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No, we always just meant "black people" when we said "divesity" (NYT)
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Date: October 17th, 2017 9:05 AM Author: heady brilliant crackhouse cumskin OAKLAND, Calif. — Discussing her work at Apple at an event last week about fighting racial injustice, Denise Young Smith, the company’s vice president of diversity and inclusion, said, “There can be 12 white, blue-eyed, blond men in a room and they’re going to be diverse, too, because they’re going to bring a different life experience and life perspective to the conversation.”
That’s right: a dozen white men, so long as they were not raised in the same household and don’t think identical thoughts, could be considered diverse. After a furor erupted, Ms. Smith clarified her comments in an email to her team that was obtained and published by TechCrunch. It reads in part, “Understanding that diversity includes women, people of color, L.G.B.T.Q. people, and all underrepresented minorities is at the heart of our work to create an environment that is inclusive of everyone,” and “I regret the choice of words I used to make this point.”
But Ms. Smith wasn’t the first to endorse the view in her initial statement. Those of us in the tech industry know that the idea of “cognitive diversity” is gaining traction among leaders in our field. In too many cases, this means that, in the minds of those with influence over hiring, the concept of diversity is watered down and reinterpreted to encompass what Silicon Valley has never had a shortage of — individual white men, each with their unique thoughts and ideas. This shift creates a distraction from efforts to increase the race and gender diversity the tech industry is sorely lacking.
This overlaps with the sentiments expressed in a screed by a Google software engineer that critiqued the company’s race and gender diversity efforts and ascribed the unequal representation of women in tech to “biological causes.” It included the line, “Viewpoint diversity is arguably the most important type of diversity.”
To be sure, cognitive diversity and viewpoint diversity are important. But working to increase them alone won’t do anything to address the well-documented shortcomings that plague tech companies. Whether companies do it intentionally or not, I worry that they will adjust the definition of diversity so that, conveniently, it’s already achieved.
If our focus shifts to cognitive diversity, it could provide an easy way around doing the hard work of increasing the embarrassingly low numbers of blacks and Latinos in the ranks of employees, in leadership roles, as suppliers and vendors, and on boards. The leadership of Apple, where Ms. Smith works, was only 3 percent black and 7 percent Hispanic in 2016. A recent report by Recode found that women made up at most 30 percent of leadership roles and no more than 27 percent of technical roles at major tech companies. The percentages of black and Latino employees in leadership was even more dismal, ranging from 4 percent to 10 percent.
The shift toward focusing on viewpoint or cognitive diversity may trace its roots back to the 1978 Supreme Court decision Regents of the University of California v. Bakke, which set the stage for schools to consider race in admissions because of the educational benefits of diversity, rather than to redress prior discrimination. It is understandable that because the public discourse around affirmative action shifted along these lines, some came to believe that any kind of diversity — including cognitive diversity — must be equally valuable. But that means that the most meaningful ways through which this is formed (cultural, religious, sexual orientation, socioeconomic, ability and especially gender and racial differences) may be forgotten.
If this happens, we could lose an important check on the tendency of people who work at tech companies to hire more people like themselves. According to the Society for Human Resources Management, employee referrals accounted for over 30 percent of all hires in 2016. Employees typically recommend people similar to them in racial identity and gender, so it requires dedicated effort to recruit and hire people who don’t already have identities that match up with those of current employees. Counting up variations of “viewpoints” — however one might do so — won’t achieve that. And, to potential applicants from underrepresented groups, statements about “cognitive diversity” will send an unwelcoming message about a company’s real priorities for inclusion.
As my former Facebook colleague Regina Dugan said recently, even if cognitive diversity is a company’s ultimate goal, “we can’t step away from the idea that diversity also looks like identity diversity.” The effort to hire people with different points of view must not come at the expense of hiring members of actual underrepresented communities who add tangible, bottom-line value — and who deserve to work in tech as much as anyone.
Ms. Smith said in the email clarifying her remarks, “Our commitment at Apple to increasing racial and gender diversity is as strong as it’s ever been.” That kind of diversity — the old-fashioned kind, that still remains elusive — is what I hope my industry won’t abandon.
WTF is wrong with you bigots stop redefining our euphemisms! |
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Date: October 17th, 2017 9:10 AM Author: diverse resort WHY DONT THESE INDULGENT FUCKS EVER GRAPPLE WITH THE FACT, THE WELL DOCUMENTED AND UNARGUABLE FAXT, THAT WOMEN AND BLACKS ARE LESS LIKELY TO BE CANDIDATES FOR TECH JOBS BC FEWER OF THEM STUDY OR HAVE THE RELEVANT BACKGROUND
WHY ARE THESE FAGGOTS SO ENDLESSLY DISHONEST AND DICISIVE. FUCKING ANSWER ME LIBS, |
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Date: October 17th, 2017 9:31 AM Author: Magical mind-boggling theatre incel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766559&forum_id=2#34461400) |
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Date: October 17th, 2017 9:34 AM Author: Histrionic Plum Locale Turdskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766559&forum_id=2#34461417) |
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Date: October 17th, 2017 9:35 AM Author: Walnut gay wizard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766559&forum_id=2#34461425) |
Date: October 17th, 2017 9:06 AM Author: brass trip parlor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766559&forum_id=2#34461313) |
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Date: October 17th, 2017 9:07 AM Author: diverse resort After a furor erupted,
Jesus Christ gas all millenials |
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Date: October 17th, 2017 9:18 AM Author: cowardly hyperactive theater stage trust fund Gen Z or TRUMP, this could happen brother.... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766559&forum_id=2#34461341) |
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Date: October 17th, 2017 9:11 AM Author: zippy cocky associate gaping Whites are already underrepresented (and non-Jewish whites severely so) at Apple. Naturally, there is nary a word spoken about this, because this is true and everyone knows it: diversity means chasing down the last white person. From that perspective, there is still much work to be done. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766559&forum_id=2#34461320) |
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Date: October 17th, 2017 9:12 AM Author: Carmine persian base The effort to hire people with different points of view must not come at the expense of hiring members of actual underrepresented communities who add tangible, bottom-line value — and who deserve to work in tech as much as anyone. what is this bottom-line value? if it is tangible and actually unique to blacks and womyn, it should be easy to identify. |
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Date: October 17th, 2017 9:12 AM Author: zippy cocky associate gaping They add bottom line value to the company. That value is negative, but still. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766559&forum_id=2#34461324) |
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Date: October 17th, 2017 9:26 AM Author: Big territorial messiness so long as we're talking about adding numbers that aren't within N, some of them also add imaginary numbers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766559&forum_id=2#34461374) |
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Date: October 17th, 2017 9:16 AM Author: buck-toothed chrome den If there's so much underutilized "diverse" talent, it should be easy for somebody in the tech industry to start a "super-diverse" company and ruthlessly exterminate their competitors. This is tech, after all, where seed money is everywhere, companies rise & fall all the time, and apparently there's all this untapped potential.
So how about it libs? This would be both profitable and highly embarrassing to reptiles, so why aren't you doing this? |
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Date: October 17th, 2017 9:48 AM Author: glittery idiot just hire all women, pay them 78 cents on the dollar (one cent higher than your competitors!) and you can undercut everyone else by 22%. It's just that easy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766559&forum_id=2#34461508) |
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Date: October 17th, 2017 9:54 AM Author: iridescent flirting place of business hall Made same argument in college b4 in complete earnest b4 I discovered that a lot of the data indicating racial proportional equality was falsified. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766559&forum_id=2#34461539) |
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Date: October 17th, 2017 9:17 AM Author: charismatic stain forum Seems like they know theyre going to start losing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766559&forum_id=2#34461340) |
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Date: October 17th, 2017 9:28 AM Author: Walnut gay wizard I write fake articles for a living (practically) and couldn't make this shit up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766559&forum_id=2#34461389) |
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Date: October 17th, 2017 9:32 AM Author: Magical mind-boggling theatre incel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766559&forum_id=2#34461404) |
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Date: October 17th, 2017 9:33 AM Author: Insanely Creepy Nighttime Space (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766559&forum_id=2#34461408) |
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Date: October 17th, 2017 9:56 AM Author: Greedy trailer park faggot firefighter (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766559&forum_id=2#34461553) |
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Date: October 17th, 2017 9:57 AM Author: Ruby wrinkle ape are you as hot as her: https://www.bariawilliams.com/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766559&forum_id=2#34461568) |
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Date: October 17th, 2017 10:06 AM Author: Walnut gay wizard Ljl at the stupid accent marks in her name. And extra ljl at her pretentious master's degrees and other "credentials" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766559&forum_id=2#34461633) |
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Date: October 17th, 2017 10:11 AM Author: heady brilliant crackhouse cumskin Black people can put heavy metal umlauts in their names and you just have to respect that, bigot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766559&forum_id=2#34461659) |
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Date: October 17th, 2017 10:28 AM Author: Snowy hilarious dilemma idea he suggested (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766559&forum_id=2#34461771) |
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Date: October 18th, 2017 5:19 AM Author: cowardly hyperactive theater stage trust fund "Diversity gets people in the door; inclusion keeps them there." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766559&forum_id=2#34468622) |
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Date: October 17th, 2017 9:33 AM Author: Magical mind-boggling theatre incel i can't believe this is reality. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766559&forum_id=2#34461409) |
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Date: October 17th, 2017 9:34 AM Author: Histrionic Plum Locale Turdskin "To be sure, cognitive diversity and viewpoint diversity are important. But working to increase them alone won’t do anything to address the well-documented shortcomings that plague tech companies."
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Date: October 17th, 2017 9:57 AM Author: heady brilliant crackhouse cumskin This is just the well-documented shitlib argumentative tactic of referring to something that "we all agree that..." which isn't proven, "well-documented" or even clearly explained.
But believe me, those tech companies are PLAGUED by these DIVERSITY shortcomings, somehow. |
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Date: October 18th, 2017 5:21 AM Author: cowardly hyperactive theater stage trust fund "Gosh, we are really PLAGUED right now. You know what we need? NI-" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766559&forum_id=2#34468624) |
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Date: October 17th, 2017 9:35 AM Author: Histrionic Plum Locale Turdskin jfc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766559&forum_id=2#34461423) |
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Date: October 17th, 2017 9:43 AM Author: vermilion haunted graveyard I heard some stupid twat on NPR last week that had some hilarious con going on where she was professor emeritus of diversity studies and blackity black blackness, and her focus was race and sports, and she was also some sort of BLM self-appointed spokesperson. She apparently devoted the last year of year life to promoting the idea that Kaepernick is as important a civil rights figure as MLK. They quoted her saying that baseball "just isn't that diverse" because there were only 2-3 black players per team and the NFL and NBA are "much more diverse." This person appears to have made an entire career out of changing the meaning of "diverse" to mean "as black as possible." It's maddening in part because its so blatantly alienating and self defeating. Like what does she think Latinos and Asians are supposed to hear when she says things like that? Could it be anything other than "you are irrelevant?" The smartest thing I've read on here in a while is the bort scholarship on Tanehisi Coates and BLM being a last gasp of identity politics for Blacks with the blatant subtext of their entire program being that they know they will get a worse deal when they can't leverage white guilt to get concessions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766559&forum_id=2#34461476) |
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Date: October 17th, 2017 9:49 AM Author: heady brilliant crackhouse cumskin "This person appears to have made an entire career out of changing the meaning of "diverse" to mean "as black as possible."
'Changing'? That's where you made your first mistake, pumo.
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Date: October 17th, 2017 9:57 AM Author: vermilion haunted graveyard Look I'm old enough to remember the early 90s version of the campus-promoted concept of diversity. Once upon a time it meant the opposite--basically shifting the black/white civil rights paradigm to make people think about all sorts of things that weren't talked about like gayness and the fact that maybe it should matter more to admissions if, say, you were the first person in your family to go to college. In corporate settings, mainly because of scarcity, "diverse" still means "hey you're Asian, uh, can you join this committee so we don't have just a bunch of white people." The idea that "diverse = code for black" is not the popular understanding today, even though everyone recognizes that "diverse"'is a useful euphemism for white people to use when they want to talk about race and not cause SJWs to have panic attacks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766559&forum_id=2#34461563) |
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Date: October 17th, 2017 10:04 AM Author: heady brilliant crackhouse cumskin I remember the 90s too, and "diversity" came along after various court rulings blocked blatant racial quotas. Nobody could really explain what the objective benefits of having a black person around (in a business setting) were back then either and everyone understood it just meant "more blacks". (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766559&forum_id=2#34461619) |
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Date: October 17th, 2017 10:42 AM Author: vermilion haunted graveyard This was a low IQ and unscholarly response. It's quite traceable to Bakke, which held as a specific point of law that quotas in a med school admitted class were no good but Powell joined the libs to approve race as a "factor" in a competitive admissions process. In other words, as of Bakke "diversity" is posited as explicitly "not a quota." And that was '78. By the 90s when race was taking a backseat to gender and gayness, the whole point was "we can all make common cause against straight white males" so the Bakke framework was perfect to unify SJWs under that banner. It's a selfpwn of epic proportions that BLM is now trying to turn "diversity" back into meaning "quota for Blacks only" when the whole multi-decade foundation of SJWism is based on shared victimization at the hands of straight white guys. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766559&forum_id=2#34461831) |
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Date: October 17th, 2017 3:48 PM Author: Saffron Hairraiser Ticket Booth seems like some of the current #BLM-style anger is arising from the fact that the "old ways" aren't working as well. there is actual rejection/pushback from a large section of whites, as opposed to something like the post-LA riots era where even "conservative" politicians intoned gravely that things "had to be done" to "remedy" black anger. nowadays, a lot more people are simply telling them to fuck off, which they don't know how to handle or process. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766559&forum_id=2#34464180) |
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Date: October 18th, 2017 5:01 AM Author: Aggressive University National Security Agency animeboi's status: DONE HERE (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766559&forum_id=2#34468610) |
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Date: October 17th, 2017 9:53 AM Author: Walnut gay wizard I laughed out loud at blackity black blackness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766559&forum_id=2#34461534) |
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Date: October 17th, 2017 9:57 AM Author: Magical mind-boggling theatre incel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766559&forum_id=2#34461571) |
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Date: October 17th, 2017 11:32 AM Author: Cerise school cafeteria (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766559&forum_id=2#34462173) |
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Date: October 17th, 2017 10:45 AM Author: Mauve godawful twinkling uncleanness “The effort to hire people with different points of view must not come at the expense of hiring members of actual underrepresented communities who add tangible, bottom-line value — and who deserve to work in tech as much as anyone.”
LJL @ this conclusory statement. Has there ever been any attempt to quantity racial/gender diversity alone? Isn’t the point of having racial and gender diversity to expand the viewpoints of an organization? If you can expand your viewpoints without sacrificing quality, why force the racial/gender issue?
If someone is the best in their field and able to add value at a place like Google or Apple, those companies will bend over backward to hire them regardless of gender or race. |
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Date: October 17th, 2017 10:49 AM Author: heady brilliant crackhouse cumskin cut&paste:
This is just the well-documented shitlib argumentative tactic of referring to something that "we all agree that..." which isn't proven, "well-documented" or even clearly explained.
But believe me, those tech companies are HURTING for the tangible, bottom line value DIVERSITY brings. |
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Date: October 17th, 2017 11:47 AM Author: appetizing stage Shitliberalism is a religion. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766559&forum_id=2#34462320) |
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Date: October 17th, 2017 11:36 AM Author: Magical mind-boggling theatre incel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766559&forum_id=2#34462214) |
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Date: October 18th, 2017 1:35 PM Author: iridescent flirting place of business hall "Has there ever been any attempt to quantity racial/gender diversity alone?"
Yes there has. By me. I was working on study proposals to help us better understand structural inequalities. I kept getting attacked and told to read all sorts of long papers at which point I would be "educated" into understanding why what I was asking didn't make sense.
I was able to quantify benefits to the quality of professional sports and showed that when parties were free to pursue whatever would best help the teams win they embraced diversity. No one has to force basketball teams to sign black players. |
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Date: October 18th, 2017 4:06 PM Author: Mauve godawful twinkling uncleanness So being forced to hire less qualified, “diverse” employeees is the Google equivalent of thw Golden State Warriors being forced to use up salary cap space on Cherokee Parks? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766559&forum_id=2#34472759) |
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Date: October 17th, 2017 11:24 AM Author: Curious background story "I remember the days of good old-fashioned diversity," zhe said wistfully. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766559&forum_id=2#34462096) |
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Date: October 17th, 2017 11:27 AM Author: Concupiscible Nubile Kitty Couches diversity as means for capturing unique perspectives.
*is forced to admit color of skin is all that matters* |
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Date: October 17th, 2017 11:36 AM Author: Magical mind-boggling theatre incel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766559&forum_id=2#34462219) |
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Date: October 17th, 2017 3:49 PM Author: high-end water buffalo mad cow disease diversity and inclusion! btw only women can claim sexual assault and only blacks can claim police brutality (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766559&forum_id=2#34464186) |