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WaPo: Mattis ignores Trump, literally just doesnt respond to orders 180

This story is about Iran and N Korea but Trump obviously did...
Lascivious base
  02/14/18
#resist
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  02/14/18
>> Last summer, Trump was weighing plans to send more ...
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  02/14/18
I'm waiting to hear why what Trump said here is unreasonable
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  02/14/18
It actually isn't. Rare moment of clarity.
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  02/14/18
he ran on this
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  02/14/18
He ran on everything. His rhetoric on Iran and NK has been a...
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  02/14/18
Seems like he's asking responsible questions. Why shouldn't ...
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Guessing that most presidents dont understand the nuance of ...
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  02/14/18
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Libs will become or portray neo-cons in a good light if that...
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And supporters of North Korea
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David Frum and Bill Krystal are #Resistance leaders
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or North Korea or the Ayatollah
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?? That’s the point of the American military. It will go ...
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lol @ libs forcememing generals going rogue They really a...
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OUR Mattis MY McMasters
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love how the journos think ending wars that we can’t win are...
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It’s been said before, but it’s literally always a pumo
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and often WLMAS, like this one
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Uncontrollable unelected unhinged military dudes ruling the ...
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They’re controllable, just not by compromised traitors
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I know things like these must drive libs bonkers, but they j...
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In case you didn't think the US was run by total murderous s...
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Lol
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  02/22/18
Can't wait until he tells Bolton to fuck off
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Who replaces Bolton? David Duke? There's no one crazier left...
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Crazier?
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Sounds like Zhukov and Stalin.
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Date: February 14th, 2018 3:03 PM
Author: Lascivious base

This story is about Iran and N Korea but Trump obviously didn’t order the deaths of his Russian friends in Syria.

Throughout his 40-year career as a Marine, Defense Secretary Jim Mattis built a reputation as an aggressive warrior, leading a blitz on Baghdad and pushing a reluctant Obama administration to hit back against Iran.

Over the past year, he has learned to play a different role: acting as a check on an impulsive president.

The big question is how long Mattis can continue to act as a force for continuity and caution and still retain influence with a president impatient to hit back at America’s enemies and swiftly win wars.

These days, Mattis’s influence radiates across the government. In places such as Afghanistan and Somalia, he has been a force for stability, resisting the president’s instincts to withdraw. In Iran and North Korea, he has curbed Trump’s desire for a show of military strength.

One tense moment came last May as officials grew increasingly concerned about aggressive Iranian behavior.

For weeks, Mattis had been resisting requests from the White House to provide military options for Iran. Now Trump made clear that he wanted the Pentagon to deliver a range of plans that included striking Iranian ballistic missile factories or hitting Iranian speedboats that routinely harassed U.S. Navy vessels.

“Why can’t we sink them?” Trump would sometimes ask about the boats.

National security adviser H.R. McMaster and his staff laid out the president’s request for Mattis in a conference call, but the defense secretary refused, according to several U.S. officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive internal deliberations. At that point, McMaster took Mattis off speakerphone, cleared his staff from the room and continued the conversation.

“It was clear that the call was not going well,” one official said. In the weeks that followed, the options never arrived.

In his first year in the Pentagon, Mattis has been one of the least visible and most consequential members of Trump’s foreign policy team. In Situation Room meetings, he has established himself as a commanding voice, reining in discussions before they devolve into chaos. State Department ambassadors say they have spent more face-to-face time with him than they have their own boss, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson.

A foreign policy establishment that views Trump as erratic and unreliable uniformly praises Mattis.

“I’m trying to think of a guy who could do the job better than Mattis,” said retired Marine Gen. James Cartwright, who served as vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff during the Obama administration. “There might be . . . but I can’t think of one.”

The former general’s most valuable asset may be his relationship with Trump, who has been known to publicly dress down and freeze out subordinates who disappoint him.

Mattis is “doing a great job,” Trump said of his defense secretary during his State of the Union address last week, drawing a rare standing ovation from Republicans and Democrats alike. A visibly uncomfortable Mattis — the only Cabinet secretary Trump mentioned in the speech — nodded slightly and smiled.

Even before he was confirmed as defense secretary, Mattis’s Democratic admirers in Congress warned him to stay close to Trump to prevent the president or his aides from doing something foolish.

“I called him and said, ‘Trump has no idea what he’s doing but isn’t afraid to do it. You’re across the river, and they’re across the hall,’ ” said Rep. Adam Smith (Wash.), the top Democrat on the House Armed Services Committee, referring to Trump’s top advisers. Smith recalled counseling Mattis: “Your job is to make sure these morons don’t get up in the morning and advance some lamebrained idea.”

Mattis’s top aides said they were struck by how much time he spent at the White House with the president during his first months in the job. When he was not traveling, officials said, the defense secretary was at the White House at least three or four times a week.

Even as Mattis has expressed views contrary to those of the president, on the efficacy of torture or the need for diplomacy with North Korea, he has managed to escape Trump’s wrath.

Before taking over the Pentagon, he often preached: “Loyalty really counts when there’s a hundred reasons not to be loyal.” Mattis has held to that ideal in the battles with the White House that he has lost.

In meetings with the president, Mattis often worked to acknowledge “the emotional essence” of Trump’s arguments and to restate them in ways that were more palatable or in some cases consistent with international laws on armed conflict, officials said.

In contentious meetings last summer on Afghanistan, Mattis and his top aides often dominated the process. He spoke regularly to mid-level aides representing the Defense Department at White House meetings so that they could forcefully advocate the Pentagon’s position. By contrast, senior representatives from the State Department often seemed to have little clue where their secretary stood, officials said.

In one chaotic Situation Room meeting on Afghanistan policy, McMaster shouted at Stephen K. Bannon, Trump’s chief strategist at the time, accusing him of deliberately misrepresenting McMaster’s position.

“You’re a liar!” McMaster yelled, according to two officials at the meeting.

Mattis ended the confrontation by grabbing McMaster’s knee and advising him to be quiet, the officials said.

The scene prompted a shocked Reince Priebus, the White House chief of staff at the time, to turn to a colleague and mouth “W.T.F.”

In the end, Trump decided to nearly double the size of the force in Afghanistan to 15,000 troops. In announcing his decision, Trump said he was acting against his “original instinct.”

His final decision gave Mattis and his commanders almost everything they wanted to expand the longest war in U.S. history.

Last summer, Trump was weighing plans to send more soldiers to Afghanistan and was contemplating the military’s request for more-aggressive measures to target Islamic State affiliates in North Africa. In a meeting with his top national security aides, the president grew frustrated.

“You guys want me to send troops everywhere,” Trump said, according to officials in the Situation Room meeting. “What’s the justification?”

“Sir, we’re doing it to prevent a bomb from going off in Times Square,” Mattis replied.

The response angered Trump, who insisted that Mattis could make the same argument about almost any country on the planet.

Attorney General Jeff Sessions echoed Trump’s concerns, asking whether winning was even possible in a place such as Afghanistan or Somalia.

It was Mattis who made the argument that would, for the moment at least, sway Trump to embrace the status quo — which has held for the past two presidents.

“Unfortunately, sir, you have no choice,” Mattis told Trump, according to officials. “You will be a wartime president.”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893119&forum_id=2#35402574)



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Date: February 14th, 2018 3:09 PM
Author: Abnormal nursing home liquid oxygen

#resist

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893119&forum_id=2#35402616)



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Date: February 14th, 2018 3:11 PM
Author: Spectacular Persian House

>> Last summer, Trump was weighing plans to send more soldiers to Afghanistan and was contemplating the military's request for more-aggressive measures to target Islamic State affiliates in North Africa. In a meeting with his top national security aides, the president grew frustrated.

"You guys want me to send troops everywhere," Trump said, according to officials in the Situation Room meeting. "What's the justification?"

"Sir, we're doing it to prevent a bomb from going off in Times Square," Mattis replied.

The response angered Trump, who insisted that Mattis could make the same argument about almost any country on the planet. <<

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893119&forum_id=2#35402627)



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Date: February 14th, 2018 3:29 PM
Author: slimy site

I'm waiting to hear why what Trump said here is unreasonable

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893119&forum_id=2#35402754)



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Date: February 14th, 2018 3:30 PM
Author: mind-boggling church building degenerate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893119&forum_id=2#35402762)



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Date: February 14th, 2018 3:30 PM
Author: primrose frum lodge



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893119&forum_id=2#35402767)



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Date: February 14th, 2018 3:30 PM
Author: Glittery lemon hall



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893119&forum_id=2#35402768)



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Date: February 14th, 2018 3:31 PM
Author: Flushed Adventurous Deer Antler Spot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893119&forum_id=2#35402772)



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Date: February 14th, 2018 3:32 PM
Author: Cowardly mad cow disease

It actually isn't. Rare moment of clarity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893119&forum_id=2#35402783)



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Date: February 14th, 2018 3:34 PM
Author: Amber field

he ran on this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893119&forum_id=2#35402799)



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Date: February 14th, 2018 3:39 PM
Author: Cowardly mad cow disease

He ran on everything. His rhetoric on Iran and NK has been all retarded aggression and the article notes that his admin asked for immediate military options on Iran after demanding why we couldn't just shoot the Iranian speedboats.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893119&forum_id=2#35402854)



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Date: February 14th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: massive affirmative action point

Seems like he's asking responsible questions. Why shouldn't we have prepared options for Iran and other hostile countries?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893119&forum_id=2#35403280)



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Date: February 14th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: Glittery lemon hall

Guessing that most presidents dont understand the nuance of RoE upon taking office.

We should have lit up (or at least fired upon) an iranian speed boat approaching one of our ships in the aftermath of the 2016 unlawful detention.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893119&forum_id=2#35403379)



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Date: February 14th, 2018 11:19 PM
Author: slimy site

Again, Iranian speedboats harassing our ships, why is it unreasonable to ask why we can’t just sink them? Also, by virtue of the fact that he has not ordered it, it seems someone gave him a satisfactory answer and he listened. Seems pretty reasonable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893119&forum_id=2#35406656)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 7:15 PM
Author: Rose Giraffe



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893119&forum_id=2#35664468)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 3:05 PM
Author: Free-loading Curious Pervert Coffee Pot



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Date: February 14th, 2018 3:34 PM
Author: Black love of her life set



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Date: February 14th, 2018 4:28 PM
Author: Dashing sinister son of senegal hell

Libs will become or portray neo-cons in a good light if that’s what it takes to oppose Trump

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893119&forum_id=2#35403233)



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Date: February 14th, 2018 4:28 PM
Author: Glittery lemon hall

And supporters of North Korea

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893119&forum_id=2#35403235)



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Date: February 14th, 2018 11:19 PM
Author: Beady-eyed dull jap

David Frum and Bill Krystal are #Resistance leaders

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893119&forum_id=2#35406662)



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Date: February 14th, 2018 11:27 PM
Author: mind-boggling church building degenerate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893119&forum_id=2#35406698)



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Date: February 14th, 2018 11:20 PM
Author: Trip stead dog poop

or North Korea or the Ayatollah

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893119&forum_id=2#35406665)



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Date: February 14th, 2018 4:29 PM
Author: Spectacular Persian House

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893119&forum_id=2#35403242)



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Date: February 14th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: maize gay wizard



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Date: February 14th, 2018 4:50 PM
Author: Slap-happy arousing macaca



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893119&forum_id=2#35403388)



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Date: February 14th, 2018 11:16 PM
Author: Transparent boltzmann double fault



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893119&forum_id=2#35406643)



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Date: February 14th, 2018 11:22 PM
Author: Ungodly tank bawdyhouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893119&forum_id=2#35406676)



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Date: February 15th, 2018 8:23 PM
Author: aggressive factory reset button plaza



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 7:07 PM
Author: cream odious locus sex offender



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 7:19 PM
Author: chest-beating bearded market national security agency

??

That’s the point of the American military. It will go to every country on the planet if it *has* to. It’s the reason we dedicate 50% of our budget to it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893119&forum_id=2#35664505)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 3:06 PM
Author: Floppy azn dysfunction

Seems reasonable to me but LJL at republicans suddenly being fine with non-interventionism.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893119&forum_id=2#35792424)



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Date: October 15th, 2018 9:16 AM
Author: Doobsian Orchestra Pit Police Squad



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893119&forum_id=2#37025825)



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Date: February 14th, 2018 3:30 PM
Author: Glittery lemon hall

lol @ libs forcememing generals going rogue

They really are little totalitarians at heart

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893119&forum_id=2#35402764)



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Date: February 14th, 2018 3:32 PM
Author: Swashbuckling main people fortuitous meteor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893119&forum_id=2#35402784)



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Date: February 14th, 2018 11:14 PM
Author: Irate water buffalo principal's office

OUR Mattis

MY McMasters

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893119&forum_id=2#35406632)



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Date: February 14th, 2018 11:15 PM
Author: vermilion boistinker trust fund



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893119&forum_id=2#35406637)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 2:38 PM
Author: Lascivious base



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893119&forum_id=2#35792309)



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Date: October 15th, 2018 9:39 AM
Author: Territorial Theater



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893119&forum_id=2#37025945)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:08 PM
Author: Black love of her life set



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893119&forum_id=2#35460719)



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Date: February 14th, 2018 4:36 PM
Author: khaki costumed location

love how the journos think ending wars that we can’t win are rash and unreasonable

MIC whores they are

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893119&forum_id=2#35403288)



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Date: February 14th, 2018 4:41 PM
Author: henna vigorous lay

It’s been said before, but it’s literally always a pumo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893119&forum_id=2#35403325)



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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:03 AM
Author: supple tanning salon

and often WLMAS, like this one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893119&forum_id=2#35406885)



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Date: February 14th, 2018 11:21 PM
Author: Ungodly tank bawdyhouse

Uncontrollable unelected unhinged military dudes ruling the country, 180!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893119&forum_id=2#35406672)



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Date: February 15th, 2018 8:21 PM
Author: Lascivious base

They’re controllable, just not by compromised traitors

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893119&forum_id=2#35412772)



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Date: February 15th, 2018 9:32 PM
Author: Territorial Theater



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893119&forum_id=2#35413298)



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Date: February 14th, 2018 11:24 PM
Author: Well-lubricated Slippery Psychic

I know things like these must drive libs bonkers, but they just make me laugh and laugh:

“Why can’t we sink them?” Trump would sometimes ask about the boats.

***

In meetings with the president, Mattis often worked to acknowledge “the emotional essence” of Trump’s arguments and to restate them in ways that were more palatable or in some cases consistent with international laws on armed conflict, officials said.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893119&forum_id=2#35406691)



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Date: February 14th, 2018 11:37 PM
Author: Unhinged Big Parlor

In case you didn't think the US was run by total murderous scum this about confirms it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893119&forum_id=2#35406752)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:07 PM
Author: Lascivious base

Lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893119&forum_id=2#35460705)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 7:06 PM
Author: Lascivious base

Can't wait until he tells Bolton to fuck off

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893119&forum_id=2#35664389)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 7:13 PM
Author: Unhinged Big Parlor

Who replaces Bolton? David Duke? There's no one crazier left.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893119&forum_id=2#35664453)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 7:15 PM
Author: Rose Giraffe

Crazier?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893119&forum_id=2#35664472)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 7:25 PM
Author: brindle potus roast beef

Sounds like Zhukov and Stalin.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893119&forum_id=2#35664570)



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Date: October 15th, 2018 8:34 AM
Author: Lascivious base



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893119&forum_id=2#37025733)