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California's Tough Bar Exam, Long a Point of Pride, Faces Pushback

LOS ANGELES—California’s notoriously difficult bar exam has ...
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That's because you're hopeless, weily.
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It's a stupid test. I am studying for the bar in another sta...
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(guy at the bottom of his law school class) there's no su...
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I already passed the bar easily in another state. And you...
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But I think the point people are making is it is not a 105 I...
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Date: May 31st, 2017 3:39 PM
Author: Buck-toothed Hyperactive Love Of Her Life Hall

LOS ANGELES—California’s notoriously difficult bar exam has long been a point of pride among the state’s lawyers. Now it is prompting blowback.

With passing rates hitting historic lows, the state’s law schools are pushing for a controversial change: lowering the score required to pass.

The educators argue that California holds graduates to an unreasonably high standard that no longer can be justified, especially as the price of law school skyrockets.

Others say lowering the bar would pander to a recent cohort of law students with weak credentials, and that law schools should either raise their own standards or shut their doors.

The issue came to a head after the announcement that just 35% of takers passed the most recent California exam, given in February. Only 43% passed last July’s test, the lowest mark for the summer exam in more than three decades.

Bar-passage rates nationally have trended downward since 2014. While some states have begun to see rebounds, others haven’t. Florida, for instance, continued a four-year downward slide on last July’s test, to 68% passing, down from a recent high of 80% in July 2012.

The declining rates have coincided with a steep drop in applicants to law school, spurring the programs to shrink class sizes and, in some cases, admit students with weaker grades and test scores. From 2010 to 2016, first-year enrollment at American Bar Association-accredited schools nationwide fell nearly 29%.

One camp of law-industry watchers blames the drop in passing rates on the declining credentials of incoming classes. Others point to changing study habits of millennials, who grew up with the ability to find information at their fingertips and aren’t accustomed to the intensive memorization and writing skills needed to pass a bar exam. Law schools point to the test’s required score as the problem.

The issue has been acute in California, which licenses the second-largest number of lawyers each year after New York and houses 10% of the nation’s ABA-accredited law schools.

Deans of 20 of California’s nationally accredited law schools earlier this year unsuccessfully tried to persuade the California Supreme Court, which oversees the state bar and regulates the exam, to temporarily lower the passing standards. The controversy soon reached the statehouse, where the Senate Judiciary Committee called a hearing to analyze the decline.

Now, the State Bar of California is racing to answer a series of existential questions: Is the stringent test—with a passing standard higher than all states but one—serving the public interest? And does the exam even test what incoming lawyers need to know?

A study released this week by two Pepperdine University School of Law professors, Robert Anderson IV and Derek Muller, concluded that California lawyers with lower bar exam scores were more likely to be disciplined or disbarred during their careers, based on limited publicly available data.

The format of the exam hasn’t changed substantially in decades, though the test will be reduced from a three-day undertaking to two days starting in July. A California state bar analysis concluded that the two-day test shouldn’t affect passage rates.

At University of California Hastings College of the Law in San Francisco, Dean David Faigman said he was shocked and disappointed last fall to learn that just 51% of his graduates taking the test for the first time passed the July exam.

While accepting that his school had to do more to help students prepare, his ire soon turned to the exam.

Each state sets its own passing score on a common multiple-choice section of the bar developed by a national organization. Since 1984, California’s so-called cut score has been 144, higher than every state but Delaware. New York uses 133; 16 other states set it at 135.

If California used the same passing score as New York on last July’s test, 87% of graduates from nationally accredited schools in the state would have passed, compared with the 62% who passed, according to an analysis commissioned by the state bar.

“Does California know something the rest of the country doesn’t?” Mr. Faigman said. “The more I dug, the worse it smelled in terms of what California was doing.”

Mr. Faigman and other deans say lowering the standard isn’t a matter of catering to students who are no longer equipped to pass. Instead, they argue there is no good reason passing the exam ever had to be so hard.

Weily Yang, a 2015 graduate of Whittier Law School in Southern California, failed the bar three times before finally passing February’s test. Whittier College announced in April it would close the law school, in part because of low bar passage rates.

Preparing for the bar multiple times taught Mr. Yang how to pass the test, he said, but “I don’t think it helped me at all at becoming a better lawyer.”

The 33-year-old has been living with his parents since graduating, and now has a job at a trusts-and-estates law firm. The time spent retaking the test, he said, “hindered my finances, it hindered my quality of life.”

Some practicing lawyers say the problem isn’t the difficulty of the test but that there are too many law schools churning out graduates with little chance of finding decent employment.

“The focus should not be on dumbing down the ability to pass the bar,” said Jeremy Rosen, a partner at California appellate firm Horvitz & Levy. Rather, Mr. Rosen said, the takeaway should be that “a lot of people shouldn’t be in law school. We have too many law students nationwide.”

The state bar is now working to complete a series of studies by the fall that will help the state Supreme Court decide what to do. Some states have moved their passing score down in past decades, though more have raised it.

“We intend to let the results of these studies guide the direction we take and the recommendations we make,” said Leah Wilson, the chief operating officer of the state bar, who added that the agency is concerned about the falling passage rates.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/californias-tough-bar-exam-long-a-point-of-pride-faces-pushback-1496242494

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33438699)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 6:21 PM
Author: Gay frozen organic girlfriend institution

rofl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33440050)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 3:43 PM
Author: contagious walnut orchestra pit



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33438737)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 3:43 PM
Author: thriller state

JFC

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33438745)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 3:44 PM
Author: fighting confused national

Weily Yang, a 2015 graduate of Whittier Law School in Southern California, failed the bar three times before finally passing February’s test. Whittier College announced in April it would close the law school, in part because of low bar passage rates.

Preparing for the bar multiple times taught Mr. Yang how to pass the test, he said, but “I don’t think it helped me at all at becoming a better lawyer.”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33438757)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 3:50 PM
Author: Multi-colored khaki senate

lolololol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33438803)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 3:55 PM
Author: Shivering Address Jewess



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33438853)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 4:31 PM
Author: Poppy school cafeteria

That's because you're hopeless, weily.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33439212)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 4:57 PM
Author: Soul-stirring Primrose Haunted Graveyard

jfc, jfc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33439501)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 3:50 PM
Author: Claret stead

It's a stupid test. I am studying for the bar in another state, and actually just bombed the essay in my practice area because the model answer was completely fucking wrong.

If it was just the MBE and the MPT that would be fine. But its the essays that are a problem because you can write a completely perfect and correct response and still fail if you don't address even incorrect issues. It's sort of like the common core for legal studies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33438793)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 3:56 PM
Author: Shivering Address Jewess

(guy at the bottom of his law school class)

there's no such thing as an "incorrect issue" in issue spotting. this is why jews dominate law school

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33438866)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 4:03 PM
Author: Claret stead

I already passed the bar easily in another state.

And you're missing the point that there can be incorrect analysis. I'd analogize my situation to a wills question where a will was electronically signed online. I gave a succinct answer saying X statute says wills can be signed online and focused on more relevant issues. I ended up "failing" the practice essay because the model answer went through four paragraphs of case law from the 1530s that is no longer relevant, and also ignored how esignatures are actually dealt with.

The bar exam does not deal with real law, and it is not graded by real lawyers. It's a make up believe universe graded and created by people who have never practiced.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33438922)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 4:06 PM
Author: Shivering Address Jewess

the bar exam is a formula, and anybody with half a brain can figure out the formula.

if you're smart enough to have passed "easily" in another state, you should be smart enough to figure out the system.

the bar exam is not a bad basic 105 iq intelligence test.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33438943)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 4:11 PM
Author: Buck-toothed Hyperactive Love Of Her Life Hall



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33438987)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 4:13 PM
Author: Claret stead

But I think the point people are making is it is not a 105 IQ test when the Dean of Stanford Law School is failing it.

I don't think anyone has an issue with the MBE its the essays that can really fuck people over - especially since the graders don't really give out high scores - so one essay not completely addressing the model answer's often warped thinking and you fail if you're taking the attorneys exam in California.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33439003)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 4:21 PM
Author: emerald bipolar lodge

ZOMG!!!! The dean failed!!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33439094)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 4:23 PM
Author: Buck-toothed Hyperactive Love Of Her Life Hall

"especially since the graders don't really give out high scores" shows you have no fucking clue how the exam is scored. They scale the written scores to the MBE scores, so even if the graders sandbag the scoring it won't change a fucking thing, you 95 IQ prole.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33439114)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 4:34 PM
Author: Claret stead

It's not about sandbagging, it's that the right end of the distribution doesn't go much further than the passing score of 65. So if you blow one essay, it's very difficult to make up the points on other essays (contrasted with MBE questions where you have 199 other questions to make things up).

That's one reason the CA attorneys exam pass rate is actually 10% lower than the bar pass rate (even though these are people who already passed in other states).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33439269)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 4:38 PM
Author: racy slate psychic



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33439327)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 4:42 PM
Author: harsh demanding area

Yeah the attorney passage rate is lower because these are retards from other states with easy as shit exams who have jobs and no time to study for another harder bar exam.

Anyone with half a brain can learn to issue spot and write competent essays. The MBE is what's difficult on bar exams because it requires a lot of memorization of laws. CA has too many dumb lawyers as is. Lowering the standard is worst idea ever.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33439389)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 4:53 PM
Author: Shivering Address Jewess



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Date: May 31st, 2017 4:30 PM
Author: electric shimmering internal respiration station

If you do decently well on the MBE, you can bomb the essays with like 50% and still pass.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33439205)



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Date: June 21st, 2017 1:07 PM
Author: vivacious ultramarine foreskin

Practicing lawyers do grade the exam. Some states offer CLE credit for lawyers who agree to grade essay answers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33609479)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 4:32 PM
Author: Amber metal indian lodge halford

"there's no such thing as an "incorrect issue" in issue spotting."

That's horseshit. You have to have some way of determining whether there's an "issue" in the first instance.

Otherwise, everything is an issue.

I doubt you believe that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33439233)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 5:34 PM
Author: Shivering Address Jewess

everything's an issue. how do you think the talmud banned umbrellas on shabbat because it's like building a tent which is a creative (6 days creation) activity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33439774)



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Date: June 21st, 2017 1:00 PM
Author: carnelian fluffy kitty lay

Wow what a complex religion

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33609425)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 5:18 PM
Author: dark round eye

About a month before the exam, I went to check my Crim Pro essay against the model answer when I learned that it was actually an Evidence question, not Crim Pro.

Freaked me the fuck out, but made me realize how stupid it was for me to waste an hour actually writing out the essay. From that point on, I gave myself 20 minutes: 5 to read the essay and 15 to issue spot, and then would just check my issues versus the model answer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33439667)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 3:56 PM
Author: emerald bipolar lodge

The bar exam is TTT but lowering standards so even more legit retards can practice law is not a solution.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33438867)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 4:14 PM
Author: thriller state



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Date: May 31st, 2017 4:26 PM
Author: brass naked turdskin brunch

you sound dumb as shit



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33439148)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 3:54 PM
Author: Cheese-eating transparent mood

law schools should have to refund tuition to students that can't pass.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33438838)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 4:06 PM
Author: contagious walnut orchestra pit



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33438941)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 4:13 PM
Author: racy slate psychic



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Date: May 31st, 2017 4:14 PM
Author: Aromatic Maroon Hissy Fit Theater Stage

federal funding to universities should be multiplied by their LS bar passage rate

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33439026)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 4:24 PM
Author: racy slate psychic



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33439130)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 4:59 PM
Author: 180 regret theatre

The school still wouldn't pay it. The students would. JFC you're going to be making law?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33439510)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 5:03 PM
Author: racy slate psychic



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33439544)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 4:12 PM
Author: Aromatic Maroon Hissy Fit Theater Stage

“The focus should not be on dumbing down the ability to pass the bar,” said Jeremy Rosen, a partner at California appellate firm Horvitz & Levy. Rather, Mr. Rosen said, the takeaway should be that “a lot of people shouldn’t be in law school. We have too many law students nationwide.”

Horvitz & Levy are a bunch of smart people who literally wrote the book on CA appeals and writs. Hopefully the CA SCOTUS pays attention to them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33439000)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 4:14 PM
Author: twinkling brethren



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Date: May 31st, 2017 4:15 PM
Author: Vibrant translucent gaping

It will be interesting to see what happens if the Assembly takes the keys away from the Cal Bar. They certainly deserve it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33439035)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 4:26 PM
Author: racy slate psychic



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Date: May 31st, 2017 4:22 PM
Author: racy slate psychic



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Date: May 31st, 2017 4:49 PM
Author: Aromatic Maroon Hissy Fit Theater Stage

he's not missing the point at all, which is that some people just lack the intellectual capacity to function in knowledge-based or thought-based professions like law. he's just not saying explicitly that "these folks are too dumb."

i think you and i are on the same page though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33439452)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 4:53 PM
Author: racy slate psychic



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33439474)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 4:54 PM
Author: Aromatic Maroon Hissy Fit Theater Stage

i don't think it is. i think he's saying that the current crop of ls students is skewing too dumb for legal practice, and the bar passage rate is an effect of that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33439482)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 5:24 PM
Author: racy slate psychic



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33439720)



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Date: June 1st, 2017 12:11 AM
Author: Nofapping pistol mad-dog skullcap

"can guarantee that within 20 years, at least 95% of trannies will be out of work"

Several years now of interest in automation and corporate law yet still no company has produced a product for automating drafting of corporate agreements...

Your prediction is dumb.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33443192)



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Date: June 1st, 2017 12:14 AM
Author: racy slate psychic



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33443210)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 4:20 PM
Author: Ivory point idea he suggested

lol 1000 ETH says the organization that makes $$ off dues from lawyers recommends that the court admit more people to pay dues

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33439077)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 4:25 PM
Author: racy slate psychic



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33439142)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 4:21 PM
Author: Buck-toothed Hyperactive Love Of Her Life Hall

SCHOLARSHIP cited in the article: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2977359

In this Essay, we present data suggesting that lowering the bar examination passing score will likely increase the amount of malpractice, misconduct, and discipline among California lawyers. Our analysis shows that bar exam score is significantly related to likelihood of State Bar discipline throughout a lawyer’s career. We investigate these claims by collecting data on disciplinary actions and disbarments among California-licensed attorneys. We find support for the assertion that attorneys with lower bar examination performance are more likely to be disciplined and disbarred than those with higher performance.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33439086)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 4:25 PM
Author: stirring really tough guy

Malpractice insurers love it!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33439144)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 4:34 PM
Author: racy slate psychic



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33439268)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 6:29 PM
Author: Idiotic Pozpig Range

Was actually told by someone that works for the bar that PI people get the most complaints.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33440097)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 4:35 PM
Author: Vibrant translucent gaping

what a shock

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33439284)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 4:31 PM
Author: twinkling brethren

Anecdotes like this are normally humblebrags, but I'm being entirely sincere: I passed the CA bar on the first try with laughably little prep. I don't think I ever studied more than 4 hours a day, and I didn't study once on a weekend. I also consider myself toward the bottom of the barrel of who should be a lawyer -- I make mistakes, I'm lazy, it takes a few passes for me to understand convoluted fact patterns. If you can't pass the CA bar with as much effort as some of these students purport to dedicate, then you are objectively a retard who should never be trusted with the affairs of another.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33439210)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 4:32 PM
Author: electric shimmering internal respiration station

lol at avocados

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33439229)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 4:32 PM
Author: harsh demanding area

It's costs like $800 to take the bar exam. I don't see any reason for them to lower standards when this is a serious money maker for the state on repeat takers. This state is so broke.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33439234)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 4:39 PM
Author: Claret stead

^^^Barred attorney suggesting a few thousand law students paying $800 for an exam with serious expenses is a serious money maker for a state with a $100 billion budget

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33439350)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 4:41 PM
Author: racy slate psychic



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33439383)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 4:51 PM
Author: harsh demanding area

Lol and those "serious expenses" are somehow vastly more than in ny where it cost $250 or whatever it was. Its also insulting that the attorney exam costs close to $1000 when you don't even have to take the mbe. So what's the serious expense associated with that? It's a theme with everything in the state. Traffic tix cost more, bar exams cost more.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33439458)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 4:54 PM
Author: racy slate psychic



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33439480)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 5:00 PM
Author: 180 regret theatre

Jesus Christ you are evil and stupid. How the fuck do you make so much?

California single payer will fix California budget woes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33439522)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 4:33 PM
Author: Histrionic bistre yarmulke

It would probably help if the material on the bar exam was incorporated in the school curriculum, but that would make too much sense.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33439255)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 4:36 PM
Author: copper mildly autistic locus ape

Just do learn to think like a lawyer

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33439297)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 4:45 PM
Author: ruby adventurous home immigrant

at true TTTs, it is. the problem is the students are barely literate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33439418)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 4:47 PM
Author: racy slate psychic



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33439440)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 7:45 PM
Author: stimulating crystalline dingle berry pocket flask

Dear God

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33440778)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 4:47 PM
Author: Histrionic bistre yarmulke

It would also help if the bar exam covered the actual law and rules of the state, but that also would make too much sense.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33439435)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 4:49 PM
Author: Buck-toothed Hyperactive Love Of Her Life Hall

jfc stfu doobs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33439450)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 4:52 PM
Author: racy slate psychic



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33439465)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 5:01 PM
Author: Claret stead

This is probably the most frustrating part about taking the exam as an out-of-stater. Literally only like 4% of the exam is going to be state specific.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33439525)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 4:52 PM
Author: Histrionic bistre yarmulke

Just do spend three years and a lot of money going to law school, then some more time and money on a bar prep class, then pass the bar exam, and you still don't know how to practice law in that state. It's massively inefficient.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33439464)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 4:56 PM
Author: ocher geriatric spot

3rd world demographics eventually catch up with you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33439490)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 5:08 PM
Author: Histrionic bistre yarmulke

It seems that law school is designed to prepare you to be a legal scholar or appellate judge, not a practicing lawyer "in the trenches" (*eye roll*).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33439586)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 5:10 PM
Author: Citrine Exhilarant Resort Headpube

DON'T B NICE 2 DIESEL ...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33439604)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 5:42 PM
Author: Scarlet Mischievous Stock Car Rehab

Amazing that in 2017 people are still saying we need more lawyers and are not immediately mocked/discredited

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33439838)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 7:46 PM
Author: stimulating crystalline dingle berry pocket flask



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33440788)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 7:47 PM
Author: magical parlour selfie



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33440789)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 7:48 PM
Author: Idiotic Pozpig Range



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33440805)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 8:58 PM
Author: coral vigorous public bath



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33441416)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 7:35 PM
Author: purple heady gas station

"the bar is a test of minimum competence"

*sound of air being sucked through many sets of teeth*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33440685)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 7:47 PM
Author: Multi-colored khaki senate

before: RIGOR, which is APPEALING.

now: wait hold on Whittier 4Ls can't pass it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33440791)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 8:08 PM
Author: nubile amethyst step-uncle's house laser beams

I loved the California bar. The essays section forced me to learn a minimal amount about California law like community property and wills and trusts that I would otherwise not know the first thing about

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33440961)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 9:00 PM
Author: coral vigorous public bath

California has a shitload of state-approved non-ABA accredited law schools. fuck making the exam easier; these schools should be shut down.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33441429)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 9:07 PM
Author: fear-inspiring wagecucks knife

Know a dude from a t20 who failed his first time. Got back his results and on one essay and performance test, one grader have him a 50 ( fail) and another an 80/85 high passes. They then get a third grader because the spread was so wide. Point being that it's highly subjective. He also scored well on the mbe.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33441492)



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Date: May 31st, 2017 9:15 PM
Author: Fragrant incel

XO Delaware

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33441600)



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Date: June 7th, 2017 12:24 AM
Author: Histrionic bistre yarmulke

UC Davis law student Emily Lahl speaks to fellow students during a mock trial Thursday May 25, 2017, at the Walnut Creek Superior Courthouse.

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/06/05/make-californias-bar-exam-easier-no-way/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3632051&forum_id=2#33492880)