The most prestigious law school admissions discussion board in the world.
|
 |
 
|
Not a college football fan, but how can one argue Alabama as a playoff team?
Poast new message in this thread
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:21 PM Author: twinkling parlor Isn't this one of the failings of the conference championship game?
Auburn just beat Alabama, and then got crushed by Georgia.
Doesn't Alabama have a HUGE advantage over other teams by not having to play a conference championship game? |
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:31 PM Author: Brass Chad if you want the "four best teams" in the playoff, how can you argue against them being in it? Assuming (as we have seen a few times now) that the committee doesn't view being in the conference championship game as being a pre-req to this. Alabama has one loss on the road to a very strong team, who lost to a stronger team in the championship game. Alabama has one loss. No other team outside of the 4 chosen really has an argument over Alabama.
|
 |
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:36 PM Author: supple center Football isnt figure skating, one teams ability can only be evaluated when taking into account their opponent.
Alabama’s opponents this year were not good teams. The only good team they played resulted in a loss.
Just recognize that Alabama got in because they are Alabama, not because there is suifficjent evidence to support then being one of the four best teams. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:38 PM Author: Spectacular poppy crotch juggernaut Maybe they got in because they're Bama but if they do well then it will be justified (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836124) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:10 PM Author: tripping casino digit ratio post hoc ergo propter hoc, eh? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836458) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:38 PM Author: lascivious point So they should have let the Buckeyes take a swing because they're the more obvious choice?
How is there a better argument for tOSU than Bama? |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:42 PM Author: supple center Buckeyes not deserving this year. You cant lose to a 7 win Iowa team thet badly and expect to get in, especially after having already lost to Oklahoma.
This would have been a good year to put in someone other than Alabama or OSU since both were deserving. One loss Wisco had the same argument as Bama. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:44 PM Author: twinkling parlor I agree. If I'm Wisconsin, my argument is that i have the same number of losses but i had to play a conf championship game whereas Alabama got to sit home and avoid Georgia.
how is that not valid? |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:46 PM Author: supple center Because Bama is Bama.
I just want people to be honest and admit that Bama is in because of their brand, not because they are clearly one of the four best teams |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 3:23 PM Author: seedy hospital their brand wasnt handed to them. its the result of a lot of winning. ohio state otoh got shut out in the playoff last year. the choice was easy. and every agrees (all three polls had bama 4th) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837607) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:57 PM Author: boyish church building wisconsin had a much easier schedule than Alabama. avoided the top 3 B1G teams until the championship game, and got all their "tough" B1G opponents at home. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836863) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 2:04 PM Author: twinkling parlor Let's assume there are no conference championship games.
Who is in the playoff today, Alabama, Wisconsin, neither or both?
If your answer is Wisconsin, why do any of your points matter? |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 2:17 PM Author: boyish church building I don't think you can just assume away the conference championship just because wisconsin had to play it and alabama didn't. the conference championship is an opportunity but also a risk. A win is a big boost and worth more than a reg season win against the same team, and a loss, while being better than a reg season loss against the same team, still hurts you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837023) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 2:23 PM Author: twinkling parlor i hear you, but all of your points refer to the reg season. all i'm saying that assuming no conf championship game, you'd likely have Wisconsin in and Alabama out.
And which is worse, a reg season loss to a 2-loss team, or a conf championship loss to a 2-loss team?
finally, i know the conf championship game is a risk -- that's my point. Alabama avoided that risk entirely. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 2:55 PM Author: lascivious point Yeah you can't wage any kind of argument for tOSU if you're going to bitch about Bama's SoS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837325) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:51 PM Author: Amber diverse azn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836264) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:58 PM Author: high-end vigorous windowlicker newt Wait, who did Wisconsin beat? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836348) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:59 PM Author: twinkling parlor They went 12-0 in a power conference and Alabama took a loss. They are de facto ahead of Alabama. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836359) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:01 PM Author: high-end vigorous windowlicker newt They went 12-1 and Bama went 11-1.
Did Wisconsin beat any ranked teams that are still ranked? |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:05 PM Author: supple center One, compared to two for alabama. Neither have wins against teams in top 15 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836415) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:11 PM Author: high-end vigorous windowlicker newt Okay so then Wisconsin doesn't really have an argument then. Bama has a better loss as well as having more top 25 wins. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836468) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:13 PM Author: twinkling parlor but, again, they also avoided playing top 5 Georgia.
i agree they should be in if they play and win that game. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:15 PM Author: high-end vigorous windowlicker newt Yeah it was lucky for them. But same thing happened with OSU last year. And Bama also had to go on the road and play a game 5x as hard as any game Wisconsin played all year.
It's not a perfect system. But no one wants a perfect system. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 2:45 PM Author: Yapping orchestra pit How does Bama have a "better loss?" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837224) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 2:49 PM Author: high-end vigorous windowlicker newt Playing at Auburn is much tougher than playing Ohio State on a neutral field. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837264) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 2:58 PM Author: Yapping orchestra pit I don't buy that. Losing by 12 to a 3-loss Auburn team (who got beaten by 21 in the SEC championship) isn't a "better loss" than losing by 6 to 2-loss Ohio St. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837354) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 2:59 PM Author: twinkling parlor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837366) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 3:07 PM Author: high-end vigorous windowlicker newt The problem is you are counting those losses as equal.
They aren't. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 3:08 PM Author: twinkling parlor To be fair,
I think that's exactly his point. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 3:17 PM Author: Yapping orchestra pit Actually, I'm counting the loss by 12 to Auburn as worse than the loss by 6 to Ohio St. in the championship.
Your problem is, you are reasoning backward from the proposition that SEC teams (particularly Auburn) are inherently better than non-SEC teams, when they aren't. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 3:53 PM Author: high-end vigorous windowlicker newt Eh. Bowl games, especially big ones, the last 15 years say otherwise. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837910) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 4:07 PM Author: Yapping orchestra pit If that's the basis, then it's cool to say so. But the SEC had a losing record last year and this year against Power 5/ACC teams. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34838055) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:47 PM Author: pontificating round eye they got destroyed by 3-loss Auburn, looked very pedestrian against Miss St and didn't convincingly beat 6-6 FSU or #17 LSU their "best" win. The only games they dominated were against teams with losing records. If Missouri had the same results this year as Alabama do you think this would be a discussion? They are in on name and rep only. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836228) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:52 PM Author: Brass Chad any team that goes one-loss in the SEC would be considered this year. Like it or not the SEC has a bias toward it in these situations (mostly due to a history of success) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836284) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:16 PM Author: twinkling parlor well if they keep getting 2 teams in it's a good recipe for success (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836520) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:33 PM Author: Puce aphrodisiac shrine I am pissed they got in.
They really need to punish teams for playing TTT schedules.
SEC is not what it was 8 years ago. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:36 PM Author: supple center Would have loved to see UCF get in this year because it would make for a good underdog story. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836110) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:38 PM Author: Spectacular poppy crotch juggernaut UCF were in the fight of their lives vs fucking Memphis (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836129) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:38 PM Author: Puce aphrodisiac shrine Flame.
Honestly -- the reason i'm not really that pissed, is because I think NO TEAMS had a good claim for #4.
They should have just had a 3 team playoff with Clemson gettting a bye., |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:39 PM Author: seedy hospital what if they win it all. does that validate them getting in? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836137) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:43 PM Author: twinkling parlor eh, not really because it's only 4 teams and small sample size.
you could put in 3-loss auburn and they could win it. would that validate them as being a playoff team? |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:42 PM Author: Brass Chad their "TTT" schedule is about the same as it ever was. SEC West just isn't quite as good right now as it used to be, in other years it was insane (Bama, Auburn, LSU, sometimes A&M and Ole Miss). Part of playing in the SEC. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836184) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:49 PM Author: pontificating round eye so, in a down year the conference deserves 50% of the slots in a playoff? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836240) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:59 PM Author: high-end vigorous windowlicker newt yes. The conference is THAT good (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836360) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:06 PM Author: Drunken feces (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836425) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 2:09 PM Author: pontificating round eye The sec is terrible this year. Even sec homers admit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836959) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:36 PM Author: seedy hospital this is why conference championships are flame. Alabama never got to play for a conference championship simply because Auburn is in their division. If Auburn was in the SEC East then Alabama would have played for a conference championship. The fact that they didn't doesn't mean Georgia is better than Alabama. it just means Georgia is in a different division. its that dumb and its one of the reason conference championships should be given no consideration. its true that your top 4 teams will often incidentally be conference champs, and whether a team wins or loses to their conference championship game opponent should be given consideration. but the fact that a 1-loss team didn't play for their conference championship should be disregarded completely. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836102) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:37 PM Author: ocher talented useless brakes son of senegal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836121) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:39 PM Author: supple center Just do reward teams for fortuitous losses (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836134) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:40 PM Author: Spectacular poppy crotch juggernaut just do don't penalize teams for two blowout losses (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836144) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:51 PM Author: supple center I havent once argued for tOSU’s inclusion in the past two days, so not sure how this is relevant. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836270) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:00 PM Author: high-end vigorous windowlicker newt That's a cop out. By arguing Alabama shouldn't be in, you are arguing someone else should have been.
Who? |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:07 PM Author: supple center In a year where there was no clear #4, go outside the obvious - USC, UCF (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836427) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:12 PM Author: high-end vigorous windowlicker newt Why? They established last year, for OSU's benefit, that a conference championship isn't a deciding factor.
Bama has better wins and SOS than UCF (by a lot), and better wins and less losses than Socal. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 2:48 PM Author: Yapping orchestra pit USC does not deserve it. Wisconsin is a better argument. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837252) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 2:54 PM Author: irradiated forum The ND loss was shameful. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837314) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:53 PM Author: Amber diverse azn no one's arguing tosu should be in the playoffs itt. seems pretty clear after the iowa loss. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836294) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:57 PM Author: twinkling parlor cr, idk why everyone is making my thread an OSU thread? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836338) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:02 PM Author: high-end vigorous windowlicker newt Because they are ranked behind Bama and would have gotten in had Bama not.
The impetus is on you to argue who should have made it over Bama. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:17 PM Author: Dashing fantasy-prone school cafeteria they are assuming that arguments against Bama are for tttOSU. I hate both teams so the only thing that brings me joy is that the tttOSU fans must be absolutely outraged and despondent now. The only fans who lack perspective more than tttOSU fans are Notre Dame and TTTexas fans. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836532) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:19 PM Author: twinkling parlor speaking from a non-CFB fan perspective, I'm not sure how one could argue OSU over Bama as Bama finished its regular season with 1 loss while OSU had 2. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836554) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:20 PM Author: Dashing fantasy-prone school cafeteria conference championship is about the only way you can. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836560) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:23 PM Author: twinkling parlor but then you can make the opposite argument as i'm making, but equally valid: that OSU had an extra loss but got the opportunity to play another game to earn style points. why would a bama team with fewer losses not have that potential benefit? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836582) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:41 PM Author: seedy hospital you don't reward teams for losses. you ask whether losing 1 reasonably close game to a top team makes them better than a team that had two losses, one a blowout to a shit team. everyone (Playoff committee, AP, Coaches) agree that Alabama was the more deserving team. plus nobody wants to see a shitty big ten team get shutout in the playoff again. that's bad for fans and bad for the sport. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836163) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:54 PM Author: supple center They lost to the only good oppnent they played all year, just like Wisconsin. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836301) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:03 PM Author: high-end vigorous windowlicker newt Alabama has betters wins than Wisconsin. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836398) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:09 PM Author: supple center Signature wins: 9-3 LSU, 8-4 MST vs 9-3 Northwestern
Not exactly an open-and-shut case |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:12 PM Author: high-end vigorous windowlicker newt uh. Yes it is.
And committee also factored in the win over no. 3 FSU before FSU lost their QB and tanked. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:41 PM Author: twinkling parlor >> its retarded and its one of the reason conference championships should be given no consideration. <<
i'd agree with that if you made it both ways (i.e. neither a win nor a loss mattered).
>> but the fact that a 1-loss team didn't play for their conference championship should be disregarded completely. <<
to me, the biggest issue is that they avoided playing a tough team and taking a potential loss.
like, if the Big 10 didn't have a conf championship game, Wisconsin would be in the playoff, right?
|
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:45 PM Author: Brass Chad yes, and due to Wiscy's record it would be hard to argue them not being in. I agree its a flawed system, but under the current way, I think the proper teams are in the playoff. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836207) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:46 PM Author: twinkling parlor that's because you're a Bama fan though.
i'm a pretty neutral observer as i can't tell you the last time i've watched a college football game (it has been years), but being able to avoid playing a top 5 team seems pretty fucking favorable, no? |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:50 PM Author: supple center Extremely. Saban loves to talk about the strength of the SEC, but the emperor has no clothes. The SEC is garbage this year outside Auburn, UGA, and Bama.
They lost to one and avoided the other. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:59 PM Author: Brass Chad protip - Auburn, UGA, and Bama are arguably three of the best 5 teams in the country (Clemson clearly up there too). That's nothing to scoff at. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836356) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:06 PM Author: supple center Right, but how does bama losing to one and avoiding the other help their case? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836420) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:09 PM Author: Brass Chad honestly, because UGA and Bama haven't played each other yet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836453) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:14 PM Author: twinkling parlor so there you go. they lose which causes them to avoid playing Georgia and they get rewarded with a playoff spot! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836501) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:19 PM Author: Dashing fantasy-prone school cafeteria yeah but they eventually have to play them. I have a hard time getting worked up about this unless it results in them actually dodging a bad matchup. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836548) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:21 PM Author: twinkling parlor don't they technically not have to play them? Bama could beat OU in the final?
and i suppose you could say "bama is better!", but don't matchups matter? |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:28 PM Author: Dashing fantasy-prone school cafeteria dude, who the fuck cares if Georgia loses to someone else? The whole reason people got upset back in the day about shit like this is that you could have some fraud Notre Dame or Iowa type team cruise into the NCG without ever getting tested. As long as they have to play two real teams in the playoff, why get excited? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836620) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:31 PM Author: twinkling parlor i don't. again, i don't watch CFB. i just find it extraordinarily odd that a team can lose to its rival and miss out on the conf championship game, and then BENEFIT from not playing for a conference championship. that's bizarre to me as a sports fan. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836640) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:33 PM Author: Dashing fantasy-prone school cafeteria they are only benefiting because there is no other undefeated power 5 conference team around. Just think of it like a wildcard slot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836649) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:35 PM Author: twinkling parlor but there is another power 5 team that finished the regular season undefeated and would have won the wild card... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836666) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:38 PM Author: Dashing fantasy-prone school cafeteria ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836705) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:42 PM Author: twinkling parlor remember, Alabama avoided playing a top level team in a conf championship game.
Wisconsin had to go out and play one. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:54 PM Author: high-end vigorous windowlicker newt Alabama had to play Auburn on road. 2x harder than any game Wisconsin played. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836836) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:45 PM Author: smoky electric site Georgia won it's division, so it is better than Bama. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836760) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:40 PM Author: Cowardly Green Pisswyrm Ticket Booth tttOSU fans done here The butthurt from these fags is off the charts. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:41 PM Author: twinkling parlor i'm not a tOSU fan brother. i don't even really watch college football. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836167) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:43 PM Author: supple center lol @ this.
Just because you argue Bama getting in was bullshit, doesnt mean you favor tOSU going |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:12 PM Author: seedy hospital yes it does. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836479) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:41 PM Author: Cowardly Green Pisswyrm Ticket Booth We're hitting levels of tttOSU ass blasting that shouldn't be possible (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836159) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:41 PM Author: startled very tactful nowag trump supporter Alabama did not lose to Iowa by 40 points (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836160) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:42 PM Author: seedy hospital also, the committee took a chance on OSU last year and they couldn't even score a fucking field goal through 4 quarters of play. nobody wants to waste a playoff spot on a shitty team like that again. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836182) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:43 PM Author: Spectacular poppy crotch juggernaut (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836192) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:44 PM Author: supple center Weird that Wiscnsin had the same argument as Bama to get in? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836202) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:49 PM Author: seedy hospital why is that weird in the least? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836244) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:52 PM Author: supple center Becasue its not considered or even discussed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836276) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:27 PM Author: Cowardly Green Pisswyrm Ticket Booth Because WI is trash. Not difficult to understand. Does anyone think Wisconsin could beat Alabama in a play off game? Or tttOSU could even come close?
|
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:33 PM Author: Dashing fantasy-prone school cafeteria cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836653) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:45 PM Author: irradiated forum Real talk: Clemson and Alabama are the two best teams in college football and it's 180 that they are going to play in the playoffs.
Real talk: we should be all thanking tOSU for exposing fraud Wisconsin hence kicking them out of the playoffs, Alabama is the only team in the country that has talent to beat Clemson. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:48 PM Author: supple center Yeah, Bamas talent has been on display all season against Tenn, Arkansas, LSU, Mercer, and Ole Miss. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836233) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:02 PM Author: irradiated forum 1. Alabama had a harder schedule than Wisconsin.
2. Alabama is objectively the best football program over the past five years or so. Past seasons count in CFB, it sucks, but that's the way this works. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:05 PM Author: twinkling parlor lmao how can you guys watch this shit without laughing?
1. um we think Alabama's schedule might be a little tougher than Wisconsin's
2. none of the same guys are around, but 3 years ago Alabama was pretty good!
lol, jfc what a retarded sport |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:10 PM Author: irradiated forum Alabama won the title 2 years ago, and would have won last year as well but-for Deshean Watson's balls out last minute heroics (& Hunter Renfrow). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836459) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:11 PM Author: twinkling parlor who cares? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836469) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:12 PM Author: irradiated forum AP voters (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836485) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:15 PM Author: twinkling parlor what a truly retarded "sport" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836513) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:27 PM Author: high-end vigorous windowlicker newt Nah it's the only chill, fratty team sport left (besides MLB).
Sorry you went to Hamilton bro |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:11 PM Author: Brass Chad Alabama made it to the championship game last year and played well (4 point loss), and won it the year before that. They were "pretty good" the last two years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836473) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:46 PM Author: narrow-minded garrison mental disorder I'm an Ohio State fan,
but I have a hard time having a problem with this
its seems like pretty similar to how Ohio State got in last year instead of Penn State
I actually think that Penn State had a better argument last year than Ohio State does this year, they beat Ohio State head to head |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:48 PM Author: twinkling parlor How does Wisconsin not have the better argument? They finished the regular season undefeated, and lost a close game to a top-10 team in a conf championship, whereas Alabama didn't play for theirs.
Isn't it a huge benefit to be able to avoid playing Georgia? |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:50 PM Author: pontificating round eye Wisconsin has a stronger resume, so does UCF, USC and probably a few other teams. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836259) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:06 PM Author: high-end vigorous windowlicker newt No they don't. Why is USC's better over Bama.
Don't use the dumb "conference championship" thing. Bama would have easily won PAC 12. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:51 PM Author: smoky electric site Bama is 0-1 against decent teams. By this history, both Washington schools, USC, Utah, a healthy Oregon would demolish Bama. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836809) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:54 PM Author: high-end vigorous windowlicker newt LJL MSU and LSU are just as good as good as Stanford and are on level of all other teams you mentioned.
Auburn would destroy any other team you mentioned. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:59 PM Author: smoky electric site If Auburn is so good, why does it lose a third of it's games while playing in a weak conference? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836883) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 2:48 PM Author: high-end vigorous windowlicker newt It lost less than a 4th.
One was on road vs number 1 team ljl. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 2:50 PM Author: pontificating round eye Forgot, road losses don't count! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837285) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 3:54 PM Author: high-end vigorous windowlicker newt they do but it's definitely taken into consideration when determining the importance of the loss (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837928) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 2:41 PM Author: pontificating round eye LSU lost at home to Troy. The SEC was terrible this year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837182) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 2:54 PM Author: Yapping orchestra pit You're going off the rails a little bit there.
|
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:52 PM Author: narrow-minded garrison mental disorder Wisconsin and Bama have pretty similar resumes on strength of good wins
Are we not allowed to use the eye test and have an opinion as to which team is actually better though? |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:56 PM Author: twinkling parlor Sure, but this seems pretty egregious. It's the inequality here that is really giving me pause.
If there are no conf championship games, Wisconsin is in and Alabama out, right?
If W and A both make their conf championship games and either both win or both lose, no matter what W > A for playoff purposes, right?
If you agree with the above you agree that Wisconsin starts out ahead of Alabama at the same point in the season (end of reg season).
If W and A both make their conf championship games and W loses but A wins, then A making the playoff is completely fair imo.
How, then, do you judge this situation? Imo you have to severely penalize Alabama for being able to avoid playing a top 5 team, as that is a HUGE benefit. Especially when you consider they they lost their last reg season game in order to qualify for the SEC championship. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:03 PM Author: narrow-minded garrison mental disorder I'm not sure
since expansion, the Big 10 is too big to give any weight to a conference championship without a championship game
Wisconsin didn't have to play Ohio State, Penn State, or even Michigan State to go undefeated
their best win was Northwestern
what should being the undefeated Big 10 West champ really earn you? |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 2:42 PM Author: pontificating round eye NW is ranked right around where LSU is and that's Bamas best win. What's your point? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837192) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:07 PM Author: high-end vigorous windowlicker newt I mean college football is very unfair in many ways.
Aabama had to go to Auburn. Wisconsin wouldn't be competitive in a game at Auburn. Why penalize Bama for that?
It's just the way it is and they factor all that in. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:10 PM Author: twinkling parlor this is why, as a non-college football fan, i can't understand why there is a national championship in the first place. seems ridiculous to me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836464) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:14 PM Author: high-end vigorous windowlicker newt No one gives a fuck what non-college football fans think.
The sport is special, and threads like these are one of the reasons why.
It's not a perfect system, like the NFL sponsored by GC, but people who follow the sport love it. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:22 PM Author: Dashing fantasy-prone school cafeteria cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836573) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:53 PM Author: smoky electric site Nobody thinks 3 loss Auburn could beat Wisconsin anywhere in the world. And I am the world's biggest Wiscy hater. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836828) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 3:01 PM Author: Yapping orchestra pit You have no idea whether Wisconsin would be competitive at Auburn. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837395) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:57 PM Author: supple center But the “eye test” is inherently based on who your opponent is on the field.
Bama’s competition all season long was garbage. They then got the dog shit kicked out of them by the one good team they faced. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:05 PM Author: narrow-minded garrison mental disorder its biased sure, but biased and invalid are different
on a neutral field would you take Wisconsin or Ohio State even money against them? |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 2:42 PM Author: pontificating round eye I'd take both to beat Bama straight up (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837197) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:00 PM Author: narrow-minded garrison mental disorder I had a discussion with Lemma Time back in October
http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3775087&mc=56&forum_id=2#34533465
back then we were talking Ohio State relative to Notre Dame
I said back then, that I thought the best way to predict what the committee will do, is to ask what establishes their legitimacy
putting the best team (as in 'who would be the Vegas favorite?') in is what does that
is that fair? idk probably not, as far as I'm concerned, if you lose, you've left yourself in position to get screwed over
------------
if anyone especially should be bitch, mayyyybeee its UCF
I do legitimately thinks it fucked up how low the committee usually ranks the best couple non-power 5 schools
and I do hope one of those schools puts together enough of a resume to really force the committee's hand at some point over the next several years |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:03 PM Author: twinkling parlor okay, but you agree this is all fraud and GC, right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836399) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:06 PM Author: narrow-minded garrison mental disorder oh, of course
I just can't get worked up about this any more |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 12:49 PM Author: Yellow adventurous boltzmann stage When USC skullfucks OSU, hopefully that will quiet down some of the fanbois. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836246) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:07 PM Author: irradiated forum You been watching USC this year at all? I love them, and they have NFL caliber talent all over the field, but they can't keep from tripping on themselves. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836434) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:08 PM Author: narrow-minded garrison mental disorder I'm annoyed that that doesn't get to be the Rose Bowl this year
for as good as Ohio State's been over the past 20 years, they have really few Rose Bowl appearances |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 3:04 PM Author: Yapping orchestra pit USC is inconsistent. I'd probably bet on Oh St. in that game. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837422) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:01 PM Author: Duck-like erotic stock car stain Pac 12 playing like 7-8 conference games in a row hurt teams like USC (they did have some bad losses but I do think their resume is strong enough to at least be in the conversation for the playoffs) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836386) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:03 PM Author: irradiated forum USC is my team, I grew up a USC fan, but no they don't deserve to be in the playoff conversation this year. \ EDIT: the ND loss was shameful. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 3:06 PM Author: Yapping orchestra pit Pac-12 sucked this year because the best team (Washington) didn't make the championship game. I can understand the loss to Stanford on the road, but the loss to ASU was a nightmare. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837433) |
|
Date: December 5th, 2017 7:47 PM Author: Yellow adventurous boltzmann stage lol just be glad you arent in a shit bowl where you belong. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34847883) |
|
Date: December 5th, 2017 7:49 PM Author: Yapping orchestra pit Seriously considering going to Glendale for the game. I've got a client/case there.
|
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:04 PM Author: hateful boistinker https://twitter.com/OddsShark/status/937466303388045313 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836412) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:07 PM Author: provocative black personal credit line corn cake UCF went 12-0. Why the fuck aren't they in it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836428) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:08 PM Author: high-end vigorous windowlicker newt Becuase their schedule is shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836444) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:12 PM Author: provocative black personal credit line corn cake then they should get demoted to FCS if they have no shot in the FBS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836478) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:14 PM Author: irradiated forum Lower tier FBS programs are frauds and many of these programs would not compete well at the FCS level. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836498) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:30 PM Author: narrow-minded garrison mental disorder While the playoff system is generally regarded as a massive improvement over the BCS, it’s worth noting that the BCS system, which equally balanced computer rankings and human polls, gave non-power-conference teams a fair shake. Utah, then in the Mountain West, was ranked sixth when it won the 2005 Fiesta Bowl and when it beat Alabama in the 2009 Sugar Bowl. TCU, also then in the Mountain West, was ranked third when it won the 2011 Rose Bowl. And despite the historical underdog narrative, Boise State (no. 8) was ranked higher than Oklahoma (no. 10) entering the 2007 Fiesta Bowl. The computers had no bias against teams from lower-profile leagues, because they ranked teams based on cold, emotionless algorithms.
Taking a peek at the six computer ratings systems used during the BCS era, we see that they would have loved UCF in 2017. The Colley Matrix has the Knights ranked third. The Anderson-Hester ratings have them second. The Wolfe ratings have them first. Taking both computers and human polls into account, UCF would be ranked eighth right now, with an opportunity to move even higher after championship weekend.
The human playoff selection committee, however, certainly seems to have a bias. In the four years of the playoff era, UCF’s current no. 14 ranking is the second-highest that a non-power-conference team has ever placed. The lone team to go higher was Memphis in 2015, and the Tigers made it to only no. 13, a ranking they held for a single week.
https://www.theringer.com/2017/12/1/16723918/ucf-knights-college-football-playoff-group-five
You're probably wrong
|
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:33 PM Author: twinkling parlor as a sports fan, i also have a hard time understanding how a team can play in a league and have ZERO chance at winning it.
Everyone who plays in the Masters can theoretically win it. Leicester City may not be favored to win the EPL, but they can do it.
what would a UCF have to do next year to win the National Championship? |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:45 PM Author: narrow-minded garrison mental disorder yeah it's not ideal
what I would say, and we sort of talked about this above,
the sport seems to work over longer timelines
--------
that seems ridiculous, but I'm not totally sure it is, Bama gets a benefit because of what they did last year, and the year before
its a different team, but not a totally different team, approx. 3/4th of the team is the same from last year, and 1/2 of the team is the same from 2 years ago
---------
if a Group of 5 team ever gets in, its likely to be a multiyear process
its interesting to wonder if Houston would have gotten in last year if they had gone undefeated,
the year prior, they went 13-1 and beat FSU in the Peach Bowl
they started 2016 ranked #15 and had Oklahoma and Louisville on the schedule, and actually beat both of them, but couldn't beat all their conference rivals who weren't good enough to even count in most of the analysis in this thread
------
one of these years, a team will repeat something like that, and maybe they'll get in
It'll be a good story when it happens |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 2:31 PM Author: irradiated forum We'll never know because UCF isn't going to the playoffs. However, for every Boise State, there was a couple of Hawaii teams that floated through utter garbage schedules undefeated only to get blasted in their bowl games against real opponents.
Risten, UFC had a great year and potentially has a pro or two on the roster, but I would be amazed to see them put up a competitive game against Clemson or Alabama. The UCF line, either side of the ball, does not have the talent to block or rush an elite program. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 3:01 PM Author: narrow-minded garrison mental disorder your history is wrong,
for every Hawaii, there's been several Boises, Louisvilles, TCUs, Utahs, UCFs, and Houston's
generally non-power 5 conference schools have done great in those games
and when they've been moved up to tougher conferences, they've more than held their own, even through the 'impossibly grueling' regular season
I don't necessarily disagree that I have a hard time seeing this particular UCF team acquitting themselves well in a playoff game
as a class though, Group of Five schools have held their own on the big stage |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 3:22 PM Author: irradiated forum As for this UCF team, there are players for UCF that played in a game two years ago where they lost to Furman. So yes, I have a hard time seeing them compete.
You may be right on your other points though. I forget how many of those lower level schools bumped up conferences during realignment. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 2:43 PM Author: pontificating round eye TWIST: so is bamas (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837202) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:12 PM Author: irradiated forum They play nobody and their conference is borderline FCS level.
TBF, ND won a bunch of championships doing this back in the day. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:07 PM Author: tripping casino digit ratio Because they’re the most likely to win. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836430) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:09 PM Author: tripping casino digit ratio See, eg, https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2017-college-football-predictions/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836447) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:12 PM Author: Brass Chad lol
Bama haters ITT done here. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:15 PM Author: tripping casino digit ratio tbf, that’s the closest any playoff has ever been. But lol at the four seed being the favorite. It’s mostly the Saban/Bama brand. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836512) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:17 PM Author: tripping casino digit ratio The selection committee did a great job if the odds are 1:3, 1:4, 1:4, 1:5. OSU would be like 1:8. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836526) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:25 PM Author: high-end vigorous windowlicker newt OSU would be at least 1:15. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836599) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 4:10 PM Author: Sadistic Comical Bawdyhouse Mood (Low IQ schtick) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34838075) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:17 PM Author: twinkling parlor ok but if that's the standard why is Clemson rewarded for being the 1 seed by playing Bama? why not make them the top two seeds if the committee thinks they are the best two teams? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836530) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:19 PM Author: tripping casino digit ratio The committee uses different factors than stats nerds. Bama is the only non-conf champ. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836551) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:18 PM Author: supple center They sure nailed the 2017 election (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836541) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:29 PM Author: tripping casino digit ratio I knew this comment would be posted by you or lawman. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836627) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 2:44 PM Author: pontificating round eye LOL Ohio st was favored over Clemson last year. Those predictions mean dick (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837210) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 2:45 PM Author: irradiated forum That was an epic ass whipping (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837218) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:09 PM Author: Drunken feces what i'm getting from this thread is that most CFB teams outside of maybe 2-3 suck ass (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836449) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:12 PM Author: tripping casino digit ratio On any given Saturday, the top 5 teams in December will beat the next 20 75 percent of the time. I made that up completely but it sounds right. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836475) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:10 PM Author: high-end vigorous windowlicker newt Here is a summary of why Bama is in for all the idiots in this thread:
Bama is favored by a couple over Clemson. OSU would have been at least +10 vs Clemson, and probably moved to +12 by the game.
If OSU's resume had been clearly better than Bama's they could have overcome being the inferior team. But it wasn't. 2 losses, one a very bad one vs a mediocre Iowa team, is an awful look. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:13 PM Author: seedy hospital yup. no one wants to see a bunch of retards struggle to even score a FG through 4 quarters of play again. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836491) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:16 PM Author: high-end vigorous windowlicker newt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836522) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:21 PM Author: supple center Are they bringing back last years teams to rematch? Exciting! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836566) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:24 PM Author: high-end vigorous windowlicker newt I think if you lose to Iowa by 31 there's a good chance you'll lose to the 10x better team by at least the same amount you lost to them last year, which, coincidently, was also 31. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836584) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:29 PM Author: supple center As a professed college football fan, you should be able to recognize that crazy things can and do happen every year. Last years blowout was one of those things and likely not indicative of talent.
Just like the shitty October field goal loss to MSU in 2015 kept the Buckeyes out of the playoffs despite easily being one of the four best teams with Elliott averaging like 10ypc.
Continuing to cite to the clemson loss is just disingenous. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:36 PM Author: high-end vigorous windowlicker newt It would be if it also hadn't happened against Iowa this year and to a certain extent vs Oklahoma AT HOME this year.
There just isn't reason to think you'd be very competitive. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:39 PM Author: supple center One of the best O lines, D lines, and running back corps in the nation.
Admit that LBs, secondary, and QB play are glaring weaknesses. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:17 PM Author: tripping casino digit ratio Thought Bama Clemson was even? Also, this is the point I was making. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836534) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:24 PM Author: high-end vigorous windowlicker newt -1.5 to -2 depending on the book (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836591) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 2:45 PM Author: pontificating round eye Ohio St was -3 against Clemson last year (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837220) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 2:46 PM Author: twinkling parlor and Alabama was -3 against Auburn this year (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837228) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:22 PM Author: hateful boistinker not only that but they only play eight conf games. they substitute that missing conf game with an fcs opponent (the B1G doesn't even allow this), and then they play that game in fucking november. which is like giving themselves a bye week when everybody else is emotionally and physically spent and trying to grind out those last couple wins. ljl at this total fraud $EC shit |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:25 PM Author: high-end vigorous windowlicker newt There's no difference between playing Mercer and playing UNLV or Army. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836595) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:26 PM Author: hateful boistinker didn't know unlv and army were in the $EC (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836603) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:27 PM Author: high-end vigorous windowlicker newt What is your IQ? I was responding ot the point about FCS opoponent. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836614) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:32 PM Author: hateful boistinker ljl at this lisping tuscaloosa bathhouse retard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836643) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:58 PM Author: smoky electric site (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836872) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:32 PM Author: buff hell The debate is about FCS vs add'l SEC game, dumbfuck (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836644) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:35 PM Author: high-end vigorous windowlicker newt Fine.
How about this then: There's not a big difference between playing Mercer and Illinois/Maryland for a team like Bama. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:31 PM Author: supple center why try to defend Mercer on the schedule in November, bro? Youre better than this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836639) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:34 PM Author: high-end vigorous windowlicker newt I just don't think it's a big deal. It helps the small schools out with their budgets. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836660) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:35 PM Author: buff hell LOLOLOLOLOOLOLLOOLOLOLOL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836669) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:35 PM Author: supple center Move it to september like everyone else. Getting an easy by in November when everyone else is on upset alert is beneath a program like Bama (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836678) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:36 PM Author: twinkling parlor but early losses matter less, right? so if you allow schools to schedule cupcakes in the later weeks doesn't that significantly increase their chance of being ranked higher? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836688) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:39 PM Author: high-end vigorous windowlicker newt The truth is they do it to rest up before rivalry games. Happens across the South now.
Winning those games is almost as important as winning conference or national champ to a lot of fans. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 3:38 PM Author: irradiated forum I love seeing my FCS school playing one of the big boys, and we occasionally win, but for a national championship caliber school to play a SOCON team every year is indefensible. Even I admit that.
On the other hand, sometimes they win: see 2016 Iowa & 2007 Michigan |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 2:47 PM Author: pontificating round eye Army is an FBS team going to a bowl, Mercer is FCS. Have you ever watched cfb before (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837242) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 2:53 PM Author: irradiated forum FCS teams are known to beat lower level FBS teams. They occasionally beat power conference teams. Sometimes they beat the #3 team in the nation, at home, by blocking a kick in the late 4th quarter. SOCON 4EVA (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837302) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 2:59 PM Author: pontificating round eye This is a crazy low IQ argument even for you. Since the best FCS teams have from time to time beaten good FBS teams, that means all FCS = all mediocre FBS. LOLOKFAG (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837365) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 3:19 PM Author: irradiated forum In 2016, there were 10 victories of FCS schools over FBS schools. There were 9 in 2017. There were 9 in 2015 including UCF getting beat by Furman and South Carolina getting beat by Citadel (in which I was happily in attendance).
EAT A DICK PUMO.
EDIT: to directly respond, I never said "all FCS = all mediocre FBS." That was just you being a retard pumo. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:35 PM Author: Vibrant Mentally Impaired Toilet Seat Alabama is in because they're one of the four best teams in the country. It's that simple and no one who seriously watches CFB will dispute that. People ITT are reading too much into the decision. The committee picks the best four, not necessarily the most deserving four. The only precedent they've set so far is they heavily weight really bad losses and really good wins. Teams like USC, tOSU, Miami don't have a claim to the national championship under those considerations.
I think people also underestimate how much the prior weeks rankings mattered. They aren't starting from scratch every week. They have to justify teams jumping other teams. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:37 PM Author: supple center “I think people also underestimate how much the prior weeks rankings mattered. They aren't starting from scratch every week. They have to justify teams jumping other teams.”
This is a good point and is a reason why all preseason polls and rankings in weeks 1-6 should be done away with. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:51 PM Author: Vibrant Mentally Impaired Toilet Seat I would prefer they just release one preview before championship weekend. Early rankings always tit towards the SEC. Like there's no reason LSU should have been ranked through Week 9 this year.
Ironically, Saban has long been advocating for more inter-conference P5 play past October. He wouldn't play Mercer if he had a choice. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:54 PM Author: hateful boistinker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836839) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 2:26 PM Author: Brass Chad this is also a nice thing about the CFB Playoff Committee - they don't start their rankings until well into the season. I'm sure they factor AP/Coaches/etc polls into their first rankings, but they do start mid season (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837088) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:47 PM Author: ocher talented useless brakes son of senegal Agreed, especially on ugly losses. And yes, performance in prior playoffs and even elite bowls does matter. Even when they've lost, Alabama has always kept it close. I can't remember the last time they were blown out. Save for 2014, the B1G has a terrible history in the playoffs/BCS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836773) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:48 PM Author: twinkling parlor literally a GC argument (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836787) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:57 PM Author: high-end vigorous windowlicker newt (guy that knows nothing about college football and is throwing random shit out to save face) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836865) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 2:01 PM Author: supple center This is patently false. OSU is tied for most wins in BCS history.
When they lose its just in a spectacularly memorable way, hence this perception. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 2:21 PM Author: ocher talented useless brakes son of senegal They also had the most appearances in the BCS (by way of the b1g) and along with another midwestern cfb power (ND), got blown out in championship games. I'm not saying they're the worst. I'm just pointing out that the strength of the program in recent history does matter. The last two years where b1g teams got absolutely destroyed in the playoffs is a red flag. That Alabama never gets blown out is a testament to the strength of their program. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837061) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 2:51 PM Author: pontificating round eye Alabama was blown out by Ohio St in 2014 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837292) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 3:41 PM Author: ocher talented useless brakes son of senegal That was an entertaining game throughout. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837788) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 2:50 PM Author: pontificating round eye In the same post you talk about B1G being terrible in the playoffs and also say you can't remember Bama being blown out since 2014, when they were BLOWN THE FUCK OUT by Ohio State, in the playoffs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837282) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:36 PM Author: Cowardly Green Pisswyrm Ticket Booth The play off system should be about finding the best teams, regardless of conference, to play and compete for the national championship.
The play offs should be moved to 8 teams. If there were any 8 spot play off, then it would look like this:
1. Alabama 2. Georgia 3. Auburn 4. Clemson 5. Oklahoma 6. Wisconsin 7. Ohio State 8. UCF
Bam! Done with and you don't have to listen to the insane ramblings of faggot tttOSU fans. Instead we'd get to hear them lamenting and raging over getting gaped by a SEC team. SEC supremecy, eat shit niglets. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:40 PM Author: Dashing fantasy-prone school cafeteria except for the last half of your last line, cr.
Also, for maximum 180s, the playoff should be 4 SEC teams and 4 non-SEC teams. First round SEC team versus non-SEC team. Second round: all-SEC. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:41 PM Author: twinkling parlor when the 4-team playoff was announces i always thought it should move to 8 -- not because of any fairness reason but because i thought the argument against being left out at #5 could potentially be really good, while the argument against being left out at #9 is almost always bad (i.e., you likely lost 2 or 3 times) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836732) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:58 PM Author: high-end vigorous windowlicker newt would ruin regular season (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836876) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 2:02 PM Author: smoky electric site (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836904) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 2:05 PM Author: supple center (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836927) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 2:06 PM Author: twinkling parlor fair point. as it stands now you totally can't lose to your rival in the last week of the regular season, miss out on a conference championship game, and then just slide into the playoff anyway.
------------------------------------------
seriously though, i still prefer the conference championship/bowl game format. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 2:51 PM Author: irradiated forum Arguably, the 4 team playoff has damages the regular season enough. Fucking Pac-12 champion USC feeling bad even though they own the Pac-12, tOSU fans in the same boat.
I understand if you are not a big CFB fan or big into gambling (or a TV executive) why a fair NC is such a big deal, but for a large swath of CFB fans a NC is not a big deal. Williams Brice sells 85k tickets to see the Gamecocks play even though they are not going to play for a NC. CFB was never set up to have a clean NC.
They only way to get a clean, fair NC game is to bump at least half of the FBS level down to FCS. FBS is too big with the current length of schedule.
In the meantime, I have no idea why there isn't a rule disqualifying a team from the CF playoffs if they don't win their division. It's a travesty and a joke that a team that doesn't win their conference division can play for the NC. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 2:54 PM Author: claret jet-lagged jewess no more than the 4 game playoff already has (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837312) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 3:08 PM Author: high-end vigorous windowlicker newt Yes it would. As it it is now, 1 loss can drop a team out in some seasons. Wouldn't be so with 8 teams where many 2 loss teams would get in. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837441) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 3:30 PM Author: irradiated forum cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837676) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 2:01 PM Author: smoky electric site And LSU, SCAR, and MSU too! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836899) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 2:03 PM Author: Vibrant Mentally Impaired Toilet Seat It will probably go to this but I don't like it.
-The #7 or #8 team doesn't really have a claim for a title shot like the #3 or #4. -With the current playoff system, the conference championships often serve as a play-in game. -Outside of mega rivalries, intra-season rematches are kinda TTT in CFB. -Three post-season games is a lot in football.
I would support a six team with automatic bids for ACC, SEC, B10, B12 and two at larges. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 3:16 PM Author: Yapping orchestra pit Pac-12 deserves an automatic bid if those other conferences do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837526) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 2:08 PM Author: supple center SEC supremacy Summarized.
1. overrank everyone in the conference
2. Dont drop SEC teams when they lose to one another, citing to the “quality of loss”
3.
4. Profit! |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 2:11 PM Author: buff hell (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836972) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 2:38 PM Author: Cowardly Green Pisswyrm Ticket Booth Which of your Fag 10 teams is going to beat Alabama or Georgia? SEC teams would gladly play Fag 10 and Pac 12 teams, but teams like tttOSU, Michigan, and Oregon would never agree to it because they know they'd get BTFO |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 2:52 PM Author: supple center Weird flame, last time we played Bama we took a shit on Saban’s chest (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837298) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 2:53 PM Author: pontificating round eye Didn't UGA back out of a home and home with Ohio st? Didn't Wisco beat lsu last year OOC? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837305) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 3:10 PM Author: hateful boistinker (fan of a "school" that hasn't played an away game north of the mason dixon line since 1960 something) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837459) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 3:20 PM Author: Yapping orchestra pit Washington will be playing Auburn next year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837579) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 2:39 PM Author: irradiated forum BCS was introduced to solve this problem so that nobody got to just easy-schedule their way to a NC (i.e. "Notre Daming.") Since this system was introduced, the SEC won 9 out 15 BCS championships and 1 out of 3 playoffs (with a :01 left Hunter Renfrow catch being the only thing making it not 2/3).
I think that SEC fans think the conference is better than it is, but it's still be best conference in college football rivaled only by the ACC. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 1:59 PM Author: slimy doobsian institution Dude tttOSU already lost by two scores to Oklahoma. Why would they deserve to get in? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34836886) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 2:24 PM Author: hateful boistinker what if they had played the citadel in november instead of iowa? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837080) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 2:54 PM Author: pontificating round eye Or Mercer in sept instead of OU (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837311) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 2:55 PM Author: irradiated forum Well, a Citadel win, of course. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837327) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 2:25 PM Author: claret jet-lagged jewess they've gotta move to an 8 team playoff. all this shit gets settled with an 8 team. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837085) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 3:02 PM Author: twinkling parlor jfc this thread got a lot of traction (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837398) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 3:06 PM Author: high-end vigorous windowlicker newt Exhibit A of why college football is 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837432) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 3:13 PM Author: twinkling parlor manufactured "excitement" and "discussion" is not what makes a sport 180 jfc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837483) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 3:21 PM Author: supple center (Guy forcememing tennis threads for the last two years) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837589) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 3:22 PM Author: high-end vigorous windowlicker newt Holy shit Ironside done here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837595) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 3:25 PM Author: twinkling parlor bro i love you, but that's a low IQ retort. I quite clearly mean rules or other structural aspects of a sport put in place to manufacture excitement or discussion.
i don't mean fans discussing a particular sport because they enjoy it. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 3:47 PM Author: supple center Haha oh come on, you tee’d that one up (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837832) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 3:52 PM Author: twinkling parlor lol alright alright (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837900) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 3:23 PM Author: cerebral police squad What's the alternative? UCF? LOLOL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837602) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 3:24 PM Author: supple center Would he more compelling than a mediocre Alabama (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837610) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 3:28 PM Author: high-end vigorous windowlicker newt Bama would beat UCF by over 30 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837647) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 3:32 PM Author: Yapping orchestra pit I think Wisconsin has a better claim than Ohio St., but it's hard to argue that the committee was definitively wrong picking Alabama. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837699) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 3:42 PM Author: twinkling parlor The problem with this perspective, at least from an outsider looking in, is that Alabama benefits from not having the risk of playing in the conf championship game.
Immediately before the Big 10 championship game, Wisconsin would 100% be in the playoff over Alabama. That means that Wisconsin has nothing to gain from the game, but everything to risk.
Alabama could basically sit home and watch Georgia, Wisconsin, and Oklahoma all risk their playoff hopes on an extra game, knowing that if any of them lost Alabama had a great chance to leapfrog them into the playoff. How on Earth is that a good result? |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 3:46 PM Author: Yapping orchestra pit You're right that this particular scenario provides a somewhat perverse incentive.
But Alabama could potentially benefit from playing in the SEC championship, too. They control their destiny, whereas, after losing to Auburn, they were dependent on Wisconsin losing to have a shot. So it's not like there was any incentive to lose to Auburn.
So, in hindsight, we don't really know if they benefitted from not playing in the SEC Championship, since they might have beaten Georgia and got in anyway.
|
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 3:52 PM Author: twinkling parlor I agree with you, and I could maybe see that argument by an 11-1 Alabama over a 2-loss OU or UGA that lost its conf championship.
I have trouble with it against a 1-loss Wisconsin. Is Wisconsin in the playoff if they lost earlier in the year and then beat tOSU? If so, that's even worse. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 3:55 PM Author: irradiated forum The ghosts of the 2001 Tennessee volunteers will visit you tonight to show you the danger of conference championship games. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837942) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 3:57 PM Author: twinkling parlor cr.
again, i don't mind if every playoff contender is playing in one, but a team like Alabama shouldn't benefit from not playing in it. as this shook out, there was no benefit for Alabama to have been in that game. they could have only lost position, not gained.
though i do dislike the concept of two bites at the apple w/r/t championship games. why should Auburn have to beat Georgia twice, for example? |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 4:06 PM Author: irradiated forum I think there should be a rule against a team going to the playoffs that hasn't at least won it's conference division.
But, this was the argument against having conference championship games in the first place, that you're just putting your best team at risk for getting knocked out of the NC race. Hell, Pac12 held out until just a few seasons ago. And do you know who's to blame for the existence of conference championship games to begin with?!?!?!? GC. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 4:14 PM Author: twinkling parlor i would agree with that rule and think it makes sense.
even though i dislike it from a competition perspective, i can see the thought process behind a conference taking the guaranteed conf championship money every year over the occasional NC win. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 4:17 PM Author: irradiated forum It's crazy to think that the SEC was one of the first conferences to institute a conference championship game, yet had the most to lose in doing so. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34838134) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 3:31 PM Author: Well-lubricated orchid house I hate tOSU too but playing "Mercer" in November should disqualify you from the postseason. Fraud faggots.
USC should have been in |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 3:49 PM Author: irradiated forum As the rules stand, FBS teams can play one FCS team a year and the game counts as a victory. It gives FBS teams one real gimme a year and FBS teams do really need these games to keep with their budget. There are a lot of FCS teams who are concerned that the NCAA will be changing the rules, which is why so many FCS teams have made the jump - Coastal Carolina, Georgia Southern, App State, etc. From what I understand, these school understood that their entire athletic budgets relied on getting that one 500k check for playing a FBS program, and that they didn't want to take the chance.
One of my best friends is a coach at a FCS school and they worry about the impact of the potential rule change constantly.
I could point out that there has been 28 FCS victories over FBS in the past three years and there have been some dramatic upsets over power teams by FCS schools, but really, the games are not usually competitive. When I saw Citadel play UNC last year, the game was over 4 minutes into the 1st quarter. Citadel didn't far much better against Clemson this year. They are not usually competitive games, but then again, there is not that much difference between upper-tier FCS teams and bottom dweller FBS teams. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 3:57 PM Author: hateful boistinker not too many bottom dwelling fbs teams are involved in cfp discussion. that a 'big dog' $EC team gets to convert a potential november upset conf game into a bye week against a random fcs opponent, and then goes on to benefit from not even qualifying for its own ccg is beyond fucked up. total fraud $cam |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 4:03 PM Author: irradiated forum Just to argue with you, what's the difference between a good FCS and playing Arkansas State, or Georgia State, or Eastern Michigan, or Miami of Ohio, etc. Hell, at least a good FCS will sometimes make a game of it, where the lower level FBS teams seem to exist solely to generate business for orthopedic surgeons and concussion counselors.
Look at some of the Big 10 schedules - they very rarely play FCS level (ehem 2015 Iowa), but they go play MAAC schools to the same result. What's the difference, really? |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 4:09 PM Author: hateful boistinker the difference is that the B1G (and every non-$EC conf) isn't substituting one of those games for a tough conference road game in iowa city in november. not that hard to see. so long as the $EC continues to get away with playing fewer conf games than everyone else this is a big problem. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34838063) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 4:15 PM Author: irradiated forum You know what? Everyone is playing by the same rules.
Not flame, the BCS had this figured out with the computer models, and teams who played shit schools (especially late) hurt their chances of getting into the BCS. In 2004 Auburn played Citadel and there was a lot of talk about that game preventing Auburn from getting into the NC game because of strength of schedule concerns.
The current playoff format got rid of the computers. Shockingly, people fucked with a formula that was working with the intention to make it better and there were unintended consequences. Who could have guessed.
My conclusion: unless the field could be practically widened to include 16 (or 32) teams - which it certainly cannot, there will always be a mythical component to the college football championship. The more people keep fucking with the playoffs, the more people are going to realize that we were better off with the BCS, and really, better off than that with the bowl system. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 4:17 PM Author: twinkling parlor >> and really, better off than that with the bowl system. <<
yes, THANK YOU. I have been saying that forever. |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 4:21 PM Author: irradiated forum I'm with you, 100%. It is fucking blasphemy that a shit hot tOSU Big10 champion team isn't playing a hot USC Pac12 champion team in Pasadena on Jan 1 this year.
But hey, ESPN has to make money too so I guess we will *just starts crying and screaming like a bitch* |
|
Date: December 5th, 2017 1:50 PM Author: Ruby community account You’re mad that the cotton bowl is not on January 1? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34845151) |
|
Date: December 5th, 2017 3:44 PM Author: irradiated forum I'm mad that the Big10 champion is not playing the Pac12 champion on the Rose Bowl on Jan. 1 as God intended it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34846104) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 4:27 PM Author: ocher talented useless brakes son of senegal The computers/big-data were generating a lot of weird and nonsensical poll results. The current system is the best I've seen, with the BCS being better than the previous system. I think you're taking for granted the benefit of seeing top ranked teams being forced to play each other for the championship or in an elite bowl. Sounds like a simple concept, but in the days under the old bowl system, we didn't always see that at the end of the season. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34838235) |
|
Date: December 5th, 2017 1:27 PM Author: twinkling parlor the best system was conference championships and NYD bowls. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34844970) |
|
Date: December 5th, 2017 1:37 PM Author: irradiated forum I'm a believer that whatever you get with the playoff, you give up in regular season & traditional bowls. The college football regular season is the most exciting in all of sports - hell, college football is the most exciting sport in existence today - that people would mess with the formula is irritating. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34845037) |
|
Date: December 5th, 2017 1:52 PM Author: ocher talented useless brakes son of senegal The traditional bowls get hurt with the playoffs, but I don't think the regular season is hurt much at all. 2-loss teams don't control their destiny, and one-loss teams regularly won National Championships before the playoffs. So it seems like each regular season game has retained almost the same value. The current system strikes a pretty good balance. And frankly, I don't worry too much about the bowls. The olden days where a top-ranked team would play someone ranked a lot lower in their bowl game was ridiculous (ex. Ga Tech in 1990, Michigan in '97, 4-loss ND in the 90's). Even in the BCS days you'd get shitty match-ups in the bowls. I'm glad the bowls are less regarded now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34845164) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 3:56 PM Author: irradiated forum USC had every argument in the world to be in the playoffs and left those reasons behind on the field in South Bend earlier this year - edit: USC also left their manhood and may have had a body betrayal orgasm that night. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34837954) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 4:12 PM Author: Yapping orchestra pit USC just wasn't that good a team this year, and I don't think they were the best team in the Pac-12 either. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34838091) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 4:22 PM Author: provocative black personal credit line corn cake yep, NFL fans are the cuck faggots (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34838189) |
|
Date: December 4th, 2017 4:24 PM Author: supple center Yep (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34838205) |
|
Date: December 5th, 2017 1:55 PM Author: Ruby community account 8 team playoff with all 5 conference champs, 2 at-large and one non-power 5 is the obvious solution. The one bad part about ESPN being in a death spiral is that they can’t force the issue on this because they are too focused on trying to unfuck all the stupidly nflated prices that they created. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34845184) |
|
Date: December 5th, 2017 3:00 PM Author: heady iridescent preventive strike degenerate Lolling at this fraud $port, some truly awful arguments itt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34845698) |
|
Date: December 5th, 2017 3:01 PM Author: twinkling parlor total fraud. idk how fans put up with it. it's ridiculous. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3817712&forum_id=2#34845714) |