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This boart has really come down hard on agwwg.

lol at the jim kelly hate is this mirrored IRL as well or...
misanthropic crimson depressive national security agency
  10/18/17
it's bizarre but I think JBD had a lot to do with it
Offensive vivacious set athletic conference
  10/18/17
nobody says anything irl. they just look down on the guy
Yellow sweet tailpipe
  10/18/17
do they really? who is they? fellow white men (not jew)?
misanthropic crimson depressive national security agency
  10/18/17
yeah
Yellow sweet tailpipe
  10/18/17
I really don't think they do, but maybe I'm kidding myself. ...
glittery sneaky criminal
  10/19/17
cr
Startled Amethyst Ticket Booth Gunner
  10/19/17
whats a JBD
pearly institution legal warrant
  10/18/17
this psycho spammer who was anti agwwg he mostly focused ...
misanthropic crimson depressive national security agency
  10/18/17
(Guy thats new here)
coral bipolar fanboi
  10/18/17
wtf
up-to-no-good maroon chad
  10/18/17
kill yourself
Offensive vivacious set athletic conference
  10/18/17
why so mean
misanthropic crimson depressive national security agency
  10/18/17
I'm convinced BP is a character developed by a long-time bor...
gaped space
  10/18/17
...
Startled Amethyst Ticket Booth Gunner
  10/19/17
I think DTP's insane ongoing screeds against white women hav...
up-to-no-good maroon chad
  10/18/17
I never thought anything of agwwg until returning to xoxo an...
coral bipolar fanboi
  10/18/17
i think stuff of it but i am asian and both my sister and si...
misanthropic crimson depressive national security agency
  10/18/17
SHARIA THOT PATROL
pearly institution legal warrant
  10/18/17
well one of them lives around a buffalo type area near the g...
misanthropic crimson depressive national security agency
  10/18/17
LOL JIM YOU FAGGOT!
pearly institution legal warrant
  10/18/17
...
Heady vengeful business firm dog poop
  10/18/17
...
Big-titted psychic box office
  10/18/17
Are you married?
coral bipolar fanboi
  10/18/17
I am married agwag.
misanthropic crimson depressive national security agency
  10/18/17
jbd mostly opposed that tho
Yellow sweet tailpipe
  10/18/17
I imagine you only date white as well?
Big-titted psychic box office
  10/18/17
I am married to an azn guy.
misanthropic crimson depressive national security agency
  10/18/17
Lol at marrying a chink
black apoplectic menage
  10/18/17
...
Big-titted psychic box office
  10/18/17
Does your husband think anything of agwwg?
coral bipolar fanboi
  10/18/17
If he does he's never talked about it. Once upon a time h...
misanthropic crimson depressive national security agency
  10/18/17
What are the complications?
Flushed theatre
  10/18/17
white dork so handsome bpm can't control herself at family f...
Yellow sweet tailpipe
  10/18/17
This is probably not all situations but the extended family ...
misanthropic crimson depressive national security agency
  10/18/17
yeah white in-laws wouldn't be seeing each other after the w...
Yellow sweet tailpipe
  10/18/17
alright that's not even agwwg then. my parents and my husban...
misanthropic crimson depressive national security agency
  10/18/17
do you think your sister and sister-in-law have a white guy ...
thriller dead spot giraffe
  10/20/17
(guy who has literally never been to a country with alpha as...
galvanic mischievous dragon
  10/19/17
(every poster)
up-to-no-good maroon chad
  10/19/17
lol
irradiated angry orchestra pit
  10/19/17
...
ultramarine shrine
  10/19/17
Cr. We must secure the destruction of our peoples, and a fu...
Effete rose stag film stain
  10/19/17
...
ultramarine shrine
  10/19/17
...
Olive site
  10/19/17
i'm unironically pro agwwg and wgwag
Effete rose stag film stain
  10/19/17
both end up producing what are effectively azn kids. it's...
Razzmatazz twinkling uncleanness
  10/19/17
...
disrespectful telephone
  10/19/17
...
ultramarine shrine
  10/20/17
...
Startled Amethyst Ticket Booth Gunner
  10/19/17
It only seems natural as we get older and white women declin...
Olive site
  10/19/17
...
ultramarine shrine
  10/19/17
I'm not fixated on them, either, and had never even kissed /...
glittery sneaky criminal
  10/19/17
you're such a fucking woman
Yellow sweet tailpipe
  10/19/17
...
Startled Amethyst Ticket Booth Gunner
  10/19/17
...
ultramarine shrine
  10/19/17
peak example was NUTELLA bragging her husband totally hated ...
Yellow sweet tailpipe
  10/19/17
rofl
low-t green locus
  10/19/17
killing it ITT
Startled Amethyst Ticket Booth Gunner
  10/19/17
my best friend from college, maybe my closest friend in the ...
sable mood brethren
  10/19/17
I mean tbh Jim kelly is right insofar as SF isn't America. ...
Yellow sweet tailpipe
  10/19/17
lol, not wrong
sable mood brethren
  10/19/17
...
laughsome turquoise school
  10/19/17
I got this same reaction from the two friends I'm close enou...
glittery sneaky criminal
  10/19/17
damn thats like actual racism
irradiated angry orchestra pit
  10/19/17
it's sad to see one of your white bros obliterating his fami...
Aquamarine bat shit crazy gay wizard abode
  10/19/17
stuffwhitepeoplelike: being so ashamed of crippling yellow f...
galvanic mischievous dragon
  10/20/17
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9c/eb/23/9ceb23fc65b50c6eb59e...
Racy Wine Deer Antler
  10/19/17
...
Startled Amethyst Ticket Booth Gunner
  10/19/17
Is Jim Kelly Jewish?
motley factory reset button
  10/19/17
He is not.
glittery sneaky criminal
  10/19/17
link? what do you think about my prestigious WGWAG in mot...
spruce cracking hell
  10/19/17
the tide has turned pretty hard against cumskin amerikkkans ...
Yellow sweet tailpipe
  10/20/17
...
spruce cracking hell
  10/20/17


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Date: October 18th, 2017 9:36 AM
Author: misanthropic crimson depressive national security agency

lol at the jim kelly hate

is this mirrored IRL as well or did JBD just really succeed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34469163)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 9:37 AM
Author: Offensive vivacious set athletic conference

it's bizarre but I think JBD had a lot to do with it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34469169)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 9:38 AM
Author: Yellow sweet tailpipe

nobody says anything irl. they just look down on the guy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34469180)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 9:38 AM
Author: misanthropic crimson depressive national security agency

do they really? who is they? fellow white men (not jew)?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34469182)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 9:41 AM
Author: Yellow sweet tailpipe

yeah

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34469207)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 3:48 AM
Author: glittery sneaky criminal

I really don't think they do, but maybe I'm kidding myself.

In the Bay Area, it's so common that it's whatever.

In Buffalo, there are like 300 Asian people total, so they barely exist and no one even understands the xo stereotype of white dorks who can't get a white girl to talk to them pairing off with fob 3-4s.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34477424)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:27 AM
Author: Startled Amethyst Ticket Booth Gunner

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34478777)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 9:38 AM
Author: pearly institution legal warrant

whats a JBD

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34469183)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 9:38 AM
Author: misanthropic crimson depressive national security agency

this psycho spammer who was anti agwwg

he mostly focused on how disgusting asian women are

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34469184)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 9:38 AM
Author: coral bipolar fanboi

(Guy thats new here)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34469185)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 9:39 AM
Author: up-to-no-good maroon chad

wtf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34469189)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 9:41 AM
Author: Offensive vivacious set athletic conference

kill yourself

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34469204)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 9:41 AM
Author: misanthropic crimson depressive national security agency

why so mean

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34469208)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 10:08 AM
Author: gaped space

I'm convinced BP is a character developed by a long-time bort content creator, but the character would have been like 9 when JBD was polluting this place with his mental health problems.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34469455)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 8:09 PM
Author: Startled Amethyst Ticket Booth Gunner



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34482799)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 9:39 AM
Author: up-to-no-good maroon chad

I think DTP's insane ongoing screeds against white women have had a circle-the-wagons effect

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34469187)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 9:40 AM
Author: coral bipolar fanboi

I never thought anything of agwwg until returning to xoxo and reading all the threads about it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34469194)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 9:41 AM
Author: misanthropic crimson depressive national security agency

i think stuff of it but i am asian and both my sister and sister-in-law date/or are married to white folk. it introduces some complications.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34469200)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 9:41 AM
Author: pearly institution legal warrant

SHARIA THOT PATROL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34469210)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 9:42 AM
Author: misanthropic crimson depressive national security agency

well one of them lives around a buffalo type area near the guy's parents. so they've got that over jim kelly. the other's just dating.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34469222)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 9:43 AM
Author: pearly institution legal warrant

LOL JIM YOU FAGGOT!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34469227)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 9:43 AM
Author: Heady vengeful business firm dog poop



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34469236)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 9:43 AM
Author: Big-titted psychic box office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34469238)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 9:44 AM
Author: coral bipolar fanboi

Are you married?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34469240)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 9:44 AM
Author: misanthropic crimson depressive national security agency

I am married agwag.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34469245)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 9:48 AM
Author: Yellow sweet tailpipe

jbd mostly opposed that tho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34469278)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 9:44 AM
Author: Big-titted psychic box office

I imagine you only date white as well?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34469241)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 9:44 AM
Author: misanthropic crimson depressive national security agency

I am married to an azn guy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34469249)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 9:49 AM
Author: black apoplectic menage

Lol at marrying a chink

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34469290)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 9:50 AM
Author: Big-titted psychic box office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34469296)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 9:54 AM
Author: coral bipolar fanboi

Does your husband think anything of agwwg?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34469317)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 9:58 AM
Author: misanthropic crimson depressive national security agency

If he does he's never talked about it.

Once upon a time his dad said something like lol "sister-in-law's name's" boyfriends are all laowai.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34469353)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 9:53 AM
Author: Flushed theatre

What are the complications?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34469311)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 9:55 AM
Author: Yellow sweet tailpipe

white dork so handsome bpm can't control herself at family functions?

birth defects?

mental illness?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34469324)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 9:59 AM
Author: misanthropic crimson depressive national security agency

This is probably not all situations but the extended family (older generation) have issues bonding. My parents talk to and hang out far more easily with my asian in-laws than my sister's white in-laws.

In-law relationships are generally not that close/great amongst white people anyways?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34469360)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 10:01 AM
Author: Yellow sweet tailpipe

yeah white in-laws wouldn't be seeing each other after the wedding

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34469379)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 10:02 AM
Author: misanthropic crimson depressive national security agency

alright that's not even agwwg then. my parents and my husbands' parents have a really good relationship and mutually gift, visit (when we are not there).

they can barely have a convo with my sister's in-laws and it's not an English issue.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34469388)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 12:16 AM
Author: thriller dead spot giraffe

do you think your sister and sister-in-law have a white guy fetish due to western culture brainwashing?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34484599)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 2:33 AM
Author: galvanic mischievous dragon

(guy who has literally never been to a country with alpha asian males)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34477276)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 10:14 AM
Author: up-to-no-good maroon chad

(every poster)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34478235)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 10:23 AM
Author: irradiated angry orchestra pit

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34478291)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 2:37 AM
Author: ultramarine shrine



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34477288)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 3:00 AM
Author: Effete rose stag film stain

Cr. We must secure the destruction of our peoples, and a future for hapa children.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34477326)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 3:11 AM
Author: ultramarine shrine



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34477355)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 3:21 AM
Author: Olive site



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34477368)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 3:22 AM
Author: Effete rose stag film stain

i'm unironically pro agwwg and wgwag

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34477371)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 8:15 PM
Author: Razzmatazz twinkling uncleanness

both end up producing what are effectively azn kids.

it's great. lol @ white people raising azns.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34482845)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 8:44 PM
Author: disrespectful telephone



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34483007)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 12:07 AM
Author: ultramarine shrine



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34484532)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:38 AM
Author: Startled Amethyst Ticket Booth Gunner



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34478847)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 3:17 AM
Author: Olive site

It only seems natural as we get older and white women decline rapidly while Asian girls keep looking young

I'm still hoping for a hapa sweet spot

For the record, I'm not fixated on Asian girls even though everyone thinks I am. It's a product of 1) laziness 2) being in LA where Asian girls are more abundant than I've ever experienced, 2a) every white girl here is complete garbage, and 3) for historical reasons I'm still only on coffee meets bagel and it's just utterly loaded with Asian girls

All my LTRs though my life have been white girls so f u dtp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34477363)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 3:18 AM
Author: ultramarine shrine



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34477365)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 3:52 AM
Author: glittery sneaky criminal

I'm not fixated on them, either, and had never even kissed / dated / considered one before meeting my now-wife. This doesn't matter though and the psychos will brand you as some sort of race-traitor fetishist, just fyi.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34477435)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 10:20 AM
Author: Yellow sweet tailpipe

you're such a fucking woman

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34478266)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:38 AM
Author: Startled Amethyst Ticket Booth Gunner



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34478846)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:27 AM
Author: ultramarine shrine



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34478770)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:29 AM
Author: Yellow sweet tailpipe

peak example was NUTELLA bragging her husband totally hated asians and would have never considered dating one before she swept him off his feet.

oh, what a bald cable repairman chad and totally sane asian woman couple!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34478793)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:33 AM
Author: low-t green locus

rofl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34478823)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:39 AM
Author: Startled Amethyst Ticket Booth Gunner

killing it ITT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34478853)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:35 AM
Author: sable mood brethren

my best friend from college, maybe my closest friend in the world, lives in san francisco and is marrying a korean woman. i kind of can't believe it. i'm not upset, really, just surprised that he would make that decision.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34478835)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:40 AM
Author: Yellow sweet tailpipe

I mean tbh Jim kelly is right insofar as SF isn't America.

like when the Spanish saw their ships ablaze and resigned themselves to new world wives.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34478859)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:45 AM
Author: sable mood brethren

lol, not wrong

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34478887)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 12:10 PM
Author: laughsome turquoise school



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34479040)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:37 PM
Author: glittery sneaky criminal

I got this same reaction from the two friends I'm close enough to IRL to say that outloud to me. Sort of like "never knew you were one of those" because I had no interest prior.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34484293)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:43 PM
Author: irradiated angry orchestra pit

damn thats like actual racism

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34484341)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:41 PM
Author: Aquamarine bat shit crazy gay wizard abode

it's sad to see one of your white bros obliterating his familial line and knowing his kids will be little soulless asian bugmen

it happens sometimes



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34484322)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 2:30 AM
Author: galvanic mischievous dragon

stuffwhitepeoplelike: being so ashamed of crippling yellow fever that they cant even claim their own sons. oh, yes. dont even pretend AGWWG spawn are asian. they are white.

the shame of AGWWG. devastating.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34485258)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:37 AM
Author: Racy Wine Deer Antler

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9c/eb/23/9ceb23fc65b50c6eb59eaf2f3df55f32.jpg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34478842)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:40 AM
Author: Startled Amethyst Ticket Booth Gunner



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34478857)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 8:14 PM
Author: motley factory reset button

Is Jim Kelly Jewish?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34482839)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 8:40 PM
Author: glittery sneaky criminal

He is not.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34482976)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:58 PM
Author: spruce cracking hell

link?

what do you think about my prestigious WGWAG in motherfuckin' Asia?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34484474)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 12:23 AM
Author: Yellow sweet tailpipe

the tide has turned pretty hard against cumskin amerikkkans and their self-hating brides

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34484661)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 2:28 AM
Author: spruce cracking hell



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767473&forum_id=2#34485255)