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Wall won't get done without MAJOR legislation from congress
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:41 AM Author: Tantric sweet tailpipe Guy with inside knowledge here. The problem isn't money - there is existing authority/funding for the border fence that CBP is repurposing to build intitial sections of the wall. The real problem is real estate. Feds are doing title searches on relevant properties and coming up with all kinds of bizarre horseshit, even on existing federal lands that have already been acquired for federal environmental projects. One real estate parcel has like 500 deeds associated with it that confer various rights to over 300 parties. And this is just for the intitial PILOT PROJECT wall sections, not the whole enchilada. There probably aren't enough real estate experts in America to make this work even if you put them all in a remote facility and had them work on it Manhattan project-style for 5 years. Only fix would be some type of eminent domain authority the likes of each we have never seen and which would come under intense judicial scrutiny. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926707&forum_id=2#35669656) |
Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:51 AM Author: Tantric sweet tailpipe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926707&forum_id=2#35669738) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:53 AM Author: slate business firm we could just line up all lawyers and shoot them, seize the relevant land, and build a border wall
how about that |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:53 AM Author: Tantric sweet tailpipe This is the gist of responses from the White House. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926707&forum_id=2#35669752) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 12:05 PM Author: Abnormal Hilarious Jap Senate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926707&forum_id=2#35669844) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 6:24 PM Author: concupiscible spruce space laser beams I like the cut of your jib (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926707&forum_id=2#35673294) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:59 AM Author: lime contagious house digit ratio How did the government address these issues when it built the existing fence? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926707&forum_id=2#35669808) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 12:03 PM Author: Tantric sweet tailpipe Good question. I believe the fence is located on the actual border itself, which is considered federal land. The wall would have to be built further inland, and because it's a vastly more complicated undertaking it would require not only large parcels of privately owned property but also a fuckload of easements and various rights of way for construction and maintenance.
However I am not doing the legwork on this. This is all info I heard from a lawyer involved in ongoing discussions with the administration (who is a hardcore lib, so maybe he's a bit biased). |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 12:06 PM Author: Harsh fanboi orchestra pit Why are they not putting it on the actual border? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926707&forum_id=2#35669852) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 12:11 PM Author: Tantric sweet tailpipe You have to have enough space on the other side of the wall to set up facilities for maintenance and other shit. You cant just leave one side facing into Mexican territory since you know they'll never maintain it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926707&forum_id=2#35669880) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 12:12 PM Author: Harsh fanboi orchestra pit Got ya. Do it now and ask for forgiveness later. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926707&forum_id=2#35669892) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 12:14 PM Author: Tantric sweet tailpipe Sure, but lawyers at SOME of the relevant agencies are saying it's not legal so the heads of those agencies are flat out refusing to do the actual work. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926707&forum_id=2#35669912) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 12:16 PM Author: Harsh fanboi orchestra pit That sucks. I wish trump could fire/replace. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926707&forum_id=2#35669933) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 12:21 PM Author: Rose party of the first part he can, should, and (god willing) will (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926707&forum_id=2#35669989) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 12:24 PM Author: Harsh fanboi orchestra pit It's a good litmus teat and would provide numerous side benefits for the govt in general. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926707&forum_id=2#35670006) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 12:29 PM Author: Rose party of the first part mmm litmus teat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926707&forum_id=2#35670073) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 12:25 PM Author: Dull Pisswyrm Theater Stage There is no actual border itself. Lines don't exist in 3d like that. They're already going inland with a fence. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926707&forum_id=2#35670026) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 12:04 PM Author: Cracking Mildly Autistic Forum eminent domain is legal; it's just a question of fair value.
just put the wall up on the actual border and how can anyone complain that land had great value? |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 12:09 PM Author: Tantric sweet tailpipe You could but under the existing procedures for ED it would be a herculean effort just to identify all the parties with an interest in the land. A lot of these lands were acquired by state and local governments through quitclaim deeds 100 years ago. Original owners and their successors in interest may or may not be there and their claims will have to be adjudicated. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926707&forum_id=2#35669861) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 1:42 PM Author: Heady mauve gas station dingle berry Build the wall first and let the owners bring reverse condemnation actions if they even care. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926707&forum_id=2#35670691) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 1:48 PM Author: fragrant sneaky criminal round eye The second that cranes start moving on the property anyone with any kind of interest in the land will move to get an injunction. Sorting through the property interests in the land and fighting said owners/interest holders etc would take a lot of time in the courts. Or the gov't could pay them a hefty sum to settle quickly. When the gov needs a person's property and wants it quickly, a lawyer specializing in condemnation law will advise the landowner to fight, even if the property is nothing more than a vacant parcel in the desert. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926707&forum_id=2#35670760) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 6:21 PM Author: Heady mauve gas station dingle berry Pass a law that says you can't get an injunction. 80 percent of the owners are rednecks who will be thrilled about the wall. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926707&forum_id=2#35673271) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 12:07 PM Author: Trip Stead Mental Disorder "some type of eminent domain authority the likes of each we have never seen"
you mean like when the interstate highways were built? |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 12:09 PM Author: Tantric sweet tailpipe 50s were a different time. We probably couldn't do that today. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926707&forum_id=2#35669865) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 12:09 PM Author: Infuriating bawdyhouse ACCEPTED FOR VALUE (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926707&forum_id=2#35669863) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 12:17 PM Author: Twinkling school cafeteria jew Good, wall was a stupid idea anyway only supported by dumbs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926707&forum_id=2#35669939) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 12:19 PM Author: Rose party of the first part you need to go back, julio (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926707&forum_id=2#35669970) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 12:25 PM Author: Twinkling school cafeteria jew Too bad what you think "needs" to happen will never actually happen, nazi. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926707&forum_id=2#35670028) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 12:18 PM Author: Mind-boggling plaza pocket flask Just fucking seize the land under 'national security'. You're welcome. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926707&forum_id=2#35669955) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 12:20 PM Author: floppy apoplectic new version Sounds like we're getting the whole enchilada after all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926707&forum_id=2#35669981) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 12:25 PM Author: Mind-boggling plaza pocket flask Yeah, no shit. The whole premise is insanity. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926707&forum_id=2#35670025) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 12:26 PM Author: awkward frum philosopher-king tank Seize the land and use military to protect workers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926707&forum_id=2#35670044) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 12:29 PM Author: Galvanic macaca how dare congress legislate that other countries can't send unlimited illegal invaders here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926707&forum_id=2#35670074) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 2:54 PM Author: claret lay idiot just deploy minefields and barbed wire on the actual federally owned parts, along with system of interlocking field of fire sentry guns to cover the areas where you can't put mines (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926707&forum_id=2#35671396) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 6:28 PM Author: Judgmental genital piercing just use the USA-PATRIOT act's national security provisions to make an end-run around existing laws. if it falls under "national security," it gets broad deference. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926707&forum_id=2#35673336) |