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Rabbi says meat from genetically cloned pig is in fact Kosher (link)

https://www.jta.org/2018/03/22/news-opinion/rabbi-says-meat-...
Insanely Creepy Arrogant Affirmative Action
  03/22/18
scientists have been working on kosher hams for decades. it'...
Lime Hospital
  03/22/18
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onyx associate
  03/22/18
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narrow-minded pocket flask
  03/22/18
As a Jew, I’m appalled that the orthodox union’s kosher divi...
stimulating fiercely-loyal national
  03/22/18
Rabbi here. Two things are undoubtedly true: it is kosher b...
nighttime business firm lettuce
  03/22/18
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frozen crimson friendly grandma
  03/23/18
do you actually have smicha, or you just an xo rav?
Mentally Impaired Jap
  03/23/18
Just an xo rabbi.
nighttime business firm lettuce
  03/23/18
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contagious mauve nursing home
  03/23/18
i take it you're ffb and otd?
Mentally Impaired Jap
  03/23/18
More or less. Been in and out a few times and semi religiou...
nighttime business firm lettuce
  03/23/18
what about your parents/siblings? did you grow up MO or m...
Mentally Impaired Jap
  03/23/18
Don't want to get into detail but definitely went through so...
nighttime business firm lettuce
  03/23/18
are you ss/sk? if so, then i think that makes you MO. less, ...
Mentally Impaired Jap
  03/23/18
Sorry, Yahweh
Beta Chad
  03/23/18
isnt this old news? most ortho rabbis agree that it's techni...
Mentally Impaired Jap
  03/23/18
Do you agree with the rulings? Would you eat pork from this...
contagious mauve nursing home
  03/23/18
i dont have any reason to disagree with the rulings on techn...
Mentally Impaired Jap
  03/23/18
So what happens if you breed that cloned pig? Is the next-ge...
bonkers cheese-eating piazza
  03/23/18
Cannot imagine the cloned pig part is true. The guy they in...
nighttime business firm lettuce
  03/23/18
seems like it should be discouraged on the same grounds as e...
flushed queen of the night space
  03/23/18
im not thrilled this analogy bc the kitniyot is a long-estab...
Mentally Impaired Jap
  03/23/18
i looked at thread title quickly and thought it said "k...
Sapphire Dragon Scourge Upon The Earth
  03/23/18
this poast sucks
flushed queen of the night space
  03/23/18
most of my poasts do
Sapphire Dragon Scourge Upon The Earth
  03/23/18


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Date: March 22nd, 2018 12:46 PM
Author: Insanely Creepy Arrogant Affirmative Action

https://www.jta.org/2018/03/22/news-opinion/rabbi-says-meat-genetically-cloned-pig-eaten-jews-including-milk

(JTA) — A prominent Orthodox rabbi in Israel said that meat from a genetically cloned pig would be kosher for consumption by Jews, including when eaten with dairy products.

Rabbi Yuval Cherlow told Ynet in an interview published Wednesday that cloned meat is not subject to the rules that apply to the consumption of regular meat.

Cherlow is quoted as saying that “cloned meat produced from a pig shall not be defined as prohibited for consumption – including with milk.”

In the interview, Cherlow of the Tzohar Rabbinical Organization appears to be talking about meat that is grown artificially in a laboratory from the cells of a pig rather than meat produced from a live pig whose genetic material comes from a cell from which the pig was cloned. However, the article does not quote him as making the distinction.

In the interview ahead of a Bar-Ilan University symposium titled “Science and Halacha” featuring a talk by Cherlow, he advocated rabbinic approval of cloned meat “so that people would not starve, to prevent pollution, and to avoid the suffering of animals.”

When the “cell of a pig is used and its genetic material is utilized in the production of food, the cell in fact loses its original identity and therefore cannot be defined as forbidden for consumption,” Cherlow said. “It wouldn’t even be meat, so you can consume it with dairy.”

In 2013, Rabbi Menachem Genack, CEO of the Orthodox Union’s kosher division, said that meat from a lab-grown hamburger could be consumed with dairy products, although halacha, religious Jewish law, forbids it in meat produced from a live animal.

But Genack, who was commenting on the production of an artificial hamburger produced by researchers from Maastricht University in the Netherlands, did not mention pork, whose consumption is one of Judaism’s strongest prohibitions.

“Without prophesizing, clearly there will be a major disagreement,” Cherlow said over the consumption of what he called cloned meat. And while “there is merit” in prohibiting this meat, too, “halachic thought should examine the needs of all humanity, not only one’s own case,” he said.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35661334)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 12:47 PM
Author: Lime Hospital

scientists have been working on kosher hams for decades. it's going to happen.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35661343)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 12:53 PM
Author: onyx associate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35661399)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 12:54 PM
Author: narrow-minded pocket flask



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35661404)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 12:52 PM
Author: stimulating fiercely-loyal national

As a Jew, I’m appalled that the orthodox union’s kosher division has a “ceo”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35661395)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 1:12 PM
Author: nighttime business firm lettuce

Rabbi here. Two things are undoubtedly true: it is kosher by the letter of the law, and as a practical matter, Orthodox Jews will not eat it. As an example, a hundred years ago, half of orthodox rabbis came up with convoluted machinations to forbid electricity on Shabbat, and half of them still allowed it. Today, an orthodox Jew would no sooner use electricity on Shabbat than build a fire or harvest a field.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35661499)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:40 AM
Author: frozen crimson friendly grandma



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35669639)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 4:39 PM
Author: Mentally Impaired Jap

do you actually have smicha, or you just an xo rav?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35672330)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:05 PM
Author: nighttime business firm lettuce

Just an xo rabbi.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35672561)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:06 PM
Author: contagious mauve nursing home



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35672581)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:12 PM
Author: Mentally Impaired Jap

i take it you're ffb and otd?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35672632)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:14 PM
Author: nighttime business firm lettuce

More or less. Been in and out a few times and semi religious now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35672642)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:16 PM
Author: Mentally Impaired Jap

what about your parents/siblings?

did you grow up MO or more shtark?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35672654)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:20 PM
Author: nighttime business firm lettuce

Don't want to get into detail but definitely went through some far right phases. Never really MO - it was always either righter or lefter. It occurs to me that maybe now I'd qualify as MO, to a degree.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35672681)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:30 PM
Author: Mentally Impaired Jap

are you ss/sk? if so, then i think that makes you MO. less, and you're traditional.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35672745)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:36 AM
Author: Beta Chad

Sorry, Yahweh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35669593)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 4:40 PM
Author: Mentally Impaired Jap

isnt this old news? most ortho rabbis agree that it's technically kosher.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35672336)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:07 PM
Author: contagious mauve nursing home

Do you agree with the rulings? Would you eat pork from this method?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35672585)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:14 PM
Author: Mentally Impaired Jap

i dont have any reason to disagree with the rulings on technical grounds. these scholars know far more than i do.

would i eat cloned kosher pork? i'm more afraid of eating cloned animals than pigs for health reasons, actually.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35672640)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:10 PM
Author: bonkers cheese-eating piazza

So what happens if you breed that cloned pig? Is the next-generation pig forbidden or does it inherit the kosherness?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35672614)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:12 PM
Author: nighttime business firm lettuce

Cannot imagine the cloned pig part is true. The guy they interviewed may not have drawn a distinction but a live cloned pig would be treif AF.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35672631)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:20 PM
Author: flushed queen of the night space

seems like it should be discouraged on the same grounds as eating kitniyot is discouraged/prohibited

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35672679)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:37 PM
Author: Mentally Impaired Jap

im not thrilled this analogy bc the kitniyot is a long-established custom for some but not all jews, in the same way different jews have different customs about how long to wait after meat (1 vs 3 vs 6 hours).

rabbis can make halachic rulings, but they cant invent customs overnight. it may become a custom eventually if the rabbis forcememe people into not eating it, but they cant just declare it a custom.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35672807)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:32 PM
Author: Sapphire Dragon Scourge Upon The Earth

i looked at thread title quickly and thought it said "kushner", not "kosher"

lulz at me

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35672762)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:37 PM
Author: flushed queen of the night space

this poast sucks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35672804)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:38 PM
Author: Sapphire Dragon Scourge Upon The Earth

most of my poasts do

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35672810)