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Tech careers are a huge mistake for most people
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Date: March 16th, 2018 12:23 PM Author: Out-of-control Personal Credit Line Legend Most of the people that are flocking to “coding” as a career are going to end up regretting it. It takes a very specific personality to actually enjoy programming as a career and even those people risk finding their skills obsolete in 10-15 years. There is real age discrimination in tech and it is an unstable industry heading towards another crash. Programmers have nowhere near the career stability of an engineer with a PE or a PA/doctor to take just two examples.
There is a lot of demand for programming now, but just wait until technology for software creation without code disrupts the entire industry, crowding out programming as a viable profession. So if you love programming and were a 10 year old hacker – by all means go work for Google or a top startup and kill it. But if you are a normal person who is just looking to make money, then you need to really step back and think about your options. Not everyone wants to stare at computer and smell curry farts all day.
The ”best” career is really dependent on the personality and cognitive profile of the individual. People act like there are only a handful of careers. I can imagine many people being a lot happier making $100K+ and have better job stability in a number of fields outside of tech: firefighter/police officer, school principal, mid-level medical practitioner, commercial real estate, in-house or Big Fed attorney, real engineer(mechanical/electrical), government contractor etc.
The boart is consistently flocking to the next hot thing. But guys who got an EE degree and then went into patent law or went into O&G because that was what seemed most lucrative probably didn’t anticipate the fairly rapid changes that turned these into pretty shitty careers.
https://techcrunch.com/2015/10/23/coding-academies-are-nonsense/
In 15 years, those hard-won skills will be obsolete — if they ever stuck in the first place. Despite their promises, coding academies don’t manufacture coders. They cast wide nets to discover new talent that has not yet been exposed to code. Most people don’t find coding enthralling or interesting enough to continue to pursue it as a career. Given the changing nature of software, they probably shouldn’t.
The best advice for people wanting to learn code? Try before you buy, and by that, I mean figure it out for free. Otherwise, you might find yourself sideways on the career ladder and tens of thousands of dollars poorer. For a dying profession, that’s just not worth it.
Perishable And Full Of Promises I see coding shrinking as a widespread profession. Not because software is going away, but because the way we build software will fundamentally change. Technology for software creation without code is already edging toward mainstream use. Visual content creation tools such as Scratch, DWNLD and Telerik will continue to improve until all functionality required to build apps is available to consumers — without having to write a line of code.
Most people don’t find coding enthralling or interesting enough to continue to pursue it as a career. Given the changing nature of software, they probably shouldn’t.
Who needs to code when you can use visual building blocks or even plain English to describe intent? Advances in natural-language processing and conceptual modeling will remove the need for traditional coding from app development. Software development tools will soon understand what you mean versus what you say. Even small advances in disambiguating intent will pay huge dividends. The seeds are already planted, from the OpenCog project to NLTK natural-language processing to MIT’s proof that you can order around a computer in your human language instead of code.
Academies had better gather those revenues while they can, because ultimately they are the product of short-term thinking. Coding skills will continue to be in high demand until technology for software creation without code disrupts the entire party, crowding out programming as a viable profession.
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Date: March 16th, 2018 12:26 PM Author: vivacious spruce telephone >> The ”best” career is really dependent on the personality and cognitive profile of the individual. People act like there are only a handful of careers. I can imagine many people being a lot happier making $100K+ and have better job stability in a number of fields outside of tech: firefighter/police officer, school principal, mid-level medical practitioner, commercial real estate, in-house or Big Fed attorney, real engineer(mechanical/electrical), government contractor etc. <<
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Date: March 16th, 2018 12:28 PM Author: irate market partner At least 90-95% of the population should just be happy with a stable job/salary (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35619390) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 12:29 PM Author: Out-of-control Personal Credit Line Legend CR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35619396) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 12:29 PM Author: lake gay wizard I just wrote about the supposed tech age discrimination
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919309&mc=20&forum_id=2#35618899
I actually agree with you, people in these coding “boot camps” are largely shit and will washout of the industry during the next crash. But if you’re actually skilled in real development or at least have a BSCS, there’s always going to be work. We are very far away from unskilled “visual coding” or w/e you were talking about at the end. I kind of skimmed it. People said that the C compiler would put programmers out of work and look what it actually did. |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 12:31 PM Author: Out-of-control Personal Credit Line Legend My broader point is the big push for everyone to learn code is stupid and is pushing people into tech that have no business being in tech. There are a lot better careers out there for normies. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35619405) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 12:34 PM Author: irate market partner I think it also shows how retarded Hillary's proposal to teach out of work coal miners how to code was (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35619418) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 12:42 PM Author: Out-of-control Personal Credit Line Legend CR. Maybe retraining them with the tech skills needed to work in a factory would have made sense. But LJL at teaching a 45 year old career coal miner to be a developer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35619471) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 12:36 PM Author: lake gay wizard Agree. It’s a waste of time for the vast majority and the “academies” are all scams. My friends ask me if they should go to one and I tell them, “Do you really think you can learn as much as a BSCS in 6 months? How will you compete with the Indians who have masters degrees, 5 years experience and will work for less?”
The academies don’t teach you how to think like a real developer. Once the one stack you learned in the academy is obsolete you are completely useless. I’ve only been professional for 5 years and I’ve had to pretty much master 5 different languages just for mid-tier work. It’s constant work in my free time. |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 12:33 PM Author: big-titted dilemma potus We are a long way off from programming with declarative instructions over imperative instructions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35619413) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 12:38 PM Author: lake gay wizard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35619443) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 4:20 PM Author: Contagious pearl reading party ladyboy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35620770) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 12:38 PM Author: Pea-brained Skinny Woman This is 100% complete flame:
Who needs to code when you can use visual building blocks or even plain English to describe intent? Advances in natural-language processing and conceptual modeling will remove the need for traditional coding from app development. Software development tools will soon understand what you mean versus what you say. Even small advances in disambiguating intent will pay huge dividends. The seeds are already planted, from the OpenCog project to NLTK natural-language processing to MIT’s proof that you can order around a computer in your human language instead of code. |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 12:39 PM Author: lake gay wizard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35619451) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 12:43 PM Author: Out-of-control Personal Credit Line Legend Probably in the near term, but in 20 years? Who knows. It is impossible to predict. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35619473) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 12:46 PM Author: Pea-brained Skinny Woman Even old-ass C++ will still be widely used in 20 years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35619487) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 12:52 PM Author: Out-of-control Personal Credit Line Legend Probably true, I mean even COBOL and FORTRAN are still in use. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35619512) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:10 PM Author: big-titted dilemma potus MIT still uses LISP to teach intro CS courses (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35620341) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 4:20 PM Author: Contagious pearl reading party ladyboy So what the fuck is your retarded OP about then? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35620774) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 12:39 PM Author: cracking crotch coldplay fan ljl @ your clueslessly grand predictions about creating software without code (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35619450) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 12:51 PM Author: Out-of-control Personal Credit Line Legend That isn't my prediction - I took it from the Tech Crunch article written by an engineer. It could be way off, but I bet a lot of people that are saying LJL at MY field being automated are going to turn out being wrong. In the late 90’s people were saying EVERYONE has to learn HTML – it is the language of the future and the path to a lucrative career. Now you can just go to SquareSpace and bang out a website with no skill and being a low-level web developer pays like shit.
People are way to hung up on that part of my poast – I admit I have no clue how far off we are from this – but no one else does either. Predicting the path and rate of technological change is impossible. But I am confident all these code academy retards are going to largely end up fucked and wishing they had just done PA school or something.
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Date: March 16th, 2018 1:00 PM Author: cracking crotch coldplay fan keep digging yourself a deeper hole with your clueless posturing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35619547) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:12 PM Author: histrionic range OP obviously doesn't know anyone in the tech field...JFC (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35620348) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 12:46 PM Author: Big yellow senate turdskin Enterprise tech sales
Bro down, don't do math, and cash in millions |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 12:51 PM Author: Out-of-control Personal Credit Line Legend (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35619502) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 12:54 PM Author: Appetizing pozpig yea but that's a field where almost no one on this board would be a fit for (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35619517) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 12:57 PM Author: big-titted dilemma potus lol at 'bro down'. Yeah you're a real alpha male wolf hitting the Applebee's happy hour in between shilling bloated SaaS shit at bland office parks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35619531) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 1:01 PM Author: irate market partner a lot more alpha than us legal scrubs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35619550) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 2:37 PM Author: free-loading church (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35620141) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 2:39 PM Author: Big yellow senate turdskin As compared to the dorks coding? Cmon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35620151) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 2:41 PM Author: free-loading church what % of pleated khaki "tech sales" shlubs do you think are taking in millions (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35620161) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 2:42 PM Author: big-titted dilemma potus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35620175) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 2:57 PM Author: Big yellow senate turdskin A good enterprise salesperson at Oracle or Salesforce or SAP etc does just fine
Oracle's top earners are all sales people |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:07 PM Author: lake gay wizard How to get into thi$? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35620331) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:12 PM Author: Big yellow senate turdskin https://oracle.taleo.net/careersection/2/jobsearch.ftl?lang=en (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35620350) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:14 PM Author: lake gay wizard "8 plus years relevant work experience." ljl
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:09 PM Author: free-loading church the mode coder does better than the mode tech salesman
apple's top earners are business execs. but just do become a "business exec" for this. |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:10 PM Author: Big yellow senate turdskin Apple isn't enterprise software (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35620342) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:16 PM Author: free-loading church you're missing my point
you don't magically get a million dollar salary by becoming a tech salesman. not for oracle, not for anyone. you have to gun for that shit. have to have good amount of industry experience first too. orcale's top earners probably work pretty fucking hard and put in years making peanuts traveling to trade shows in shitsburg iowa to get there, and even then there's no guarantee that you're doing well after you do your time at the bottom of the chain. someone who's smart enough to code can just coast easy on his knowledge and do pretty well.
for the average guy (who's smart enough to code decently) who isn't necessarily destined to become oracle's head of sales coding is a pretty nice option with much less downside. |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:20 PM Author: Big yellow senate turdskin Yeah thats fair
But then again you don't have to code |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:21 PM Author: lake gay wizard coding is easy and less stressful than sales (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35620415) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:12 PM Author: Lavender duck-like principal's office milk also should look at the work/life balance. I decent coder after 5 or so years (not a boot camp breh) can only be working 30 hours a week, often from home, and still hit mid-six figs. Also a lot more security in general (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35620349) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:21 PM Author: histrionic range (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35620412) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:28 PM Author: Out-of-control Personal Credit Line Legend That is the best part about programming: working from home, tons of jobs, and work-life balance. BUT way too many people who shouldn't be programmers are being pushed into the field. They will end up regretting it because they don't have the personality/IQ it takes to make it and could have gone down a number of other paths that pay just as well and are ultimately more secure. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35620463) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:29 PM Author: big-titted dilemma potus What qualifies you to give advice? Didn't you up and move to SoCal against your wishes only to end up terrorized because your hypershrew wife keeps your balls in a glass jar? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35620481) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:53 PM Author: histrionic range LMAO (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35620624) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:55 PM Author: Naked step-uncle's house to be fair, his wife is an alpha MD (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35620636) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:57 PM Author: histrionic range She has Bipolar Disorder, is literally insane, and already makes more than twice his income despite only making 300K LOL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35620651) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:31 PM Author: free-loading church once again you're ignoring the fact that their alternatives are also shit
would you advise them to pay a few hundred thousand bucks to go to a TTT LS and become a shitlawyer instead? |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:38 PM Author: Out-of-control Personal Credit Line Legend Of course not. But it is not like your choices are only tech or make $60K in a shit office job or go into debt to be a lawyer. There are a lot of career fields that pay well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35620538) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:47 PM Author: free-loading church name a few industries where you can make a solid six figs out of the gate, without having to invest years in hopes that you rise up the ranks, and where you don't have to spend $ on grad school to do this
for the record i'm not a huge defender of tech and i'm not in tech but i think you're being dense |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:48 PM Author: histrionic range (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35620595) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:54 PM Author: Out-of-control Personal Credit Line Legend If you like programming and are smart enough to get a BS in CS from a decent school it is a great career. But the people being pushed into it and are doing shit like code academies will mostly be better off in different fields. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35620628) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:55 PM Author: histrionic range Those people won't be getting jobs anyway - who the fuck cares.
Just because they teach basic programming in high school or whatever doesn't mean they will be remotely capable and doesn't mean they will do it in college. Just look at the USA math classes - USA is literally borderline retarded at math compared to other countries and we've been teaching it forever.
It's not bad to teach something new, but it doesn't mean that these people will be gunning for programming jobs or qualified. |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 4:05 PM Author: free-loading church most of these people flame out and just end up doing something else anyways. they're just exploring opportunities.
but even then just because someone is "better-suited" for working landscaping or something doesn't mean that he's "better off" in it
consider an aspiring literary agent or something. or journalist. you start at the bottom making worse than a teacher's salary. some of them get recognized over time and progress. those that don't continue to make garbage for the rest of their lives. then they see this coding field where people can make an ok salary with just a boot camp background if they actually make the effort to learn it well enough. i really don't have a problem with this person giving the boot camp a shot for a chance at a career with decent pay and much less downside risk. |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 4:08 PM Author: histrionic range CR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35620707) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:54 PM Author: histrionic range I think he's advising NURSING school, which has relatively high unemployment out of the gate now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35620632) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 1:22 PM Author: dead resort Insanely cr and my fallback (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35619665) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 1:27 PM Author: onyx sweet tailpipe kitchen "coding" is just another industry that is being diluted and dragged down by the eternal middling-IQ striver normie
in 10-15 years we're going to be getting mis-diagnoses from incompetent 115 IQ doctors, driving over bridges designed by incompetent 115 IQ engineers, trying to navigate computer programs written by 115 IQ coders.
you no longer have to be smart to do any of these vital white-collar professions. you just have to be a striver who shells out $ or takes out loans for credentials, or an affirmative action drone who gets everything handed to them
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:19 PM Author: flushed diverse twinkling uncleanness mad cow disease What do you believe will become of the 130-145 IQ set? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35620395) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:46 PM Author: Out-of-control Personal Credit Line Legend These guys will be set and still have the top-level tech/finance/research jobs they have now. The truth of it is for things like bridge engineering, 115 IQ will be sufficient given bridge automation software (Autodesk's Dreamcatcher program is working on this). People with 115 IQs and the right software will be able to do all kinds of stuff. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35620581) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 2:35 PM Author: jet-lagged curious institution wasn't this the same line of argument that Mark Cuban proposed when he said that people with degrees in the libarts and philosophy will be the most valuable and highly paid in the future (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35620132) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:47 PM Author: Out-of-control Personal Credit Line Legend Well that was retarded. Libarts and philosophy grads will never be as highly valued as people with the IQ required to do engineering. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35620585) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 2:38 PM Author: free-loading church we're *much* closer to killing off significant portions of the legal industry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35620145) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 2:43 PM Author: Out-of-control Personal Credit Line Legend Yeah accounting, law, medicine and other fields are going to get harder first. The bigger point is that these jobs suck for most normies and your skills become obsolete unless you learn on your own - which if you have a life and lack intrinsic interest in the field you likely won’t do. Plus there is the well documented age discrimination factor. The top end of software engineering is insanely great for the right people. Code academy types will regret their decision. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35620185) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 2:52 PM Author: free-loading church this isn't entirely wrong but the alternative for most of these people isn't too great anyways
they have to "keep up" but so does everyone in the field. wages might be compressed by new grads but again the alternative isn't great and there are good opportunities for easy side gigs in that field.
the alternative for someone like this is basically to start at a low-paying general corporate job and hope that he spends enough time there that they value his experience and promote him over time. but that doesn't always happen. and if it doesn't then you're just another person with no unique skillset to monetize. coding at least gives you that as long as you keep reasonably current. |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 2:39 PM Author: bipolar henna indian lodge (jjc) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35620150) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 2:44 PM Author: Out-of-control Personal Credit Line Legend (Wrong) normal white guy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35620191) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 2:56 PM Author: effete menage Ljl:
“The boart is consistently flocking to the next hot thing. But guys who got an EE degree and then went into patent law or went into O&G because that was what seemed most lucrative probably didn’t anticipate the fairly rapid changes that turned these into pretty shitty careers.”
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:15 PM Author: histrionic range Tech was the "next hot thing" and has been the "next hot thing" for like 20-30+ years.
My dad went to MIT and did an EE degree and ended up making equivalent of like 700K-800K in today's money straight out of MIT as a software programmer (which he learned on his own after doing hardware).
Programmers made even more than they do now back in the day.
My friends from college (granted I went to a heavy STEM school) all made bank straight out of college doing programming and many are millionaires from stock options in their early 30s.
I don't know why OP hates tech, but clearly he doesn't even know any real programmers or know anything about the SV tech market. Tech is obviously the CR profession for smart people. Nobody is talking about training dumbs to do programming. |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:21 PM Author: flushed diverse twinkling uncleanness mad cow disease No fucking way your dad was making $700k as a fucking 22 year old. And no fucking programmers make "even more" than that now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35620411) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:25 PM Author: histrionic range My dad was making 700K in today's money in his 30s as a programmer (not when he was 22). He was doing hardware for awhile and then switched to programming after learning languages on his own. OP is right in that programmers have to constantly keep up with languages and learn on their own. He never had to go back to school though.
I said programmers made more money back then than they do now. Top tier programmers easily made 700-800k in today's money in SF Bay Area back then. With stock options, he was probably making close to 1MM in today's money. He also had recruiters constantly recruit him and you could get a salary bump.
I went to college more recently at a heavy tech school - a lot of my friends who did EECS are all millionaires now from stock options from working for places like Google, etc.
Stock options at tech companies are insanely lucrative. |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:28 PM Author: histrionic range Also I am using "today's dollars" not "back then" dollars.
His one year salary was more than or at the cost of his SF house back then. Programming afforded a very 180 lifestyle.
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:30 PM Author: irate market partner out the actual salary (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35620486) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:37 PM Author: histrionic range somewhere in the 200Ks (then dollars) in 1980s
he also got stock options worth around 200Ks (then dollars) from various big tech companies he worked for
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:40 PM Author: irate market partner my dad could beat up your dad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35620548) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:41 PM Author: histrionic range lol probably
my dad was in the military for a few years though |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:32 PM Author: Out-of-control Personal Credit Line Legend My whole point was they are pushing dumbs into programming and this would be a mistake for most people. Clinton and Obama had initiatives or proposed initiatives that promoted just that.
President Obama just unveiled his “Computer Science for All Initiative.” Following up on the State of the Union Address, in which he announced his intention to offer “every student the hands-on computer science and math classes that make them job-ready on day one,” the initiative includes $4billion in funding for states and $100Million directly for districts to increase hands-on K-12 computer science instruction.
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:45 PM Author: histrionic range I appreciate what he's trying to do, because starting young is very important for tech and might foster interest. On the flip side, I think tech is one of the few careers that actually require intelligence/thinking/problem solving on a daily basis (unlike law, medicine, accounting, etc.) so it might not be a good personality fit for those who want to have a more chill job.
And of course if you flood the market with trained programmers, salaries will go down. |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:48 PM Author: Out-of-control Personal Credit Line Legend Everyone needs to learn code is as misguided as everyone should go to college (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35620592) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:49 PM Author: histrionic range Unlike most fields, coding requires intelligence, so I think that most people will fail miserably at getting an actual job (since companies will still have exams for applicants anyway). These people will sort of learn to code, which isn't bad, but won't be able to get a job. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35620598) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:51 PM Author: histrionic range I kind of imagine this as middle school music class - people supposedly "learn to play an instrument" but in reality they are still terrible and cannot compete with anyone who has been doing this hardcore and could never end up majoring in it in college because they are godawful. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35620611) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:18 PM Author: Out-of-control Personal Credit Line Legend Look at these prescient poasters talking about the sweet treats of IP lit
Patent lit - why is it hot and will it slow down?
Date: April 7th, 2013 1:38 PM Author: Unreasonably Sober
IP is one of the last bastions for the sweet treat of (legal) monopoly profits. can't imagine why giant companies care about this
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:00 PM Author: irate market partner Thunder Collins = xo's career counselor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35620295) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:15 PM Author: Exciting orange depressive clown Marriage counselor too (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35620371) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:20 PM Author: histrionic range LMAO (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35620406) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 4:02 PM Author: Vibrant bronze karate university spin, ratfucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35620680) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:11 PM Author: Overrated comical sanctuary Only a non-programmer or a moron thinks that these tools for coding without code will somehow make a horde of unwashed masses suddenly able to replace the devs as they exist today.
It doesn't matter whether you're coding or speaking English and getting it translated to code. The hard part is figuring out the problem and how to solve it. If you can explain it in English you're 99% of the way there. Put another way, someone making software by speaking English will BE a coder and just as few humans will be capable of this as now.
Maybe it will smooth things out and speed things up like a good IDE but ljl if you think this will be revolutionary not evolutionary. |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:14 PM Author: Out-of-control Personal Credit Line Legend Should have left that part out of my poast, because everyone is fixating on that and ignoring my main point. There is a huge unmet demand for programming now and I do think new tools will eventually reduce the demand and make low-level engineering skills pretty much worthless. The top end will make huge amounts of money. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35620360) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:19 PM Author: histrionic range Tech is still the most insulated from automation (more so than law, medicine, accounting). Plus you don't have to go to grad school for tech (which is a complete joke and money pit these days).
I will push my kids to go into tech - it's the best route for any reasonably intelligent person.
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:24 PM Author: Out-of-control Personal Credit Line Legend All valid points. I would push my daughter to become a mid-tier healthcare provider (PA, nurse practitioner) and tell my son to do tech/engineering/finance + company-sponsored MBA. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35620430) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:31 PM Author: histrionic range I'm pushing both genders to do tech, which I greatly regret not pursuing despite studying another, more useless hard STEM.
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:34 PM Author: Out-of-control Personal Credit Line Legend Most women would absolutely hate tech. If you have an autist daughter, sure. But most women want jobs that deal with people and are better off in healthcare or something like that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35620507) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:39 PM Author: histrionic range I'm not related by blood to any women in healthcare (except one person).
Most of my female cousins are either trust fund kids or programmers/architects. |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:42 PM Author: histrionic range The other option for her is Olympic snowboarder/martial artist, but I guess we'll see what she prefers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35620566) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:43 PM Author: Out-of-control Personal Credit Line Legend We are going to need a lot fewer programmers in say 15-20 years and mediocre programmers will get killed.This is not my prediction, I am basing it off what I have read from academics. As I stated in my OP, the top-end of programmers will still be really well compensated and have amazing jobs.
"I can envision systems that become better and better at writing software," Bart Selman, a computer scientist at Cornell University, said. "A person complemented with an intelligent system can write maybe ten times as much code, maybe a hundred times as much code. The problem then becomes you need a hundred times fewer human programmers." |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:46 PM Author: histrionic range It's all relative. A big portion of MDs will probably be replaced by AI + nurses in that time period. The main law jobs left will be shitlaw solo attorneys (which not everyone can succeed at). What are the options? Universal welfare?
The world is obviously going to shit thanks to AI and human overpopulation.
Maybe we should just enforce tubal ligation en masse globally. |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:50 PM Author: Appetizing pozpig BRING ON THAT UNIVERSAL BASIC INCOME YEEEEEHAAAAWW!
livin' that NEET lyfe |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 4:04 PM Author: histrionic range It's not a terrible idea, but the transition period will be rough. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35620687) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 4:05 PM Author: Appetizing pozpig not only is it not a terrible idea, but it seems like it's the ONLY idea
and "rough" will be an understatement. |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 4:07 PM Author: histrionic range CR, like extensive poverty for awhile...thankfully, we'll likely be dead by then (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35620704) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:57 PM Author: Out-of-control Personal Credit Line Legend Agreed, the world is 100% going to shit due to automation. We are going to need a lot fewer doctors, lawyers, civil engineers, architects, accountants and on and on. People are gonna be fucked.
The difference with some fields, like medicine, is the American Medical Association will fight tooth and nail to protect MD jobs and salaries. I do broadly agree and would push my daughter to be a mid-level provider like a PA. You can knock that out in a couple years and make $100K plus to start. |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 4:00 PM Author: histrionic range And that's why nurses are literally taking over MD jobs? Don't CRNAs pretty much make what anesthesiologists make? LOL good luck fighting nurses.
When the healthcare system is even more socialized, MD salaries will go down because that's what the federal government wants. AMA won't be able to go "head to head" against the federal government declining reimbursements. The US healthcare system is going to be more and more like Europe's IMO. |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 3:54 PM Author: lake gay wizard academics are basically wrong about everything wrt specific trends in business and the real world (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35620630) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 4:00 PM Author: Out-of-control Personal Credit Line Legend No one is good about predicting the future WRT tech. Thomas Watson Jr. of I.B.M. famously said “I think there is a world market for about five computers.” Who knows how fast AI will affect the job market and what impact it will ultimately have. No one planned to be a data scientist 10 years ago. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35620664) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 4:02 PM Author: histrionic range ? Data science was already hot 10 years ago.
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Date: March 16th, 2018 4:08 PM Author: Out-of-control Personal Credit Line Legend It looks like the first time the term data scientist was used was in 2008 - so I don't think it was too hot back then. It was just starting to emerge.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_science
] DJ Patil claims to have coined this term in 2008 with Jeff Hammerbacher to define their jobs at LinkedIn and Facebook, respectively. He asserts that a data scientist is "a new breed", and that a "shortage of data scientists is becoming a serious constraint in some sectors", but describes a much more business oriented role. |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 4:17 PM Author: rambunctious national To be fair, not too long after Watson said that, Kurt Vonnegut wrote Player Piano. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35620747) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 4:16 PM Author: Vibrant bronze karate university spin, ratfucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35620745) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 4:17 PM Author: histrionic range CR, much more so than most lawyers and doctors I know
I don't think I know a single unhappy programmer whereas 90% of lawyers and doctors I know are miserable |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 5:17 PM Author: Vibrant bronze karate university spin, ratfucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35621138) |
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Date: March 17th, 2018 3:51 PM Author: lake gay wizard Don’t call boondocks and bigger (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35626738) |
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Date: March 17th, 2018 1:16 AM Author: effete menage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35624483) |
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Date: March 17th, 2018 3:50 PM Author: effete menage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3920465&forum_id=2#35626729) |