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The Corrosion of High School Debate (America Magazine -- debatemos get ITT)
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Date: October 10th, 2017 1:56 PM Author: Exciting Gunner https://www.americamagazine.org/arts-culture/2017/09/26/corrosion-high-school-debate-and-how-it-mirrors-american-politics (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#34409158) |
Date: October 10th, 2017 2:07 PM Author: Violent canary party of the first part principal's office Increasingly merit can prosper only in private. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#34409235) |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 2:11 PM Author: Titillating bearded church gaping *punches everyone ITT and calls them queers* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#34409251) |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 2:50 PM Author: disturbing cracking library mood (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#34409634) |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 2:13 PM Author: Ebony stag film alpha "The writer (and former debate wunderkind) Ben Lerner once wrote, “Americans are always getting ‘spread’ in their daily lives.”"
I like that quote (and not just for its potential ass-cheeks pun). I did extemp' speaking in high school and thought it was a lot better than LD and policy, which were dominated by speed-talkers. It's definitely helpful for a young kid to learn how to speak to an audience. I couldn't stand the tournaments though. They were worse than a Harry-Potter fantasy camp. During down-times, I used to sneak into empty classrooms and watch college football. |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 2:48 PM Author: buck-toothed locale fortuitous meteor sure ya did (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#34409619) |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 3:08 PM Author: Ebony stag film alpha Yeah, I did. Those were some painful Saturdays. Getting up early and waiting in the cafeteria or auditorium of some dumb school with nothing to do (90% of the time you're waiting for room assignments/schedules to be posted). And it took up the whole day. This was well before the smartphone era so I couldn't watch games unless I found a tv with a cable hookup. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#34409762) |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 2:20 PM Author: fantasy-prone friendly grandma plaza Everything in this article is horribly true, from my years of HS debate. I wouldn't even let my parents come and watch me debate because I thought it was fucking stupid. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#34409327) |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 2:25 PM Author: Drab misanthropic piazza community account I didn't let my parents watch because they'd not understand but spreading isn't the problem
dumbed down debate takes something prestigious and rigorous--where even minorities have succeeded--and makes it soft and feminine like everything else in society |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 2:34 PM Author: fantasy-prone friendly grandma plaza Spreading isn't the only problem, but I do think it's a problem.
"haha you dropped my argument because you didn't have enough time to cover my 29 different spergpoints I win" isn't persuasion, and therefore has no reason to be classified as "debate." |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 2:36 PM Author: Drab misanthropic piazza community account a good judge doesn't intervene but also lets the 2AR make new-er arguments at the end and also acknowledge the lack of development in the point, like throwing 10 voters on PICS bad, lol, no elite judge or team is going to win on that because you dropped #8
basically I am arguing that elite, high level debate is ridiculously awesome and should be protected, but shittty debate, and there's a lot of it, needs reform which is basically T.T. debate |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 2:41 PM Author: ultramarine set No, it's fucking pointless. After high school, whenever I was arguing with my friends who went on to do policy debate in college I would routinely rape them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#34409571) |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 2:42 PM Author: Drab misanthropic piazza community account everyone thinks they rape everyone else
a GREAT debater can win at TOC and NFLs, that's my point, they can win when the judge is a junior at some college and knows all the hip high school approaches and lets the teams keep time and is chill and whatever (i.e. the good judges) and can ALSO win when it's some mom who wants you to "slow down"
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Date: October 10th, 2017 3:02 PM Author: ultramarine set No, I would repeatedly rape them in arguments because they didn't have a grasp on even the most basic facts of the discussion on topics like affirmative action, capital punishment, gun control, immigration, etc.
But because they did debate they weren't aware enough to know what they don't know.
These are people who I outscored on the LSAT by 10 points, so I feel pretty confident saying that even they would admit that they were in over their heads. |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 4:57 PM Author: Green Nofapping Idea He Suggested you're committing a no true scotsman fallacy "oh yeah shitty debaters suck but a REAL debater doesn't suck" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#34410728) |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 3:20 PM Author: drunken floppy partner jap "haha you dropped my argument"
It has some real-life analogues in law. |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 2:22 PM Author: soggy stead Is this why those debaters are always at the top of their law school classes? The kitchen sink approach? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#34409353) |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 2:25 PM Author: Drab misanthropic piazza community account No it's because they're fucking smart and it takes a really smart person to balance understanding how to respond to 8 arguments, in-depth, in 8 minutes (which requires talking fast) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#34409384) |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 2:25 PM Author: Violent canary party of the first part principal's office Smart and with the right mindset to churn through conventional talking points rapidly without considering the substance of any of them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#34409395) |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 2:29 PM Author: Drab misanthropic piazza community account good debaters find the balance between depth and breadth
if you've ever seen a first class, top-level debate, they are like fucking magicians, analogous to the football player ready for D1 when he's 17 |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 3:32 PM Author: Violent canary party of the first part principal's office Yeah, yeah. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#34409961) |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 3:25 PM Author: drunken floppy partner jap That's not a fair characterization.
The Greeks had a rhetorical concept called "topoi," which referred to something like a standard set of responses, issues, or frameworks for responding to arguments.
Debate helps people learn to apply that sort of tool, which is useful in all sorts of real-life issue-spotting environments. |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 3:34 PM Author: Violent canary party of the first part principal's office Nothing you said is relevant to my characterization, which (fair or not) is accurate. But your response does go to prove my point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#34409978) |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 3:40 PM Author: drunken floppy partner jap No, despite the application of standard frameworks, it's not "churn[ing] through conventional talking points rapidly without considering the substance of any of them." And that process, contrary to your suggestion, is valuable.
And, no, my response doesn't "prove your point" because my response wasn't a "conventional talking point," and you had never even heard the word "topoi" before today.
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Date: October 10th, 2017 3:43 PM Author: Violent canary party of the first part principal's office False re topoi.
You seem to have misread my poast, which was characterizing the type of people who debate ("smart but...") not debate itself. This inaccuracy led you to churn out various shallow inapposite talking points, thus proving my point about the type of person who is adept at debate. |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 3:53 PM Author: drunken floppy partner jap Come on. That doesn't explain why you mentioned "mindset" and "without considering the substance." Maybe I assume you had more to say than you did. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#34410113) |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 4:00 PM Author: Violent canary party of the first part principal's office You don't think those things are character traits with a heavy genetic loading? Ljl. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#34410176) |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 4:02 PM Author: drunken floppy partner jap Genetics? Wrong thread. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#34410184) |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 4:03 PM Author: Violent canary party of the first part principal's office My point stands. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#34410195) |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 2:24 PM Author: Drab misanthropic piazza community account Angry I wasted time reading this. I thought he was going to get to the biggest issue: the black kids who make debate a meta game about the nature of debate. No longer kritiks, but the performance-based affirmative shit.
Spreading? That's his issue? It's been around for decades. Good spreaders are intelligible and clear and that's why they're great. Shitty ones suck. Judges should knock them for sucking. But it's great to have a lot of arguments out there and I'd also add plenty of teams stick with just a few arguments for depth. It's a matter of strategy.
The fact is, policy debate remains the most PRESTIGIOUS and RIGOROUS activity and should stay that way. Even if it's insular, it's a fucking cult you either join and love or stay away.
Writer of the article is being gay. |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 2:25 PM Author: spectacular tripping hell what the hell is spreading
you nerds |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 2:28 PM Author: Drab misanthropic piazza community account spreading is reading the evidence you present at a super fast speed, so to an untrained ear, it sounds like high pitched mumbling, but to an expert debater they can decipher everything and even call you out if you skip shit
evidence backs up everything in policy debate, e.g., health care becomes more expensive when the government regulates drug prices ... so you read a "Card" which is a piece of evidence saying that, and it'll usually be a think tank or article by someone with qualifications ... but what's fun about policy debate is everything becomes debatable, so of course you can slam the person for being a TTT from Ball State if you want |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 2:48 PM Author: Pungent Salmon Blood Rage lol at having "evidence" for anything policy-related. trotting out poorly conducted sociological/economic "studies" with no predictive power does jack shit. debates should just come down to oratory rhetoric and ethos. that's why trump blew out hillary even though his answers were incomprehensible (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#34409620) |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 3:01 PM Author: disturbing cracking library mood (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#34409706) |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 2:26 PM Author: amber startled pistol cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#34409401) |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 2:44 PM Author: fantasy-prone friendly grandma plaza You're nuts if you think spreaders are "intelligible and clear" to anybody who hasn't been deeply immersed in the insanity of HS debate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#34409588) |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 2:49 PM Author: Drab misanthropic piazza community account my thesis is above: it's an insular elitist activity and mostly to them it's clear and intelligible
but I do think the elite TOC level debaters can more clearly spread and it is more accessible to a larger population
many spreads are just mumbling
who cares about spreading, the card's tag is all that matters
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Date: October 10th, 2017 2:51 PM Author: Judgmental Ape Dat elite-level South Dakota debate is really something, I'm sure. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#34409642) |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 2:52 PM Author: Drab misanthropic piazza community account they do really well at the national tournament (NFLs or whatever), actually
what's the one high school ... fuck i'm old and forgetting, but there is one or two in particular |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 3:55 PM Author: duck-like rehab black woman you're not fooling anyone here, brother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#34410132) |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 2:50 PM Author: arrogant twinkling meetinghouse CR Debate was hijacked by lib insanity and stupid race-based performance that literally anyone can do. And, this happened like 15 years ago. I have no clue what goes on in debate rounds these days. This article could have been written in 1985 or 1995. At one time, debate was preftigious because it was insular and it gave smart creative kids an outlet to study and learn new things and hang out with one another. |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 2:51 PM Author: Drab misanthropic piazza community account cr cr
I was so certain this would be about uppity blacks winning debates because they HIP HOP the resolution
it's ruining college debate and will probably ruin high school debate |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 3:13 PM Author: fantasy-prone friendly grandma plaza How is hip-hopping the resolution any worse than running a critical Aff based on an interpretation of Finnegan's Wake? I ran into that circa 2005. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#34409806) |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 2:27 PM Author: multi-colored toaster affirmative action TL;DR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#34409421) |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 2:27 PM Author: Laughsome halford locus *runs nuke war disad on this thread* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#34409422) |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 3:28 PM Author: drunken floppy partner jap *turns impact with speciesism and human annihilation good* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#34409920) |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 2:28 PM Author: Drab misanthropic piazza community account THIS THREAD LEADS TO A DECREASE IN THE ECONOMY
SHELL 98
NUKE WAR BABY
*runs nuke triv* |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 2:31 PM Author: Judgmental Ape Turn: That's why you gay. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#34409471) |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 2:33 PM Author: Drab misanthropic piazza community account this is definitely a link to several Ks
WITH PRE-FIAT IMPLICATIONS
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Date: October 10th, 2017 2:36 PM Author: sable effete site son of senegal here we have the real divide on this board: those who did shit like debate in high school and those of us who played counter-strike and masturbated (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#34409519) |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 2:36 PM Author: Drab misanthropic piazza community account perm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#34409526) |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 2:36 PM Author: ultramarine set Lol, it's a stupid and pointless activity and the reason why debaters sometimes do well in law school is because they are tryhard super-study azns, lol at thinking that policy debate makes you smart compared to philosophy classes or actual STEM fields. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#34409524) |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 2:37 PM Author: soggy stead These Stuy kikes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#34409533) |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 2:37 PM Author: Drab misanthropic piazza community account IIRC they were more LD than Policy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#34409538) |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 2:54 PM Author: Laughsome halford locus *leans into kike* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#34409660) |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 3:32 PM Author: drunken floppy partner jap "lol at thinking that policy debate makes you smart compared to philosophy classes or actual STEM fields."
That's a strange argument.
Policy debaters have majors, too. |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 2:38 PM Author: Drab misanthropic piazza community account There's a reason the ELITE high schools in America tend to dominate policy debate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#34409540) |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 2:40 PM Author: ultramarine set It's an insular activity at the national level comprising the few high schools in the country where the parents are stupid and rich enough to buy plane tickets and hotel rooms across the country. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#34409558) |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 2:41 PM Author: Drab misanthropic piazza community account D O M I N A T E D by WESTMINSTER ballers and CPS STUDS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#34409569) |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 2:42 PM Author: ultramarine set lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#34409576) |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 2:43 PM Author: Ebony stag film alpha I think socotoa above explains why that is the case. The content that is actually generated from these debates looks nothing like an elite college thesis paper or dissertation. These are smart and motivated kids who should be doing something more worthwhile. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#34409585) |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 2:45 PM Author: Drab misanthropic piazza community account the research, speaking, writing, thinking skills you get from ELITE CX DEBATE is better than literally anything you can do at a young age to become a masterman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#34409594) |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 2:46 PM Author: fantasy-prone friendly grandma plaza Date: October 10th, 2017 2:45 PM Author: gerald_(acp)
the research, speaking, writing, thinking skills you get from ELITE CX DEBATE is better than literally anything you can do at a young age to become a masterman |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 2:47 PM Author: Drab misanthropic piazza community account I STAND BY POLICY DEBATE being an incredible activity for a young mind ... if they have the IQ for it
(weird quote of me there man) |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 2:53 PM Author: fantasy-prone friendly grandma plaza Just ribbing you man. I did four years of debate + extemp and basically enjoyed it, and learned a lot, but I still think debate is basically ridiculous and the people in it could be engaged in far more productive endeavors.
Spreading, hyper dis-ads, kritiks, meta-kritiks, and bizarro plans are all part of the same broader trend, which is turning debate into some bizarre sport played with your tongue (heh) at the expense of any emphasis on genuine rhetoric and persuasion. |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 2:53 PM Author: Drab misanthropic piazza community account I can tell you were the kinda guy who went for stock issues
to be honest, I hated kritiks that weren't pre-fiat (e.g. saying the N word in the round) b/c I thought they cheapened debate ... I think good old DAs and CPs and arguments about T and case can be rigorous and allow for plenty of education about policies ... frankly IRL debates are mostly solvency arguments with CPs, and I think great policy debaters could do the same thing
activity changed with the introduction of the K, but it's neither the K nor spreading, rather, it is the performance art shit, that truly makes policy debate ridiculous |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 3:12 PM Author: fantasy-prone friendly grandma plaza No offense man but this simply sounds like "the stuff around when I was in debate was okay, but everything added after was shit." To any outside observer, spreading, K's, and global extinction dis-ads are absurd on face. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#34409796) |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 3:17 PM Author: Drab misanthropic piazza community account there were Ks, nuke war Ds, and lots of spreading when I debated -- I'm fine with most of it -- I found the proliferation of non-pre-fiat Ks to be disturbing just like I think the use of laptops today is kind of weird
I think HS debate was pretty much fine until some point in the 00s
I have no problem with it being an insular, elitist activity, because there are two different alternatives and people from Brookings, SD (I recall they did well at NFLs) should consider PF debate instead |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 3:01 PM Author: Ebony stag film alpha I remember the research and writing as pretty poor and I was on an elite team (granted I only did extemp). It was very superficial research tailored to achieve an end. I do credit extemp for improving my public speaking skills. But I feel the same way as the author. I won a few plastic trophies (including a first place JV extemp trophy at an NYC tournament!) but can't really say that it's an activity I'd recommend to my children. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#34409709) |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 3:04 PM Author: Drab misanthropic piazza community account you did extemp, game over
do ELITE policy debate where people are scouring law review articles for SWEET scholarship at 11pm on a Friday night ... you learn a lot about yourself and education and shit that helps in a career like being a grinder |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 3:16 PM Author: Ebony stag film alpha "you did extemp, game over"
lol, true. I thought speech and debate would look good on the college resume but didn't want to put any effort into it. Extemp was good for that. Still, I saw enough to know that the quality of the research and writing were pretty bad. |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 3:19 PM Author: fantasy-prone friendly grandma plaza I enjoyed extemp (my HS made us all do a speaking event along with debate) and even if it was "dumber" I got a lot more from it simply because it was more functionally related to the real world.
My favorite experience was a tournament where I had some volunteer non-debater judge who didn't care about time limits, and my extemp question was about Mauretania, so I delivered a 10-minute speech where the first 3-4 minutes were just explaining the basics of where Mauretania is, who lives there, etc. so I could coherently answer the question. |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 2:57 PM Author: Bateful Goal In Life alia was a debate nut. odd case (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#34409683) |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 3:04 PM Author: provocative bronze marketing idea french chef lol, forgot that aspect of the schtick (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#34409737) |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 3:02 PM Author: disturbing cracking library mood xo poasters: "Those AA black people are RUINING debate, and here's why!"
*talks like Micro Machines man for 10 minutes unintelligibly" |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 3:03 PM Author: Drab misanthropic piazza community account *is not a prestigious guy at GDS* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#34409731) |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 3:07 PM Author: ultramarine set lol, what was your W/L record against GDS? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#34409758) |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 3:08 PM Author: Drab misanthropic piazza community account I was a .500 TOC-level debater, I didn't break
so that would probably make me like .400 against GDS |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 3:03 PM Author: Ebony stag film alpha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#34409734) |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 3:04 PM Author: dead giraffe home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#34409735) |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 3:09 PM Author: soggy stead https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fmO-ziHU_D8&t=36
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Date: October 10th, 2017 3:18 PM Author: drunken floppy partner jap "High school debate today is basically an intellectual game, not an exercise in truth-seeking."
And football is a physical game, not an exercise in productive labor.
"It has been turned into something that can easily be scored."
Like sports?
"This eliminates the complexity and intricacy of real discourse about real issues."
Sort of. The level of nuance he might like to see in a round can be difficult to convey, but policy debaters *do* tends to get a strong education on the topic.
"If debate is a game, then the execution of a “spread” is like a well-timed blitz in football.?
Virtually every game has its tricks.
"Convincing a judge that your opponents’ arguments would cause human extinction is equivalent to a successful Hail Mary pass."
And?
If you think one of the primary goals of policy debate should be to prepare eloquent public speakers for a general audience, then spreading is bad. That's a fair criticism.
But if policy debate is something more like an exercise in research, strategy, and information processing, then it has been doing a pretty good job for several decades -- even with the introduction of kritiks.
But how could he ignore the relatively recent rise of performance teams? That's a bigger shift than the decades-old introduction of spreading. |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 4:03 PM Author: fantasy-prone friendly grandma plaza Comparisons to football don't completely work, because football is actually fun to watch, and physical excellence is generally considered good on its own merits.
"Debate" is supposed to be valuable because it cultivates rhetoric and the informed discussion of real issues. Modern debate barely does either, or at least it doesn't do it efficiently. Do people REALLY have a strong understanding about why Africa is failing just because there was a resolution about aid to Africa? I'm not convinced, from seeing it first-hand.
Admitting that debate is just a "game" is to concede the point at issue, because debate as a game is fucking stupid. Being able to spread effectively may be a "skill," but it's not an impressive one. If debate didn't exist and were just being created now, nobody would want to create the event it has become, or the event it has been for the past 30+ years. |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 3:26 PM Author: startling swollen indian lodge tattoo The anti-spreading crowd doesn’t seem to understand that debate is a game. Like football, there are different strategies and approaches. With debaters and judges capable of it, spreading simply increases the number of arguments available in a round and thereby raises the complexity of the strategy. A 1AR that knows how to crush an argument in two devastating points (choosing to “drop” 6 bullshit distraction arguments) is a thing of beauty.
But there are other ways to run an offense. “Slow”/standard debate can be interesting and strategic, too. And it places a premium on a different set of oratory skills that are another facet of the game.
Debate isn’t about some thesis-level engagement on deep issues. You want a peer reviewed study on the effects of spending political capital on drilling in ANWR? Take that nerd shit somewhere else. It’s time to stop playing The Price is Right and start playing Saving Private Ryan (Mead 98). |
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Date: November 18th, 2022 10:18 AM Author: chartreuse center https://www.premierdebate.com/articles/introducing-multi-shells/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#45511400) |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 4:07 PM Author: fantasy-prone friendly grandma plaza It's not that we "don't understand" that debate is a game. The fact that debate is a (stupid) game is the entire argument. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#34410247) |
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Date: October 10th, 2017 4:09 PM Author: Hyperactive Mad Cow Disease I always thought Meade 98 was weak (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#34410273) |
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Date: February 9th, 2022 1:27 PM Author: 180 hairy legs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#43937414) |
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Date: November 18th, 2022 10:10 AM Author: chartreuse center (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3759727&forum_id=2#45511360) |