credentials from before LS – apologies but not going to give more detail.

30% was probably on the optimistic side, but i am going to try to pull it. i would probably be happy with 15-20% if that's all i can get.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28129336)



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Date: June 14th, 2015 12:38 PM
Author: smoky principal's office

it sounds almost as crazy as the idea that somebody with no prior experience as a corporate attorney might be offered a $160,000 starting salary and partner-track job at a large law firm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28116188)



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Date: June 14th, 2015 12:44 PM
Author: Milky Soul-stirring Gaping

Well, except that happens all the time. What the OP is describing almost literally has never happened....unless the OP is the son, nephew, brother or twink of whoever runs the development company.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28116208)



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Date: June 14th, 2015 12:45 PM
Author: Razzmatazz Puppy Abode

$160,000 is compensation for potential which is signaled by a lot of years of going to good colleges and or law schools.

Most of these jobs are no partners track except in name.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28116210)



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Date: June 16th, 2015 12:09 AM
Author: infuriating seedy sanctuary

>>Most of these jobs are no partners track except in name.

Wait, WHAT?!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#28129626)



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Date: April 21st, 2017 3:26 PM
Author: pink sticky public bath

bros should I take 3.5mm/yr for a CRE project or work at DLA Piper???

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2907676&forum_id=2#33128613)