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Date: March 30th, 2004 8:53 PM
I promise you they are real. |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 8:54 PM
Ill believe you, and never look at another ranking thread. |
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Date: April 1st, 2004 2:48 AM |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 8:55 PM
The rankings are full of crap.
It's all crap.
You get what you deserve. |
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Date: April 1st, 2004 2:46 AM |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 8:55 PM
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902&mc=19&forum_id=2 |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 8:57 PM
Mich and Penn made in roads on Chicago, who is now in danger of being supplanted. But then who cares. |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 8:57 PM |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 8:59 PM |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:03 PM |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:05 PM
But IMO any resource that has Chicago ahead of NYU is crap, so I believe this. |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:06 PM
EDIT: and the gap between Chi and NYU widened a lot. |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 8:58 PM |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:10 PM
4.1 academic rep
4.2 prof rep
that's why |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:11 PM |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:12 PM |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:13 PM
Mich was 4.6/4.6
Columbia was 4.6/4.7 (I think)
Penn 4.3/4.3
NYU 4.6/4.4 (maybe?) |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:14 PM |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:16 PM |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:16 PM
he read it fast |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:10 PM
and he's my best friend since age 5 |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:07 PM |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:07 PM
I'm sure someone will get them and scan them soon. |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:09 PM |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:25 PM |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:07 PM |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:09 PM
Someone else will have them soon. |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:13 PM
maybe next year. |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:15 PM |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:18 PM |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:19 PM |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:19 PM |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:23 PM
What? |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:25 PM |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:28 PM |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:26 PM
Yet people still predicted it would drop. |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:27 PM
Whatever though. The goal is profit. Not accuracy. |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:28 PM |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:29 PM
Other than that, yes, that oe has always been puzzling. |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:30 PM
Hint hint (Cooley)
It's all nonsense |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:33 PM
Most people on this board would probably think a hot woman should choose a man based on his IQ, not his looks or his bank account. |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:34 PM |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:38 PM
School giving inin the best chance of landing a high-paying, low-stress job even after getting blind drunk 5 nights a week. |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:42 PM
In ten years, it will surpass Fordham. |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:55 PM
It was nice to hear they did better than FU on the bar last year. I hope it wasnt a fluke. |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 10:02 PM
But, if you're asking what I believe, I think that once Dozo breaks the top tier, they will start attracting more and more students away from Fordham. Dozo already has better facilities and probably a better faculty. They also have managed to distinguish themselves as a leading school in certain fields and are backed by a much stronger institution.
Fordham is slipping (to 34) even with the huge boost that the past few years has given to NYC schools. Now, Dozo is only 19 behind, compared to like 26 last year. It's only a matter of time. |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:35 PM
1. Yale (100)
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2. Harvard (93)
3. Stanford (92)
4. Columbia (90)
5. NYU (89)
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6. Chicago (84)
7. Mich, Penn (83)
9. UVA (82)
10. NU, Duke (81)
12. Cornell (80)
13. Berkeley (79)
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14. GULC (76)
15. UT (75)
16. UCLA (74)
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:35 PM |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:41 PM |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:40 PM
And why didn't that catch on? |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:43 PM
This year GULC slipped bad. Now, either it's fallen, leaving the top 14, or UT and UCLA must be incorporated. |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:45 PM
The scores were the same. |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:52 PM
Seems like Yale is well ahead, with both NYU and Columbia having some sort of shot at overtaking Stanford next year. |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:38 PM |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:39 PM |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 11:26 PM |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:40 PM
Seriously dude, this is exactly what happened. |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:39 PM |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:40 PM
Boalt #13 ... pretty pathetic both on the part of USNEWS and of the school.
USNEWS because of lame methodology. The school because of lame California budget/politicians, inability to retain and build on faculty quickly enough, crap ass facilities, etc.
What an insult to be ranked after the likes of Cornell, Duke, NU. |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:42 PM |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:44 PM |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 10:16 PM |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:42 PM
By the way...I have a scanner and would not mind scanning that shit....hehe. |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:42 PM |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:47 PM |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:52 PM
Let us know.
I hope it's still open. Most of those places are open late though I think.
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:46 PM |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:46 PM |
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What were GW's stats in terms of reputation from academics/judges/professionals?..
what was G'town's?
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:47 PM
GULC was 4.2 Prof, 4.1 academic |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:49 PM
I don't know the others. Sorry.
I imagine someone will scan these shortly though. |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 11:29 PM |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 9:51 PM
Then again, these movements in rep scores are likely all within the margin of error. |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 10:09 PM
Rep might have gone up marginally. One of our profs is teaching a class at Yale 1 day a week and another just became a fellow at the Hoover institute at Stanford. This may happen with profs at every school, but a little extra contact with the outside world might give us a boost. |
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23. Boston U. Emory U (GA) U. Iowa Washington and Lee
Guess BC is out
oh, this is according to Nontrad who verified IH rankings |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 10:03 PM
Where the hell is BC then?
Edit: Oh, from nontrad. Nevermind. |
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I remember when Cornell went from 6 to 14 in one year in the Undergrad rankings. As if the school's quality actually fell in one year. |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 10:07 PM |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 10:08 PM
As for the quality of the school, I don't care to argue. Everyone has their opinions. |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 10:11 PM
Absolutely fucking ridiculous how seriously many people take 'em. |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 10:12 PM |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 10:14 PM
Yearly shifts are kind of arbitrary, but overall the reps of schools stay fairly constant. |
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Quality Assessment weighted .40 school votes for .25 lawyer/judge vote for .15
Selectivity .25 median LSAT is half of it median GPA is 40 percent of it proportion of applicants accepted is 10 percent
Placement Success .20 employment at grad 30 percent of it nine months after grad is 60 percent of it bar passage rate is 10 percent of it
Faculty resources .15
Specialty rankings are based on legal educators nominating up to 15 schools in each field. Those voted the top 10 are listed. |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 10:16 PM UC Hastings 38 UCLA 16 Boalt 13 (Boalt is Berkeley right?) Tulane 56 |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 10:19 PM
this is all from nontrad btw |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 10:19 PM
I'm not sure how much interest there is in the 2005 rankings on this board since most of us nontrads make our decisions based on more than rankings. But, I've found many of the posts on this board are very helpful as I get closer to sending in a seat deposit...everything from how to get the family support to options for moving long distance.
Since my decision is based on a mix of financial, location and ranking I've found it very difficult to decide where to send a seat deposit before some of the April 1 deadlines I'm faced with meeting. Even with my deadlines of April 15, its been difficult to wait till Friday for the rankings. Out of frustration, I went out to visit some local bookstores in the hope that I could find a copy a couple days early. Bookstore #4 did the trick. They had a stack out for all to see and buy...so I grabbed a copy.
I realize that on one of the "other" boards there have been many threads alleging to have early copies. I do not want to start a flame war. If this topic is inappropriate, I welcome the administrator to lock or delete the thread. My goal is to simply help and contribute to the board that has been the most helpful to me.
I do not plan on typing in the entire list...I have other things to do tonight. But I will answer questions about specific schools when I take a break from such things as laundry. I'll offer the following on the schools that I've been most interested in:
UNLV 7 way tie at #82. GPA 3.23-3.69, LSAT 151-159, employment at grad 80.2, 9 months 95.2
FSU 5 way tie at #67. GPA 3.32-3.75, LSAT 154-159, employment at grad 66.4, 9 months 96.7
The headings for the articles are "Going Global", "The Numbers Game", and "Attorneys Wanted". I haven't read the articles yet...I was more interested in the rankings. |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 10:47 PM
If this is you, the real IH, IM me. I'm logging on now. |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 10:48 PM |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 10:21 PM
IH - call your pool hall buddy. |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 10:23 PM
I left a messga eon his voicemail but he is playing in a tourney now. He will probably call me back around 11:00. |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 10:28 PM |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 10:29 PM
What I got, I got over the phonefrom my friend calling from a pool hall.
I don't have the magazine and even if I did, I don't have a scanner.
That said, I anticipate that someone wlese will find them shortly and scan them for you. |
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Someone find a copy in the state of Texas and I will leave now and drive through the night. :) |
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GW tied for 20 with Notre Dame and WUSTL GW: overall 67, peer 3.5, lawyers/judges 3.4, 3.34-3.74, 162-167, acceptance 13.4, student faculty ratio 13.8, employment 96.7/99.1, bar 91.4 NY
UNC-Chapel Hill tied at 27 with UIUC UNC: overall 65, peer 3.5, lawyers/judges 3.8, 3.42-3.84, 157-164, acceptance 19.7, ratio 13.7, employment 69.2/98.3, bar 90.9 NC
U Missouri - Columbia tied at 63 with Illinois Inst Tech (Chicago-Kent), Indiana-Indy, and U. Kansas |
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Edit sole 21 - tied for 23? |
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but it would have been funny as fuck. |
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Date: March 30th, 2004 11:07 PM
As some of you might know, I'm the guy from nontradlaw.com who obtained a copy of the new UsNews rankings; a friend of mine who reads this board asked me to scan them for verification, so I have. A scan of the first page can be found here:
The rest will be posted here and on nontrad shortly. |
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Date: March 31st, 2004 11:36 AM
Your an ass! |
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BTW, Boalt, GULC, and NU are all TTTs. |
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What's the story? |
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I actually did send an email telling them they were cheap bastards and they lost a loyal troll. |
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Date: April 1st, 2004 11:31 AM
In academia in general, talent is distributed much more equally than it was 25 years ago. People in firms and at schools in their 30s and 40s realize this, and it will become reality amongst all very soon. Go where the good faculty in your area are. Consider other factors other than U.S. News rankings. After all, supposedly what you're after is a good education so that you may become a better scholar of the law, and U.S. News simply does not give a very accurate picture of quality of education. |
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But so are tubgirl threads. She deserves love too you know. |
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