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Another Problem With NBC Olympics Coverage #ironside
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Date: February 20th, 2018 12:11 PM Author: know-it-all gaming laptop ljl at this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5410167/NBCs-terrible-Olympics-worse-week-two.html
so, us sports tv coverage is basically entirely manufactured around SELLING A NARRATIVE, and the entire thing falls apart because the media cant control the narrative with live sports and anything can happen |
Date: February 20th, 2018 12:18 PM Author: aromatic chad I've poasted ad nauseum on xo about how American sports fans don't like sports -- they like celebrity and events and winning.
Funnily enough I was thinking about making a thread about how I've found I specifically dislike the narratives because it gives me rooting interest, and then I end up disappointed. My favorite events are the ones where I don't have a rooting interest because I can just watch the competition. |
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Date: February 20th, 2018 1:11 PM Author: Thirsty gold gas station Maybe they just don't like boring Olympic sports (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898437&forum_id=2#35445125) |
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Date: February 20th, 2018 1:22 PM Author: aromatic chad I don't know how any sports fan can't find something they like during the Olympics. The breadth of offerings is staggering.
But maybe you just equate boring with "not popular", in which case you're basically a woman.
Let me guess, favorite sports are football, baseball, golf, etc? All the really popular ones here? |
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Date: February 20th, 2018 1:33 PM Author: Thirsty gold gas station Yes, because it's what I grew up playing and watching. Not sure how that negates my point.
The reason people find them boring is irrelevant. Your point was that "American sports fans don't like sports -- they like celebrity and events and winning."
I don't think that's true. They just don't like olympic sports. |
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Date: February 20th, 2018 1:34 PM Author: aromatic chad "Despite surface appearances to the contrary, the consumer age is deathly boring. Boredom is caused, not because an activity is inherently boring, but because it is not meaningful to the person. Since the life of the consumer revolves around the overkill of meaningless manufactured low-level material desires, it is quickly engulfed by boredom, as well as jadedness, ennui and discontent."
https://newint.org/columns/essays/2016/04/01/psycho-spiritual-crisis/
i.e., you basically let mass media dictate to you what you like. no sport is inherently more boring than another. luge is not inherently more boring than sprinting in track. |
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Date: February 20th, 2018 1:40 PM Author: Thirsty gold gas station Nah my dad did when he taught me golf or my neighrhood friends did when we played football and baseball. Your original point was that Americans don't enjoy sports. They do. Just not olympic ones for a myriad of reasons, which aren't really relevant. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898437&forum_id=2#35445352) |
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Date: February 20th, 2018 12:27 PM Author: dull public bath Does the US usually do this bad in the Winter Olympics? I read somewhere that basically almost all of our gold medals,are in snowboarding (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898437&forum_id=2#35444808) |
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Date: February 20th, 2018 12:30 PM Author: aromatic chad we're not usually one of the very top teams, but we are pretty good.
we just don't crush it like we do in the summer games. but who cares? there are tons of good athletes and events to watch |
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Date: February 20th, 2018 12:31 PM Author: know-it-all gaming laptop how is 6th place "this bad"? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898437&forum_id=2#35444834) |
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Date: February 20th, 2018 12:36 PM Author: dull public bath I guess I’m going by by US standards in Summer games. Do US fans mistakenly believe we should be dominating and when they realize we arent, they tune out? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898437&forum_id=2#35444870) |
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Date: February 20th, 2018 12:38 PM Author: know-it-all gaming laptop that, plus the coverage is SPS because it's focused around forcememing certain us athletes and selling a narrative that they cant control. if they just showed cool live sports, more fans would prob watch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898437&forum_id=2#35444885) |
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Date: February 20th, 2018 12:40 PM Author: aromatic chad cr, they forcememe naratives to turn on casual and non-sports fans, and then those casual and non-fans are disillusioned when the narratives don't pan out.
this is what happens when $$ drives sports |
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Date: February 20th, 2018 12:42 PM Author: know-it-all gaming laptop it's amazing how the kike media operates with anything -- sports, politics, etc. even putting aside shitlib bias, it's all a giant pre-manufactured production. they cant just naturally cover any sort of event. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898437&forum_id=2#35444905) |
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Date: February 20th, 2018 12:45 PM Author: metal theater (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898437&forum_id=2#35444930) |
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Date: February 20th, 2018 12:47 PM Author: aromatic chad it's because their goal, like a lot of sports federations, is $$.
their coverage is tailored towards casual and non-fans. |
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Date: February 20th, 2018 12:53 PM Author: Grizzly address tbf olympians have been forcememed from the beginning of the olympics. you have to have stars to get attention. random "sports" for the sake of sports died when ABC Wide World of Sports died. there's just too many other options now.
also, the people being forcememed used to be good. when NBC hypes up an athlete for months and then that person fails to even make the finals for their sport, that's not great for the athlete or for nbc |
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Date: February 20th, 2018 12:55 PM Author: aromatic chad >> you have to have stars to get attention. <<
wrong. you have to do that to get attention from people who don't give a shit. and that's the problem. |
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Date: February 20th, 2018 12:56 PM Author: dull public bath I agree thats a problem, but what are some solutions? How else are non sports fans going to tune in? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898437&forum_id=2#35445018) |
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Date: February 20th, 2018 12:58 PM Author: aromatic chad get them to be interested in the sport and the competition? do primers on the sports and the people who participate?
i'm so fucking tired of every entertainment outlet being dumbed-down for non-fans. |
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Date: February 20th, 2018 1:18 PM Author: Fluffy clear persian market Yea, I don't mind them forcememing some winter athlete that works part time at REI to pay her bills.
But it's TTT when they end up sucking ass. |
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Date: February 20th, 2018 1:23 PM Author: Grizzly address we had the most total medals by a fair margin just two winter olympics ago.
we're getting beat right now by the Netherlands, where it barely ever snows. |
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Date: February 20th, 2018 1:26 PM Author: aromatic chad but 2 winter olympics ago we were just crushing it in all the snowboard and freestyle events when they were basically new.
and yes we might be getting beat by the Netherlands, but the Netherlands medals are basically all from long track speed skating, so who cares?
i will say our speed skating team has really hit the shits. we used to be so good at speed skating. |
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Date: February 20th, 2018 1:28 PM Author: Grizzly address we're still medaling in the snowboard and freestyle events. the problem is we aren't medaling as much anymore in figure skating, speed skating, hockey, downhill skiing, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898437&forum_id=2#35445250) |
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Date: February 20th, 2018 1:32 PM Author: aromatic chad >> we're still medaling in the snowboard and freestyle events. <<
but not as much. and it will get worse as they get more competitive.
we are still very very good at alpine skiing, though a bit of an off year with the men as bode has retired and ted ligety is about to. the women are still pretty good.
hockey offers a single men's medal and we're in the finals for the women.
figure skating we have been very very good the last 20 years.
i agree that we have taken a huge hit in speed skating, but we have made a lot of gains in xc skiing and nordic combined. |
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Date: February 20th, 2018 12:46 PM Author: rough-skinned locus ceo The team is almost entirely millennials who are soft, self absorbed pussies who'd rather talk about gay rights than just shut up and skate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898437&forum_id=2#35444939) |
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Date: February 20th, 2018 12:48 PM Author: dull public bath Im not following the winter olympics but i do recall my phone pushing stories about US team members refusing to shake Mike Pence’s hand if they win (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898437&forum_id=2#35444952) |
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Date: February 20th, 2018 12:52 PM Author: aromatic chad the media likes to talk out both sides of their mouths.
they love to push the narrative that we can put aside our differences for sports, but at the same time they take a sporting event and foment those differences |
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Date: February 20th, 2018 12:53 PM Author: know-it-all gaming laptop (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898437&forum_id=2#35444995) |
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Date: February 20th, 2018 12:48 PM Author: flesh generalized bond stead Why are you guys watching the SPS nbc coverage?
Just watch the sports streams/live feeds. There's even an NBC app for smart TVs that lets you watch any sport you want. |
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Date: February 20th, 2018 12:48 PM Author: know-it-all gaming laptop who said we are? we're just ljl'ing at it tanking. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898437&forum_id=2#35444957) |
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Date: February 20th, 2018 12:50 PM Author: flesh generalized bond stead Oh ok fair enough
I'm all for NBC ratings tanking similar to NFL |
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Date: February 20th, 2018 12:53 PM Author: know-it-all gaming laptop (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898437&forum_id=2#35444987) |
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Date: February 20th, 2018 12:49 PM Author: aromatic chad NBCSN is much better than regular NBC (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898437&forum_id=2#35444968) |
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Date: February 20th, 2018 12:54 PM Author: aromatic chad btw, did you know the IOC set event start times to help out NBC's coverage bc they get so much money from NBC?
so events like figure skating are taking place in the morning in Pyeongchang, when they would normally be in the evening. |
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Date: February 20th, 2018 1:00 PM Author: snowy headpube range That actually makes sense. Korea shouldn't be on the other side of the world if they want to hold events at normal times. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898437&forum_id=2#35445041) |
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Date: February 20th, 2018 1:05 PM Author: Grizzly address if Papua New Guinea brought the TV ratings that the US and Canada do, perhaps we can adjust event starts to their primetime
the Olympics and the World Cup should pretty much only take place in the US, Canada, and western Europe for this reason, but that's a different discussion. |
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Date: February 20th, 2018 1:08 PM Author: aromatic chad I have no problem if the events only take place in countries where they are popular.
What I have a problem with is when they specifically change up athletes' preparations solely for TV ratings. They are then making competition-level decisions for $$/ratings. |
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Date: February 20th, 2018 1:16 PM Author: Grizzly address why do US Open tennis matches go on at 11 PM or after midnight and then go until 2 or 3 in the morning? is that natural "preparation"?
and ps, most skaters have been skating at 5 or 6 AM their whole lives, not 8 PM |
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Date: February 20th, 2018 1:19 PM Author: aromatic chad >> why do US Open tennis matches go on at 11 PM or after midnight and then go until 2 or 3 in the morning? is that natural "preparation"? <<
prime time ratings $$. that's proving my point.
and yes, but competitions are always at night
they did the same thing with biathalon -- NBC asked that it be held at night so they could show it in the morning, nevermind that its colder and windier and harder to shoot at night. |
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Date: February 20th, 2018 1:26 PM Author: Grizzly address yes but you giggle like a schoolgirl at the tennis. which is proving my point. and post-midnight is not "prime time."
the US figure skating championships largely took place in the morning and the afternoon. yes, they were in California this year, but this is not atypical. there's too many fucking events and heats and stages to have them all in the evening.
http://www.usfigureskating.org/leaderboard/results/2018/26192/results.html
the schedule wasn't that different from the 2017 championships, which were in Kansas City
https://www.usfigureskating.org/leaderboard/results/2017/24267/results.html
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Date: February 20th, 2018 1:30 PM Author: aromatic chad i love tennis as a sport, but i'm not exactly a supporter of what the US Open does. If you've read our threads on the USO, you'll note we have all been critical of decisions made by the USTA, including scheduling, demolishing historical stadiums, and creating a stadium (Arthur Ashe) that is so big it sucks for fans.
i don't know when every skating event is held. i'm just telling you what i read regarding the pull of NBC. i don't think it's kosher for a network to dictate when events are held. |
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Date: February 20th, 2018 3:46 PM Author: know-it-all gaming laptop (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898437&forum_id=2#35446412) |
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Date: February 20th, 2018 12:59 PM Author: snowy headpube range I haven't checked it out this olympics but the last summer games the NBC sports site let you watch any event. A lot of them had no sound or graphics telling you the score, etc. i watched a ping pong match like that and it was weird as fuck. just two dudes playing pong at a really high level. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898437&forum_id=2#35445036) |
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Date: February 20th, 2018 1:00 PM Author: aromatic chad yes, you can do that and it's good.
again, NBCSN has been much better about this. it's regular NBC, and especially the prime time coverage, that is worse about this.
you can literally see their coverage get worse depending on how many idiots they think they can rope in. |
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Date: February 20th, 2018 1:40 PM Author: Jade dilemma police squad It's not like NBC doesn't know sports nuts don't like their prime time coverage on the main channel. This complaint has been going on for like two decades now.
They spend a shit ton of money on the rights and package them to get a return. They're trying to appeal beyond sports nuts to the retards who watch This Is Us and American Idol |