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How big is POTUS 2016?
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Date: July 15th, 2015 9:19 AM Author: fantasy-prone location When was the last election with this high of stakes?
I think clearly the two parties haven't been this far apart recently, if ever. |
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Date: July 15th, 2015 9:20 AM Author: Mind-boggling gaming laptop community account (Chris Christie) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2935902&forum_id=2#28333896) |
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Date: July 15th, 2015 9:24 AM Author: fantasy-prone location (Ted Cruz) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2935902&forum_id=2#28333912) |
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Date: July 15th, 2015 2:16 PM Author: Aggressive Garrison Clown Huge because a two-term president will probably appoint 3 or 4 Justices. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2935902&forum_id=2#28335694) |
Date: July 15th, 2015 9:25 AM Author: silver institution organic girlfriend Potus of what? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2935902&forum_id=2#28333917) |
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Date: July 15th, 2015 9:26 AM Author: fantasy-prone location good point, *poTTTus (that should make it obvious I'm talking about the U.S.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2935902&forum_id=2#28333921) |
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Date: July 15th, 2015 10:06 AM Author: primrose bat shit crazy office coffee pot 2012? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2935902&forum_id=2#28334111) |
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Date: July 15th, 2015 10:15 AM Author: fantasy-prone location Romney and Obama were basically identical (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2935902&forum_id=2#28334143) |
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Date: July 15th, 2015 10:30 AM Author: laughsome cordovan useless brakes (actual retarded person) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2935902&forum_id=2#28334229) |
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Date: July 15th, 2015 10:33 AM Author: fantasy-prone location That's why I thought the GOP hysterics over Obama were so funny.
Obama and Romney are both pragmatic centrists. Romney just happens to also be a huge tool.
Did you read the Bartlett article classifying Obama as a conservative? Obviously Bruce has an agenda but I still think the points in it are fairly straightforward. |
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Date: July 15th, 2015 10:47 AM Author: laughsome cordovan useless brakes Are you kidding? Romney may be a centrist but he believes in markets and capitalism and low taxes. For instance, his solution to health care would be more privatization, relaxed regulation, etc. He's also deeply religious and would likely have relied on religious morality in his presidency.
Obama despises markets and capitalism and believes in centralized, planned authority, high taxes, and maximal government control. He is also non-religious.
They are very, very different people, and political leaders. |
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Date: July 15th, 2015 11:21 AM Author: fantasy-prone location lol this is awesome, I didn't know there were any real tea partiers on here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2935902&forum_id=2#28334431) |
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Date: July 15th, 2015 2:11 PM Author: electric charcoal international law enforcement agency really? because his solution for healthcare in massachusetts was obamacare. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2935902&forum_id=2#28335654) |
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Date: July 15th, 2015 2:13 PM Author: Misunderstood Irradiated Heaven Keepsake Machete It used to be that states rights vs. large fed govt was a valid argument to have. I do understand that these days it is all about end goals. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2935902&forum_id=2#28335665) |
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Date: July 15th, 2015 2:06 PM Author: Flirting deer antler son of senegal As are Jeb and Hillary (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2935902&forum_id=2#28335603) |
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Date: July 15th, 2015 10:12 AM Author: greedy stage turdskin last white president if we don't deport all mexicans (legal and illegal) and build an electric fence. so, pretty big. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2935902&forum_id=2#28334129) |
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Date: July 15th, 2015 10:54 AM Author: Chestnut coldplay fan (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2935902&forum_id=2#28334329) |
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Date: July 15th, 2015 10:16 AM Author: self-absorbed pervert plaza If the GOP doesn't win, they will be discredited and forced to give up most its base's cherished principles. Democrats will be emboldened and shift left economically and up the efforts on their social change agenda. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2935902&forum_id=2#28334149) |
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Date: July 15th, 2015 10:20 AM Author: excitant sepia alpha Every election people say its the most important election of our lifetime. this one will be no different. that doesn't mean it is, but it does feel like that to everyone when they're in the moment (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2935902&forum_id=2#28334179) |
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Date: July 15th, 2015 10:26 AM Author: fantasy-prone location Undoubtedly there's a tendency to think that.
But some elections still have to be objectively more important. This one seems bigger than at least than 04 08 and 12. |
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Date: July 15th, 2015 10:32 AM Author: excitant sepia alpha i'm guessing you're a millennial who probably wasn't paying that much attention back in '04 (not your fault - you were just too young to care back then). objectively, 2004 was the biggest of all those. bush had just narrowly won without a majority of popular vote, country was more closely divided than ever (including now), terrorists had just attacked NYC and Washington, we'd gotten into two wars in iraq and afghanistan, the economy was struggling, everyone knew JPS was about to retire so the winner of the election would get an important SOCUTS pick. there was just way more happening back then. today, economy is much better, the country as a whole tends to favor dems more than republicans, Al Queda is largely defeated, ISIS isn't the same level of threat to US interests, and there's no impending SCOTUS pick besides Ginsburg's seat, and she will retire before Obama leaves office. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2935902&forum_id=2#28334243) |
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Date: July 15th, 2015 10:34 AM Author: fantasy-prone location I agree that 2004 was bigger than the Obama ones but I still think 2000 was bigger than 2004 and probably the last big election. SCOTUS is a good point but most of the damage bush did was already underway by 2004, in my mind.
No comment on the millenial designation.
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Date: July 15th, 2015 10:48 AM Author: Mildly autistic sanctuary 2000 didn't seem big in 2000. the economy was GOAT and bush v. gore were basically creaming over what to do with the budget surplus. the terrorist threat was unrecognized. people didn't give a fuck, didn't see much of a difference between the two candidates. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2935902&forum_id=2#28334311) |
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Date: July 15th, 2015 11:01 AM Author: disturbing flesh black woman cr. 2004 was the goat POTUS of recent elections. 2008 was prob bigger than 2012 too (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2935902&forum_id=2#28334351) |
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Date: July 15th, 2015 10:33 AM Author: self-absorbed pervert plaza I think 08 was pretty big even though it was almost certain that Dems would win. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2935902&forum_id=2#28334249) |
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Date: July 15th, 2015 10:35 AM Author: fantasy-prone location Big because of first black president, but otherwise not. The main thing I can think of would be if McCain wouldn't have actually done a stimulus (but I'm skeptical of that) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2935902&forum_id=2#28334263) |
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Date: July 15th, 2015 2:22 PM Author: Unhinged public bath this is correct. it is the same every time. every time. |
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Date: July 15th, 2015 10:28 AM Author: Sexy Death Wish Bruthe Thpringthteen endorsed Kerry in 04, his first ever political endorsement, because it was "the most important election in our lifetimes, maybe everrrr"
Having said that, this is likely the last time GOPers will actually believe they could win, but won't. They will survive as a party for a few more POTUS elections, shrivelled and inching towards 25%, and then there will be a hard reallignment as the Dem coalition fractures into two parties: complete shitlibs and new-normals. |
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Date: July 15th, 2015 10:44 AM Author: violet feces locale Not that important.
Any Hillary presidency will be thoroughly owned by Republicans controlling at least the House the entire time, and the Senate at least from 2018 onwards.
It's a bit bigger of a deal for Republicans to win, but even then, there doesn't seem to be anything particularly high stakes about this election. Obama's biggest accomplishment (Obamacare) is more or less firmly entrenched at this point and there aren't any nationwide pressure points that raise the stakes in the election. 2016 will be more 1992-2000 than 2004-2012.
Playing the long game it might be better for Republicans to lose in 2016. With a strong midterm (inevitable) they're looking at double digit Senate gains with a strong chance of winning in 2020 due to fatigue after 12 years of Democratic rule. |
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Date: July 15th, 2015 1:48 PM Author: histrionic antidepressant drug wagecucks As you imply, the Senate will most likely go Dem in 2016 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2935902&forum_id=2#28335455) |
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Date: July 15th, 2015 2:04 PM Author: Passionate milk cruise ship she's gotta be pushing 175 lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2935902&forum_id=2#28335590) |
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Date: July 15th, 2015 2:10 PM Author: Misunderstood Irradiated Heaven Keepsake Machete Hillary is going to win in a landslide with 95% of the minority vote, so whether or not you think it is a "big" election, it won't be interesting at all.
The media is starting to shit themselves over the thought that no one is going to care enough to watch 24/7 news coverage. |
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Date: July 15th, 2015 2:12 PM Author: electric charcoal international law enforcement agency 4 scotus justices will be at least 80 years old when clinton's inaugurated in 2017 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2935902&forum_id=2#28335662) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2017 1:02 AM Author: pontificating gas station (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2935902&forum_id=2#33132266) |
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Date: July 15th, 2015 2:23 PM Author: carnelian bespoke new version other than the scotus implications this is NO different than any other election
In hindsight 2000 was the most important because neocon's retarded middle east policy set us back huge |