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Date: July 16th, 2015 1:45 PM Author: wild fluffy regret http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2015-07-15.html#read_more EVERY PRO-IMMIGRATION CLAIM IS A LIE July 15, 2015
In the wake of Kate Steinle's murder at the hands of an illegal immigrant, mass immigration advocates have begun a campaign of lies in defense of their cheap labor. "Studies show," they say, that immigrants commit LESS crime than the native population.
Inasmuch as the vast majority of post-1970 immigrants -- legal immigrants -- are poor, non-white and come from countries with far worse crime rates than our own, that's at least counterintuitive.
The main evidence cited in support of the claim that immigrants commit less crime than Americans is a moronic point about cities with a lot of immigrants seeming to have low crime rates. Check and mate, Mr. Trump!
The "New York sure seems safe to me!" argument is like the "Saturday Night Live" sketch of Bill O'Reilly arguing that New York has more people than California.
Bill O'Reilly: You also say that California has more people than any other state. I say New York state has more people -- tell me where I'm wrong!
Thomas Woodward: (confused) Um ... well ... Bill ... actually, California is the most populous state.
Bill O'Reilly: I don't know, counselor. I live in New York, and I walk down the streets every day, and there's people everywhere! You can't move! You know what I mean? Last week, I was in California, went to the beach in Malibu. Nobody! Practically empty. So, for my money, New York's got more people. Probably New Jersey, too.
Thomas Woodward: Well, Bill, your own experience notwithstanding, each of the last four censuses has clearly shown --
Bill O'Reilly: Sorry, counselor, not buying it! Not buying it!
Thomas Woodward: Bill, I swear to you, California is our largest state!
Bill O'Reilly: Look, Mr. Woodward, you've got your opinion. I've got mine. We're not gonna settle this tonight.
That's a comedy sketch. But now we're getting it as a serious argument in defense of mass immigration from the Third World.
Reason magazine boasts, for example, that El Paso, Texas, has a large Hispanic population and yet El Paso "is among the safest big cities in America."
In fact, however, El Paso's "safe city" ranking is based on an outdated FBI crime index that includes only eight crime categories, excluding such crimes as drunk driving, narcotics offenses and weapons violations. When the FBI's more complete crime index is used, El Paso has a higher crime rate than the national average.
The reason crime has plummeted around the nation in the last few decades is aggressive policing, increased prison sentences and the expansion of concealed carry permits. (All policies currently being jettisoned by liberals.)
According to The New York Times, the drop in crime in New York City during Giuliani's first two years as mayor alone accounted for 35 percent of the reduction in the national crime rate.
The second main line of attack on the idea that immigrants are committing prodigious amounts of crime are the apocryphal "studies."
The two researchers whose work is cited over and over again for the proposition that immigrants are less criminal than Americans are Alex Piquero, criminology professor at the University of Texas at Dallas, and Bianca Bersani, sociology professor at the University of Massachusetts, Boston.
Pew cites their studies -- and everyone in the media cites Pew, leading to headlines like these:
"UT Dallas prof finds immigrant kids less likely to commit serious crimes, re-offend" -- The Dallas Morning News
"UMass Boston Prof: Stereotype of 'Criminal Immigrant' Doesn't Hold Up" -- Targeted News Service
"Surprise! Donald Trump is wrong about immigrants and crime" -- The Washington Post
Curiously, we are never shown the actual studies, but simply told -- with some heat -- "studies show!"
I looked up some of these alleged studies this weekend. They're all hidden behind ridiculous Internet paywalls. I was often only the sixth person to read them.
It turns out that neither Piquero nor Bersani compared immigrant crime to "the overall population" -- as the British Guardian recently claimed in an article purporting to prove Donald Trump wrong. Rather, they compare immigrants' crime rate to the crime rate of America's most criminally inclined subgroups.
Thus, for example, once you get past the paywall, you will find that Piquero and Bersani's joint study, "Comparing Patterns and Predictors of Immigrant Offending Among a Sample of Adjudicated Youth," used as its base group "adolescents who were found guilty of a serious offense."
THAT'S NOT A REPRESENTATIVE SAMPLE OF AMERICANS! It's a representative sample of teenagers who are convicted criminals.
Similarly, professor Bersani's oft-cited, but never-read study, "An Examination of First and Second Generation Immigrant Offending Trajectories," looked at a population group that included "an over-sample of Hispanic and African-American youth."
Instead of immigrants who are less crime-prone than our native blacks and Hispanics, we were hoping for immigrants less criminal than our Norwegians.
True, as Bersani explains, "because many immigrants initially settle in disadvantaged environments and are exposed to a number of crime-inducing risk factors, their experiences may be similar to many native-born minorities -- particularly the African-American population."
But here's an idea: How about NOT taking in immigrants who are poor, uneducated, come from dysfunctional families and settle in disadvantaged environments?
Amazingly, Bersani's study also produced this startling result: There is very little difference in crime rates between young native whites and blacks. Why no headlines about that? Instead of looking at "studies," how about we just count the number of immigrants arrested, convicted and imprisoned in America?
Even if the immigrants' crime rate were the same as "the overall population" -- and it's not -- we're supposed to be admitting immigrants who are better than us, not "six of one, half dozen of the other."
Why? Because we're picking them. If the food in your refrigerator is rotten, you don't go out and buy more rotten food on the grounds that it's no more rotten than the food you already have. This is the new food you're picking and you're paying for.
Instead, we're bringing in legal immigrants -- forget illegals -- who are way more criminal than us, notwithstanding phony studies no one bothers to read.
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Date: July 16th, 2015 3:50 PM Author: spectacular costumed sanctuary headpube Wrong and retarded. She gets completely annihilated by Ron Unz.
http://www.ronunz.org/2013/07/20/race-and-crime-in-america/
He destroyed CoulterFags in another thread, LOL |
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Date: July 28th, 2015 4:31 PM Author: spectacular costumed sanctuary headpube (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2937015&forum_id=2#28429526) |
Date: July 16th, 2015 1:47 PM Author: Dun doctorate what is her proposal? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2937015&forum_id=2#28343096) |
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Date: July 16th, 2015 2:20 PM Author: pearly library Her proposal is to stop buying the LIES spread by the Jews in the MSM (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2937015&forum_id=2#28343372) |
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Date: July 16th, 2015 1:48 PM Author: talking associate site lib assholes blown out (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2937015&forum_id=2#28343102) |
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Date: July 21st, 2015 8:34 AM Author: chocolate trailer park coldplay fan Cr and just think what they'll be AFTER they read this story (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2937015&forum_id=2#28379987) |
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Date: July 16th, 2015 1:49 PM Author: Angry marketing idea jesus christ libs
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Date: July 16th, 2015 1:49 PM Author: impertinent bawdyhouse mood Ann coulter being taken seriously? Must be (Xo 2015) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2937015&forum_id=2#28343118) |
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Date: July 16th, 2015 1:51 PM Author: wild fluffy regret Can u honestly say her points aren't valid? Or are extreme? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2937015&forum_id=2#28343128) |
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Date: July 16th, 2015 1:54 PM Author: transparent excitant senate i don't understand why Ann Coulter doesn't join the Republican field. if she wants to raise awareness on this issue, and articulate the argument in a way Trump lacks the skill to do, she should launch a POTUS vanity campaign. |
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Date: July 16th, 2015 2:03 PM Author: Fighting Violent Church Chad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2937015&forum_id=2#28343236) |
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Date: July 16th, 2015 2:13 PM Author: wild fluffy regret (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2937015&forum_id=2#28343324) |
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Date: July 16th, 2015 2:15 PM Author: insanely creepy therapy state Scholarship. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2937015&forum_id=2#28343346) |
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Date: July 16th, 2015 2:18 PM Author: pearly library JFC at this gapeage. Libs, fucking explain please.
The two researchers whose work is cited over and over again for the proposition that immigrants are less criminal than Americans are Alex Piquero, criminology professor at the University of Texas at Dallas, and Bianca Bersani, sociology professor at the University of Massachusetts, Boston.
Pew cites their studies -- and everyone in the media cites Pew, leading to headlines like these:
"UT Dallas prof finds immigrant kids less likely to commit serious crimes, re-offend" -- The Dallas Morning News
"UMass Boston Prof: Stereotype of 'Criminal Immigrant' Doesn't Hold Up" -- Targeted News Service
"Surprise! Donald Trump is wrong about immigrants and crime" -- The Washington Post
Curiously, we are never shown the actual studies, but simply told -- with some heat -- "studies show!"
I looked up some of these alleged studies this weekend. They're all hidden behind ridiculous Internet paywalls. I was often only the sixth person to read them.
It turns out that neither Piquero nor Bersani compared immigrant crime to "the overall population" -- as the British Guardian recently claimed in an article purporting to prove Donald Trump wrong. Rather, they compare immigrants' crime rate to the crime rate of America's most criminally inclined subgroups.
Thus, for example, once you get past the paywall, you will find that Piquero and Bersani's joint study, "Comparing Patterns and Predictors of Immigrant Offending Among a Sample of Adjudicated Youth," used as its base group "adolescents who were found guilty of a serious offense."
THAT'S NOT A REPRESENTATIVE SAMPLE OF AMERICANS! It's a representative sample of teenagers who are convicted criminals. |
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Date: July 16th, 2015 2:19 PM Author: razzle-dazzle station prole libs you ok? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2937015&forum_id=2#28343371) |
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Date: July 28th, 2015 4:24 PM Author: Infuriating Citrine Sweet Tailpipe Mental Disorder OK libs, don't try to move...just focus on breathing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2937015&forum_id=2#28429498) |
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Date: July 16th, 2015 2:37 PM Author: Massive area fuck (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2937015&forum_id=2#28343497) |
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Date: July 16th, 2015 2:41 PM Author: wild fluffy regret Jfc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2937015&forum_id=2#28343525) |
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Date: July 16th, 2015 2:50 PM Author: Motley Spot remember this simple formula, which is true more often than not: libs always lie. they don't think it's "immoral" to lie as long as the lie is "for a good cause." see also: the fraud career of stephen jay gould. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2937015&forum_id=2#28343596) |
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Date: July 16th, 2015 2:51 PM Author: pearly library (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2937015&forum_id=2#28343606) |
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Date: July 16th, 2015 2:52 PM Author: pearly library a wise pumo once said: "you cant spell LIES without LIBERALS" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2937015&forum_id=2#28343609) |
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Date: July 16th, 2015 6:54 PM Author: splenetic emerald crackhouse messiness Try again chief (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2937015&forum_id=2#28345456) |
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Date: July 16th, 2015 2:52 PM Author: insanely creepy therapy state (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2937015&forum_id=2#28343620) |
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Date: July 16th, 2015 2:53 PM Author: talking associate site Fake but accurate, at least we raised awareness, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2937015&forum_id=2#28343624) |
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Date: July 16th, 2015 2:54 PM Author: coral garrison ceo I haven't seen much evidence that this isn't the right model to work from (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2937015&forum_id=2#28343632) |
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Date: July 16th, 2015 2:58 PM Author: insanely creepy therapy state The problem is our fag media that doesn't fact check anything or care about falsity. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2937015&forum_id=2#28343650) |
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Date: July 16th, 2015 3:01 PM Author: pearly library They "fact check" shit non stop when a con says anything. Never mind that it's often complete bullshit lies (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2937015&forum_id=2#28343682) |
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Date: July 16th, 2015 3:05 PM Author: insanely creepy therapy state When they fact check things reptiles say, they just spread more lies. The media is the most dangerous combination of incompetent, dumb, brain washed, ideological, and deceptive. And people eat it up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2937015&forum_id=2#28343725) |
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Date: July 16th, 2015 3:19 PM Author: splenetic emerald crackhouse messiness MFCR that is the result of no barriers to entry to being a "journalist" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2937015&forum_id=2#28343809) |
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Date: July 16th, 2015 3:34 PM Author: pearly library (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2937015&forum_id=2#28343902) |
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Date: July 16th, 2015 3:40 PM Author: insanely creepy therapy state I doubt it is legal, but journalists should have to be licensed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2937015&forum_id=2#28343929) |
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Date: July 16th, 2015 6:20 PM Author: Gay stubborn temple (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2937015&forum_id=2#28345202) |
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Date: July 16th, 2015 3:05 PM Author: splenetic emerald crackhouse messiness I promise there is no sleight of hand like this in climatology studies either. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2937015&forum_id=2#28343719) |
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Date: July 16th, 2015 3:50 PM Author: spectacular costumed sanctuary headpube Wrong, retard.
http://www.ronunz.org/2013/07/20/race-and-crime-in-america/ |
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Date: July 16th, 2015 6:26 PM Author: pearly library how does this rebut xo coulter's point, dumbfuck? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2937015&forum_id=2#28345250) |
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Date: July 20th, 2015 9:11 AM Author: pearly library (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2937015&forum_id=2#28370930) |
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Date: July 28th, 2015 4:23 PM Author: pearly library (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2937015&forum_id=2#28429487) |
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Date: July 16th, 2015 2:26 PM Author: coral garrison ceo http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2933330&mc=49&forum_id=2#28311796
but I hear that Wash Po article quotes at least 5 studies!! |
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Date: July 16th, 2015 2:35 PM Author: transparent excitant senate it's really a scandal we are living through. the media, all major candidates, the whole power apparatus in the US, have closed ranks to shut down any truthful discussion on this subject. it's scary. i saw Rupert Murdoch in an interview claiming that not only is Trump WRONG about immigrant criminality (he cited El Paso), but that voters who claim to be angry about illegal immigration are *actually* angry about gov't regulations and high taxes, and are displacing their anger onto illegal immigrants. stunning. |
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Date: July 16th, 2015 2:42 PM Author: pearly library (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2937015&forum_id=2#28343531) |
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Date: July 16th, 2015 2:46 PM Author: coral garrison ceo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2937015&forum_id=2#28343566) |
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Date: July 16th, 2015 2:47 PM Author: wild fluffy regret (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2937015&forum_id=2#28343569) |
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Date: July 16th, 2015 2:48 PM Author: talking associate site (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2937015&forum_id=2#28343579) |
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Date: July 16th, 2015 3:41 PM Author: very tactful boiling water menage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2937015&forum_id=2#28343932) |
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Date: July 16th, 2015 6:38 PM Author: Vigorous National Clown (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2937015&forum_id=2#28345341) |
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Date: July 16th, 2015 2:38 PM Author: Aqua theater yarmulke intelligent shrews are more willing to real talk openly, they have less to lose
this is not a slight on Coulter btw, I think she's 180 and would let her crush my balls anytime |
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Date: July 16th, 2015 3:03 PM Author: mentally impaired center (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2937015&forum_id=2#28343705) |
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Date: July 16th, 2015 3:44 PM Author: Saffron sticky genital piercing halford "Amazingly, Bersani's study also produced this startling result: There is very little difference in crime rates between young native whites and blacks. Why no headlines about that? Instead of looking at "studies," how about we just count the number of immigrants arrested, convicted and imprisoned in America?"
Wait did the study say that there is no difference in crime among young black and white citizens? Is that in gross numbers or as a percent of their population? |
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Date: July 16th, 2015 4:47 PM Author: Saffron sticky genital piercing halford Oh wait, is she saying immigrant crime is equal to citizen (both white and black) crime, without breaking down the citizen demographic further? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2937015&forum_id=2#28344453) |
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Date: July 18th, 2015 2:27 AM Author: pearly library (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2937015&forum_id=2#28356668) |
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Date: July 20th, 2015 11:08 AM Author: Azure Circlehead Party Of The First Part I agree with Coulter sometimes, but going after legal immigrants is dumb. She went after Indians the other day as if they were some sort of criminal menace.
In any event, I would vote for any candidate who forcefully stopped the flow of immigrants from Latin America and took the $4B we give Israel and gave it to our neighbors who need help. |
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Date: July 28th, 2015 4:27 PM Author: talking associate site It's not dumb, because legal immigration programs like H1B visas are being badly abused to replace American workers with cheaper Indian workers that are no more skilled and are in all likelihood dumber and harder to communicate with.
It's in the NYT, so even you'll believe it: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/04/us/last-task-after-layoff-at-disney-train-foreign-replacements.html |
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Date: July 28th, 2015 4:28 PM Author: Infuriating Citrine Sweet Tailpipe Mental Disorder "with cheaper Indian workers that are no more skilled and are in all likelihood dumber and harder to communicate with."
This is pretty well-documented so people that still don't get it are just terminal dumbs. |