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Game Theory MFEs: Why Did Trump Already Cave On DACA?

trump's proposal is basically i'll give you daca amnesty if ...
Misunderstood Magical Parlor
  02/13/18
If the negotiation were viewed in isolation you'd be correct...
milky floppy gunner rigpig
  02/13/18
As illustrated by the fact that the senate is having an “ope...
Geriatric Onyx Affirmative Action Becky
  02/13/18
so what's the endgame?
Misunderstood Magical Parlor
  02/13/18
so the endgame is for nothing to pass? how are we gonna g...
Misunderstood Magical Parlor
  02/13/18
He needs 60 votes. He’s offered a “compromise” than Dems hav...
Geriatric Onyx Affirmative Action Becky
  02/13/18
i'm afraid there's an end game where GOP passes daca with so...
Misunderstood Magical Parlor
  02/13/18
This worries me too.
Supple tank
  02/13/18
this is what happened on the spending bill. why wouldnt it h...
Misunderstood Magical Parlor
  02/13/18
Well, the number of people (voters, I mean) who are Rand Pau...
Supple tank
  02/13/18
the problem is that trump's already put EVERYTHING the shitl...
Misunderstood Magical Parlor
  02/13/18
Yeah. It's true. Could be an act, though; after the Democrat...
Supple tank
  02/13/18
then what happens to the dreamers? didnt hawaii judge grant ...
Misunderstood Magical Parlor
  02/13/18
More MAGA/Federalist judges coming on the bench every month.
Supple tank
  02/13/18
There's a preliminary injunction in place preventing the eff...
Big idea he suggested spot
  02/13/18
I support this interpretation (beclowning the Dems) but I do...
Supple tank
  02/13/18
It's 3D chess. He has something up his sleeve.
Narrow-minded Theater Stage
  02/13/18
I'm certainly hopeful.
Supple tank
  02/13/18


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Date: February 13th, 2018 12:39 PM
Author: Misunderstood Magical Parlor

trump's proposal is basically i'll give you daca amnesty if i get everything else i want. why is he already agreeing to the premise that amnesty is even on the table without the shitlibs giving him a inch? this isn't the shit out of the art of the deal by any means.

trump's plan has 0 chance of getting 60 votes in the senate. so any "compromise" that gets the shitlibs on board requires that amnesty happens AND trump doesn't get everything else he wants. wtf? how's that good negotiation?

why the fuck would you enter negotiations already caving on DACA?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3891894&forum_id=2#35393180)



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Date: February 13th, 2018 12:44 PM
Author: milky floppy gunner rigpig

If the negotiation were viewed in isolation you'd be correct but it's also about making libs look like clowns

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3891894&forum_id=2#35393240)



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Date: February 13th, 2018 12:46 PM
Author: Geriatric Onyx Affirmative Action Becky

As illustrated by the fact that the senate is having an “open debate” on immigration reform and the dems have not offfered up a single proposal.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3891894&forum_id=2#35393257)



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Date: February 13th, 2018 12:56 PM
Author: Misunderstood Magical Parlor

so what's the endgame?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3891894&forum_id=2#35393359)



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Date: February 13th, 2018 12:50 PM
Author: Misunderstood Magical Parlor

so the endgame is for nothing to pass?

how are we gonna get THE WALL though?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3891894&forum_id=2#35393293)



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Date: February 13th, 2018 1:02 PM
Author: Geriatric Onyx Affirmative Action Becky

He needs 60 votes. He’s offered a “compromise” than Dems have refused. End game would be either they cave, or you gun for 60 seats in the fall (although Jones winning has made that even more difficult).

The real question is how do you get a wall with only 51 GOP senators?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3891894&forum_id=2#35393399)



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Date: February 13th, 2018 1:08 PM
Author: Misunderstood Magical Parlor

i'm afraid there's an end game where GOP passes daca with some watered down version of the wall.

go nuclear and get rid of the filibuster?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3891894&forum_id=2#35393452)



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Date: February 13th, 2018 1:21 PM
Author: Supple tank

This worries me too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3891894&forum_id=2#35393532)



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Date: February 13th, 2018 1:23 PM
Author: Misunderstood Magical Parlor

this is what happened on the spending bill. why wouldnt it happen with immigration?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3891894&forum_id=2#35393541)



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Date: February 13th, 2018 1:30 PM
Author: Supple tank

Well, the number of people (voters, I mean) who are Rand Paul-style budget hawks is probably smaller than the number who completely distrust all of Congress on immigration. So there's that.

I agree, it's not enough to make me comfortable. But I do think it's LESS likely to happen on immigration than on a spending bill.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3891894&forum_id=2#35393582)



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Date: February 13th, 2018 1:30 PM
Author: Misunderstood Magical Parlor

the problem is that trump's already put EVERYTHING the shitlibs want on daca on the table. that's terrible negotiation. he needs to re-read the art of the deal.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3891894&forum_id=2#35393591)



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Date: February 13th, 2018 1:34 PM
Author: Supple tank

Yeah. It's true. Could be an act, though; after the Democrats won't deal on chain migration or whatever he may just be planning to say "OK! No deal." and let the thing expire next month. In many ways that's the best outcome anyway. The hurdle to actually revive it should be higher and involve more concessions from the left.

The big risk is the GOP Congress (Graham, Rubio, and the rest of the RINOs) as always. I think Trump was always likely to sign whatever they pass, no matter what he'd explicitly "put on the table" or not, and I think it's obvious enough that they expect that, too. Healthcare was basically that way--ANYTHING Congress passed he was going to sign.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3891894&forum_id=2#35393615)



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Date: February 13th, 2018 1:36 PM
Author: Misunderstood Magical Parlor

then what happens to the dreamers? didnt hawaii judge grant them citizenship on march 5th if nothing happened?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3891894&forum_id=2#35393621)



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Date: February 13th, 2018 1:36 PM
Author: Supple tank

More MAGA/Federalist judges coming on the bench every month.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3891894&forum_id=2#35393627)



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Date: February 13th, 2018 1:40 PM
Author: Big idea he suggested spot

There's a preliminary injunction in place preventing the effective expiration of DACA. There won't be a resolution on that until the fall.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3891894&forum_id=2#35393663)



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Date: February 13th, 2018 1:21 PM
Author: Supple tank

I support this interpretation (beclowning the Dems) but I do think he could've accomplished the same effect by holding it only to the DACA people (700,000) instead of expanding it to include the 2 million people who could've, but didn't, sign up for DACA.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3891894&forum_id=2#35393531)



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Date: February 13th, 2018 1:37 PM
Author: Narrow-minded Theater Stage

It's 3D chess. He has something up his sleeve.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3891894&forum_id=2#35393631)



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Date: February 13th, 2018 1:46 PM
Author: Supple tank

I'm certainly hopeful.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3891894&forum_id=2#35393699)