-having friends legit die from H addiction or pills. really bums me out. a lot of these guys work in construction or other blue collar jobs where it's common to get pain pills for job injuries and then they get hooked fast.

-extremely adversarial relationship with employers. like they know they're getting fucked every which way and only cooperate with gay corporate policies to the letter of the law. makes sense in their situation but it's a crab barrel mentality that keeps them poor too.

-zero foresight. take out retarded loans for lame trinkets, pay for expensive cable TV packages to watch real housewives. gambling constantly in football pools and lotteries. even in daily life they almost have a negroid concept of time. like I say we'll meet at noon at some place and nobody shows up until 12:30 at the earliest.

-life consumed by social media and one upsmanship like their UMC peers. very odd since they don't have a lot but they'll brag like no other getting box seats to a basketball game or something cheesy like that.

-despite all this they're 1000% tight with their friends to the death and will do anything for them in a time of need. I probably couldn't find a half dozen friends to help me move but my prole cousin could do it in a second.

-having kids out of wedlock and thinking it's ok, fine for the kids, and normal.

-don't care for their health at all and I start seeing it wear on them hard as they get into their 30s. drink to excess, smoke daily, never go to the doctor, many are fat, can't cook at home, rarely eat a single vegetable.

-viscerally hate people who make it for being uppity or proud almost like blacks would. the only kind of money they respect is from athletes or people who luck into it. I slow play that stuff and they still tease me for wearing shoes that aren't sneakers or a shirt with a collar. very odd and tense dynamic. I'm basically a fag to them.

idk like I don't think the UMC life is some great thing. I don't even really live the lifestyle, just grind and save like an earl.

I respect my grandparents who grew up dirt poor yet lived a disciplined life and worked hard as fuck to give us better opportunities. still like 1/5 of their grandchildren will even do as well as they did and the rest are like turtles that never swam off the beach. just sad to see.

I guess it mostly hurts because I feel adrift in the professional world full of silver spoon kids who just expected to succeed with nice, well-off families, but going home feels wrong too. like I don't really belong anywhere.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3841281&forum_id=2#35014235)

but some family members like my grandfather and mother I can still tell stuff to. he grew up in a city row home with 8 siblings and 1 bathroom, went into the air force with nothing but the shirt on his back, started working some low-level job at a chemical company, rose up the ranks to become a scientist, etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3841281&forum_id=2#35014424)

brother that is ridiculous lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3841281&forum_id=2#35014543)

if you're serious then I respect the hell out of that. every person I've worked with who came from humble roots is a superstar. still a lonely feeling.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3841281&forum_id=2#35014301)

if I had no anxiety about my future, I'd love to do something similar. cash is rewarding sometimes, but nothing feels better than helping your fellow man improve himself.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3841281&forum_id=2#35014474)

it is pretty crazy how some people succeed and others don't. it often has more to do with luck, aggression, and right place/right time than anything else. I've certainly beat people smarter than I am due to those things.

but really, if you are of above average intelligence and work hard, you'll never go hungry or lack for anything truly important in this world. you and your friend should stop worrying about it.

academia though, that's a tough racket.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3841281&forum_id=2#35014550)

In my HS friend group, all "gifted" in our prole school, we had a few guys (all virgins, naturally):

1. me: middle of the pack intelligence-wise, studied CS at state school, went into tech/finance.

2. another guy on my level studied biomedical engineering, went to med school, became an anesthesiologist.

3/4. 2 guys maybe not quite as bright as me and the other: one became a dentist, other plays in a nationally known band, both doing quite well.

5. one guy crushed all of us in HS: you could get him to derive any function while blitzed on any drug/alcohol on earth in the 8th grade, academic type, did EE PhD at a top school, works for Qualcomm now.

6. another guy similar to the academic guy in prowess ended up going to MIT and worked for WhatsApp when it was still a startup, basically retired now in his early 30s

if I had to guess, the smart guy at Qualcomm makes less than any of us, even the dentist, and the WhatsApp guy could buy and sell the entire lot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3841281&forum_id=2#35014747)

Also that's a pretty damn successful group of friends for a prole HS.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3841281&forum_id=2#35014882)

and I went to a very, very big high school where most kids couldn't make it to college prep let alone AP classes that were taught in a trailer adjacent to the school with 4-5 kids inside. I suppose we did all do pretty well, despite our best efforts to do every drug possible to stump the 8th grade derivatives genius, but there were hundreds of kids who didn't make it anywhere.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3841281&forum_id=2#35014940)

and yet the prole mind sees someone like me and sneers "oh, you think you're better than me?" but I know I'm just like them with a bit of genetic lottery luck, no better, no worse than them scratching 7-11 tickets.

and while escaping them is good for your health, your wealth, your future family and all that, it's not a good feeling. family means a lot. being distant from them hurts.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3841281&forum_id=2#35014349)

friend from high school who works as a valet at 29 years old is getting married to a girl he met 6 months ago with all sorts of tattoos. theyre getting married at the courthouse and then having dinner after with just family. other friends telling me about their edward jones retirement accounts and new homes they cant afford yet bought anyway

other friends struggling with drugs, gambling, spending parents money secretly, lots of awful wrist tattoos and shit

my family obsessing over pointing out every new business or home development and telling me who owns it. like its some conspiracy theory or something

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3841281&forum_id=2#35014291)

Nothing about her life or asking about mine just gossip about locals who likely don’t think shit of her

Fuck that shit, I needed to see this so I can step it up more and never go back to that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3841281&forum_id=2#35014345)

prolettes love doing this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3841281&forum_id=2#35014358)

We've had a fistfight break out at a wedding, with a ton of cops coming and making arrests. One time at a funeral, one guy went after another with a wine bottle and swung at him. And not flame, most of us love Trump. It's 180.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3841281&forum_id=2#35014329)

Didn't you marry some crackwhore baboon? Who are you to be talking anyway?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3841281&forum_id=2#35014607)

you have no prestige

hth

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3841281&forum_id=2#35014617)

The proles who cause me discomfort are the proles who have no ambition but are content to live day to day the way they are right now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3841281&forum_id=2#35014403)

but yeah it definitely bothers me to see ambitionless proles, especially when their poor patriarch did everything possible to rise above it.

for a bunch of people whose ancestors had the wherewithal to hop on a boat into the unknown to make a better future for themselves, I sure have some lazy relatives.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3841281&forum_id=2#35014458)

UMC will talk about how it's such a great wine, cocktail or special beer, maybe have 1-2 too many.

proles have no such pretense and just want to get rowdy and fucked up on the cheap.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3841281&forum_id=2#35014495)

most thought Trump's tax plan was going to screw them and help the wall st. guys even though I don't hail from a high tax state. guess the media coverage makes it look worse than it is. pretty sure almost all will save money.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3841281&forum_id=2#35014586)

I don't mean like they are going full on gay together or anything, just saying stuff like "well if that's what they like, let em do it", proles are more permissive than you think. of course they'll still call you a fag but fag means something else to them entirely.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3841281&forum_id=2#35014779)

are country has tons of hicklibs who love to share memes from Being Liberal on FB and to bitch about how oppressed they are. they have huge collections of garbled shitlib talking points that they will deploy at any opportunity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3841281&forum_id=2#35017009)

i try to think back to my youth and compare the death-rates to what they are now, and they didn't seem to be as high. and drug abuse just degrades your whole system, and malaise like incipient tumors that a healthy body would identify and destroy get to run buckwild until medicine can no longer intervene.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3841281&forum_id=2#35014794)

Maybe Charles Murray has a point after all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3841281&forum_id=2#35014808)

idk I think it's sad but what am I supposed to do? return like a prodigal son to open a car dealership or funeral home in my hometown? the same economic efficiency that drives smart jobs toward a handful of cities makes it impossible to operate a small scale local business, too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3841281&forum_id=2#35014907)

I'm not sure there is much to be done about it; as Conestoga points out even Murray's suggestions are basically shitty motivational-speaker claptrap about encouraging proles to have better habits. Still, it would be nice for the existential crisis to be more recognized for what it is.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3841281&forum_id=2#35014949)

I think if the apex proles stuck around and simply lived by example, their dumber counterparts would fall in line. their friends do drugs and die, the apex proles drink a bit and don't die. their out of wedlock kids have no food or clothes, the apex proles' eat a hearty meal and dress nicely for Church.

shame is an extremely powerful social motivator and the combination of permissive boomers + apex proles drifting away = most young proles have no compass. idk. I think giving people a clear goal and setting high expectations brings out the best in them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3841281&forum_id=2#35015046)

In general, a lot of American society today is about freeing capable individuals to do whatever they want, while mostly getting away with it, at the expense of also letting proles do whatever they want, and suffering far more consequences. Perhaps 125-IQ communities can embrace liberated sexuality, casual drug use, and the like without falling apart (though I, of course, don't think they'll thrive as much as they could otherwise). But in prole communities liberation from traditional norms just seems to be allowing lots of people to drive their lives off a cliff.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3841281&forum_id=2#35015086)

but this kind of thing is truly generational and depends on respect for wisdom that's sorely lacking these days. why do I really save? because I've heard from men who have had nothing and listened to them. I'm lucky to even have someone like this to listen to. I'm lucky that I can evaluate these old men on some metric other than being tough or being a faggot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3841281&forum_id=2#35015174)

Quoth Jay-Z: I don't want much, fuck, I drove every car.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3841281&forum_id=2#35015142)

If you're right that liberated sexuality, casual drug use, and the like hurts a shame regime is indeed TCR.

But if we suppose for a second that 125 IQ+ can thrive and maximize their happiness under such conditions, but it is a disaster for proles, we have a real public policy problem, because it's non-obvious to me that it's ethical to live a life of greatly reduced happiness simply because their prole neighbors can't handle the same freedoms they can-- this is akin to the shitlib idea that we should ban all guns because of Baltimore's violence or broad-based European "hate speech" laws. TCR would be to run flame on how bad those things are, because then it would keep the proles straight while the high IQ people could just do whatever. But it's hard to run flame in an era where knowledge spreads so quickly.

I don't know what the answer is, but I'm pretty sure nobody else does either.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3841281&forum_id=2#35017544)

these things are motivated by deeper and longer-term trends like urbanization and the nature of the modern economy itself. "just be proud of working at the local dairy queen, bro!" isn't bad advice as such, but it's one speck of conduct in a vacuum of decay. libertarians and other individualist-oriented thinkers have little of value to say about the fundamental nature of COMMUNITIES.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3841281&forum_id=2#35014920)

but why is that and how do we get there? a lot of race realists would say we need a homogenous society or whatever, but is that the real driver? in Japan even their highly paid professionals have pretty low salaries compared to the average working man. everyone is in it together. the intellectually rich man basically foregoes compensation to help his brothers feel a sense of purpose. maybe few Americans would do that if the money went to blacks or latinos, but it's certaintly worth thinking about.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3841281&forum_id=2#35014990)

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3841281&forum_id=2#35015119)

I don't see my family much but I talk to them a lot so I don't feel estranged despite being further away. I've had more hour+ conversations with my parents as an adult than I ever did as a high-schooler.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3841281&forum_id=2#35015409)

*High proles*

Physically attractive traits or some level of savvy or guile

Some engagement with the community, generally a youth sports coach

Jobs range from labor management (earned over time) or sales

May work in retail store fronts

Some college education

Likely marrried a high school or early college acquaintance

5-10% of this class will leave for Denver, LA or Nashville

Prior to this year, apex proles were the primary NFL demographic

Finances are a scaled down version of junior associate with law school debt

Do not live paycheck to paycheck but will struggle mightily with retirement and their children will attend public school

Drug use is not rampant

High proles with money LOVE "lake life"

Church attendance rates falling here but not as badly as UMC strivers

Likely zombified by TV: Fox by day, prole Netflix at night ("The Ranch")

Live in very close proximity to extended family and derive great meaning and satisfaction from it

Not overly ambitious or jealous of wealth; does not understand anything about the complex economy

Some on instagram

The poaster "peanuts" aka "shitlaw til I die" is a directional state prole in biglaw who maintains apex prole tendencies to this day. It is the engine for his success - and for our inspiration.

*Low proles*

The folks who both smoked salvia and did poorly in high school

Manual labor and low sales jobs

Hygiene issues from day one

IQ maxes out at 100

Widespread obesity, serious health issues emerging by 30

Many suffered developmental or birth issues because of upcycle issues

No assets other than a car and maybe a trailer. Family land used to stick around this class for generations, now it is sold.

Some community college

Many victims of violence and domestic abuse here

Very low marriage rates in my experience, but birthing began in high school

Not enough liquidity to form any consumer class AKA the real reason American politics deserted them

Church attendance steady

All trump or never vote

Facebook pictures are all out of focus or poorly taken

Not on instagram

You can see how the high-proles reach out to find touch points with the more educated segments of society, but emphasize family time, proximity, and long-held relationships more than the strivers which they may sometimes emulate. These folks are by and large much happier than young people living in cities, and much, much happier than unmarried 30-year-olds living in cities.

Low proles live in a perpetual cycle of self-destruction and neglect. They live in the bottoms, harm one another as a habit, lack the tools to organize against their masters, and have been forgotten and tread over for centuries.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3841281&forum_id=2#35017012)

Live in very close proximity to extended family and derive great meaning and satisfaction from it

Live in very close proximity to extended family and derive great meaning and satisfaction from it

Live in very close proximity to extended family and derive great meaning and satisfaction from it

Live in very close proximity to extended family and derive great meaning and satisfaction from it

Live in very close proximity to extended family and derive great meaning and satisfaction from it Live in very close proximity to extended family and derive great meaning and satisfaction from it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3841281&forum_id=2#35017035)

but all prole stock yearns to break free and become low prole. I have some aunts, uncles and cousins that made me want to write this thread. some are bad enough that they're basically ex-communicated from the family, but others are on the fringe looking glassy eyed, calling me a fag.

I think that's also why high proles are sometimes violently anti-drug/alcohol: they saw how much it fucked up their peers and relatives. I can't recall ever seeing my father drunk in my life. but the UMC girls I typically date have parents who will get lit up on cocktails, smoke weed with their adult kids like it'd nbd, etc. just very permissive about that kind of thing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3841281&forum_id=2#35023662)

a couple of the girls married middle class guys and moved out. only guy other than me to move out of the hood became a cop. every other guy who's still alive is either still there or in prison.

i don't go back much. none of them know much about my life as far as i know.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3841281&forum_id=2#35017014)

I'm a "big success" and I can't even save my family because I live 2000 miles away and they are getting old and cantankerous and won't take what I have to say to heart. I've saved enough money to remodel my mom's house if she'll just get rid of most of the animals, but she won't do it.

Fuck this gay earth.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3841281&forum_id=2#35017036)

what is the deal with proles + animals and hoarding? is it a comfort thing? my one uncle has 3 rescue dogs that all smell horrible, eat the absolute bottom of the barrel store brand food or random scraps, have never gone to the vet in their life, and his wife keeps at least 50 old Reader's Digest issues stacked up in each bathroom. how can people live like this?

and of course these foul neglected dogs fucking live fucking forever despite being half blind and mangy, much like the great grandfather who drank whiskey and chain smoked until the day he died at 102.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3841281&forum_id=2#35023673)