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What kind of Gun Control is being demanded? Seems vague/impossible/ineffective.
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Date: February 16th, 2018 10:50 AM Author: Laughsome bonkers forum We should control guns, I agree. But what policies are we suggesting? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3894734&forum_id=2#35416500) |
Date: February 16th, 2018 10:51 AM Author: drab motley circlehead http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-38365729 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3894734&forum_id=2#35416509) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 10:58 AM Author: Laughsome bonkers forum I'd say a "shotgun and air-rifle only" approach falls under impossible, probably unconstitutional too.
You're not suggesting we become a vastly homogeneous culture, I assume.
But yeah I'm not sure how much gun control is going to prevent gangsters and violent spouses from killing each other, which makes up 99.5% of our gun violence. |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 11:00 AM Author: Insecure travel guidebook Tbh nobody cares about that. We care about stopping random mass killings (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3894734&forum_id=2#35416605) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 11:03 AM Author: Walnut concupiscible market The stat you're looking for is the percentage of murders committed by people illegally possessing guns.
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Date: February 16th, 2018 11:00 AM Author: blathering office If libs want to repeal the 2nd and parts of the 4th amendments, ban handguns, and and make it virtually impossible to own a shotgun, then they should say so. That way we can all agree it will never happen and move on. Dancing around "common sense solutions" that will have no impact is not helpful. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3894734&forum_id=2#35416598) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 11:02 AM Author: unholy aromatic tank There are some "common sense" solutions that have broad support and will help some at the margins, though. It's not going to make some huge statistical change, but a little help is still help. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3894734&forum_id=2#35416624) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 11:04 AM Author: blathering office My poast was an on point response the the Japanese plan described in that article.
Anyway, like what? No fly list? I don't think using mental health diagnoses is nearly as easy as some think. People will avoid treatment and and the diagnosis. Or are we talking CA style regs nationwide? |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 11:12 AM Author: unholy aromatic tank Things like requiring background checks for all sales (including private transfers and gun show sales), increased liability for people who let others access their guns, uniform waiting periods, barring ownership for those convicted of certain crimes, requiring training courses, things of that nature. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3894734&forum_id=2#35416712) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 11:18 AM Author: blathering office Ok, I can get with most or all of that. It's nothing like what's suggested at the start of this subthread tho. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3894734&forum_id=2#35416769) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 10:53 AM Author: ungodly passionate queen of the night (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3894734&forum_id=2#35416533) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 10:53 AM Author: Carnelian Trip Space Mad Cow Disease guy who lives in a first world country here, sup (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3894734&forum_id=2#35416541) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 10:58 AM Author: Laughsome bonkers forum It's obviously not diverse enough to be considered first world. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3894734&forum_id=2#35416589) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 11:00 AM Author: Carnelian Trip Space Mad Cow Disease homogeneity is a requisite for first world status. there are only 3 first world countries in existence today:
north korea = the most homogeneous country in the world south korea = the second most homogeneous country in the world japan = 98% homogeneous - still a tragedy considering their homogeneous past |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 10:54 AM Author: idiotic school ceo COMMON SENSE GUN CONTROL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3894734&forum_id=2#35416548) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 10:55 AM Author: Ultramarine center common sense abortion laws (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3894734&forum_id=2#35416555) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 10:59 AM Author: mentally impaired becky (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3894734&forum_id=2#35416594) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 10:55 AM Author: Cerise impressive address crotch Does the guy look creepy? NO GUN! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3894734&forum_id=2#35416553) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 10:55 AM Author: claret startling cumskin pervert Please refrain from using "control." It's now "gun safety" legislation.
Thank. DNC |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 10:56 AM Author: Walnut concupiscible market Anything proposed will always be vague/impossible/ineffective because the ultimate goal is the outlawing of private gun ownership, and that is not possible today. Libs have to take an incremental approach to get to the goal.
Even on XO, when pushed, libs are open that the goal is to remove guns from private citizens.
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Date: February 16th, 2018 10:58 AM Author: ungodly passionate queen of the night last line is key (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3894734&forum_id=2#35416582) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 10:58 AM Author: lavender lascivious base sex offender (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3894734&forum_id=2#35416586) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 10:59 AM Author: idiotic school ceo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3894734&forum_id=2#35416593) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 11:04 AM Author: sickened principal's office elastic band no one cares about ARE country rednecks shooting at trees on their farm. libs want to reduce gun violence in schools and big cities, period. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3894734&forum_id=2#35416646) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 11:08 AM Author: ungodly passionate queen of the night how's that working out for them? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3894734&forum_id=2#35416689) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 5:24 PM Author: sickened principal's office elastic band its a lot more difficult when they try to give big city mayors the discretion to ban handgunds and the NRA's paid-for politicians and judges say that's a no no (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3894734&forum_id=2#35420013) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 11:10 AM Author: Walnut concupiscible market When libs talk about gun control, they are almost always talking about what people out in the country are doing (i.e. owning AR-15's). They are never talking about the crazy high urban murder rates in deep blue cities. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3894734&forum_id=2#35416698) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 11:24 AM Author: duck-like mental disorder factory reset button That's really not true, especially from those who have studied the issue and written detailed policy papers. Mayor Bloomberg spent a lot of time and money funding studies and getting the word out about how the market for illegal guns functions in NYC. Something like 80% of the guns used in violent crimes in NYC were purchased in Virginia or NC. People buy entire arsenals legally, and eventually through private sales, they end up in the hands of criminals and gangs.
One thing I sort of agree with conservatives on is that the local gun control restrictions and the modest restrictions currently being debated won't do all that much (although I still believe they are worth pursuing). We could drastically limit gun crime but it would require far more stricter measures that include severely limiting the production of guns and ammunition. |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 11:26 AM Author: Walnut concupiscible market Fair enough. However, this is not where most of the histrionic shitlibs are coming from. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3894734&forum_id=2#35416837) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 10:57 AM Author: Brass Half-breed Orchestra Pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3894734&forum_id=2#35416576) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 10:58 AM Author: sooty splenetic messiness church building The only “gun control” that would work would be an Australian type law. Since we are not going to do that, the only other solution is to treat schools like prisons. Very few guarded entrances, metal detectors, armed teachers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3894734&forum_id=2#35416584) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 11:03 AM Author: Insecure travel guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3894734&forum_id=2#35416639) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 10:58 AM Author: Ultramarine center The funniest part about all this is that ASSAULT RIFLES is a huge fucking red herring. 98% of gun homicides are committed with handguns etc. So what happens when you ban assault rifles and nothing changes? |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 11:00 AM Author: idiotic school ceo then you ban bolt-action rifles. after that, handguns. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3894734&forum_id=2#35416599) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 11:01 AM Author: Walnut concupiscible market Put another way, do you think that libs will be happy with an "Assault Weapon" ban and won't push to ban something else?
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Date: February 16th, 2018 11:22 AM Author: Multi-colored Buck-toothed Meetinghouse Wolf Blitzer was grilling Rick Scott last night on why the age to buy an AR is 18 but 21 for handguns and "why he could buy an AR but couldn't buy a beer". Scott held back from arguing or calling him a dumbass, which I thought was pretty impressive of him.
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Date: February 16th, 2018 11:01 AM Author: Judgmental kitty piazza Japans laws seem reasonable (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3894734&forum_id=2#35416620) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 11:02 AM Author: sickened principal's office elastic band huge gunmo here but i'd be ok with these:
-implement a drivers license-type test for gun ownership. x hours of practice, written test, etc. it should be at least as difficult to become a licensed gun owner as it is to become a licensed driver.
-eliminate high capacity magazines, which are almost never used in self-defense and almost always used in mass shootings
-regulate bump stocks the same as NFA weapons (no brainier..even the NRA agrees)
-require a state-issued ID after a background check to purchase ammunition |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 11:05 AM Author: Judgmental kitty piazza Why would anyone be opposed to this? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3894734&forum_id=2#35416653) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 11:05 AM Author: Chrome autistic bawdyhouse libs would disagree because of the state-issued ID part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3894734&forum_id=2#35416660) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 11:07 AM Author: sickened principal's office elastic band because they think libs want to disarm the citizens so they can make the USA an oppressive police state and that any gun control measures are a step in that direction (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3894734&forum_id=2#35416670) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 11:08 AM Author: Judgmental kitty piazza So it always comes back to the slippery slope argument? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3894734&forum_id=2#35416688) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 11:10 AM Author: sickened principal's office elastic band a large part of it is that.
also, you have to have bad guys with guns in order to justify letting good guys have guns. |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 11:14 AM Author: unholy aromatic tank Well, if you buy into the argument that private gun ownership is a check on overbearing government, then the bump stock ban and government-administered test could be used to do away with that check. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3894734&forum_id=2#35416737) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 11:07 AM Author: duck-like mental disorder factory reset button Agreed on all of that. I'd also put limits on the purchase of ammunition. One of the easy reforms is to require background checks for private sales and at all gun shows as well. I'd prefer a database (either fed or local level) of title for guns like we have for real property. So if you sell your gun privately it has to be recorded like a deed and include certification that the atf background check was performed. All of this is a pipedream though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3894734&forum_id=2#35416681) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 11:08 AM Author: Stimulating windowlicker kitchen 1. If we do this for the right to own guns, I demand we do the same for the right to vote.
2. No.
3. This isn’t a terrible idea but I’m not sure it would totally work. There are bootleg ways to get the same effect as a bump stock. I also fear this would leak into banning modified triggers and light weight trigger breaks.
4. No background checks on ammo. It would turn a quick purchase into a fucking process. All this accomplishes is making gun ownership more inconvenient, which leads to the lib goal of eradicating gun ownership. |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 11:14 AM Author: aqua vigorous place of business haunted graveyard if anything it's too easy to get a drivers' license. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3894734&forum_id=2#35416732) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 11:14 AM Author: blathering office 1. Ok, for voting too tho. And you'd have to make it a federal ID to avoid places like California "resisting."
2. I'm not convinced.
3. Ok.
4. See #1. |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 11:20 AM Author: Walnut concupiscible market I'd be fine with these as well as a total ban on bump stocks. That's not what libs want through. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3894734&forum_id=2#35416794) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 11:11 AM Author: bistre puppy temple They want to disarm white people. That is the main angle leftists and the media as a whole are pushing.They do not care about nigs shooting each other. They do not care about mud monkeys doing terrorist attacks. They only care when it is a white person and then emphasize their whiteness as much as possible and cite it as the main reason why we need gun control. Look at Europe. To get to things like mass immigration, state surveillance, state propaganda telling you to hate your own race, hate speech laws, etc., you need to completely disarm white people. Liberals do not have a problem with guns or gun ownership. They have a problem with white people legally being allowed to possess guns. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3894734&forum_id=2#35416710) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 11:14 AM Author: sickened principal's office elastic band it really isn't. im a gunmo but im very lib for this board. libs want to stop shootings in schools and large cities. they don't really care about white people in rural alabama shooting at paint cans in their back yard. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3894734&forum_id=2#35416725) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 11:15 AM Author: Stimulating windowlicker kitchen No they want to remove all private ownership of guns (and thus, eventually all private property) and make everyone dependent on the government. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3894734&forum_id=2#35416738) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 11:15 AM Author: Ultramarine center correct. Even the cuckiest of republicans realizes this so I don't trust the self-described "gunmo here but..." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3894734&forum_id=2#35416745) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 11:19 AM Author: sickened principal's office elastic band you dont have to trust me but i could easily post a half a dozen threads ive created in the past year discussing my gun hobby (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3894734&forum_id=2#35416781) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 11:19 AM Author: sickened principal's office elastic band yeah we really dont. we have no incentive to even care about that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3894734&forum_id=2#35416773) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 11:20 AM Author: Stimulating windowlicker kitchen Said the injured wolf to the naive lamb attempting to draw it in closer... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3894734&forum_id=2#35416786) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 11:28 AM Author: sickened principal's office elastic band https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b3b_1517941110 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3894734&forum_id=2#35416842) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 11:15 AM Author: Ultramarine center NO to any gun control laws ever. We need to take the battle to the Jewish-led left and advocate for striking down all state laws that require a license for open/concealed carry. You should not need a license for this. |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 11:17 AM Author: drab motley circlehead People who think like you have blood on your hands. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3894734&forum_id=2#35416751) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 11:17 AM Author: aqua vigorous place of business haunted graveyard this is completely backwards. Libs want to take guns out of the hands or urban youths but can't say so directly because it would offend a critical part of their base. they focus on mass shooters and redneck NRA types as the "bad guys" because it's more politically palatable (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3894734&forum_id=2#35416752) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 11:20 AM Author: Carmine Sanctuary Libs literally think “racist cops” are responsible for the preponderance of Black deaths (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3894734&forum_id=2#35416785) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 11:28 AM Author: Walnut concupiscible market If anything, I'm surprised there hasn't been a lib movement to disarm police officers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3894734&forum_id=2#35416847) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 11:28 AM Author: Unhinged theater stage indirect expression Their plan for gun control is ban guns, fuck white people, and let black felons out of prison with the hopes they'll kill whitey in order to reduce the number of white voters. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3894734&forum_id=2#35416843) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 11:33 AM Author: Henna sexy state Look at your social media feed and see all of the liberals who are posting articles about how the gun laws in Australia work so well. Liberals say they do not want a gun grab, but they exactly want a gun grab. When they say we have to do something, they mean we need to take incremental steps to show that we are doing something towards our goal of a gun grab.
I have no problem with nationwide mandatory background checks, but I will not agree to a single inch in commonsense gun regulation until the right to private gun ownership is unassailable everywhere in the country. Only when the right to own and carry firearms is jammed down the fucking throat of Mayor DeBlasio, then will I feel comfortable enough that the right is secure to allow for commonsense regulation. These shithead liberals think that compromise is only restricting guns not taking them away.
Compromise is I will agree to background checks as long as carry conceal is legal in every single state and city if you pass a test that is comparable to the drivers license test. People with concealed carry licenses commit fewer crimes than just about anybody. The fake handwringing about carry concealed reciprocity shows that the left is not on board with a compromise that involves give-and-take, they want to take but they're willing to take a little less right now. |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 11:37 AM Author: Walnut concupiscible market If only we had something in the federal constitution that secured the right to bear arms. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3894734&forum_id=2#35416894) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 3:58 PM Author: charcoal angry mediation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3894734&forum_id=2#35419315) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 3:57 PM Author: charcoal angry mediation maybe the "common sense" solution is stop making schools such miserable places that they cause these young men to decide that the only honorable way out is to kill their classmates (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3894734&forum_id=2#35419302) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 4:07 PM Author: Thriller University Ape (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3894734&forum_id=2#35419388) |