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Traditionalist Catholicmos, rate this article about the Romanian Iron Guard
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Date: February 11th, 2018 8:54 PM Author: Motley Brethren obviously they are not Catholic, but still may have some genuine insights as members of our separated bretheren in the Orthodox Church:
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/codreanu-and-the-warrior-ethos.472625/
i'm especially interested in this part:
"However, perhaps the most interesting dimension of the ideology of the Iron Guard was its approach to theology. The Legionnaires conceived of the Romanian nation as having a special relationship to God and its commitment to the traditional Orthodox Christianity of the Romanian people informed every aspect of their thought and action. Like Ignatius Loyola, the founder of the ruthlessly Catholic Jesuit order before them, the Legionnaires recognized no limitations on the ends to which they might go in defense of their particular variation of the Christian faith. The extremism of their cult of martyrdom is perhaps best exemplified by their belief that in order to defend the Faith and the Nation, a Legionnaire might at times be called upon to perform deeds that would result in his own damnation. In other words, not only an individual life but an individual soul must at times be sacrificed for the greater good of the struggle. This is likely the most intense form of cultic martyrdom ever devised. Religious movements which teach martyrdom typically promise reward in a future life for the faithful holy warrior who sacrifices his mere mortal life for the cause. Yet for the holy warriors of the Iron Guard, a soldier of faith could be called upon to lay down not only his mortal life but his immortal soul as well. (Payne, 1995) No cult of martyrdom could ever be more extreme. Their fervent Orthodoxy aside, one might be tempted to compare the theological outlook of the Legionnaires with that of Milton’s Lucifer. Just as Milton depicted Satan as having insisted that it is better to rule in Hell than serve in Heaven, so might the faithful warriors of the Iron Guard be said to have believed that it is better to achieve Hell in the struggle for one’s nation than to achieve Heaven for having engaged in a less virulent struggle. The Romanian warriors took the martyrdom cults of the Islamic jihadists or the Japanese kamikazes still a step further."
if i remember correctly, there is a part of the Summa Theologiae in which St. Thomas hints at a somewhat similar idea-- that if (per impossible in his view, unlike the Iron Guard who thought this is something they actually had to deal with IRL) there were some scenario in which you were called upon to sacrifice your own salvation for the sake of others, it would be the right thing to do so. i'm trying to find it now but i can't seem to find the right unique search terms to Google for even if i restrict my search to site:newadvent.org.
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Date: February 11th, 2018 8:59 PM Author: fantasy-prone hairraiser parlour multi-billionaire this sounds like a form of the heroic act of virtue where you give your merit for the salvation of the church suffering. but taken to an extreme that is sinful imho since your soul is meant to give glory to god. as such, you can't know for sure if it's only YOUR soul that goes to heaven at a given time. cf. St. Leonard of Port Maurice on "the fewness of the saved" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3890284&forum_id=2#35380219) |
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Date: February 11th, 2018 9:01 PM Author: chocolate forum spin, ratfucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3890284&forum_id=2#35380234) |
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Date: February 11th, 2018 9:04 PM Author: laughsome genital piercing Explain, without googling for an answer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3890284&forum_id=2#35380254) |
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Date: February 11th, 2018 9:06 PM Author: chocolate forum spin, ratfucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3890284&forum_id=2#35380271) |
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Date: February 11th, 2018 9:07 PM Author: laughsome genital piercing so no answer? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3890284&forum_id=2#35380279) |
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Date: February 11th, 2018 9:12 PM Author: chocolate forum spin, ratfucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3890284&forum_id=2#35380321) |
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Date: February 11th, 2018 9:13 PM Author: laughsome genital piercing so you can’t answer gotcha |
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Date: February 11th, 2018 9:19 PM Author: Motley Brethren the whole issue is that the Church teaches there are some acts which are intrinsically evil and will count as mortal sins if you do them when you have full knowledge of what you are doing and full consent of your will to this decision. nevertheless, modernist philosophers are very clever in setting up thought experiments where committing "intrinsically evil" acts appear to work for the greater good (in the most devilishly clever scenarios, this is not necessarily even in the hedonistic sense of having more people be happier in the sense of experiencing more sensual pleaures in their mortal lives, but even in that your actions seem like they will lead to more people winding up in heaven than hell than if you didn't do them).
so what do you do if you find yourself in one of the most troubling hypotheticals? ones in which the seemingly best way to fight the enemy is to engage in "intrinsically evil" actions? |
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Date: February 11th, 2018 9:26 PM Author: chocolate forum spin, ratfucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3890284&forum_id=2#35380425) |
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Date: February 11th, 2018 9:27 PM Author: Motley Brethren i'm guessing the Iron Guard did some shit that didn't exactly conform to just war theory but was arguably necessary from a perspective of pure military strategy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3890284&forum_id=2#35380440) |
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Date: February 11th, 2018 9:22 PM Author: zippy appetizing cruise ship The Iron Guard was a dark perversion of Christianity exactly because of ideas like that. Their theology was far closer to what I'd call Satanism than the actual cults that take the name. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3890284&forum_id=2#35380396) |
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Date: February 11th, 2018 9:24 PM Author: Talented quadroon striped hyena what would you call self-professed satanists then? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3890284&forum_id=2#35380404) |
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Date: February 11th, 2018 9:27 PM Author: chocolate forum spin, ratfucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3890284&forum_id=2#35380437) |
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Date: February 11th, 2018 9:31 PM Author: Bateful native tcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3890284&forum_id=2#35380468) |
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Date: February 11th, 2018 9:25 PM Author: Motley Brethren to what extent was Judas' betrayal of Our Lord the product of his own free will vs. divine predestination to enact the plan which God had in mind all along for the ultimate salvation of humanity?
if Original Sin had never happened, would the Incarnation have even been necessary? |
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Date: February 17th, 2018 10:29 PM Author: Motley Brethren (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3890284&forum_id=2#35428343) |
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Date: February 17th, 2018 10:43 PM Author: razzmatazz cordovan windowlicker this is a load of Jewish bullshit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3890284&forum_id=2#35428413) |
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Date: February 18th, 2018 3:10 PM Author: Motley Brethren (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3890284&forum_id=2#35431745) |
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Date: February 18th, 2018 3:11 PM Author: zippy appetizing cruise ship Fuck you. "Yeah it's 180 that the Iron Guard would order members to damn themselves." That's retarded. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3890284&forum_id=2#35431761) |
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Date: February 18th, 2018 3:14 PM Author: Racy weed whacker This is 180.
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