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STEM Grad Students Will Just Get Paid More If This Tax Bill Passes, Right?
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Date: November 29th, 2017 5:50 PM Author: Stubborn Misunderstood Karate Gay Wizard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34800595) |
Date: November 29th, 2017 5:52 PM Author: Marvelous Sadistic Toilet Seat Cr no way universities would pass the cost on to the students. They’re usually pretty generous with that sort of thing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34800607) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 5:55 PM Author: Stubborn Misunderstood Karate Gay Wizard so, this will likely not harm the stem grad students but will help decimate the useless shitlib departments? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34800626) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 5:56 PM Author: Marvelous Sadistic Toilet Seat No I was being sarcastic. The schools will tell students to take out loans (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34800629) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 6:00 PM Author: Stubborn Misunderstood Karate Gay Wizard nobody competent would go into a stem phd then.
most people going into stem phds could get good jobs out of UG |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 6:01 PM Author: Marvelous Sadistic Toilet Seat Yes and That’s why it is retarded
https://www.wired.com/story/grad-students-are-freaking-out-about-the-gops-tax-plan-they-should-be/ |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 6:03 PM Author: Stubborn Misunderstood Karate Gay Wizard by robbie gonzalez.
cant take a mexican name seriously |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 6:03 PM Author: Marvelous Sadistic Toilet Seat AMANDA COSTON WAS preparing for a meeting with her advisor Monday afternoon when her friend, another first-year PhD student in Carnegie Mellon's machine learning department, (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34800674) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 5:56 PM Author: Laughsome range (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34800630) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 5:58 PM Author: mahogany frisky gas station Not repealed in senate bill. Jerry Moran tweeted his support for keeping it tax free, so unlikely to be in the final bill (but who knows). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34800640) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 6:01 PM Author: Marvelous Sadistic Toilet Seat Good to hear (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34800658) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 5:59 PM Author: fantasy-prone stead cuckoldry They will stop doing whatever accounting practice they are doing that gives the students 50k in 'free' tuition that no one is ever charged. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34800645) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 6:04 PM Author: Marvelous Sadistic Toilet Seat Then what’s the point of the tax? Sounds like it’s poorly thought through at best. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34800677) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 6:07 PM Author: mahogany frisky gas station The house bill repealed a bunch of deductions, since tax wonks love broader bases. However, rather than just lowering rates, they decided to go all in on the estate tax repeal, which seems like a pretty dumb way of getting public support. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34800715) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 6:12 PM Author: Marvelous Sadistic Toilet Seat Yeah this is a compete shit show. Trump and the GOP will be better off if this fails (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34800781) |
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Date: November 30th, 2017 11:56 AM Author: olive point If you actually believe this you are a fucking retard.
If this (overall pretty solid) bill fails to pass they are DONE. |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 6:08 PM Author: Stubborn Misunderstood Karate Gay Wizard it seems like a de vos way to fuck over shitlib higher ed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34800729) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 6:11 PM Author: Marvelous Sadistic Toilet Seat Seems like it’s just going to fuck over students. Particularly the ones unfortunate enough to already be in grad programs. But who cares really? They probably supported Hillary. Fuck them right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34800763) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 6:13 PM Author: Stubborn Misunderstood Karate Gay Wizard nobody else would get gender studies phds then. sounds like a win. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34800784) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 6:13 PM Author: Marvelous Sadistic Toilet Seat Or Machine Learning either. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34800787) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 6:12 PM Author: fantasy-prone stead cuckoldry Well, if you really are getting $20k in tuition waived for teaching, that should be taxed like anything else. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34800770) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 6:13 PM Author: Marvelous Sadistic Toilet Seat Perhaps, but these people can’t actually afford to pay the tax. That is retarded policy imo. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34800785) |
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Date: November 30th, 2017 8:08 AM Author: Excitant splenetic locus They can take out a loan, ask family, or save money prior to grad school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34804511) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 6:14 PM Author: Stubborn Misunderstood Karate Gay Wizard if someone isnt taking classes and theyre just doing research, the concept of a tuition waiver is a total fraudlies scam in the first place. at that point, they're just paid research assistants. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34800791) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 6:14 PM Author: fantasy-prone stead cuckoldry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34800793) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 6:16 PM Author: Marvelous Sadistic Toilet Seat Ok so what about the ones who actually are taking classes. Many do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34800804) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 6:17 PM Author: fantasy-prone stead cuckoldry Then they pay taxes on the services they are receiving as compensation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34800810) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 6:17 PM Author: Marvelous Sadistic Toilet Seat Once again, they can’t afford to pay the tax. Do you not care if they starve? This is like a sick parody of republican tax policy. Let grad students starve to cover the repeal of the estate tax. Interesting take on populism (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34800817) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 6:19 PM Author: fantasy-prone stead cuckoldry Then they can decline the benefit, pay the full tuition, and avoid the tax. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34800825) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 6:21 PM Author: Marvelous Sadistic Toilet Seat Just do 7 years of student loans bro. can’t do that? well we don’t need any more research scientists anyway. What we really need is to make sure Chelsea Clinton isn’t taxed on her inheritance. Lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34800849) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 6:23 PM Author: fantasy-prone stead cuckoldry I don't really know the point you are making. You shouldn't be able to hide from the IRS because you get paid in something that isn't cash.
If going to school for 7 years doesn't make economic sense, it doesn't make economic sense. |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 6:24 PM Author: Stubborn Misunderstood Karate Gay Wizard they're not getting anything. the "tuition" and "classes" are entirely worthless. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34800871) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 6:24 PM Author: Marvelous Sadistic Toilet Seat That’s fine. Voters understand and the GOP will face the consequences if this bill passes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34800872) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 7:30 PM Author: aggressive frum roommate dopamine Do you not care if they thtarve!?!? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34801413) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 6:20 PM Author: Stubborn Misunderstood Karate Gay Wizard the on-paper cost of these "classes" is another scam. they should be valued at $100/unit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34800831) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 6:33 PM Author: multi-colored casino french chef (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34800975) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 6:35 PM Author: Stubborn Misunderstood Karate Gay Wizard AIAS was saying this on-paper tuition cost is a fraudlies tax/transfer from STEM grant money to useless uni administrators. hope he can come itt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34800993) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 6:42 PM Author: white associate look, two simple words. MACHINE. LEARNING. if we don't sink this bill, no one will be able to afford to study MACHINE FUCKING LEARNING, the queen of sciences. therefore america will basically be doomed and republicans will pay a terrible price forever. the electorate may forgive pussygate, even the racist butler -- but they'll never forget this TARGETED ASSAULT ON OUR MACHINE LEARNERS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34801047) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 6:43 PM Author: Marvelous Sadistic Toilet Seat LOL good point! Fuck libs!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34801054) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 6:46 PM Author: white associate you better respond with MACHINE LEARNING 9 or 10 more times or people risk forgetting about how this tax bill will END MACHINE LEARNING FOREVER. basically, all public policy should be viewed through the lens of HOW WILL THIS AFFECT MACHINE LEARNING GRAD STUDENTS IF NO OTHER ACTORS IN THE SYSTEM RESPOND IN ANY WAY -- it's simple common sense. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34801073) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 6:51 PM Author: Marvelous Sadistic Toilet Seat I referenced machine learning because that was in the article I poasted.
I know you feel “trump needs a win”, but this kind of groupthink is really ugly. Embarrassing tbh. This plan is garbage and will cost the GOP severely. May even lead to a trump impeachment trial if we lose the house over it. But at least it hurts libs right |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 6:56 PM Author: white associate "I know you feel “trump needs a win”, but this kind of groupthink is really ugly"
did a machine teach you that? because your posting ITT is robotic AF, i haven't said anything about trump
last time you posted about this, you were making the same bizarre non-sequiturs: "course of study X has great economic value, but no one will do it if it requires student loans. except they WILL take student loans to pay the taxes, and that's just terrible because then no one will do it any more" etc etc etc
look sorry you're going to pay a lot of tax, or possibly get grossed up if your university decides your labor is worth paying for; either way, no reason that MACHINE LEARNING should be the issue in settling this tax policy one way or another |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 6:58 PM Author: Marvelous Sadistic Toilet Seat I’m actually looking at a small and somewhat meaningless tax cut from this plan. Doesn’t make it good policy tho (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34801157) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 6:59 PM Author: white associate unprincipled exceptions in the tax code are bad policy. if AIAS is right and paper tuition is a scheme for milking grants, it should be abolished anyway. if this policy forces universities to decide between productive STEM grad students and armies of shitlib activists, so much the better. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34801164) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 7:00 PM Author: Stubborn Misunderstood Karate Gay Wizard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34801177) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 7:02 PM Author: Marvelous Sadistic Toilet Seat Most of the shitlibs are already paying full freight for their phds.
And if you truly believe this tax plan is going to result in *fewer* shit lib activists... well let’s just say I doubt I’d be able to persuade you either way |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 7:05 PM Author: white associate "Most of the shitlibs are already paying full freight for their phds."
former grad student union exec board here. no they aren't, something like 95% of all of our grad students received tuition + stipend. professional degrees excluded obvs
"well let’s just say I doubt I’d be able to persuade you either way"
let's just say this is shit-tier reddit writing by a guy who has yet to make a solid point. |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 7:06 PM Author: Stubborn Misunderstood Karate Gay Wizard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34801231) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 7:07 PM Author: Marvelous Sadistic Toilet Seat That’s good for your school. Most PhD students don’t get that. I know plenty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34801246) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 7:05 PM Author: Stubborn Misunderstood Karate Gay Wizard almost NOBODY pays full freight for a phd at any halfway decent uni (as opposed to a masters). wtf are you talking about? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34801228) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 7:06 PM Author: Marvelous Sadistic Toilet Seat False. Most pay tuition (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34801232) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 7:06 PM Author: Stubborn Misunderstood Karate Gay Wizard you just got outed as an idiot, breh. quit while you're ahead. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34801238) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 7:08 PM Author: multi-colored casino french chef (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34801250) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 7:09 PM Author: white associate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34801255) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 7:10 PM Author: Marvelous Sadistic Toilet Seat Says the guy who thinks taxing students to offset tax cuts on ultra wealthy heirs is good policy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34801262) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 7:12 PM Author: Stubborn Misunderstood Karate Gay Wizard you're going to double down on this? just quit breh. this is a factual matter, not a matter of policy/ideology. phd students dont pay tuition out of pocket. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34801272) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 7:18 PM Author: Marvelous Sadistic Toilet Seat Wrong. The groupthink itt is frightening (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34801315) |
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Date: November 30th, 2017 10:55 AM Author: Stubborn Misunderstood Karate Gay Wizard there's no groupthink. you're just an idiot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34805241) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 7:13 PM Author: white associate how do you respond to this, from the wapo by a yale grad student in stem? tl;dr, AIAS is completely right and paper tuition is a vehicle for universities to charge money to funding agencies
"Like grants, tuition is another way the university makes money from science. While tuition looks mainly like an artifact of accounting for most graduate students in the humanities and social sciences (where the university just pays itself for tuition), in the natural and applied sciences, tuition is a way for the university administration to get more money out of the public. As the university bulletin explains, “for a standard [research assistant] appointment in addition to the salary, the grant pays half of the tuition.” In other words, the government — through the National Science Foundation, NIH, NASA and other agencies — is transferring $20,500 per year per research assistant into Yale’s accounts..." |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 7:13 PM Author: Stubborn Misunderstood Karate Gay Wizard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34801286) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 7:14 PM Author: Marvelous Sadistic Toilet Seat Yeah man Music and dance/lib arts PhD students are getting NIH research grants great point. W/e I’m out (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34801288) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 7:15 PM Author: white associate you know who gets NIH grants? people studying MACHINE LEARNING. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34801298) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 7:15 PM Author: Marvelous Sadistic Toilet Seat Wait but you said every PhD student gets full grants and I was retarded for thinking otherwise. Is NASA funding women’s studies now or (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34801301) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 7:24 PM Author: white associate i can't follow what you're saying because you keep changing your story. at first, you were saying that there will be harms to machine learning. now you're arguing that no activist majors pay full tuition and trying to use music and dance to make your point.
actually, you're not ever right in your ridiculous cherry-picked non sequitur, because i happen to know that, in music, DMAs (professional track) typically pay tuition while musicology and music theory ph.ds (research track) do not. |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 7:25 PM Author: Stubborn Misunderstood Karate Gay Wizard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34801366) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 7:28 PM Author: Marvelous Sadistic Toilet Seat I never said “no activist majors pay tuition”. Most do, some don’t. Scholarships are available but very competitive.
There will be harm to STEM bc they don’t pay tuition. |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 7:30 PM Author: white associate "Most do, some don’t."
no, most ph.d track students don't pay tuition. this is distinct from the question of whether they are receiving grants. getting a no-tuition package as a ph.d student either means you are an international buying a degree or you're getting a cold offer and will get bounced in 18 months, probably before your comps.
my wife has a libarts ph.d and she never received funding or paid tuition. like, you're just fucking WRONG here. |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 7:31 PM Author: Stubborn Misunderstood Karate Gay Wizard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34801419) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 7:36 PM Author: Marvelous Sadistic Toilet Seat w/e (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34801465) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 7:19 PM Author: Stubborn Misunderstood Karate Gay Wizard NSF gives money in all sorts of libarts fields dumbo
https://www.nsfgrfp.org/applicants/application_components/choosing_primary_field |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 7:21 PM Author: Marvelous Sadistic Toilet Seat Not liberal or fine arts. At least not on that link. There are grants available, but most don’t get them. You said this would cut back on liberal artists, how does that work if they’re already paying tuition. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34801336) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 7:22 PM Author: Stubborn Misunderstood Karate Gay Wizard poli sci, communications, sociology etc are all on there.
libarts phd students have a hard time getting good funding. stop moving the goalpoasts. |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 7:23 PM Author: Marvelous Sadistic Toilet Seat Lol you’re the one moving goal poasts. You said ALL phds get funding. That’s wrong. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34801351) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 7:26 PM Author: white associate actually, i said that 95% of ph.ds got funding at my school, and i made that an issue because you bizarrely argued that most ppl in activist majors paid full freight. libarts ppl tend not to pay tuition even if they have shitty funding -- they just live like superpoors because they have no grants. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34801369) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 7:31 PM Author: Marvelous Sadistic Toilet Seat so how would taxing grants impact liberal arts people? which is the main rationale itt for why this plan is a good idea (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34801417) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 7:35 PM Author: white associate the proposal is to tax tuition, not grants. try to keep up.
if their paper tuition were taxed, libarts dorks would get a tax bill they couldn't pay, forcing them to drop out (or borrow moar, lulz). universities would have to choose btw revenue-generating STEM students, who are worth keeping even at the cost of a gross-up, and useless libarts dirtbags.
we know universities would be unwilling to gross libarts losers up because as it is universities won't even pay for respectable stipends. they would have to cut back drastically on libarts grad depts, which is good b/c most of them are full of 12th-year freaks who have been dissertating since the bush administration. |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 7:37 PM Author: Marvelous Sadistic Toilet Seat "libarts dorks would get a tax bill they couldn't pay, forcing them to drop out (or borrow moar, lulz"
and you think this would result in fewer shitlibs. ok man |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 7:39 PM Author: white associate of course it would. the shitlib reserve army depends on having lots of underemployed grad students available. many departments are 100% shitlib activism. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34801490) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 7:40 PM Author: Marvelous Sadistic Toilet Seat they'd just be even more pissed off and blame republicans. People who go into these programs are already shitlibs. They aren't all of a sudden going to become conservaheros because trump raised their taxes so he could cut taxes on heirs and heiress. Republican attacks on education is the kind of thing that creates liberals more than anything (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34801507) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 7:42 PM Author: white associate when did we start talking about this instead of MACHINE LEARNING anyway? are you no longer concerned that no one will go into MACHINE LEARNING?
"People who go into these programs are already shitlibs"
ok, so fuck 'em. better to kick them out to a job at gamestop than keep them malingering around some useless communications dept till they're 45. |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 7:47 PM Author: Marvelous Sadistic Toilet Seat no one's going to want to take out loans to pay taxes on a graduate degree. schools will pass the costs on to students like they always do, that hasn't changed. obviously this will impact enrollment, as you said that's the entire point.
yeah man fuck libs. especially the ones in the middle of a degree program. |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 9:57 PM Author: white associate "no one's going to want to take out loans to pay taxes on a graduate degree"
did you miss the part where i said multiple times that worthwhile degrees would be grossed up? you're not going to fire labs that bring in grants.
"yeah man fuck libs. especially the ones in the middle of a degree program."
you're doing a poor job of pretending to not be MAF. we don't need professional students hanging out in badly funded humanities programs. we certainly don't need to carve out some weird exception in the tax code to enable their dysfunctionality. |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 10:08 PM Author: Stubborn Misunderstood Karate Gay Wizard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34802764) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 7:37 PM Author: Stubborn Misunderstood Karate Gay Wizard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34801479) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 7:26 PM Author: Stubborn Misunderstood Karate Gay Wizard i said almost all, dummie. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34801370) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 7:28 PM Author: Marvelous Sadistic Toilet Seat Ok you said 95%, which is still wrong (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34801388) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 7:12 PM Author: fantasy-prone stead cuckoldry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34801275) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 7:03 PM Author: Stubborn Misunderstood Karate Gay Wizard also, as i understand it from AIAS, paper tuition is a direct transfer of govt funds to shitlib administrators. basically, NSF has to give say an 80K grant to fund a stem phd student for a year bc the govt is taking 50K in paper tuition, and the student is only getting 30K as a stipend. if we end this paper tuition scam, govt funds wouldnt be going to uni admins in the first place.
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Date: November 29th, 2017 7:05 PM Author: white associate MACHINE LEARNING (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34801222) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 6:44 PM Author: multi-colored casino french chef (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34801061) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 6:24 PM Author: hateful grizzly ape fuck this. free tuition is income.
if the students cant afford to pay taxes on their slave wages, make the fucking schools pay for it. |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 6:26 PM Author: Stubborn Misunderstood Karate Gay Wizard that's the point, and that's why i think this is a good thing for the anti-lib agenda. the schools will pay the taxes on it for stem grad students and gross-up the stipends bc they produce value for the schools. for useless shitlib departments, they'll be budget crunched and wont be able to afford to gross-up their stipends. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34800907) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 6:27 PM Author: hateful grizzly ape and while we are at it, tax the fucking endowments every year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34800917) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 6:27 PM Author: Marvelous Sadistic Toilet Seat Well that makes a lot more sense than what they’re actually doing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34800927) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 6:30 PM Author: Stubborn Misunderstood Karate Gay Wizard and take away their non-profit status (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34800953) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 9:12 PM Author: galvanic newt base "free tuition is income."
Could be.
But sticker price is the wrong imputed value. |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 9:15 PM Author: Stubborn Misunderstood Karate Gay Wizard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34802325) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 6:40 PM Author: cracking senate remember these are the same kind of fuckers who want to enforce sales taxes on garage sales (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34801034) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 6:41 PM Author: Stubborn Misunderstood Karate Gay Wizard wtf are you babbling about? there's no way state govts have the manpower to enforce sales tax on garage sales. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34801040) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 6:44 PM Author: cracking senate yeah like the IRS has the man power to enforce every tax law (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34801060) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 6:46 PM Author: Stubborn Misunderstood Karate Gay Wizard this one is easy as fuck to enforce. universities will have to report the tuition benefit on grad students' W-2's. universities have every incentive to comply.
again, wtf are you babbling about? |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 6:45 PM Author: cracking senate lets not tax educators either *roll eyes* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34801071) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 7:50 PM Author: nighttime claret stag film idiot Can someone explain what, if anything, prevents universities from just charging 0 or a nominal fee for grad school instead of "charging" 50k and waiving it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34801578) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 7:58 PM Author: Stubborn Misunderstood Karate Gay Wizard nothing. as mentioned above, paper tuition is a scam for uni administrators to siphon grant money -- a lot of which is federal money from the taxpayers -- out of the hands of stem departments and into their kike pockets. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34801651) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 8:17 PM Author: nighttime claret stag film idiot How is this siphoning effectuated and how does it transfer money between departments? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34801849) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 8:21 PM Author: Stubborn Misunderstood Karate Gay Wizard without the paper tuition scam, nsf would need to give the uni 30k so it can pay a grad student's stipend for the year.
with the paper tution scam, the nsf pays the uni 70k, 30k of which it uses to pay the grad student's stipend and 40k of which it siphons for itself as covering the grad student's "tuition" even though they aren't taking any classes.
making these exact #s up, but you get the point. |
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Date: November 30th, 2017 9:22 AM Author: multi-colored casino french chef You're doing god's work in this thread bro.
I just want to add that the benefit of this change isn't to raise any actual tax money. It's to do something, however small, to get colleges under control and bring their accounting in line with reality. |
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Date: November 30th, 2017 10:56 AM Author: Stubborn Misunderstood Karate Gay Wizard cr. as i said upthread, this change is an attack on liberal academia that hopefully came from devos type think tank geeks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34805248) |
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Date: November 30th, 2017 11:13 AM Author: nighttime claret stag film idiot I guess I get it in theory, but isn't the real issue that the universities are bilking NSF rather than anything to do with taxes? I also don't see how this is somehow stem vs humanities. Do they not both get funding from NSF?
Anyway, I think it's a fundamental tax principal that people should pay taxes on "income" even if the income isn't money, so I think it makes sense, but it sounds like the whole issue as you portrayed it is about defrauding NSF and not about taxes.
I have no doubt there are people smart enough to structure around this though, so ultimately it probably won't do anything. |
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Date: November 30th, 2017 11:17 AM Author: Stubborn Misunderstood Karate Gay Wizard first, it's not just NSF. there are is overall way the fuck more funding for STEM than than shitlib subjects when you consider all govt sources (nsf, nasa, nih, etc.) and private foundations.
but yes, ONE big issue is the unis bilking these grants. another big issues is these shitlib departments that need to be run out of town.
i agree, it would be easy to structure around this. this whole controversy is liberal anti-trump hysteria. |
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Date: November 30th, 2017 11:50 AM Author: nighttime claret stag film idiot I assume this is just red meat for the base that hates lib colleges.
But I still am completely blank on what you think the stem/humanities distinction is. Like how does this affect African Studies more than MACHINE LEARNING? |
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Date: November 30th, 2017 1:42 PM Author: Stubborn Misunderstood Karate Gay Wizard tbh i dont know wtf machine learning is, but this obv affects nig studies more than real stem subjects bc 1) there is much less grant money for shitlib subjects, and 2) shitlib phd students dont have options whereas stem phd students do have options to get good jobs out of UG and would never go into a phd program if the pay were so bad. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34806382) |