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Date: October 21st, 2015 9:43 AM Author: frisky poppy area
Midlaw firm tops out nonequities at 250k and it's super hard to make equity so realistically I was capped at 250. I'm making 240 walking in the door here. I was making 180 as a senior associate there, might hVe gotten a bump to 200 with the promotion.
Not sure how you make partner man. I don't think it's focused on business generation up front for the very reason you said. No 30 something senior associate is bringing in biglaw caliber clients. Honestly I'd be cool with of counsel making 300 something.
Also I can go back to my midlaw firm anytime. Or do gov after banking money for a while.
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Date: October 28th, 2015 11:52 AM Author: frisky poppy area
Why u mad tho
If I was making even less than I did at my former job (say 130-150k) but could count on job security I'd be fine, but I have to assume my lolcareer could flame out and die at any moment so I have to build up enough wealth to leave the profession in the next few years if I have to.
Do u live in NYC or sf? I think those are the only areas more expensive than DC.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29059076) |
Date: October 21st, 2015 1:56 PM Author: mentally impaired onyx clown indian lodge
7:00 - wake up, jack off, shower, jack off again
7:50 - Buy bagel and coffee from cafe; dream of fucking the somewhat cute cashier girl who must wonder why I look so sad and depressed every morning
8:00 - Go into office, try not to look at old, fat, ugly, bitchy associate whose office I have to pass. God she is dumb too. Wonder what I have done in my life to deserve to work with such a stupid bitch.
8:01 - Log onto system. Check nytimes.com and stock market. Check two dozen useless e-mails, most of them from dumb ass junior female associates on the other coast who are stupid enough to send out email questions to the entire fucking firm rather than research it themselves. Wonder why it is that female associates send 90% of the dumbass e-mail questions.
8:20 - Start dreaming about fucking a hot bitch; will continue for most of morning. Wish I could close my office door and jack off.
8:30 - Start working on actual billable stuff even though I've been billing the client for my dreaming and surfing. Close door to keep out sounds of annoying fat ass secretaries. Wonder why anyone would want to waste their life being a legal secretary.
Until noon - Continue working on whatever, hoping not to be called by any other attorneys asking for help. If busy actually try to finish shit. If not busy try to waste time so I can bill more on the project and fuck over the client.
Noon - go out of office, walk down street hoping to see some hot bitches since all I see are ugly fat bitches in the office. Buy a sandwich, come back to office and eat it alone checking nytimes and billing client for the time
Afternoon - fat ass stupid bitch secretary comes into office for third time. Asks stupid ass question; wastes my time; I pretend to be nice even though I wish she were dead. Wonder why secretary can't write a cover letter without having to ask me a question. Wonder why I can't have a 22 year old hot secretary instead of a 60 year old haggy fat bitch.
4:00 - asshole senior partner calls me with "emergency" assigment that must be completed by tomorrow morning. I know fucking ass partner will come into my office tomorrow morning so I actually feel like I have to work on it. Wonder why this partner always calls me after 4 and always needs an answer within 18 hours. Dream of shooting him.
8:00 - somewhat finish assignment. E-mail partner with answer and hope he won't ask follow up questions even though I know he will. Input my hours into the firm's billing system. Try to double bill as much as I can. Try to "estimate" my time, being fair to myself of course.
8:15 - leave office, take taxi home that firm pays for. Buy some Indian or Thai food. Get home, surf net for porn. Jack off two or three times. Take hot bath. Jack off. Go to sleep dreaming of fucking hot bitch.
Repeat next day.
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Date: October 28th, 2015 11:11 AM Author: Pontificating big home
Shitigation in NYC:
7:00 am - wake up
7:30 am - read law 360, email partners about relevant cases
9:10am - get to work
9:20 am - read email memo I asked jr associate get me by last night
9:21 am - palm face
9:45 am - send comments to jr associate
10:00 am - client call with partner
10:45 am - make jr associate research stupid case that partner is convinced exists but I know does not
11:00 am - work on drafting motion
12:00 pm - redo parts of research I asked jr associate to do for memo but that were fucked up
1:00 pm - get lunch, eat at desk
1:20 pm - flip deposition preparation binder full of docs client is on
2:00 pm - revise witness outline for deposition prep
3:30 pm - email paralegal and jr associate asking why relevant documents aren't in the binder
4:00 pm - receive bullshit letter from opposing counsel complaining about something
5:00 pm - meeting with partner re: bullshit letter
5:15 pm - listen to partner rattle of stuff that should be in response letter
5:45 pm - start drafting response letter
6:00 pm - receive corrected binder that should have all the documents I need for deposition prep, but that I now have to QC because I can't trust jr associate and paralegal
7:30 pm - dinner
8:15 pm - send partner draft of response letter
8:20 pm - back to working on motion
9:15 pm - car home, motion still not done, but fuck it I want to watch TV and have a beer
10:00 pm - email from partner - good draft, let's discuss tomorrow, see if jr associate can find some cases saying what they are asking for is bullshit
10:01 pm - forward email to jr associate saying let's talk tomorrow morning
10:05 pm - get response from jr associate saying some bullshit about having an appointment tomorrow morning and assume she is interviewing at other firms, think to myself good riddance
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29058780) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 11:26 AM Author: Pontificating big home
In any event, I'll bite. A MTD usually takes us 30 days. Typically, there will be 1 round of junior partner comments, 2 rounds of senior partner comments, then client comments, then final comments from the partner. So really I have about 2 weeks to put together the motion before the junior partner takes alook, which--in a big securities fraud case--is around 50 pages. A summary judgment motion should take about 6 weeks, but we typically have to do them in 30 days and the review schedule is similar, but the worst part is doing the facts/56.1 statement and rounding up all the stupid evidence you need for that, which includes both documents and deposition testimony. Reply briefs are also bad because we typically only have 2 weeks and we can't prepare in advance that much. Those, I usually have to write in a week.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29058899) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 11:46 AM Author: Pontificating big home
Is there a particular number of subthread poasts you are aiming for?
If I disagree with someone, I tell them. I am not an ass kisser and I don't take shit from people. If I think using a case is going to cause us to lose, I should be able to give the partner a cogent explanation of why I think that. If I can't convince the partner (who has been practicing law and thinking like a federal judge for 40 years) the case is terrible for us, then it's ipso facto not a problem.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29059025)
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Date: October 28th, 2015 12:25 PM Author: Pontificating big home
Poasting in an historic thread where I have drawn SSM out to a promised last question in a subthread wasteland!
I already provided the breakdown of a typical day. In a given day of 9-10 billable hours, I probably spend 7-8 hours doing real research or drafting/revising memos, briefs, or substantive emails. The rest of the time is usually meetings and calls with partners/associates, reading stuff (including looking at discovery), client-related stuff, firm related stuff, mentoring/providing feedback to jr associates, etc. It varies a lot by the day. When we are in the throes of discovery, I can spend 7 hours preparing a deponent and then have another 7 hours of shit to do when I get back to my desk at 4:30 p.m., which blows. On the other hand, there were weeks in August where I did nothing but work on a brief without interruption.
BTW in-person client meetings are not flame and almost always entail a bunch of bullshit running around the night before making sure that binders, handouts, and other shit is prepared and has been checked for quality. Also, for telephonic meetings, some partners will ask for bullets/agendas beforehand which is very tedious.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29059254) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 12:34 PM Author: Tan gas station
Sounds interesting, particularly the real research part or writing briefs. I wonder whether interactions with others in the firm can be dreadful, particularly where they have insufferable personalities.
What are the common mistakes you notice from jr associates? Any egregious ones?
I think you should stop thinking this is a wasteland. I've learned alot from your poasts. Thanks.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29059299) |
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