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Seattle mayor proposes gun lock law

Interested in XO's take on this: https://www.seattlepi.co...
Underhanded Roast Beef Locus
  03/21/18
My take that passing entirely unenforceable laws is retarded...
Magical Chad
  03/21/18
hank you mixed up the reply and the hide buttons.
multi-colored fanboi mother
  03/21/18
lol
blue 180 trust fund
  03/21/18
Phone poasting
Magical Chad
  03/21/18
Obviously it can't be universally enforced, but it's not &qu...
Underhanded Roast Beef Locus
  03/21/18
That's not enforcement, 99.9999999999 percent of violators c...
Magical Chad
  03/21/18
Ok, so setting that aside as a criticism, is there anything ...
Underhanded Roast Beef Locus
  03/21/18
That it burdens the core right recognized in Heller
Magical Chad
  03/21/18
So...that seems like something that would apply to any gun r...
Underhanded Roast Beef Locus
  03/21/18
No, the right to keep a firearm in your own home for self de...
Magical Chad
  03/21/18
Still seems like a pretty minimal burden to me (and good pra...
Underhanded Roast Beef Locus
  03/21/18
Yep, which has us covered I have no children, I love alone,...
Magical Chad
  03/21/18
I'd be open to a law limited to people in shared living circ...
Underhanded Roast Beef Locus
  03/21/18
Nor does a small lockbox
Magical Chad
  03/21/18
Might help somewhat, but you're right it could be stolen and...
Underhanded Roast Beef Locus
  03/21/18
So not at all
Magical Chad
  03/21/18
Eh, I'm thinking of retard junkies who will take a gun (caus...
Underhanded Roast Beef Locus
  03/21/18
Even junkies aren't too stupid to grab a small safe, you're ...
Magical Chad
  03/21/18
?
Emerald hominid
  03/21/18
washington has been pretty strong on blowing seattle the fuc...
multi-colored fanboi mother
  03/21/18
Not sure if there is anything statewide preventing this one,...
Underhanded Roast Beef Locus
  03/21/18
forcing you to keep it locked up inside your house makes it ...
multi-colored fanboi mother
  03/21/18
Goddamn this epidemic has gotten to you too?!?
Deranged contagious incel
  03/21/18
What, you thought "stew" was just regular stew?
Underhanded Roast Beef Locus
  03/21/18
How much harder is it to access/use though? Is the 2 second...
Underhanded Roast Beef Locus
  03/21/18
Have fun entering that code at 2 am in a panic in the dark.
Excitant meetinghouse really tough guy
  03/21/18
have fun spending $1000 on nightstand gun safes for each roo...
multi-colored fanboi mother
  03/21/18
I seem to recall them being a lot cheaper at Costco, but als...
Underhanded Roast Beef Locus
  03/21/18
my gun safe is in the guest room because that's where the sa...
multi-colored fanboi mother
  03/21/18
How long do you think you have, half awake, in the middle of...
Magical Chad
  03/21/18
Who knows? Every situation will be different, of course. B...
Underhanded Roast Beef Locus
  03/21/18
They aren't, a few hundred cases of this happening per year ...
Magical Chad
  03/21/18
this has to be flame lmfao
free-loading psychic sex offender
  03/21/18
Not flame. As far as gun regulations go, this seems like ...
Underhanded Roast Beef Locus
  03/21/18
Meanwhile, Seattle wants to provide chill state sanctioned l...
Nighttime parlor son of senegal
  03/21/18
Yeah, I was actually surprised to see a Seattle-proposed ord...
Underhanded Roast Beef Locus
  03/21/18
Thoughts: 1 - That's probably unconstitutional. 2 - Cu...
Arousing partner university
  03/21/18
You really think this would run afoul of Heller? Maybe I ne...
Underhanded Roast Beef Locus
  03/21/18
we need to give home invaders more time to be successful!
lemon mind-boggling sandwich
  03/21/18
18 years ago you could get a pretty good laugh from a crowd ...
metal doctorate
  03/21/18
not flame, a friend of mine and I saw Al Gore coming into ou...
Magical Chad
  03/21/18
Darryl Hammond was one of the greats
metal doctorate
  03/21/18
This, right here, is why I am a card-carrying NRA member and...
puce menage
  03/21/18
Some Seattle officers are criticizing Mayor Durkan's gun vio...
Nighttime parlor son of senegal
  03/23/18


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Date: March 21st, 2018 7:08 PM
Author: Underhanded Roast Beef Locus

Interested in XO's take on this:

https://www.seattlepi.com/local/politics/article/Gun-Lock-Boxes-Seattle-Requirement-12771039.php

Basically, if you're not carrying or transporting your gun, it needs to be in a lock box.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3924985&forum_id=2#35655996)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 7:09 PM
Author: Magical Chad

My take that passing entirely unenforceable laws is retarded, plus I'm not unlocking my gun to shoot a home invader so he can go fuck himself

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3924985&forum_id=2#35656007)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 7:10 PM
Author: multi-colored fanboi mother

hank you mixed up the reply and the hide buttons.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3924985&forum_id=2#35656014)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 7:10 PM
Author: blue 180 trust fund

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3924985&forum_id=2#35656018)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 7:11 PM
Author: Magical Chad

Phone poasting

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3924985&forum_id=2#35656024)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 7:12 PM
Author: Underhanded Roast Beef Locus

Obviously it can't be universally enforced, but it's not "unenforceable." For example, if a kid or family member gets ahold of someone else's gun and does something stupid with it, this would provide a basis for punishing the gun owner who didn't keep it locked away.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3924985&forum_id=2#35656035)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 7:14 PM
Author: Magical Chad

That's not enforcement, 99.9999999999 percent of violators can never be caught

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3924985&forum_id=2#35656050)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 7:18 PM
Author: Underhanded Roast Beef Locus

Ok, so setting that aside as a criticism, is there anything else you don't like about it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3924985&forum_id=2#35656095)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 7:19 PM
Author: Magical Chad

That it burdens the core right recognized in Heller

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3924985&forum_id=2#35656100)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 7:24 PM
Author: Underhanded Roast Beef Locus

So...that seems like something that would apply to any gun regulation at all. Is that your take on it? No regulation whatsoever because it burdens a constitutional right?

I'm not a gunmo, but the burden seems pretty minimal, and it seems like there's a pretty compelling interest it is serving.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3924985&forum_id=2#35656139)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 7:26 PM
Author: Magical Chad

No, the right to keep a firearm in your own home for self defense, many other regulations don't impact this. It's where the gun owners interest is the absolute highest

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3924985&forum_id=2#35656148)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 7:28 PM
Author: Underhanded Roast Beef Locus

Still seems like a pretty minimal burden to me (and good practice aside from any legal considerations).

I mean, it may very well be common law negligence to leave a gun generally accessible to others, aside from any statute.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3924985&forum_id=2#35656178)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 7:39 PM
Author: Magical Chad

Yep, which has us covered

I have no children, I love alone, to steal my gun someone would have to break down a door. Why should I have to reduce my odds of accessing the gun if I am in danger?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3924985&forum_id=2#35656280)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 7:43 PM
Author: Underhanded Roast Beef Locus

I'd be open to a law limited to people in shared living circumstances, but that doesn't help with the issue of stolen guns.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3924985&forum_id=2#35656310)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 7:44 PM
Author: Magical Chad

Nor does a small lockbox

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3924985&forum_id=2#35656317)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 7:46 PM
Author: Underhanded Roast Beef Locus

Might help somewhat, but you're right it could be stolen and broken open.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3924985&forum_id=2#35656343)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 7:47 PM
Author: Magical Chad

So not at all

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3924985&forum_id=2#35656351)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 7:48 PM
Author: Underhanded Roast Beef Locus

Eh, I'm thinking of retard junkies who will take a gun (cause they know what it is) but might not take a box.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3924985&forum_id=2#35656370)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 7:50 PM
Author: Magical Chad

Even junkies aren't too stupid to grab a small safe, you're reallllly stretching here, all while pretending said junkie will wait quietly by my bed as I go "wait, hold on, got the 3 and the 2 backwards"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3924985&forum_id=2#35656385)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 7:09 PM
Author: Emerald hominid

?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3924985&forum_id=2#35656008)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 7:12 PM
Author: multi-colored fanboi mother

washington has been pretty strong on blowing seattle the fuck out when it comes to not using local regulations to fuck permissive state guns laws.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3924985&forum_id=2#35656033)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 7:13 PM
Author: Underhanded Roast Beef Locus

Not sure if there is anything statewide preventing this one, but setting that aside, do XO gunmos have a problem with this (a) as a law, or (b) as a matter of good practice?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3924985&forum_id=2#35656045)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 7:16 PM
Author: multi-colored fanboi mother

forcing you to keep it locked up inside your house makes it harder to use in self defense. I can't think of any other consumer law that requires specific storage of a product inside the home.

I have to buy my oxy in a child proof container, but there is no law against me leaving it in a ziploc bag on the table if that is more convenient.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3924985&forum_id=2#35656070)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 7:22 PM
Author: Deranged contagious incel

Goddamn this epidemic has gotten to you too?!?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3924985&forum_id=2#35656124)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 7:24 PM
Author: Underhanded Roast Beef Locus

What, you thought "stew" was just regular stew?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3924985&forum_id=2#35656141)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 7:22 PM
Author: Underhanded Roast Beef Locus

How much harder is it to access/use though? Is the 2 seconds it takes to punch in a code really a good basis for objecting?

I get the general resistance to gun regulation on an empirical slippery slope basis, but this seems pretty sensible to me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3924985&forum_id=2#35656131)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 7:26 PM
Author: Excitant meetinghouse really tough guy

Have fun entering that code at 2 am in a panic in the dark.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3924985&forum_id=2#35656157)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 7:27 PM
Author: multi-colored fanboi mother

have fun spending $1000 on nightstand gun safes for each room in the house where you would want to have easy access to guns.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3924985&forum_id=2#35656165)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 7:29 PM
Author: Underhanded Roast Beef Locus

I seem to recall them being a lot cheaper at Costco, but also lol at keeping a fucking armory stashed around your house like squirrel nut caches.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3924985&forum_id=2#35656187)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 7:40 PM
Author: multi-colored fanboi mother

my gun safe is in the guest room because that's where the safe fits. I have one handgun in the nightstand next to my bed. I also don't lock the safe when I am at home.

With no kids around, i would say mind you fucking business.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3924985&forum_id=2#35656290)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 7:27 PM
Author: Magical Chad

How long do you think you have, half awake, in the middle of the night?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3924985&forum_id=2#35656162)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 7:33 PM
Author: Underhanded Roast Beef Locus

Who knows? Every situation will be different, of course. But in addition to the very low odds that a gun will actually be used in home-defense, I think the odds that getting it out of a lockbox will make a difference are probably even lower. It seems to me that the odds of someone else accessing the gun without permission are much higher.

I could see limiting the lockbox rule to people who live in shared living spaces or something.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3924985&forum_id=2#35656215)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 7:40 PM
Author: Magical Chad

They aren't, a few hundred cases of this happening per year pale in comparison to defensive uses. Generally you're right, a safe wouldn't be a deciding factor, but we both have no fucking idea how often it would. You make your call and I'll make mine

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3924985&forum_id=2#35656293)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 7:30 PM
Author: free-loading psychic sex offender

this has to be flame lmfao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3924985&forum_id=2#35656191)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 7:35 PM
Author: Underhanded Roast Beef Locus

Not flame.

As far as gun regulations go, this seems like one of the more sensible ones.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3924985&forum_id=2#35656246)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 7:30 PM
Author: Nighttime parlor son of senegal

Meanwhile, Seattle wants to provide chill state sanctioned locations for the drug addled zombies they've imported into the city to shoot up after they've pilfered your belongings.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3924985&forum_id=2#35656198)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 7:36 PM
Author: Underhanded Roast Beef Locus

Yeah, I was actually surprised to see a Seattle-proposed ordinance that I didn't think was insane.

Durkan knows she needs to appeal to the Seattle lib crazies, but I think she's got at least *some* sense.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3924985&forum_id=2#35656250)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 7:37 PM
Author: Arousing partner university

Thoughts:

1 - That's probably unconstitutional.

2 - Current SCOTUS has no interest in revisiting gun cases, and the 9th Circuit isn't gun friendly, so Seattle would almost certainly get away with it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3924985&forum_id=2#35656264)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 7:47 PM
Author: Underhanded Roast Beef Locus

You really think this would run afoul of Heller? Maybe I need to re-read that case.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3924985&forum_id=2#35656362)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 7:37 PM
Author: lemon mind-boggling sandwich

we need to give home invaders more time to be successful!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3924985&forum_id=2#35656273)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 7:44 PM
Author: metal doctorate

18 years ago you could get a pretty good laugh from a crowd just by saying "lockbox" in a slow southern drawl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3924985&forum_id=2#35656320)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 7:46 PM
Author: Magical Chad

not flame, a friend of mine and I saw Al Gore coming into our hs for an event a few weeks after that sketch. We both yelled lockbox and ran out laughing. Al Gore definitely heard us and looked back, annoyed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3924985&forum_id=2#35656337)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 7:49 PM
Author: metal doctorate

Darryl Hammond was one of the greats

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3924985&forum_id=2#35656379)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 7:48 PM
Author: puce menage

This, right here, is why I am a card-carrying NRA member and donate to the NRA. Speaking nothing of the law itself, if libs were to get shit like this passed, it will eventually become normalized. In the meantime, they will not stop seeking ever more restrictive regulations.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3924985&forum_id=2#35656372)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:37 PM
Author: Nighttime parlor son of senegal

Some Seattle officers are criticizing Mayor Durkan's gun violence plan. They argue the city isn't doing enough to punish criminals.

Seattle Mayor Jenny Durkan unveiled a plan to tackle Seattle’s gun violence that doesn’t at all address Seattle’s gun violence.

How Seattle is using ERPO laws

Instead, it aims to punish people who don’t properly store guns, which is hardly a problem in Seattle. Indeed, gang violence and dangerous armed home invasions are an issue, but Durkan is too busy ignoring those issues.

I’m not the only one pointing out the ridiculous plan. Seattle police officers are as well. I’ve talked to a few who are wondering why Durkan’s priorities don’t include the leading cause of criminal gun violence.

One cop gave me permission to quote them, though anonymously out of fear of retribution.

“I’m not worried about ‘Joe Citizen’ and his collection of guns,” the officer explained to me. “I would like them to lock them up when they leave, in case their house or car gets broken into. But as for curbing gun violence, it’s an absolute joke. I don’t know how that’s actually going to change the people actually out there committing the crimes.”

Indeed, there has been a string of dangerous home invasions where people have been held hostage. One officer said he is frustrated by having to keep arresting the same people over and over again.

“It would be awesome if they came up with extremely heavy jail or prison time for anybody out there illegally with a gun,” the Seattle officer explained. “[We need] a city prosecutor that actually will charge the CPL (concealed pistol license) violators, or will get tough on violent crime, instead of not even a slap on the wrist and out they go to commit more crime, months or a year before their trial dates.”

Why the crime report is a work of fiction

The officer expresses a concern I’ve heard from quite a few cops: Seattle City Attorney Pete Holmes, and others, will be light on some offenders, pushing them through restorative justice programs. But these officers argue, they don’t always work and, instead, these criminals re-offend.

Missing from Durkan’s plan? Any meaningful ways to be tougher on the crime that’s running too rampant in our communities. Perhaps if she spoke to more cops, her plan might better address the actual problems Seattle is facing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3924985&forum_id=2#35672797)