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Billionaire Khosla Is Asking the Supreme Court to Keep People Off His Beach
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 12:34 PM Author: spectacular philosopher-king Billionaire Khosla Is Asking the Supreme Court to Keep People Off His Beach The venture capitalist believes he has the right to cut off access to the waterfront at his California property—giving the public yet another reason to rage about tech industry leaders. By April 23, 2018, 4:00 AM PDT
The road leading down to Martins Beach near Half Moon Bay, California. Photographer: David Paul Morris/Bloomberg Vinod Khosla is used to playing long odds on some of the startups he backs. Now, the billionaire venture capitalist is using a similar approach for another project: a legal battle over public access to his beach south of San Francisco.
Khosla, 63, believes he has the right to cut off the lone road to the waterfront at Martins Beach, a property he paid $32.5 million for a decade ago. State law says the public owns all coastline on the ocean side of the mean high tide line. Khosla says he shouldn't have to open up his private land without compensation to allow passage to the cove, which is buttressed by cliffs and impossible to reach otherwise except by water.
By the time he shut the gate in late 2009, surfers had been hitting the waves at Martins Beach for decades. When he cut off their access, a stream of lawsuits followed.
Martins Beach near Half Moon Bay, California.Photographer: David Paul Morris/Bloomberg Taking a strong and unpopular position is vintage Khosla. His views on public beach access transcend the familiar world of venture capital and have made him the subject of widespread criticism. In coming months, he'll learn if the U.S. Supreme Court plans to take on the case.
Khosla's petition earlier this year to the highest court in the land raises the question as to why, in an era of enormous perceived arrogance by technology companies, Khosla is giving the public yet another reason to rage about industry leaders.
“It's a matter of principle, not whether the timing is right,” Khosla says about the case in an interview. “This is about unfairness, and I don't tolerate unfairness.” In a country based on rule of law, squelching the rights of property owners is just wrong, he adds.
“I've never seen anyone who needs a PR person more than Vinod right now,” says James Markarian, who once advised portfolio companies at Khosla Ventures and thinks highly of Khosla. “You need world class, the Johnny Cochran of PR.” Khosla says that at the advice of a top aide he recently met with a prospective public relations professional but decided against hiring her.
Public relations factor little into his motivation in general, even when the situation concerns a powerful financier seemingly trampling on the enjoyment of regular folk. Instead, Khosla's decision to take the fight to the Supreme Court reflects a man obsessed with winning and what he sees as fair play.
‘I Push Them To The Edge’ Khosla’s determination dates from at least his earliest days in Silicon Valley. Originally from Delhi, Khosla came to the U.S. for a master's degree in biomedical engineering at Carnegie Mellon University. He then applied to Stanford University's Graduate School of Business, which rejected him.
Bent on getting in, Khosla lobbied school officials, first sweet-talking his way onto the waitlist, and then making a series of calls to the head of admissions saying he would take the spot of whichever admitted student didn't show up. He won entry two days before classes began.
Vinod KhoslaPhotographer: David Paul Morris/Bloomberg Khosla has been in Silicon Valley ever since, working at a design-automation company, Daisy Systems, and then co-founding Sun Microsystems, the computer services company behind the programming language Java. Sun's 1986 initial public offering cemented his fortune, building on a payout from the Daisy IPO earlier.
When he started his eponymous venture firm in 2004, Khosla was winding down a nearly two-decade run at Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers, known for early investments in Amazon.com Inc. and Google. Along with his successes there, such as backing Juniper Networks, he built a reputation as a venture capitalist with a very particular style.
Some entrepreneurs complain that Khosla enjoys driving hard deals compared with other venture capitalists over valuations of their companies. Khosla disagrees strongly, saying he just doesn't like bargaining and equating it with playing games. “I decide what's fair,” he says. “They can do it or not. I don't go back and forth six times.” But he can be disarmed. One entrepreneur, aware of Khosla's tough reputation, came in with red boxing gloves to signal his willingness to fight and suggested a number; Khosla accepted it. He says that was because the proposed valuation was reasonable.
Khosla also tosses out suggestions that don't always match the portfolio company's status, for example, suggesting an aggressive entry into a market the company isn't yet big enough to tackle, or an expensive overhaul of a website. He says setting big goals encourages the companies to stay ambitious, adding that those who disagree with his advice are under no obligation to take it or even keep meeting with him. “I push them to the edge of what they're comfortable with,” he says. “I get them to think as big as they can. I view that as my job, not just to be popular with them by saying nice things.”
A voracious reader, Khosla often will push a sometimes relevant, sometimes not, theory he has just boned up on in a new business book, entrepreneurs say, or will cite an old favorite such as “The Black Swan,” a 2007 bestseller on preparing for improbable events.
Many Silicon Valleyites see themselves as operating outside the herd; Khosla actually shuns it. He hasn't become a member of popular organizations such as the Menlo Circus Club or the Battery. He won't join the National Venture Capital Association, the industry’s main trade group. He doesn't play golf. He turns down invitations to dinners with other venture capitalists.
No trespassing signage is displayed on a gate leading to Martins Beach on July 16, 2014. Photographer: David Paul Morris/Bloomberg “I’d rather spend the time with entrepreneurs,” he says. That leads to a perception of aloofness that some enjoy taunting; a few years ago, a parody twitter account sprang up for @VinodColeslaw. “Guys, relax,” the last tweet says. “It's MY beach.”
When not in Silicon Valley, Khosla spends time at one of his vacation homes, including in Deer Valley, Utah, and in Big Sur, California. He hasn't visited Martins Beach in several months. To get around, he travels on a Gulfstream V.
Conversations with people who have worked with Khosla as investors and entrepreneurs reveal a man who relishes engaging in heated debates on strategy. During those debates, he doesn't mince words. “He doesn't suffer fools," says someone who has sat through many such meetings. “He'll look you in the eye and say ‘That's completely stupid,’ not because he's trying to make you feel bad, but because he has no filter,” says the person, who requested anonymity because he wants to preserve a cordial business relationship with Khosla.
Khosla prefers to describe his style as “brutal honesty.” Still, he acknowledges sometimes going too far. “If I had to do it over again,” he says now, “I'd couch my honesty, I'd say it nicer, but say the same thing.”
Partners in Khosla's firm and entrepreneurs who stand up to him and can rebut his points raise their standing in Khosla’s eyes. Those who can’t are left shaken and angry. He practiced the philosophy long before the current vogue for “radical candor,” mocked recently on the HBO show “Silicon Valley.”
He’s also known for defending portfolio companies publicly in situations where other backers tend to go quiet. After Bloomberg reported that Khosla portfolio company Hampton Creek, a vegan mayonnaise maker, was inflating sales figures by purchasing jars of its own product, Khosla went on Bloomberg TV and said entrepreneurs “push the edges.” He called allegations over revenue projections by another investor “not credible.” The following year, Khosla’s board representative and all other outside directors resigned from the Hampton Creek board.
His defenders counter that the loudest complainers are the worst performers. Truly talented entrepreneurs will know which pieces of advice to take, and when. Good analysis relies on debate. And fostering a sometimes adversarial relationship between two executives can tease out the best performance from each, they say.
With Khosla, “it's the same pro and the same con,” says Jagdeep Singh, founder of battery company Quantumscape, the third he has started where Khosla holds a board seat. “He really doesn't care about what anybody thinks. He's doing what he thinks is right, and he'll stick by it.”
The confrontations are juxtaposed with moments of tenderness, especially when it comes to his family. Khosla's assistant, Ruthie Dionisio, recalls having to enter a 2010 meeting at Khosla Ventures between Khosla and former British Prime Minister Tony Blair, then an adviser to the firm. Khosla had asked her to remind him when the hour was up so he could arrive on time for what he considered a more important appointment: helping his son with college applications.
He’s a generous donor to many charities and has signed onto the Giving Pledge, an initiative created by Bill Gates and Warren Buffett to encourage people to give away at least half their net worth to philanthropy.
One person who has worked with him compared Khosla to a “Tiger Parent,” the type of highly demanding adult who ultimately has a child's best interests at heart.
Relishing Intellectual Debate Khosla's approach to California law parallels his treatment of a portfolio company: He relishes the intellectual debate on property issues and the exercise of forcing precision on California law almost as much as the prospect of winning his case.
In his writings on venture capital, Khosla says many potentially transformative investments have a 90 percent chance of failure. To some degree, that's how his efforts over the beach appear: The odds of the Supreme Court taking a case and then ruling in the petitioner's favor are low, but if it does, the payoff is enormous—in this case, potentially the ability to keep a long and exceptionally beautiful beach to oneself.
On Thursday, the court asked the group Khosla's battling, the Surfriders Foundation, to respond to Khosla's petition by June 13. While this is no guarantee the justices will take up the case, the request signals at least initial interest in Khosla's arguments.
Khosla believes that if the state wants public access to the beach, it needs to compensate him for an easement—the road cutting across his property that beachgoers would use. Not doing so amounts to a violation of the U.S. Constitution's takings clause and due process clause, he says. And because lower courts have held that he can't paint over a billboard that previous owners had used to advertise the beach, he argues, they have violated his First Amendment rights.
For their part, the Surfriders, who originally filed their case in 2013, are taking a more technical approach. They argue that Khosla is violating California's Coastal Act by not seeking appropriate permits before halting access to the beach. A lower court ruled that keeping the beach open requires a public-access easement over Khosla's property, but it didn't require compensation because the easement wouldn't necessarily be permanent.
Khosla's lawyers point out that lower courts have differed on the issue of whether a taking of property must be permanent to require compensation and are asking the Supreme Court to resolve the split. For now, the gate to the beach is generally open.
Meanwhile, Khosla won a separate suit filed in 2012 by a group called Friends of Martins Beach. They argued that the prior owners of the beach had created a right of public access by running a business including a paid parking lot, restrooms and a store. In January this year, a state judge agreed with Khosla that the prior owners had not established that right because access wasn't continuous and required a fee. Friends of Martins Beach is appealing.
A third case in federal court, brought in 2016 by Khosla and alleging harassment and constitutional violations, is on hold while the state cases proceed. Khosla says state and local bodies are applying laws unfairly, for example, requiring him to obtain permits for planting trees at Martins Beach, but not his neighbors.
“We have stringent rules protecting public views of the coast, and Mr. Khosla is not the only property owner who has been required to remove trees,” says Steve Monowitz, community development director at the San Mateo County Planning and Building Department. “I disagree with the assertion that our regulations are not being fairly applied.”
Despite the legal maneuvering popping up regularly in local news, the beach case doesn’t seem to have affected Khosla Ventures. For every entrepreneur who decides not to do business with the firm, many more are eager to tap the expertise of Khosla and his partners, who count some big successes in the portfolio. Square, an investment brought to the firm by former partner Gideon Yu, is one. Cloud-storage company Nutanix, valued at $2 billion at its 2016 IPO, is another. The firm also backs Impossible Foods, maker of a popular meat-alternative burger, and View, which makes windows that automatically darken and lighten, among other investments. Earlier this year, Khosla Ventures filed to raise a $1 billion fund, Khosla VI, plus a $400 million seed-investing fund.
The controversy swirling around Khosla isn’t discussed openly at his firm. A rare exception came in 2014 during a meeting of portfolio companies at a boutique hotel on the San Francisco Bay. At one point, according to a person who attended, Khosla Ventures partner Samir Kaul joked to nervous laughter that one lucky entrepreneur would win a grand prize: a weekend at Martins Beach. No beach invitations materialized. |
Date: April 23rd, 2018 12:38 PM Author: tan sandwich what a fucking shithead. sure, let's pay him for an easement on a road and right of access that preexisted his purchase of the property. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900521) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 12:43 PM Author: comical pit lol. wtf are you talking about? the previous owner willingly opened his PRIVATE ROAD to the public. why should the new owner be forced to do the same thing? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900562) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 12:44 PM Author: High-end boistinker persian Pretty standard for government to be able to enforce access roads to public land through private property. He bought the place knowing what the situation was. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900573) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 12:46 PM Author: comical pit do you even law? show me exactly where in the constitution people are granted the right to access PRIVATE ROADS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900593) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 12:57 PM Author: disturbing bull headed french chef goal in life https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easement (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900693) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:00 PM Author: comical pit do you understand what the 5th amendment is? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900727) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:02 PM Author: cheese-eating racy brunch He never had anything to be taken. Do you even law? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900755) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:03 PM Author: comical pit His PRIVATE ROAD is being taken. Do you even attempt to law? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900764) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:05 PM Author: cheese-eating racy brunch Did he purchase the right to use the road from the State of California? The State of California owns that easement. It is California's right of way. Can you get that through your thick skull, or would you rather not even pretend to law? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900783) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:07 PM Author: comical pit he didn't purchase the road from the State of California you stupid idiot. he purchased it from a private homeowner. are you even familiar with this case? how utterly stupid are you in general? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900798) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:21 PM Author: cheese-eating racy brunch Do you think the previous owner can sell a property right that he didn't own? Does that make sense in your non-lawyer brain? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900918) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:23 PM Author: comical pit uhh, you do realize the previous owner owned the land which is why he charged patrons $2 to go down that road, correct? does that make sense in your cooley 140 LSAT brain? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900941) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:44 PM Author: cerebral cowardly institution it's god's sand man (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35902969) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:05 PM Author: disrespectful razzle market queen of the night He bought the fucking place knowing (or he should have known) that it contained a road with the only access to a public beach. So you can keep on saying "PRIVATE ROAD" but this guy should have realized when he bought the property that this could happen -- that there is a legal basis for this to happen. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900784) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:08 PM Author: comical pit LOLOLOL. Are you that legally retarded to think that private property rights don't transfer over to the new homeowner? Do you think the previous homeowner had rights to his PRIVATE ROAD you dumb idiot? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900808) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:13 PM Author: disrespectful razzle market queen of the night An easement transfers with the land. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900846) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:14 PM Author: comical pit LOL. Just LOL.
How much do you know about the previous landowner? |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:17 PM Author: disrespectful razzle market queen of the night How much do you know? Calm down dude. I read the article, that is it. You are freaking out -- disagree with the lower court's ruling here but it obviously had a basis in law for its finding. You are acting as if this decision was created out of whole cloth. As if there is no such thing as easements. As if this guy did not buy property that stands on the only access to public lands. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900871) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:18 PM Author: comical pit How was he compensated? Describe below. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900892) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:04 PM Author: Charcoal lascivious clown easement by prescription you really seem maf settle down |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:15 PM Author: comical pit How long is this prescriptive easement? What is the timeline?
You seem like an utter statist dumb. |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:14 PM Author: Rusted dead depressive you are uncontroversially correct. the easement is no big deal and is the only ordinary result in the fact pattern.
at the same time, i don't think he's a villain and 99% of the hoopla is just gossip. |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:18 PM Author: disrespectful razzle market queen of the night I never said he was, but to pretend like this guy is being crucified by the courts who are inventing new law to screw him over is ridiculous. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900882) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 12:57 PM Author: disrespectful razzle market queen of the night The lower court ruled against him. It is not outrageous that the state would have an easement in the form of the road for purposes of providing access to public lands to the actual public. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900697) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 12:59 PM Author: disturbing bull headed french chef goal in life There's gotta be ten of thousands of easements out in the US but xo GC bootlicks get up in arms about a billionaire turdskin's complaint. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900721) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:50 PM Author: fuchsia rebellious double fault lettuce "There's gotta be ten of thousands of easements out in the US"
Far more than that. There are probably more than that just in my county. Virtually every parcel has some sort of easement, at minimum for utilities. |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:01 PM Author: comical pit "lower court"
you do realize these courts are full of statist shitlibs, correct? |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:04 PM Author: disrespectful razzle market queen of the night That is not the point. The point is your "do you even law" statement to Buck, when it is clear that there is law that works against Khosla. Is Khosla your dad or something? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900767) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:05 PM Author: comical pit How does the law work against Khosla? The Constitution EXPLICITLY explains why he's right. You statist shitlibs are something else. What law school did you attend? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900781) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:06 PM Author: disrespectful razzle market queen of the night Keep saying "PRIVATE ROAD" and "statist shitlib" as if it means anything. Meanwhile you are being gaped left and right in this thread. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900793) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:09 PM Author: comical pit show me explicitly where in the US Constitution Khosla is wrong. do it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900813) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:14 PM Author: disrespectful razzle market queen of the night The US Constitution does not address every contingency in the law, which is why there is a Supreme Court. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900857) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:20 PM Author: comical pit The US Constitution explicitly forbids the taking of land without just compensation. How was he compensated? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900908) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:34 PM Author: disrespectful razzle market queen of the night Going off the article, the court says easement is not permanent thus no comp. Split in the courts to be decided by SCOTUS. You know this, of course, but are taking a fundamentalist view of property law when the reality is more nuanced. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901061) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:35 PM Author: comical pit LOL. You and I know that SCOTUS is going to side with him and PWN his opponents. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901074) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:36 PM Author: cheese-eating racy brunch Sorry, lib. The SCOTUS won't care about shysters filling frivolous lawsuits against the government to get taxpayer money. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901082) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:40 PM Author: comical pit LOL at calling me a lib when you literally want to force private landowners to cede control of their own land without compensation to retarded government shysters. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901111) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:41 PM Author: cheese-eating racy brunch Lol at libs like you trying to get your gibs from the government. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901128) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:43 PM Author: comical pit Lol at libs like you trying to inflate the coffers of government over private citizens (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901153) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:38 PM Author: disrespectful razzle market queen of the night Could very well happen. But let's revisit your original poasts, which were calling out anyone who suggested that the law in this area is not as clean cut as you make it out to be. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901094) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:41 PM Author: comical pit It will be a glorious day. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901135) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:24 PM Author: Pink irradiated deer antler hissy fit "The US Constitution explicitly forbids the taking of land without just compensation. How was he compensated?"
You're asking the wrong question. What property was he deprived of? If he never had the right to exclude people to begin with, he was not deprived of anything. |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:27 PM Author: comical pit His property is being used without just compensation. Where is his just compensation? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901669) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:41 PM Author: hairraiser self-centered school cuck Lol at switching from "taking" to "using" in the middle of the argument (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901788) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:42 PM Author: comical pit I'm obviously responding to you idiots saying it's TEMPORARY (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901799) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:07 PM Author: Bright school cafeteria fortuitous meteor The court says he needs to apply for a permit to close access. He has not applied for a permit. If they deny a permit he’d prob have a fifth amendment claim. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900796) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:10 PM Author: comical pit LOL. The lower courts, notorious for their retarded decisions that never hold up, are the final arbiter of the US CONSTITUTION now?
LJL |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:16 PM Author: Bright school cafeteria fortuitous meteor ESL? No one said he doesn’t have a potential amendment claim. The question is whether he has to try comply with the California Coastal Act first.
There was a separate lawsuit that Kholsa won (essentially trying to argue that the public had default access to the beach).
https://m.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Judge-hands-Martins-Beach-owner-one-legal-victory-12360905.php |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:18 PM Author: comical pit Constitution > California Coastal Act (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900885) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:29 PM Author: Bright school cafeteria fortuitous meteor All local zoning laws now in peril thanks to this scholarship. Just apply for your permit Vinod. If the state denies it, you can sue, and get a couple hundred gs for an easement. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901015) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:34 PM Author: comical pit When and how was he compensated for the easement? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901064) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:37 PM Author: Bright school cafeteria fortuitous meteor Have you read the case? The appeals court said since the prior owners allowed (paid) access to the beach, Kholsa had to apply for a permit to end access. He’s arguing he should not have to apply for the permit.
I assume he does not want to apply for a permit, because if he loses, than his best option will be to seek a payment from the government. |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:38 PM Author: comical pit Describe your knowledge of the 5th Amendment for me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901101) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:48 PM Author: Bright school cafeteria fortuitous meteor There appears to be a circuit split regarding whether a taking needs to be permanent or temporary to require compensation (and what exactly temporary) means. That’s really the only issue in the Kholsa appeal. Real |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:50 PM Author: cheese-eating racy brunch There is no taking, because the property still has value. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901231) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:54 PM Author: comical pit You think the value of his property wouldn't increase if the public didn't have access to his private road? LOL. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901298) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:55 PM Author: cheese-eating racy brunch (guy who failed property law class) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901322) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:07 PM Author: comical pit (guy who failed at life including law) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901453) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:54 PM Author: Bright school cafeteria fortuitous meteor I don’t think that’s the right analysis. The road would being taken; the question is how much is the road worth (I think that’s where the question of diminishing value comes up). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901300) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:56 PM Author: cheese-eating racy brunch Assuming it is like a common law easement, he still owns the road and it has value. He just needs to allow the public to use it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901336) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:11 PM Author: comical pit LOL. I wish I could pay to watch you say this in front of Scalia. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901510) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:19 PM Author: disrespectful razzle market queen of the night (Eithan with a Ouija Board and a jar of Ragu conjuring up Scalia) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901581) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:21 PM Author: comical pit i still miss the guy. rip scalia
*pours a jar of ragu* |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:23 PM Author: Pink irradiated deer antler hissy fit You seem to be arguing that he is being deprived of a property right (i.e., the right to exclude people from ingress/egress), without acknowledging or understanding that argument that he never had that right to begin with (i.e., that there was a pre-existing easement, so the prior owner never had that right, and thus could not transfer that right to Khosla).
In short, you seem dumb. |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:25 PM Author: comical pit when was the easement compensated? or is it temporary? if it's temporary, why has it lasted decades?
i don't say this much but you do seem truly dumb. |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 5:01 PM Author: lilac menage community account What law school did you attend, because you're fucking flailing here, george20. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35903073) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:18 PM Author: Autistic box office that pumo is literally khosla (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900884) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:19 PM Author: disrespectful razzle market queen of the night (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900898) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:20 PM Author: Jet Police Squad Incel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900906) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:22 PM Author: comical pit Think about yourself and the two idiots above you. Do you sub IQs want to go down this road where government steals your land, forces people on your property while at the same time making you LIABLE for anyone that gets injured on your property? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900928) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:26 PM Author: Autistic box office not a denial (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900979) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 12:58 PM Author: cheese-eating racy brunch Do you even law? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900708) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 12:39 PM Author: Autistic box office just mob this guy's house and string him up, move homeless in (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900530) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 12:43 PM Author: High-end boistinker persian (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900563) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 12:44 PM Author: comical pit why? it's his road and his property. what if you had a park adjacent to your backyard and were forced to open your backyard to the public for park access? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900571) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 12:46 PM Author: Autistic box office wouldn't care (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900588) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 12:46 PM Author: comical pit and it escapes you that others may care? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900599) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:07 PM Author: Autistic box office I understand that YOU care, Vinod (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900801) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:11 PM Author: comical pit I understand that you feel PRIVATE LAND should be taken by force by the government, you socialist lib (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900825) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:11 PM Author: Milky Laughsome Casino If I bought it knowing that's the case then I'd be silly to complain (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900823) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:20 PM Author: excitant chartreuse theater stage pisswyrm A better analogy is “what if you had a park adjacent to your backyard and previous owners had allowed the public to use a portion of your property for park access?” He should have been well aware that an easement likely existed on his property. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35902785) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 12:54 PM Author: citrine death wish indirect expression 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900673) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 12:55 PM Author: pearly big scourge upon the earth trailer park cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900676) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:05 PM Author: Jet Police Squad Incel cr he should be jailed for even attempting this. the fucking gall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900788) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:14 PM Author: comical pit yes he should be jailed for have his constitutional rights taken. you're right (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900850) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:20 PM Author: Jet Police Squad Incel cr and we should deport you too (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900905) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:28 PM Author: pearly big scourge upon the earth trailer park (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901004) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:35 PM Author: Autistic box office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901070) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:59 PM Author: talented insanely creepy dilemma sweet tailpipe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901370) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:08 PM Author: Jade diverse rigor really tough guy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901473) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:20 PM Author: cheese-eating racy brunch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900910) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:08 PM Author: Jade diverse rigor really tough guy CR
Fuck this turd. |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 12:40 PM Author: Thriller Locale Therapy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900532) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 12:51 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle Geriatric Affirmative Action (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900637) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:05 PM Author: Charcoal lascivious clown (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901439) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 12:47 PM Author: disturbing bull headed french chef goal in life If this turdskin wants to be a lord he can move the fuck back to turdistan and buy a beach there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900603) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 12:49 PM Author: comical pit i thought a conservative like you would support property rights. how utterly libtard are you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900619) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 12:53 PM Author: disturbing bull headed french chef goal in life protip: I'm not conservative. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900660) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 12:54 PM Author: comical pit protip: you're a statist lib bent on nationalizing private property (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900667) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 12:55 PM Author: disturbing bull headed french chef goal in life Yup, you go me. Easements are fundamentally COMMUNIST (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900679) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:02 PM Author: comical pit what don't you understand about the 5th and the 14th? are you really this legally retarded? can you describe your IQ for me? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900754) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:04 PM Author: disturbing bull headed french chef goal in life (LOLitarian literally weeping for a turdskin billionaire) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900775) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:06 PM Author: comical pit Oh the horror of sticking up for the US Constitution against statist shills like yourself (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900789) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 12:55 PM Author: slap-happy floppy striped hyena How is this different from the cases I read in property class where the landowners uniformly lost? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900681) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:00 PM Author: Thriller Locale Therapy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900726) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:26 PM Author: slap-happy floppy striped hyena Those cases were big name (((movie executives))) with houses in Malibu. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900976) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:11 PM Author: twinkling passionate point dis veddy bad!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900827) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:14 PM Author: Dull Cracking Area Elastic Band He needs to go back. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900849) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:45 PM Author: Smoky hot lay (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901176) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:09 PM Author: Jade diverse rigor really tough guy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901486) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 5:31 PM Author: Glassy Cruise Ship Trump Supporter (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35903262) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:18 PM Author: High-end boistinker persian 1950s-1990s America: The previous owners, a family called the Deeneys, had allowed the public to access the beach for a fee of a couple of dollars. In return, the Deeneys maintained a parking lot and small concession store.
post-2000 "America":
Psychotic Turdjews and corrupt ACCBs buying up all property, fucking over the natives any way possible |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:37 PM Author: Yapping aqua quadroon space (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901087) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:20 PM Author: Rusted dead depressive "Before Khosla bought the property, there was a gate and parking area permitting access to the beach. The family that previously owned the property charged anywhere from $2 to $10 for parking at the beach, which also once had a restaurant and convenience store that catered to visitors."
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Martin's+Beach/@37.3753277,-122.4068076,1184m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x808f090cb6271353:0x3d9391e735ac292a!8m2!3d37.3736981!4d-122.4083224 |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:24 PM Author: comical pit but but but CALIFORNIA owned that road, cried the festering socialist statist shitlibs ITT with subpar IQs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900954) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:26 PM Author: disturbing bull headed french chef goal in life They charged for parking, not access. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900972) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:27 PM Author: cheese-eating racy brunch His iq is too low to read. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35900984) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:29 PM Author: comical pit Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:27 PM Author: eithan (10-4, good buddy! Kill all shitlibs.)
His iq is too low to read. |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:29 PM Author: comical pit Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:26 PM Author: animeboi
They charged for parking, not access. |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:30 PM Author: comical pit "Martins Beach consists of 89 acres along the California coast in San Mateo County. For most of the last century, it was owned by a family known as the Denneys. The Denneys used it as a beach access business."
"According to the appeal, "After paying the fee set by the Denneys, patrons could use the private road to enter the Deeneys' property, park in the parking lot the Denneys built and maintained, and use the beach and other amenities the Deeneys built and maintained…" While the Denneys originally charged only $0.25 to access their beach, over time, they gradually increased the fee to $2 and ultimately $10. But, by the 2000s, their business was no longer profitable…"
https://realtytimes.com/consumeradvice/homeownersadvice/item/1015428-20180227-beach-access-case-is-appealed-to-the-us-supreme-court |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:30 PM Author: comical pit PWN PWN PWN PWN (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901023) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:32 PM Author: disturbing bull headed french chef goal in life ""After paying the fee set by the Denneys, patrons could use the private road to enter the Deeneys' property, park in the parking lot the Denneys built and maintained, and use the beach and other amenities the Deeneys built and maintained…" "
PWN PWN PWN faggit. you got fucking PWNED. kill yourself, lolitarian faggit. |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:33 PM Author: comical pit "While the Denneys originally charged only $0.25 to access their beach, over time, they gradually increased the fee to $2 and ultimately $10. But, by the 2000s, their business was no longer profitable…"
"While the Denneys originally charged only $0.25 to access their beach, over time, they gradually increased the fee to $2 and ultimately $10. But, by the 2000s, their business was no longer profitable…"
"While the Denneys originally charged only $0.25 to access their beach, over time, they gradually increased the fee to $2 and ultimately $10. But, by the 2000s, their business was no longer profitable…" |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:30 PM Author: comical pit 1800000000000000000 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901024) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:32 PM Author: disturbing bull headed french chef goal in life ""After paying the fee set by the Denneys, patrons could use the private road to enter the Deeneys' property, park in the parking lot the Denneys built and maintained, and use the beach and other amenities the Deeneys built and maintained…" " PWN PWN PWN faggit. you got fucking PWNED. kill yourself, lolitarian faggit. |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:33 PM Author: comical pit "While the Denneys originally charged only $0.25 to access their beach, over time, they gradually increased the fee to $2 and ultimately $10. But, by the 2000s, their business was no longer profitable…" "While the Denneys originally charged only $0.25 to access their beach, over time, they gradually increased the fee to $2 and ultimately $10. But, by the 2000s, their business was no longer profitable…"
"While the Denneys originally charged only $0.25 to access their beach, over time, they gradually increased the fee to $2 and ultimately $10. But, by the 2000s, their business was no longer profitable…"
PWN PWN PWN PWN |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:35 PM Author: disrespectful razzle market queen of the night Are you 180'ing and lol'ing your own poast? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901077) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:31 PM Author: comical pit HADOUKEN HADOUKEN SHORYUKEN (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901028) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:32 PM Author: disturbing bull headed french chef goal in life ""After paying the fee set by the Denneys, patrons could use the private road to enter the Deeneys' property, park in the parking lot the Denneys built and maintained, and use the beach and other amenities the Deeneys built and maintained…" " PWN PWN PWN faggit. you got fucking PWNED. kill yourself, lolitarian faggit. |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:33 PM Author: comical pit "While the Denneys originally charged only $0.25 to access their beach, over time, they gradually increased the fee to $2 and ultimately $10. But, by the 2000s, their business was no longer profitable…" "While the Denneys originally charged only $0.25 to access their beach, over time, they gradually increased the fee to $2 and ultimately $10. But, by the 2000s, their business was no longer profitable…"
"While the Denneys originally charged only $0.25 to access their beach, over time, they gradually increased the fee to $2 and ultimately $10. But, by the 2000s, their business was no longer profitable…"
PWN PWN PWN PWN |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:34 PM Author: disturbing bull headed french chef goal in life ""After paying the fee set by the Denneys, patrons could use the private road to enter the Deeneys' property, park in the parking lot the Denneys built and maintained, and use the beach and other amenities the Deeneys built and maintained…" " PWN PWN PWN faggit. you got fucking PWNED. kill yourself, lolitarian faggit.""After paying the fee set by the Denneys, patrons could use the private road to enter the Deeneys' property, park in the parking lot the Denneys built and maintained, and use the beach and other amenities the Deeneys built and maintained…" " PWN PWN PWN faggit. you got fucking PWNED. kill yourself, lolitarian faggit.""After paying the fee set by the Denneys, patrons could use the private road to enter the Deeneys' property, park in the parking lot the Denneys built and maintained, and use the beach and other amenities the Deeneys built and maintained…" " PWN PWN PWN faggit. you got fucking PWNED. kill yourself, lolitarian faggit.""After paying the fee set by the Denneys, patrons could use the private road to enter the Deeneys' property, park in the parking lot the Denneys built and maintained, and use the beach and other amenities the Deeneys built and maintained…" " PWN PWN PWN faggit. you got fucking PWNED. kill yourself, lolitarian faggit.""After paying the fee set by the Denneys, patrons could use the private road to enter the Deeneys' property, park in the parking lot the Denneys built and maintained, and use the beach and other amenities the Deeneys built and maintained…" " PWN PWN PWN faggit. you got fucking PWNED. kill yourself, lolitarian faggit.""After paying the fee set by the Denneys, patrons could use the private road to enter the Deeneys' property, park in the parking lot the Denneys built and maintained, and use the beach and other amenities the Deeneys built and maintained…" " PWN PWN PWN faggit. you got fucking PWNED. kill yourself, lolitarian faggit.""After paying the fee set by the Denneys, patrons could use the private road to enter the Deeneys' property, park in the parking lot the Denneys built and maintained, and use the beach and other amenities the Deeneys built and maintained…" " PWN PWN PWN faggit. you got fucking PWNED. kill yourself, lolitarian faggit. |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:31 PM Author: comical pit i lol'd (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901031) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:33 PM Author: disturbing bull headed french chef goal in life ""After paying the fee set by the Denneys, patrons could use the private road to enter the Deeneys' property, park in the parking lot the Denneys built and maintained, and use the beach and other amenities the Deeneys built and maintained…" " PWN PWN PWN faggit. you got fucking PWNED. kill yourself, lolitarian faggit. |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:33 PM Author: comical pit "While the Denneys originally charged only $0.25 to access their beach, over time, they gradually increased the fee to $2 and ultimately $10. But, by the 2000s, their business was no longer profitable…" "While the Denneys originally charged only $0.25 to access their beach, over time, they gradually increased the fee to $2 and ultimately $10. But, by the 2000s, their business was no longer profitable…"
"While the Denneys originally charged only $0.25 to access their beach, over time, they gradually increased the fee to $2 and ultimately $10. But, by the 2000s, their business was no longer profitable…"
PWN PWN PWN PWN |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:31 PM Author: comical pit /thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901032) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:33 PM Author: disturbing bull headed french chef goal in life ""After paying the fee set by the Denneys, patrons could use the private road to enter the Deeneys' property, park in the parking lot the Denneys built and maintained, and use the beach and other amenities the Deeneys built and maintained…" " PWN PWN PWN faggit. you got fucking PWNED. kill yourself, lolitarian faggit. |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:33 PM Author: comical pit "While the Denneys originally charged only $0.25 to access their beach, over time, they gradually increased the fee to $2 and ultimately $10. But, by the 2000s, their business was no longer profitable…" "While the Denneys originally charged only $0.25 to access their beach, over time, they gradually increased the fee to $2 and ultimately $10. But, by the 2000s, their business was no longer profitable…"
"While the Denneys originally charged only $0.25 to access their beach, over time, they gradually increased the fee to $2 and ultimately $10. But, by the 2000s, their business was no longer profitable…"
PWN PWN PWN PWN |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:40 PM Author: disturbing bull headed french chef goal in life ""After paying the fee set by the Denneys, patrons could use the private road to enter the Deeneys' property, park in the parking lot the Denneys built and maintained, and use the beach and other amenities the Deeneys built and maintained…" " PWN PWN PWN faggit. you got fucking PWNED. kill yourself, lolitarian faggit.""After paying the fee set by the Denneys, patrons could use the private road to enter the Deeneys' property, park in the parking lot the Denneys built and maintained, and use the beach and other amenities the Deeneys built and maintained…" " PWN PWN PWN faggit. you got fucking PWNED. kill yourself, lolitarian faggit.""After paying the fee set by the Denneys, patrons could use the private road to enter the Deeneys' property, park in the parking lot the Denneys built and maintained, and use the beach and other amenities the Deeneys built and maintained…" " PWN PWN PWN faggit. you got fucking PWNED. kill yourself, lolitarian faggit. |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:34 PM Author: High-end boistinker persian "According to the appeal," (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901060) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:35 PM Author: comical pit lololol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901076) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:40 PM Author: disrespectful razzle market queen of the night Government should pay him some amount to compensate him for the easement and then advertise in every shitty area of California for poor people to come to this beach (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901116) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:41 PM Author: slap-happy floppy striped hyena They should do that to punish him for being a prick, but they don’t need to compensate him. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901130) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:42 PM Author: comical pit why not? describe your cooley logic. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901142) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:54 PM Author: slap-happy floppy striped hyena It is a pre-existing right of way and the case law is well settled. Why should he get paid for it? He knew or should have known about it when he bought the property. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901301) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:00 PM Author: comical pit (guy unfamiliar with the US Constitution)
(obviously not a lawyer)
Do you support government willy nilly stealing any land it wants for public use? How would you feel if your house bordered a USPS and said government kicked you out (and gave you nothing) to build a more convenient public road to the postal office? |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:09 PM Author: slap-happy floppy striped hyena i appreciate the content creation, but this is just lazy.
next t8me maybe read the filings and tax inspiration from/parrot back the main arguments. |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:20 PM Author: comical pit how long is the easement if it's temporary and he's not being compensated? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901595) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:28 PM Author: slap-happy floppy striped hyena perpetual? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901677) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:31 PM Author: comical pit lol. now explain to me why this isn't against the 5th amendment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901691) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:35 PM Author: slap-happy floppy striped hyena 5th am doesn’t apply to something you never owned. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901735) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:36 PM Author: comical pit he owns that road buddy. what IQ are you operating at here? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901746) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:39 PM Author: slap-happy floppy striped hyena Apparently pretty low since I keep responding to your low iq shtick. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901767) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:41 PM Author: comical pit Yes, I'm the low IQ shtick, not the guy (you) who thinks California owns that road. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901791) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:24 PM Author: excitant chartreuse theater stage pisswyrm Lol you faggot, you’re the only one ITT clearly unfamiliar with this area of law. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35902815) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:46 PM Author: cheese-eating racy brunch george20: "what you did to my ass was a taking!" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901185) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:51 PM Author: sick multi-colored volcanic crater I love these threads and could read them all day long. Talk about a labor of love for whoever plays the psychotic low-IQ poaster autistically responding to every single opposing poast with angry and repetitive citations to the U.S. Constitution, though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901248) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:03 PM Author: comical pit Yes, the only one who literally cites the U.S. Constitution to support Khosla's case is the low IQ one. LJL at you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901409) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:10 PM Author: Jade diverse rigor really tough guy Hatred of this greedy turd is the first thing that has unified Trumpmos and Libs around here in a long time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901497) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:09 PM Author: tan sandwich >Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:54 PM >Author: .,.,,..,,,..,,.,.,,..,,,..,,.,.,.,..,.,.,.,,.,,.,.
>You think the value of his property wouldn't increase if the public >didn't have access to his private road? LOL.
Question here. If the public access changes the value of his property, and the public access existed before he bought the property, then why can't we validly conclude that the purchase price he paid for the property took into account the change in value from public access?
In other words, what loss does he need to be compensated for? |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:10 PM Author: slap-happy floppy striped hyena this guy is obviously trolling. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901498) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:11 PM Author: Jet Police Squad Incel george20 is an actual retard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901503) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:13 PM Author: slap-happy floppy striped hyena is gorge20 the deranged pumo? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901529) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:15 PM Author: Jet Police Squad Incel pretty likely (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901552) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 3:35 PM Author: green trip legal warrant Yes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35902369) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:31 PM Author: excitant chartreuse theater stage pisswyrm Obviously. The only thing missing is his references to being a published economist. Faggot clearly doesn’t law. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35902869) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:17 PM Author: comical pit (180 high IQ poaster)
Lots of literal low IQs ITT will reply to you with gibberish. Don't mind them. |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:18 PM Author: tan sandwich there actually is a responsive answer/counterpoint to this, but I'm curious to see if george20 is smart enough to grasp it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901577) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:17 PM Author: spectacular philosopher-king cant tell if the pumo is a genius or insane. can someone succinctly summarize his argument and the counterargument? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901565) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:19 PM Author: comical pit Apparently citing the 5th Amendment of the US Constitution is grounds for being retarded because the Coastal Act of California supersedes constitutional law. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901580) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:22 PM Author: spectacular philosopher-king ok, so what is the counterargument against this violating 5th (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901611) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:24 PM Author: comical pit EASEMENT! it's only TEMPORARY!
*refuses to give timeline of the prescriptive easement that has lasted decades with no end in sight*
this is the argument of the literal retards ITT. |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:25 PM Author: spectacular philosopher-king can u give a non histrionic summarY? im honestly trying to understand the 2 sides (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901653) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:26 PM Author: comical pit i'm trying to be as non histrionic as possible but these literal retards are too low IQ to give one logical justification for stealing one's land. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901664) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:26 PM Author: Bright school cafeteria fortuitous meteor Apply for permit. Permit granted: access is closed. Permit denied; sue for taking. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901660) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:21 PM Author: Bright school cafeteria fortuitous meteor The case has a weird posture that no one is discussing (essentially the court has ordered an easement until Kholsa applies for a permit to close access). The question presented to SCOTUS is whether a temporary easement should trigger compensation (and more generally how to define temporary). Kholsa has actually won a separate case that argued an easement already existed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901608) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:22 PM Author: spectacular philosopher-king so khosla won case saying no easement? but CA is still trying to keep it open? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901617) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:25 PM Author: Bright school cafeteria fortuitous meteor Cali court says that he has to maintain what previous owner did, as California requires a permit to change coastal access (even when you are closing access). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901647) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:30 PM Author: comical pit How did California compensate the previous homeowner for public use of his land? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35901685) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:39 PM Author: Bright school cafeteria fortuitous meteor Since you refuse to engage with the actual issue in the appeal, which is procedural, this is getting dumb. I get that a bunch of people are arguing rhat he should not be paid comp, but I am not making that point.
Edit: here’s the appeals court take on whether denying a permit will trigger a takings claim.
“Appellants also argue their challenge to the permit requirement is ripe because ―neither the County nor the [Coastal] Commission could deny a request for a permit to exercise [the right to exclude] without violating the Takings Clause.‖ It may be that appellants‘ CDP application will be granted because the reviewing authority concludes denial of a permit would violate appellants‘ property rights, contrary to section 30010 of the Coastal Act. That determination will depend on the record developed following a CDP application. But appellants present no authority for the proposition that the likelihood their permit will be granted affects this court‘s analysis of the ripeness of their claim.” |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 3:23 PM Author: cream university blood rage Did you dumbasses never take property law? If you let people cut across your property for years and don’t try to stop them, the public receives an easement and you cant suddenly put up a fence to block them. This is part of the common law. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35902261) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 3:42 PM Author: hairraiser self-centered school cuck They were apparently being charged admission for permission to enter which I assume would undermine a prescriptive easement / easement by adverse possession (if its true).
In any event the issue currently in court isn't whether there's a public easement |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:35 PM Author: excitant chartreuse theater stage pisswyrm George20, can you explain how I might be compensated if locatable minerals are found on my property and some faggot miner stakes a claim, builds a cabin, and moves in equipment for a placer mining operation?
Edit: aside from compensation for damage to the property |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:52 PM Author: cerebral cowardly institution i wish my property law class was like this thread.
If previous owner owned the land and charged everyone to cross then I would think that's not an easement. If California didn't come to an agreement to purchase an easement with previous owner I would think this dude wins unless he continued to let people cross for years and years without stopping them or charging them (prescriptive easement).
I don't know anything about bullshit California law though.
I think billionaire wins unless the trial court had some kind of deal between previous owner and state or waited forever before stopping people. |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 5:02 PM Author: Milky Laughsome Casino Your mastering of the facts needs work.
He didn't charge them to use the path, just to park. |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 5:10 PM Author: charismatic voyeur I don't know anything about bullshit califronia law either, but--seems to be a high likelihood of a fact issue on an easement. Who do you think the jury sides with? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35903136) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 5:01 PM Author: lilac menage community account jesus christ george20 is dumb (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35903080) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 5:07 PM Author: mahogany spot personal credit line Your typical third worlders who becomes rich. Sociopathic and vindictive, I wouldn't be surprised if he owns slaves. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35903118) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 8:20 PM Author: Effete Parlour Wrinkle String this turd up (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#35927901) |
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Date: June 14th, 2018 10:20 AM Author: Bright school cafeteria fortuitous meteor Opposition to cert filed yesterday. SCOTUS last conference is a week from today, so it get a vote before the end of the term.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/17/17-1198/50086/20180613142143057_SCt%20BIO--Surfrider%20FINAL.pdf |
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Date: October 1st, 2018 10:27 AM Author: Bright school cafeteria fortuitous meteor Cert denied! Time to apply for your permit Vinod!
Wonder if pumo takings MFE has any thoughts on the decision. |
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Date: October 1st, 2018 10:28 AM Author: Effete Parlour Wrinkle george20 is out searching for hairy muscular buttocks but he'll be back (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#36931966) |
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Date: October 1st, 2018 10:29 AM Author: Effete Parlour Wrinkle Trump needs to send this guy back to India (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#36931969) |
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Date: October 1st, 2018 10:33 AM Author: Jade diverse rigor really tough guy lol 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957346&forum_id=2#36931991) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2020 8:57 PM Author: Bright school cafeteria fortuitous meteor Update; looks like Cali state courts sided with Vinod, but AG is now suing
Last month, a state appeals court sided with Khosla, who argued that the public doesn't get a permanent right to use the property just because the former owners allowed access to the road.
But the suit filed Monday by the state contends that because the beach has been heavily used by the public for more than a century for recreational activities, it has acquired access rights under a common law doctrine known as “implied dedication.”
“For as far back as can be historically documented, the public has used and treated the beach as a public beach, and the previous owners knew of that public use and did not interfere with such use,” the lawsuit states
https://www.kqed.org/news/11794272/california-sues-billionaire-landowner-over-access-to-martins-beach |