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What's the CR number of hours to bill each year in BIG LAW?
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Date: April 12th, 2017 1:20 AM Author: wild vivacious laser beams heaven my thought:
2100 billables
100 pro bono
100 "firm hours" - recruiting, events, business development and the like.
This amount isn't horribly stressful but shows you are committed.
You will also not burn out quickly at this pace. |
Date: April 12th, 2017 1:20 AM Author: Lavender Kitty Cat Hominid Seems like a lot just to coast (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3582083&forum_id=2#33054284) |
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Date: April 12th, 2017 1:22 AM Author: wild vivacious laser beams heaven well people who coast only last a few years generally. 2100 will give you job security for a long time in most firms and will guarantee you bonuses each year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3582083&forum_id=2#33054292) |
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Date: April 12th, 2017 1:22 AM Author: Lavender Kitty Cat Hominid 2100 will make it so you are literally never fired and will be miserable for years (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3582083&forum_id=2#33054299) |
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Date: April 12th, 2017 1:23 AM Author: wild vivacious laser beams heaven define "miserable" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3582083&forum_id=2#33054306) |
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Date: April 12th, 2017 1:24 AM Author: Crusty big-titted roast beef Oh what an existence! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3582083&forum_id=2#33054311) |
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Date: April 12th, 2017 1:21 AM Author: histrionic range ljl at 2300 working hours -- meaning 2500+ hours in the office -- being cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3582083&forum_id=2#33054290) |
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Date: April 12th, 2017 1:23 AM Author: wild vivacious laser beams heaven 200 of those hours are easy bullshit hours.
plus the CR is to bill as much as you can out of the office. In litigation this is easy. Just do a lot of contentions, research, filings at home. Come in for meetings, etc.
unless the partner you work for is obsessed with face time, you could easily bill 2100 hours with only 1500 hours in the office. |
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Date: April 12th, 2017 1:24 AM Author: Lavender Kitty Cat Hominid (3l running the math) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3582083&forum_id=2#33054314) |
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Date: April 12th, 2017 1:25 AM Author: wild vivacious laser beams heaven no - "you have to be in the office 300 hours more a year than you bill" is a very 3L notion.
most BIG LAW firm offices (outside of NYC) are ghost towns half the time. |
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Date: April 12th, 2017 1:29 AM Author: Lavender Kitty Cat Hominid What year are you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3582083&forum_id=2#33054333) |
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Date: April 12th, 2017 1:30 AM Author: wild vivacious laser beams heaven 7th (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3582083&forum_id=2#33054340) |
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Date: April 12th, 2017 1:32 AM Author: Lavender Kitty Cat Hominid Cr question then (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3582083&forum_id=2#33054346) |
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Date: April 12th, 2017 1:33 AM Author: wild vivacious laser beams heaven honestly. I went into BIG LAW in a class of like 20 summer associates. I was pretty sure I would not last very long. Pretty much every person I thought was an ultra gunner who would make partner burned out after 2-3 years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3582083&forum_id=2#33054354) |
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Date: April 12th, 2017 1:35 AM Author: Lavender Kitty Cat Hominid (guy billing 2200 hours a year for 7 years wondering why everyone left) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3582083&forum_id=2#33054363) |
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Date: April 12th, 2017 1:38 AM Author: wild vivacious laser beams heaven I don't wonder why. I'm just surprised by who. The ones that seemed like the biggest gunners, who would do anything to be staffed on a high profile case were all the ones who left. Whereas the people who were whatever about it but just got their work done on time seem to be the only ones who survived. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3582083&forum_id=2#33054374) |
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Date: April 12th, 2017 1:40 AM Author: Lavender Kitty Cat Hominid Passionate people burn out. Apathetic people remain due to inertia. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3582083&forum_id=2#33054384) |
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Date: April 12th, 2017 1:27 AM Author: histrionic range just do fill your life and home with hours and piles of work crap. so chirr. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3582083&forum_id=2#33054327) |
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Date: April 12th, 2017 1:31 AM Author: Lavender Kitty Cat Hominid ljl staring at a fucking screen writing a motion in Citrix at home is a fate much worse than going into an office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3582083&forum_id=2#33054342) |
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Date: April 12th, 2017 1:22 AM Author: amber kitty threads like this make me realize what a fucking fraud i am (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3582083&forum_id=2#33054294) |
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Date: April 12th, 2017 1:24 AM Author: wild vivacious laser beams heaven go on (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3582083&forum_id=2#33054307) |
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Date: April 12th, 2017 1:24 AM Author: amber kitty i max out at 1900 hours and most of that is fraudulent padding (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3582083&forum_id=2#33054313) |
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Date: April 12th, 2017 1:27 AM Author: wild vivacious laser beams heaven can you describe a typical day of your padding?
e.g., you go in and do about 3 hours of actual work but bill 7?
or do you basically do a lot of different assignments but "round up .1 every time you can?"
or do you basically just complete fabricate time entries? |
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Date: April 12th, 2017 1:27 AM Author: amber kitty A little bit of all that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3582083&forum_id=2#33054326) |
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Date: April 12th, 2017 1:30 AM Author: wild vivacious laser beams heaven no-one has ever questioned you on this? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3582083&forum_id=2#33054338) |
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Date: April 12th, 2017 1:43 AM Author: Rose set crotch any questions would be in the nature of why he didn't pad more (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3582083&forum_id=2#33054394) |
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Date: April 12th, 2017 1:51 AM Author: wild vivacious laser beams heaven not if the partner has to constantly write off his time because he can't justify it to the client and then it screws up the realization rate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3582083&forum_id=2#33054424) |
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Date: April 12th, 2017 1:24 AM Author: dull mediation I mean sure, though in reality you don't have that much say. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3582083&forum_id=2#33054308) |
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Date: April 12th, 2017 1:24 AM Author: wild vivacious laser beams heaven what do you mean? about workflow? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3582083&forum_id=2#33054312) |
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Date: April 12th, 2017 1:27 AM Author: dull mediation Yeah. It can be done but there's a significant risk of going well over 2100 if you're good enough to get 2100 in the first place. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3582083&forum_id=2#33054324) |
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Date: April 12th, 2017 1:34 AM Author: wild vivacious laser beams heaven yeah that's pretty much the issue with this strategy and it's unavoidable.
I hit 2700 one year and fucking hated life.
but most years I do legit keep it to 2000-2100 billables. |
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Date: April 12th, 2017 1:24 AM Author: Rose set crotch it should be cyclical so u don't burn out immediately
2400 -> 1600 -> 2000 -> 1400 -> 2000 -> 1500 -> 1300 -> exit |
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Date: April 12th, 2017 1:27 AM Author: dull mediation (Guy exiting to new firm every 2 years) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3582083&forum_id=2#33054328) |
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Date: April 12th, 2017 1:29 AM Author: Rose set crotch i plan to retire to biglaw after i retire every few years
just do early retirement -> do whatever you want for a few years -> do biglaw for a year -> take a few years off -> do another year of biglaw -> repeat until u die |
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Date: April 12th, 2017 1:30 AM Author: wild vivacious laser beams heaven would be nice if this were an option. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3582083&forum_id=2#33054337) |
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Date: April 12th, 2017 1:33 AM Author: Rose set crotch it prolly is
after i left biglaw as a senior lit associate the firm offered me a position as a junior/midlevel corp associate
(and i was a shitty associate too) |
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Date: April 12th, 2017 1:35 AM Author: wild vivacious laser beams heaven why would they offer you that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3582083&forum_id=2#33054362) |
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Date: April 12th, 2017 1:36 AM Author: Rose set crotch they never said, but i think the idea was that i was useful to them as a more junior associate but not as a senior/counsel type (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3582083&forum_id=2#33054368) |
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Date: April 12th, 2017 1:29 AM Author: wild vivacious laser beams heaven our firm hired some chick whose resume was literally like:
X firm for 2 years
Y firm for 2 years
Gov for 2 years
Clerk for 1 year
Z firm for 2 years
she lasted about 2 years at our firm before getting the talk... |
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Date: April 12th, 2017 1:34 AM Author: Lavender Kitty Cat Hominid So a hot girl with 11 years of work experience who can do whatever she wants. Got it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3582083&forum_id=2#33054355) |
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Date: April 12th, 2017 1:35 AM Author: Rose set crotch would be particularly awesome if she also posed as a recruiter and collected the headhunting fee each time (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3582083&forum_id=2#33054364) |
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Date: April 12th, 2017 1:37 AM Author: Lavender Kitty Cat Hominid I'm sure she scammed her way to something like that if it is anything like the hot Russian girls I've known in biglaw. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3582083&forum_id=2#33054371) |
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Date: April 12th, 2017 1:39 AM Author: wild vivacious laser beams heaven no she was average looking and legitimately crazy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3582083&forum_id=2#33054380) |
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Date: April 12th, 2017 1:28 AM Author: wild vivacious laser beams heaven why start with 2400? first year is the year no-one really cares about in terms of your hours, as most of it's probably written off anyways.
I'd say if you do the non-burnout strategy it should look more like this:
1600 -> 1800 -> 2000 -> 2100 -> 2100 -> 2000 -> 1800 -> 1600 -> exit |
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Date: April 12th, 2017 1:31 AM Author: Rose set crotch that works too but i prefer frontloading, since it creates a good impression up front (which persists for a while even if all the work u do is useless)
ur map is good too but i find it difficult to bill year after year of 2000+ hours
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Date: April 12th, 2017 1:37 AM Author: wild vivacious laser beams heaven true, I'm just saying all things being equal.
though that wouldn't be a totally bizarre model assuming the firm is stable, as super junior associates don't have a reputation so they get less work. mid-levels start to get a lot more work if they are decent, then senior associates may find work a bit harder to come by again because their billing rate is so high. |
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Date: April 12th, 2017 1:39 AM Author: wild vivacious laser beams heaven how many years do you think you can stay billing that before you get the talk though? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3582083&forum_id=2#33054383) |
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Date: April 12th, 2017 2:08 AM Author: Chartreuse Headpube Locus working on double digits myself (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3582083&forum_id=2#33054488) |
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Date: April 12th, 2017 1:53 AM Author: Vigorous party of the first part Satellite office of a v100 and I've billed 1600-1800 for the past 4 years and am on pace to bill 1400 this year.
It's nice because I never work weekends/long hours, but I'm waiting to be "found out" and fired. |
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Date: April 12th, 2017 1:55 AM Author: wild vivacious laser beams heaven What is there to find out? When the committee meets each year and does your reviews, they don't get a read out of your hours? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3582083&forum_id=2#33054444) |
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Date: April 12th, 2017 2:08 AM Author: Vigorous party of the first part They do, and I'm not exactly a superstar when it comes to work product, so I'm waiting for the inevitable hammer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3582083&forum_id=2#33054487) |
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Date: April 12th, 2017 2:16 AM Author: wild vivacious laser beams heaven well TBF, if you've been averaging 1700 hours a year, that's kind of low but still profitable for the firm... so if the firm is doing reasonably well overall there's no reason to fire you.
I'm surprised they haven't given you a stern talk about your consistently low utilization though.
1400 is really pushing it though, you should try to get that up. |
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Date: April 12th, 2017 1:57 PM Author: dun beady-eyed business firm legal warrant 2200 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3582083&forum_id=2#33057572) |
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Date: April 12th, 2017 2:08 PM Author: Bright learning disabled theater stage jap 2200 imho (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3582083&forum_id=2#33057659) |