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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:22 PM Author: Chartreuse Wrinkle It's just a land grab to see how many restrictions they can put on guns ASAP (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409310) |
Date: February 15th, 2018 12:23 PM Author: mauve toaster senate It’s so transparent (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409316) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:24 PM Author: Vivacious Lettuce Base so let's not do anything?
let's not limit the amount of ammunition people can be? let's not ban certain guns? let's not have extensive background checks and waiting periods before people can buy guns? let's not ban bump fire stocks?
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:26 PM Author: Chartreuse Wrinkle How would that stop mass shootings?
You literally just want to throw regulations for the sake of throwing more rules and regulations on something you don't like |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:27 PM Author: Vivacious Lettuce Base are you stupid, faggot?
the vegas shooter, for example, used a bump fire stock. ban that shit. maybe instead of 600 injured and 60 dead it would have been 1/10 that number.
in fact, let's ban any gun that isn't a handgun and a shotgun. rifles should not be legal at all for civilians. if you think that's what the founding fathers intended you're a lying sack of shit |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:28 PM Author: Chartreuse Wrinkle True colors come out (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409353) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:28 PM Author: Vivacious Lettuce Base english, nigger (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409354) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:30 PM Author: Chartreuse Wrinkle You're like any lib who just wants to ban guns they don't like
The founding fathers statement for instance. Read Federalist 46 and get back to me |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:33 PM Author: Vivacious Lettuce Base "Madison calculated while writing Federalist Paper 46 that the standing military, controlled by the federal government, should be kept under a maximum of 30,000 troops, enough to defend America against other nations but not enough to oppress the states. The states themselves, to protect themselves from the federal government from overpowering them with the threat of a standing army like Great Britain did when King George III sent his battalion to America, were allowed a total militia of 500,000 people. The purpose of the militia changed with the passing years as well. Instead of being there to protect the states from being too controlled by the federal government, the militia’s purpose now is to respond to natural disasters and protect individuals stuck in those situations."
maybe you're the one who should read it, dipshit |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:35 PM Author: Chartreuse Wrinkle You're giving me an analysis saying things have changed since Madison. That's nonresponsive. Your initial statement was the founding fathers didn't want us to have rifles. That is wrong
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Extravagant as the supposition is, let it however be made. Let a regular army, fully equal to the resources of the country, be formed; and let it be entirely at the devotion of the federal government; still it would not be going too far to say, that the State governments, with the people on their side, would be able to repel the danger. The highest number to which, according to the best computation, a standing army can be carried in any country, does not exceed one hundredth part of the whole number of souls; or one twenty-fifth part of the number able to bear arms. This proportion would not yield, in the United States, an army of more than twenty-five or thirty thousand men.
To these would be opposed a militia amounting to near half a million of citizens with arms in their hands, officered by men chosen from among themselves, fighting for their common liberties, and united and conducted by governments possessing their affections and confidence
Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 1:28 PM Author: Bipolar Swashbuckling Bbw Regret (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409808) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 1:31 PM Author: Abnormal curious round eye hominid (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409837) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:02 PM Author: Orange trust fund half-breed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410084) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:47 PM Author: bateful rough-skinned kitchen organic girlfriend Our military doesn't look like that anymore. Just see how dominant our federal standing army has become. And the militia referred to herein isn't just a bunch of guys with guns. It is referring to the National Guard or a state militia. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410518) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 3:04 PM Author: Vivacious Lettuce Base exactly. i agree with you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410656) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:44 PM Author: bateful rough-skinned kitchen organic girlfriend We've banned automatic machine guns, bazookas, and anti-aircraft missiles and that has saved hundreds if not thousands of lives. Imagine Las Vegas if you had machine guns, or if ISIS folks could just buy a Stinger. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410496) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 4:24 PM Author: Vivacious Lettuce Base (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35411279) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:29 PM Author: Nudist theater If the founding fathers only could have envisioned rifles. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409361) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:57 PM Author: Orange trust fund half-breed The founding fathers absolutely intended for civilians to own rifles capable of competing with a military HTH (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409583) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 1:02 PM Author: black odious mother pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409621) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 1:20 PM Author: mauve toaster senate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409742) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:47 PM Author: bateful rough-skinned kitchen organic girlfriend So you're okay with automatic machine guns? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410522) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:59 PM Author: Orange trust fund half-breed Tough call tbh. But civilian arms currently certainly compete with military arms. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410630) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 3:05 PM Author: Vivacious Lettuce Base no they fucking don't, idiot. if the US military decided to annihilate every single american (and not using nuclear or MOAB or any of that shit) they could do it in an instant.
do you have a fucking tank, faggot? |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 3:11 PM Author: Orange trust fund half-breed So why can’t we finish off a bunch of goat herders in Afghanistan? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410722) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 4:25 PM Author: Vivacious Lettuce Base that's your answer to people advocating for gun control?
jfc you're a disillusioned basement dweller. admit it. |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 4:36 PM Author: Orange trust fund half-breed No it’s my answer that you don’t need jets and tanks to fend off a superior opponent. 5 million gun nuts couldn’t stop the US military, but we could prevent them from ever peacefully occupying the US. But most members of the US military would defect if asked to disarm or kill us citizens en mass. On the off chance the us military fails, or more likely the us govt fails, armed citizens prevent tyranny. This is why the second amendment exists and why we must tolerate a few thousand gun deaths per year. Other countries who don’t bear this burden rely on the US for their sovereignty. If we fail, they fail and they’ll wish they had our guns. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35411366) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 4:39 PM Author: Talented dun box office stock car Liberals are so misinformed and have never heard of the Afghanistan war, the Vietnam war, the Algerian conflict, the troubles, the Boer war, etc, etc. small arms certainly DO provide a way to protect yourself and fight back and even the biggest baddest army in the world can’t stop a guerrila force. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35411384) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 1:09 PM Author: pontificating striped hyena lol, you think a bump stock lets you shoot a rifle 10x as fast? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409674) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:44 PM Author: Impertinent salmon market pistol This is an incredibly retarded poast. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410499) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 3:06 PM Author: Vivacious Lettuce Base great contribution to this thread, queer fuck (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410674) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:26 PM Author: Insane sound barrier azn don't have strong views here but I think the concern would be there would still be shootings (bc ultimately the problem is are culture is collapsing) and once you have conceded to libs that legislative responses are appropriate, they would view each new shooting as evidence that we need to go further
similar to libs and 3rd world immigration when there is a terror attack. |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:27 PM Author: Chartreuse Wrinkle It's similar to abortion
Both sides think their respective item is a fundamental right and any attempt to infringe on that right is a slippery slope to a complete ban
At least conservatives are transparent in their wish to have abortion banned. Libs want to ban and confiscate all guns but try to nibble along the edges until they get there |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:32 PM Author: Cobalt Irradiated Property Genital Piercing cr I've had some honest libs admit they want to ban and seize guns and I find it refreshing
most libs won't do this though |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:43 PM Author: Chartreuse Wrinkle Also re: bump stocks
Repubs agreed to ban it. Dems threw in bans on suppressors and magazines and other shit. That killed the bump stock ban
That was the fault of libs, not repubs |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 3:06 PM Author: Vivacious Lettuce Base why should suppressors be legal? what the fuck is the point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410677) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:04 PM Author: Startled provocative church building stain 1 - "let's not limit the amount of ammunition people can be?"
How many rounds were fired in Florida? 100? One little box of ammo is 50 rounds.
https://www.targetsportsusa.com/aguila-9mm-luger-ammo-124-grain-full-metal-jacket-092110-p-3401.aspx
2 - "let's not ban certain guns?"
Which ones?
3 - "let's not have extensive background checks and waiting periods before people can buy guns?"
In which cases do you think further background checks would be effective? They wouldn't have stopped Las Vegas.
4 - "let's not ban bump fire stocks?"
There isn't a lot of support for them, and several states are looking at bans. |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 3:09 PM Author: Vivacious Lettuce Base 1. not sure what your point is. unless you're at a shooting range, why should you be able to possess hundreds of rounds? for what reason? aliens fucking landing? you're not going to defeat the goddamn federal govt's army if they decide to (which they never will) annihilate your ass.
2. i'm not a legislator and morally obligated to research this shit. it's clear that some guns should be banned altogether for civilian use.
3. love how you used vegas as the example for when background checks wouldn't have helped. you're right. that's one example though. almost all the other mass killings have been clearly deranged fuckheads.
4. why not a federal ban?
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Date: February 15th, 2018 3:33 PM Author: Talented dun box office stock car “you're not going to defeat the goddamn federal govt's army if they decide to (which they never will) annihilate your ass.”
Yes this is why the Vietnamese and Afghans were so easily defeated by the U.S. military, right? |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 4:21 PM Author: autistic opaque area partner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35411255) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 4:27 PM Author: Vivacious Lettuce Base this isn't 1970 you stupid fuck (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35411291) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 4:42 PM Author: Orange trust fund half-breed Lmao and? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35411401) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 4:34 PM Author: Violet Flatulent Legend Location when our mission in Afghanistan was "defeat the Taliban" and our mission in Iraq was "defeat Saddam" we blew their assholds out almost instantly.
it's when we inevitably shift to nebulous "nation-building," "training of force," and "counterterrorism" missions with no clear objective that we start to falter. |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 4:37 PM Author: Talented dun box office stock car Precisely. And if the US government hypothetically became overbearing/tyrannical, and gun-owning citizens decided to night back, which type of conflict do you think it would more closely resemble? A conventional war, or a guerrila style conflict which the US military is horrible at fighting on foreign soil, let alone US soil where there would be much more hesitancy to use strong arm tactics. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35411368) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 4:38 PM Author: Violet Flatulent Legend Location it would be Ruby Ridge times however many pockets of PATRIOTS1!!!!! there were (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35411378) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 4:46 PM Author: Orange trust fund half-breed Indeed, and there are literally millions of gun nuts who fantasize about defending the republic in that manner. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35411426) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 3:36 PM Author: Startled provocative church building stain 1 - It's obvious. You don't need lots of rounds to kill lots of people. To the extent your comment about defeating the government is relevant, it weighs against ammo restrictions.
2 - How is it clear to you if you concede you don't know what you're talking about?
3 - You ignored my question. Here it is again: "In which cases do you think further background checks would be effective?"
4 - "why not a federal ban?" Because Democrats don't want one. It would give Republicans a win, and Democrats insist that the ban be larded up with their other pet restrictions. |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 3:38 PM Author: bateful rough-skinned kitchen organic girlfriend A federal gun registry would be very helpful. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410955) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 3:40 PM Author: Startled provocative church building stain How? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410968) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 3:45 PM Author: bateful rough-skinned kitchen organic girlfriend To reduce gun running. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35411005) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 3:48 PM Author: Startled provocative church building stain Might help with street crime. Wouldn't do anything for mass shootings. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35411033) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 3:50 PM Author: bateful rough-skinned kitchen organic girlfriend So are you for or against federal gun registries? Or expanded background checks? Or mandatory reporting of lost or stolen firearms? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35411055) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 4:31 PM Author: Vivacious Lettuce Base you're too dense to even be OPEN to my suggestions.
do i know a lot about guns? no.
do i know enough that gun control needs to be legislated on a federal level? yes.
my god. school shooting after shooting and you faggots want to say shit like "more guns are better". yes, let's arm our teachers.
regarding point #3 - you don't see any benefit in people with mental disorders and people on certain medications having to AT THE VERY LEAST have a long waiting period + a rigorous background check?
regarding #4 - is this a joke? your faggot politicians have more earmarks than any other party in history. you shove shit up bills that have literally nothing to do with the bill itself.
old news? yes. fake news? no. |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 11:11 PM Author: Startled provocative church building stain Take this lazy shit where it belongs.
https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/ |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:27 PM Author: Anal stage therapy How come Western Europe, Scandinavia, AUS, etc. all have far less mass shootings than the US? Do you think firearm restrictions have nothing to do with their success at limiting these horrible events? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409346) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:28 PM Author: Vivacious Lettuce Base cq (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409351) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:28 PM Author: mauve toaster senate Thots?
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ZCtf80ZL7dg/UNSBzGk7yDI/AAAAAAAAAXc/0VdaNN5P1Nw/s1600/Guns_race.png |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:28 PM Author: Insane sound barrier azn I don't think any1 disputes in the short term that we'd be safer with more restrictions. but we'd be even safer if all guns were simply taken by government. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409355) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 1:04 PM Author: Orange trust fund half-breed (90 IQ dipshit)
How many die yearly now?
How many would die during the civil war over confiscation?
How many would die the next time Hitler/Drumpf got elected and starts killing nuisance groups?
How many would die when China/Russia nukes the military and invades the defenseless citizens?
How many would die when Europe is conquered or falls into war because the US isn’t playing world police?
The second amendment is an insurance policy (and a damn effective one) whose premiums are unfortunate gun homocides. |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:29 PM Author: Chartreuse Wrinkle Odd you don't mention Switzerland (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409359) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:32 PM Author: Anal stage therapy So you’re not going to answer? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409383) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:33 PM Author: Chartreuse Wrinkle Obviously if you ban public ownership of guns, you'll have less gun deaths
Feel free to push the repeal of the 2nd amendment |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:34 PM Author: Anal stage therapy That’s not what your OP seems to support.
If you want to say that these events are a price we have to pay for the second amendment, at least that’s a good faith argument. |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:38 PM Author: Chartreuse Wrinkle That is my argument
What is needed now is solving the mental health problems and other preventative measures making sure these psychos are dealt with |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 1:15 PM Author: Outnumbered idea he suggested LOL the reptile position on gun control, everyone—just do cure all mental illness! But make sure they can still get guns while we’re working on the cure!
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-signs-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-n727221 |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 3:37 PM Author: bateful rough-skinned kitchen organic girlfriend And/or taking steps to mitigate the harm that they can do by denying them access to firearms. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410949) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 3:41 PM Author: Startled provocative church building stain What mental health intervention would have meaningfully reduced the likelihood of the Florida shooting? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410976) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:32 PM Author: racy primrose headpube Aside from not mentioning Switzerland, Europe has had a lot of mass casualty events that didn't feature guns -- and to be fair a lot of US mass casualty events didn't feature guns either. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409379) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:33 PM Author: Anal stage therapy Not at the same rate the US does.
Also, how about the dramatic reduction in gun violence immedtialy after AU put in strict gun control. |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:33 PM Author: Chartreuse Wrinkle Mass shootings were too rare in Australia for their absence after the buyback program to be clear evidence of progress. And in both Australia and Britain, the gun restrictions had an ambiguous effect on other gun-related crimes or deaths.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i-used-to-think-gun-control-was-the-answer-my-research-told-me-otherwise/2017/10/03/d33edca6-a851-11e7-92d1-58c702d2d975_story.html?utm_term=.21bacba68797 |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:36 PM Author: Anal stage therapy That’s a good article, TY, but not sure that it really supports what you’re claiming or does. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409415) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:39 PM Author: Chartreuse Wrinkle I'm not using it to support my OP, I'm using it to refute your Australia point
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:37 PM Author: racy primrose headpube the overall homicide rate in the US, when controlling for demographics, is very close to that in Europe.
would the white homicide rate go from 2.5 to 1.5 if we banned guns like europe? perhaps, but that's part of the price you pay for any freedom.
you'd drop the overall homicide rate alarmingly fast if we strictly controlled all black citizens. would you suggest that? |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:39 PM Author: Anal stage therapy Yes.
A big part of the tension between urban minorities and police is because police are terrified of being shot at by randoms.
Do you have a link for the crime rate by demographic stat? Not saying you’re wrong, but am genuinely interested in reading about it. |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:40 PM Author: mauve toaster senate You’d support a racially tailored gun ban? Bold statement. That would actually save a lot of lives. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409442) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:48 PM Author: Anal stage therapy Not exactly that. It’s just that any practical nationwide gun control would disproportionately have its enforcement focused on low income urban areas that have lots of minorities since that’s where most of the guns are (it’s a separate but related issue to mass shootings). I’m fine with that. It would benefit the residents in those areas.
Short of that, we could probably reduce these school shootings (at least somewhat) with longer waiting periods, mental health checks and the usual proposals after these shootings. Anyone who needs a gun in a hurry and can’t pass a background check isn’t someone that I think anyone wants to be armed with a deadly weapon. |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 1:19 PM Author: Orange trust fund half-breed We already have background checks FFS. Mental health checks are sketchy because anyone can be declared a threat. I’d be ok with 3-5 day waits for carbines in some cases but it wouldn’t stop mass shooters. The FL faggot didn’t run out and buy an AR. He’d been stewing for years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409736) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 1:26 PM Author: Outnumbered idea he suggested LOL yeah no reason to err on the side of caution when allowing access to military grade equipment that can cause mass casualties. We should really deregulate anthrax possession while we’re at it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409790) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:46 PM Author: Crusty Dashing Trailer Park "military grade" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410511) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:51 PM Author: Outnumbered idea he suggested gunnerdBEEP! BEEP! BEEP!
"As a civilian, purchasing a Colt 6920 AR-15 is about as close as you will get to owning a definitive mil-spec rifle."
https://loadoutroom.com/thearmsguide/ar-15-isnt-mil-spec-thats-ok/
Hope this helps, austistifag. |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 3:01 PM Author: Orange trust fund half-breed Short of being automatic many civilian rifles are better than military grade (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410643) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 3:11 PM Author: Vivacious Lettuce Base your moniker sums it up, but you're a fucking idiot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410720) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:40 PM Author: racy primrose headpube i'm looking for it. the graphic is poasted on xo a lot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409446) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:40 PM Author: Vivacious Lettuce Base yes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409445) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:42 PM Author: mauve toaster senate Would be 180 if Dems proposed this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409454) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 1:06 PM Author: Outnumbered idea he suggested Homicide rate is 98+% 1-4 people getting killed by handguns. Realistically no one is banning handguns and city level restrictions in blue states are a completely different debate. Every mass shooting is gigantic AR-15esque gun sold legally to crazy fucking assholes, most of whom (other than basically the Vegas guy) were pretty easy to identify as people who are disturbed, see eg Trump’s tweet this morning. That’s the problem to solve. Crazy fucker plus big gun needs to be a big focus of attention. Meanwhile:
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Date: February 15th, 2018 1:24 PM Author: pontificating striped hyena meanwhile: let all muslims in! this isn't narrowly tailored enough! i think you'll find that what trump revoked had the potential and reality of banning a lot of preventing many people of buying guns who should have been able to. look. |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 1:33 PM Author: Outnumbered idea he suggested Jesus you faggots are desperate trying to change the discussion to the travel ban haha. Please link to the NRA/NRA-backed GOP pol’s alternative proposal to deal with mental health screening. I’m sure if both sides are actually taking the problem seriously we’ll be able to fix the problems in the Obama reg while still making sure crazy assholes can’t buy AR-15s whenever they feel like it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409848) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 1:42 PM Author: mind-boggling canary center "gigantic AR-15esque gun"
Lib gun knowledge. |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 1:48 PM Author: Outnumbered idea he suggested I’m not even advocating banning semi-autos like the dude below. It is simply faggot beyond belief that reptiles refuse to engage in the discussion about mental health screening for guns. If you defend mental health screening being off the table you are pro-mass shootings. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409956) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 1:49 PM Author: mind-boggling canary center Are you a lawyer? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409973) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 1:53 PM Author: Outnumbered idea he suggested You are a cornfed faggot so to you I’m more like a God. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409998) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 1:56 PM Author: mind-boggling canary center (not a lawyer) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410032) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 1:58 PM Author: Outnumbered idea he suggested (gay AIDS-infested mental patient clinging to his guns) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410044) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:06 PM Author: Startled provocative church building stain "most of whom (other than basically the Vegas guy) were pretty easy to identify as people who are disturbed"
What examples do you have in mind and on what evidence would you have barred the sale or possession? |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 1:15 PM Author: Orange trust fund half-breed AU has its sovereignty guaranteed by the US. They don’t need guns... for now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409699) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:37 PM Author: peach concupiscible coffee pot field XO: "because there white" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409416) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:37 PM Author: racy primrose headpube the white homicide rate in the US is very close to the homicide rate in europe. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409425) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:29 PM Author: Shimmering chest-beating haunted graveyard stag film And then when muslims spontaneous explode or drive a van of peace through a Christmas market, libs demand we import millions of more Muslim savages. As long as libs insist on importing millions of third world savages into the US, there can be no compromise on "gun control". |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:30 PM Author: Violet Flatulent Legend Location actually, libs put up concrete impediments on roads. and enact airport safety measures. things that deal with the problems at issue.
and fucking lol at you tying immigration to gun control. argument over. |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:31 PM Author: Nudist theater Lol import Muslims to kill you, then hide behind concrete barriers. Ladies and gentlemen, i give you libs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409375) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:32 PM Author: mauve toaster senate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409380) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:33 PM Author: Violet Flatulent Legend Location White Trumpmo autist slaughters a dozen-plus children, then his peers and fans spend the day screaming about blacks and muslims on a website. Ladies and gentlemen, i give you xo. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409386) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:34 PM Author: Nudist theater ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409394) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:34 PM Author: Violet Flatulent Legend Location did i stutter? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409399) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 1:54 PM Author: painfully honest resort the semen dribbling from your noise is muffling your words (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410011) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:03 PM Author: Violet Flatulent Legend Location Date: February 15th, 2018 1:54 PM Author: \'\'\"\'\"\'\'\"
the semen dribbling from your noise is muffling your words
English please. |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:34 PM Author: mauve toaster senate Blacks slaughtering people every day in cities, libs screeching about tranny bathrooms and OMGRussia! Ladies and gentlemen etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409396) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 1:43 PM Author: mind-boggling canary center (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409922) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:31 PM Author: Vivacious Lettuce Base i love how so many of u trumntards don't get that there's a large portion of the country that is moderate.
i personally want to limit muslim immigration, strengthen the requirements for all immigrants (including extensive background checks), but also want major gun control.
the obsession with guns in this country is insane. |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:32 PM Author: Nudist theater Describe major gun control. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409382) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:39 PM Author: Vivacious Lettuce Base a functional and easy-to-access national database of everyone "blacklisted" from owning a gun. that should include anyone on certain medications, histories of mental illness, felons, etc.
banning any high capacity ammo.
limiting how much ammo a person can purchase and hold. i realize this will be difficult to enforce but so are other laws that are on the books.
banning any semi-auto that can easily be converted into a fully automatic.
no assault rifles. actually fuck it, let me go one step further. no semi-automatic rifles either. ban the fucking AR-15. why the fuck does a civilian need that shit.
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:55 PM Author: Abnormal curious round eye hominid Your problem is that you (and most other “moderates”) dont know anything about firearms and that is painfully obvious from this poast.
This isnt a big deal because not everyone needs or wants to inow anything about guns, but it is a problem wheb youre trying to ban something you know nothing about. |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 1:01 PM Author: Violet Flatulent Legend Location substitute "firearms" or "guns" for "drugs," "immigration," "abortion," "gambling," "pornography," etc. and you have a fairly cogent analysis of the Republican majorities in Washington and in various statehouses across the country (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409615) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 1:06 PM Author: Abnormal curious round eye hominid Didnt realize there was a constiutional right to immigrate to the united states or kill a baby. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409644) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 1:11 PM Author: Cruel-hearted abode roast beef any male who is anti-abortion is literally out of their fucking mind. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409682) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 1:15 PM Author: Abnormal curious round eye hominid Third trimester, and even late second, abortions are barbaric and we should be ashmed as a people for allowing them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409697) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 1:24 PM Author: Orange trust fund half-breed Mfcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409769) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 1:36 PM Author: Outnumbered idea he suggested What if the 25 week old fetus has cancer and a 0% chance of surviving past two but will live out its days in agonizing pain? What if it will survive but will be a retarded invalid and require lifetime care? Government makes the choice, huh? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409868) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:21 PM Author: amber locus sweet tailpipe you mean like they do in Europe? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410294) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:28 PM Author: Outnumbered idea he suggested Bullshit. Unless you mean Vatican City. Poland has about the toughest abortion laws in Europe and allows terminations for a fetus that is terminally damaged. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410350) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 4:24 PM Author: Abnormal curious round eye hominid Yes, just do make public policy based on .05% of the cases.
I suppose this makes sense considering libs obsession with tranny bathrooms. |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 4:34 PM Author: Vivacious Lettuce Base hey you stupid fuck, NASA's gets roughly .05 of the US budget. NASA/JPL has more of an impact on your well being than 99% of other shit in your life.
so yeah. sometimes the .05% matters.
idiot fuck.
p.s. - who the fuck is talking about tranny bathrooms in this thread besides you and other trumptards? nobody cares about them. |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 4:35 PM Author: Violet Flatulent Legend Location over 99% of abortions in the United States occur before 21 weeks. you're guilty of precisely what you're accusing libs of. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35411352) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 5:04 PM Author: Abnormal curious round eye hominid link for that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35411527) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 5:22 PM Author: Violet Flatulent Legend Location this is a CDC study for 2014, says 1.3% at 21 weeks or later
https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/data_stats/abortion.htm
number seems to vary by year but its 0-2% pretty consistently. was 1.4 in 2003 https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5511a1.htm |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 5:20 PM Author: Outnumbered idea he suggested Literally happened to a good friend and a cousin. Cousin had the baby bc she’s super catholic and baby survived until now (age 11ish) and is a budding young criminal who consumes millions in tax dollars every year due to his various medical and mental issues. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35411628) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 1:47 PM Author: mind-boggling canary center "banning any high capacity ammo."
Lib gun scholarship. |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:21 PM Author: mewling preventive strike lol'd at this too i assume he meant magazine |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:40 PM Author: Nudist theater Don't assume anything (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410469) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:40 PM Author: Nudist theater Blacklist away a constitutional right. Libs love due process. The rest is lol. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410465) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 3:14 PM Author: Vivacious Lettuce Base so every constitutional right is to stand forever? regardless of changing times?
fucking simpleton shithead |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 3:23 PM Author: amber locus sweet tailpipe (literally wants to repeal the bill of rights) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410815) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 3:25 PM Author: Orange trust fund half-breed It’s almost like there should be a process to amend the constitution. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410833) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:33 PM Author: Cerebral Startling Native Immigrant (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409388) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:33 PM Author: Violet Flatulent Legend Location (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409389) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:52 PM Author: Anal stage therapy Good post. It’s not like anyone who doesn’t love trump is antifa. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409535) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:40 PM Author: Abnormal curious round eye hominid Libs dont care about actually fixing problems. They simply want to amass more power at the expense of law abiding tax paying citizens (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409440) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:43 PM Author: Vivacious Lettuce Base right. liberals who are upset about yesterday's shooting don't want to fix things via gun control.
yeah. ok.
dumbass |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:45 PM Author: Abnormal curious round eye hominid You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409478) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 1:27 PM Author: Orange trust fund half-breed (Guy who thinks starting a civil war would lead to fewer gun deaths) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409796) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 3:15 PM Author: Vivacious Lettuce Base you psychos want to go to war because you may lose a few guns and will be required to wait longer for your next AMAZING GUN?
idiot |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 1:49 PM Author: mind-boggling canary center Cr. It is painfully obvious when their proposed solutions do absolutely nothing to solve their problems. They just want to stick it to straight white Americans. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409965) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 3:16 PM Author: Vivacious Lettuce Base the fact you managed to weave "straight vs/ homosexual" into the conversation says it all.
you're a racist, idiotic piece of shit. probably from some fuckhole in alabama or mississippi. |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 4:25 PM Author: Abnormal curious round eye hominid (Lib who wants to outlaw being white and straight) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35411284) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:43 PM Author: Vigorous gaped blood rage there is no way that reducing the availability of guns will reduce gun violence in this country given all the underground gunsmitheries and bullet manufacturing lines run by the crips and MS13. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409463) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:45 PM Author: Violet Flatulent Legend Location conturds advance the exact opposite argument with respect to drugs. why? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409481) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:46 PM Author: Vigorous gaped blood rage Folks murder is illegal and people STILL DO IT. Laws are stupid and do nothing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409485) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:46 PM Author: Violet Flatulent Legend Location i'm struggling with how that's responsive to my question (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409489) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 12:47 PM Author: Vigorous gaped blood rage Assumed it was rhetorical given how obvious the answer is. Was just venting about another stupid line of conservative reasoning on this issue. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409494) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 1:02 PM Author: onyx passionate community account principal's office Conservatives are just retarded on this issue. It’s mostly upper crust whites killing each other in these mass shootings so whatever. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409623) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 1:12 PM Author: kink-friendly school Lets say, for the sake of argument, that the firearm homicide rate differential between white Americans and Europeans is 1 per 100k. Lets also accept the gun-control advocates position that by implementing the stricter side of their policy prescriptions, we can eliminate that gap, effectively saving 1 in 100k lives. Well the principle that you have basically enshrined is that it is acceptable to materially interfere with the freedom of your populace in order to save lives. Now imagine how the principle can be applied against blacks who have 20x+ the firearm homicide rate. If you were willing to take away/severely restrict the firearms of whites Americans in order to save 1 life in 100k, what will you do to blacks in order to save 19 lives in 100k? If libs were internally consistent, they would be calling for curfews, warrant-less searches, and other measures specifically for black Americans on the exact same basis that they presently do now for gun control. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409689) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 1:17 PM Author: Violet Flatulent Legend Location thank god we now have the 96 IQ libertarian perspective (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409713) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 1:27 PM Author: racy primrose headpube he's kinda right. the black homicide rate in the US is astonishing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409797) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 1:29 PM Author: Vigorous gaped blood rage crazy thought here, and i'm just spit balling, but maybe we should make it harder for them to buy guns too! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409821) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 1:45 PM Author: mauve toaster senate Man you’re smart. Black gangsters are definitely getting the guns to kill each other legally. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409934) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 4:02 PM Author: Vigorous gaped blood rage the legal market supplies the black market, dumbass. gangs aren't operating gunsmitheries and manufacturing fucking bullets. they buy through straw purchasing or steal them from "law abiding gun owners." when you restrict the legal supply, you necessarily constrict the black market. try to keep up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35411147) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:20 PM Author: kink-friendly school ok. lets say you do that and the rate goes from 21 per 100k to 15 per 100k. Now what do you do? Remember you were more than wiling to make dramatic moves to go from 2 to 1 for whites, so what are you willing to do to reduce 15? The answer is practically anything if you are being intellectually consistent. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410286) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 1:46 PM Author: Violet Flatulent Legend Location this is a nice confirmation that the tenets of libertarianism boil down to greed, racism, and antisocial behavior, something that everyone always knew. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409946) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 1:52 PM Author: racy primrose headpube I'm not a libertarian, and you're not addressing his point or mine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409989) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:23 PM Author: kink-friendly school How is anything I said either racist or greedy or antisocial?
Do you want to have a conversation or just throw around personal attacks?
I'll repeat for good measure: If gun control advocates were intellectually consistent, their willingness to trample the rights of Americans should extend past mere gun control as it pertains to black americans since their stated goal is reducing gun deaths. |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:43 PM Author: Nudist theater Libs can't ever see past race. It's like a magic curtain. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410490) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:51 PM Author: Violet Flatulent Legend Location i can see the post that began this subthread, and i can see you being repeatedly willfully obtuse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410561) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 1:30 PM Author: Orange trust fund half-breed I’d support democrats being banned from owning guns (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35409830) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 1:48 PM Author: Cerise tantric travel guidebook It's undermining the right to bear arms with what seems like "commonsense" regulations that do nothing, but constitute incremental attacks on the right itself.
It's the exact same approach pro life people take with pushing for 2nd trimester parental notification requirements for teenagers between 15 and 17. |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 1:54 PM Author: Outnumbered idea he suggested You oppose mental health screening? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410014) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 1:55 PM Author: racy primrose headpube Why don't we compromise and say that anyone judged unfit to purchase/own a gun is also unfit for a litany of other rights, including the right to drive and the right to vote. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410023) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 1:57 PM Author: Outnumbered idea he suggested Uh, we do? Shit, you can lose your right to vote in the south for life if you’re caught with ecstasy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410038) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:00 PM Author: racy primrose headpube so you have to commit a felony to be judged unfit to purchase/own a firearm? i think we can all agree with that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410069) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:07 PM Author: Outnumbered idea he suggested It’s a gay little high school debate argument you’re making. It’s very telling in that you’re desperate to change the subject to anything else other than crazy people getting guns all the time and using them so regularly in this country. But to respond to your faggotty little query, obviously the risks are different, and reasonable minds can debate the relative harms but it seems pretty obvious that it goes something like mass shootings 2-3 times a week >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crazy people off their meds driving >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>a billion more>s voting during an unmedicated manic episode. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410151) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:08 PM Author: racy primrose headpube i'm not against restricting people with mental health issues from owning guns, but then i also think they should be prevented from exercising many other rights as well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410169) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:08 PM Author: Startled provocative church building stain No. The felony-misdemeanor line is far too clumsy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410162) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:16 PM Author: amber locus sweet tailpipe anyone with misdemeanors involving drugs also shouldn't be able to buy guns. would have stopped the Charleston nazi faggot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410251) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:28 PM Author: Orchid casino faggotry You just want to restrict as many people as possible (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410355) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 3:17 PM Author: amber locus sweet tailpipe no. if you actually want to identify who is likely to use the gun to commit a crime then ppl with drug convictions is a good place to start. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410768) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:08 PM Author: amber locus sweet tailpipe I agree that felons shouldn't own guns (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410171) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:18 PM Author: Outnumbered idea he suggested The NRA and GOP do not.
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20150605/house-votes-to-let-nonviolent-ex-felons-restore-gun-rights |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:27 PM Author: Orchid casino faggotry Is tax evasion really a risk factor here? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410344) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:37 PM Author: Shimmering chest-beating haunted graveyard stag film Libs: "felons released from prison should have all their rights restored"
Also
Libs: "convics shouldn't have the right to bear arms!!!" |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:44 PM Author: Outnumbered idea he suggested I'm 100% fine with felony disenfranchisement through completion of parole. I do still hate shithead prosscum and shithead cops, but criminals should lose lots of rights, yes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410493) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:33 PM Author: Startled provocative church building stain That's retarded.
Examples of *felonies* in some jurisdictions:
- throwing a soda (missile) at a bus
- filing a false bingo report
- failing to return a vehicle that secures a loan
- misusing food stamps
And it goes on and on. There are also tons of low-level regulatory felonies for things like not labeling your weed killer correctly. |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 3:52 PM Author: razzle-dazzle rigor I'm fine with people who do this shit not owning guns. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35411067) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 11:13 PM Author: Startled provocative church building stain I don't consider the Subjectively Fine Standard to be much of a starting point for reasoned legislation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35414180) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:02 PM Author: Cerise tantric travel guidebook not by itself, but as an incremental attack on gun rights? then yes.
what I mean is that as long as the right to own and responsibly carry guns is not secure THROUGHOUT the US, then it is completely rational for gun ownership advocates to oppose ALL restrictions, even "common sense" ones as incremental attacks.
I would be fine with mental health screening and background checks nationwide, as long as the right to carry concealed with reasonable licensing is available nationwide. You cant have cities like SF, NY, DC where is to almost impossible to own a handgun and then ask people to accept nationwide regulation. |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:01 PM Author: Outnumbered idea he suggested Bump for earl: I’ve seen you be reasonable on this issue before, despite being very pro-gun owner. How should mental health screening work? You would add way more to this discussion than all the george20 alttards above. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410080) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:04 PM Author: Cerise tantric travel guidebook see above. To get any restrictions, you need to force the right of gun ownership down the throats of liberal mayors.
Mental health screening itself is problematic because of medical confidentiality and the likelihood that people may avoid getting the help they need if it put them on some crazy list that would restrict their liberties. |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:11 PM Author: amber locus sweet tailpipe the last line about not getting help is a very good point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410206) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:24 PM Author: Outnumbered idea he suggested Yeah that’s the stigma I hear people mention the last when they talk about what stops people from dealing with mental health issues: “they might stop me from buying a gun!” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410324) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 3:20 PM Author: amber locus sweet tailpipe there already is plenty of social stigma that stops ppl from dealing with mental health issues. now we want to remove constitutionally protected rights from ppl who do? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410799) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:14 PM Author: Outnumbered idea he suggested That’s a political economy tactic, and while I might agree to a point and also call you and anyone else who is an NRA supporter and makes this argument a callous shithead to a different point, that’s not really what I’m asking. I’m asking how *should* it work. You raise the point above about people avoiding screening, and they do that now anyway, but still that’s more what I’m getting at. What’s the best way to solve those issues and—leaving aside liberal mayors in blue states—do something instead of nothing? And why is it such a problem to have a clear and possibly not 100% perfect screening regime that might cause problems for a small subset (just like voting laws and every other fundamental right) that then births a cottage industry of mental health professionals who help people pass the screening and get a gun? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410229) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:43 PM Author: Cerise tantric travel guidebook I think people adjudicated mentally ill or a danger to themselves or others should not won guns.
I do not believe "doing something rather than nothing" is the right approach. I think we do nothing until gun control advocates drop the opposition to own and carry firearms. You can force TX to submit to background checks when I can jam my carry concealed permit down Mayor DeBlasio's throat. |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:46 PM Author: Outnumbered idea he suggested Yeah I'm totally clear (and completely unsurprised) about the part where you want to shove things down DeBlasio's throat.
What does "adjudicated" mean? Can school counselors adjudicate in some kind of school district proceeding? |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:50 PM Author: Cerise tantric travel guidebook no, a court. otherwise you are taking away constitutional rights without due process. No college admin proceeding is due process. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410548) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:53 PM Author: Outnumbered idea he suggested Should schools then be required refer to courts immediately upon suspicion for a judicial proceeding? Should we set up special gun courts and raise Earl's taxes to pay for it? More to the point, how do you solve the problem of having detection lead effectively to prevention if the only place someone can get adjudicated mentally ill is the same place where it takes years and years to get anything done by design? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410583) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:59 PM Author: Cerise tantric travel guidebook i think we have to take the risk. We can't be adjudicating someone mentally ill because of suspicion, absent behavior that is illegal or a danger to himself or others.
if we have 100 million handguns in the US, we accept that a large number of people will be killed by firearms. mass shootings by crazies is part of that risk and for all the news coverage, the risk of a crazy with an AR-15 relative to a gang banger with a clock is insignificant.
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Date: February 15th, 2018 3:27 PM Author: Outnumbered idea he suggested A huge part of the most effective screening will happen in high schools and colleges. I agree some amount of illegal/dangerous behavior is a logical trigger for scrutiny, but the nature of minors and the extra-judicial college code systems is that you're relying on these people to be effective canaries. I think we need some sort of system with a quasi-private i.e. NGO-type org, maybe partnering with state mental health to vet people, but am fine with the ultimate stripping of the right being done by a court as long as it can be done reasonably quickly.
Disagree on gangbangers v. mass shootings. Gangbangers is a much more complex problem that has an entire black market sourcing issue to solve that makes it different. And the reality is there are just some aspects of those communities that foster the environment e.g. "stop snitchin." Keep guns out of the hands of crazy people seems much simpler by comparison as long as both sides can agree to work together. But you've indulged me in this subthread WAY more than any actual policy people on the pro-gun side of the gun control debate have ever engaged meaningfully on this at the federal level. And that makes them, objectively speaking, evil shitheads. |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 3:32 PM Author: Cerise tantric travel guidebook I engage because I seem to be the only person who thinks that compromise is the answer, and that compromise means give and take, rather than take less and shame any opposition.
As long as gun ownership is a constitutional right (and I believe it is) then we need real substantive due process to take that away - which means a real court making a determination about danger.
That's why all the hand wringing about Trump overturning Obama's rule that people deemed by the social security admin as unable to care for themselves is bullshit - that is a concern, but not sufficient to take away a constitutional right absent a determination as to danger.
Having strict processes to take away rights will invariably lead to people slipping through the system (see criminal justice) but as Americans we typically think that is better than taking away rights from the "innocent"
That's the risk we have to live with in a gun culture. |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:52 PM Author: bateful rough-skinned kitchen organic girlfriend So nothing can be done? "Sorry kids, you need to die because Uncle Earl wants his guns." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410567) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 3:03 PM Author: Cerise tantric travel guidebook if you propose a restriction that marginally increases safety relative to the infringement on liberty, then I will listen. I will not listen to proposals for symbolic bans on "assault weapons" which have minimal marginal utility at the cost of taking away the property of millions of americans.
If you are also advocating a ban on all semi-automatic handguns, because those are the most dangerous firearms of all, at least that is intellectually consistent. It is impossible given our gun culture, but it is a fair argument. |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 3:05 PM Author: bateful rough-skinned kitchen organic girlfriend You know so much about guns, what do you think should be done? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410660) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 3:15 PM Author: Cerise tantric travel guidebook i think assuming we accept the gun culture and a certain number of deaths associated with it, should:
1) make nationwide carry concealed legal and private gun ownership legal everywhere. Fuck DeBlasio, Garcetti and whoever the majors of DC and SF are.
2) stop pushing for assault weapons bans.
3) limit magazines to 30 rounds.
4) enforce background checks and waiting periods for all gun purchases, the background check should screen out anyone adjudicated mentally ill.
5) require people to report the theft of firearms and have some moderately strict penalty for people who do not report the theft and whose stolen weapons are used in a crime.
6) having licensing requirements for carry concealed (which is legal everywhere again) be comparable to a standard written and practical driving test.
compromise can work. but compromise is GIVE and take, not "we only take a little"
trying to shift the status quo through shame will not work. |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 3:49 PM Author: bateful rough-skinned kitchen organic girlfriend 1. I agree. Getting a handgun in NYC was a huge PITA. But a tough process should be required. Like in-person interviews and phone calls with co-residents (like spouses and parents, etc.) to make sure you're not giving a crazy dude a gun.
2. Why are you opposed to assault weapon bans? Those fucking things are easy to shoot, which is what makes them both fun and deadly as fuck.
3. I would go with 20. Ten is stupid.
4. Background checks should be expanded.
5. Agree. Has to be on federal level. That's why I'd push for a federal gun registry to cut down on straw buyers.
6. I agree with this 100%. Make gun applicants show up in a police station or something and someone should look at some goofy fuck like the Columbine shooter and not give him a gun. |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 3:56 PM Author: Cerise tantric travel guidebook what you ask for in 1) is too much. You need real substantive due process to restrict constitutional rights. criminal records, adjudication of mentally ill or a danger to self or others, etc. I'm okay with DMV level testing for carry concealed. Clean record, showing you know how to use a gun, etc.
2) if you want to ban an AR-15 which is ubiquitous and would thus represent a significant infringement on liberty and property, you needs to make a convincing argument that the AR-15 and other "assault weapons" are marginally substantially more dangerous than other semi automatic rifles. You can't make this argument because its not true. If you want to bank semi auto rifles, that is more intellectually consistent, but it is politically untenable. And if you are banning things based on marginal risk, you need to ban semi-auto handguns, which is the fundamental basis of our gun culture and gun rights. In other words, we allow the most dangerous weapons and accept that this will lead to a certain number of deaths each year.
- but at least we have a starting point for compromise and some points of agreement. This is 100X better than trying to shame people into one-sided action with photos of dead children that we pretend to care about unless they are our children. |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 5:48 PM Author: Outnumbered idea he suggested Good job itt. For what it’s worth you convinced me (previously) that assault weapons bans are stupid. I think you take the crocodile tears for the fundamental right a bit too far. We burden the shit out of voting, marriage, abortions and various other fundamental rights/“fundamental rights” for various policy reasons. And that may offend your political sensibilities/you may disagree with it as policy, but it’s at best disingenuous to construe it as a critical due process issue that creates such a terrible burden and try to shuttle under all the weak lib precedents about other issues like gay marriage that pose a far less direct and significant purported threat to public safety. You end up defending a fundamental right to own nuclear weapons or whatever. The compromise has to necessarily involve gun rights advocates agreeing to some extra hassles to be more effective screening out dangerous people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35411805) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 6:00 PM Author: Cerise tantric travel guidebook Given how close the right to gun ownership is to the text of the second amendment, versus how close the right to abortion is to the ??? amendment, can you find an enforced abortion restriction anywhere that is as onerous as the process for buying a handgun in DC or manhattan right now?
I agree that the second amendment is not quite the first amendment, but also that you need some adjudication of danger with respect to mental health - not simply being listed as incompetent on a SS role, or being listed on a terror watch list based on internet spying be the NSA. |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 7:29 PM Author: Outnumbered idea he suggested Given that abortions are essentially impossible in several states now, uh, yes. Having to travel 700 miles from West Texas to go to one of a handful of places is a much bigger burden than a background check. Agree to a point with what you're saying on adjudication. The terrorist watch list thing is shady, and the SSI should be a trigger to a review, not the final word, but just saying "fuck it let super crazy people who the SSI knows should never have a gun get them until I get my CCL in D.C. and NYC" is still a shithead position. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35412401) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 1:46 AM Author: Cerise tantric travel guidebook honestly, I think its consistent to oppose all gun reform no matter how common sense till I can get my CCL in NYC, because the inability to buy a pistol in NYC (which is still a lot harder than driving 700 miles in texas for an abortion) is indicative of the fact that half the country does not respect gun ownership rights as well and would gladly engage in confiscation if possible. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35415082) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:43 PM Author: bateful rough-skinned kitchen organic girlfriend White lady gets shot by an illegal, and re-tards want to build a wall. Seventeen children get shot, and re-tards are explaining why we are completely helpless against mass shootings. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410488) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:44 PM Author: magical arrogant juggernaut party of the first part nomination for dumbest poast of the year (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410498) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:47 PM Author: bateful rough-skinned kitchen organic girlfriend *offers thoughts and prayers* *cashes NRA check* |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:48 PM Author: Vibrant indian lodge yarmulke (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410535) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:53 PM Author: Crusty Dashing Trailer Park don't forget the similar one he made above (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410573) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:58 PM Author: bateful rough-skinned kitchen organic girlfriend *sacrifices children on NRA altar* *cashes NRA check* |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 3:24 PM Author: amber locus sweet tailpipe yfwgi (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410822) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 3:34 PM Author: bateful rough-skinned kitchen organic girlfriend *walks by family of grieving Sandy Hook victims to get to ATM* *deposits NRA check* |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 3:36 PM Author: Cerise tantric travel guidebook *notices the families are cashing their own checks from MSNBC* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410929) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 3:40 PM Author: bateful rough-skinned kitchen organic girlfriend *congratulates Alex Jones* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410970) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 3:44 PM Author: Cerise tantric travel guidebook you asked me above for a reasoned argument and when I gave one you ignored it and decided to continue down subthread wastelands calling each other faggots instead. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410997) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 3:49 PM Author: bateful rough-skinned kitchen organic girlfriend Responded. I do agree with you. I have a gun in NYC. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35411051) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:48 PM Author: Vibrant indian lodge yarmulke And if libs actually proposed laws that would help, what would shitcons do? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410529) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:50 PM Author: bateful rough-skinned kitchen organic girlfriend *offers thoughts and prayers* *votes against commonsense gun laws* *wrings hands* *cashes NRA checks* |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 3:17 PM Author: Vibrant indian lodge yarmulke (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410776) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:56 PM Author: Sadistic Institution The risk of you or your family being gunned down in public, in school, at church, etc., is a risk the American people have decided to tolerate in exchange for the right to easily stockpile guns. Live with it or move. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410600) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 2:56 PM Author: trip dragon station (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410603) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 3:05 PM Author: Orange trust fund half-breed ...Right to not be conquered ever by anyone (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410669) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 3:12 PM Author: mauve toaster senate What is that risk exactly? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410733) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 3:53 PM Author: onyx passionate community account principal's office Better chance of that happening than getting blown up by ISIS but I agree that both are low probability events and shouldn’t influence our public policies. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35411079) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 4:00 PM Author: Cerise tantric travel guidebook only one infringes on the constitutional right of Americans (if you mean muslim ban) and the other policy also prevents a critical mass of non-assimilated muslim communities from growing, which is a real and important public policy that we cant talk about. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35411129) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 3:27 PM Author: Frozen plaza fanboi FREEDUM! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35410849) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 3:52 PM Author: stimulating ivory meetinghouse famous landscape painting Oh wow great thread! A bunch of assholes arguing about shit that no one is gonna change their mind about! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35411071) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 4:48 PM Author: Orange trust fund half-breed I was going to sarcastically say “so every thread?” But think of how many bros got red pulled or went Barack to Trump over the last 5-6 years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35411445) |
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Date: February 15th, 2018 6:43 PM Author: Nudist theater (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3893903&forum_id=2#35412119) |