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Which famous musician's legacy was helped most by an early death?

Intuitively I feel like Cobain is the right answer here, but...
Abnormal Macaca
  04/23/18
Cobain for sure I don't know enough about Jim Morrison, b...
Mauve Ape Theater Stage
  04/23/18
i think it's either Joplin or Morrison. both were already i...
Free-loading Chartreuse Point
  04/23/18
Jim Croce is still alive as a guitar teacher in Fairborn, Oh...
rose tantric stead
  04/23/18
Elvis
Glassy racy fanboi garrison
  04/23/18
Jimi easily. Had he stayed alive, he would've gone the Mile...
curious property turdskin
  04/23/18
Hendrix is a possibility, but his play was so unique and sou...
Abnormal Macaca
  04/23/18
No way. It's not like Miles Davis's popular music is conside...
passionate aquamarine field
  04/23/18
it's obscure to most non-musicians, particularly his albums ...
curious property turdskin
  04/23/18
I don't know about that.
Mauve Ape Theater Stage
  04/23/18
not having a Jimi/Santana Grammys "mashup" in 2003...
Free-loading Chartreuse Point
  04/23/18
like prince
yellow fat ankles senate
  04/23/18
hank williams has to be up there. he was popular during his...
Histrionic ungodly cuckold jewess
  04/23/18
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garnet office
  04/23/18
Wrong. Johnny Cash wasn't pop-country and remained relevant...
Nubile Aromatic School
  04/23/18
lol, don't be silly. songs like "walk the line" a...
Histrionic ungodly cuckold jewess
  04/23/18
Johnny Cash's career was at a point of very high irrelevancy...
razzle pervert locus
  04/23/18
Joplin or cobain
Soul-stirring cowardly digit ratio
  04/23/18
Cr
cracking gaping set
  04/23/18
how was joplin's career helped by her death? she sucked bef...
curious property turdskin
  04/23/18
lol no, she's idolized by ugly fat boomers who love ugly fat...
Free-loading Chartreuse Point
  04/23/18
btw, the musicians i listed are just some suggestions. certa...
Abnormal Macaca
  04/23/18
I always forget buddy holly even existed
Soul-stirring cowardly digit ratio
  04/23/18
the Big Bopper was supposed to be on that plane. You're prob...
submissive abode
  04/23/18
holly was wildly-popular when he was alive and had a massive...
Histrionic ungodly cuckold jewess
  04/23/18
Buddy Holly was cr and on his way to being huge
violent floppy kitty cat
  04/23/18
Buddy Holly is an interesting choice - he released a stunnin...
exciting slimy useless brakes
  04/24/18
Morrison.
Irradiated transparent pisswyrm roommate
  04/23/18
Joplin wouldn't be anywhere close to as famous if not for he...
odious irate hospital reading party
  04/23/18
...
Soul-stirring cowardly digit ratio
  04/23/18
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Alcoholic Site
  04/23/18
Sublime is another example of an early death drastically inc...
Soul-stirring cowardly digit ratio
  04/23/18
that's probably true
Abnormal Macaca
  04/23/18
I heard an obscure sublime song last weekend that I had neve...
Mauve Ape Theater Stage
  04/23/18
Sublime are HUGE among the appropriate age group.
Nubile Aromatic School
  04/23/18
Morrison. He was on his way to becoming a has-been fat boome...
provocative costumed azn menage
  04/23/18
Jim Morrison, easily. He was already in a steep decline. ...
thriller stock car
  04/23/18
Buddy Holly had a lot of future potential. Richie Valens an...
Nubile Aromatic School
  04/23/18
janis joplin
onyx concupiscible organic girlfriend haunted graveyard
  04/23/18
Sid Vicious, because he was a shitty "musician" an...
Bearded Degenerate Dilemma
  04/23/18
I don't think he has a musical legacy though.
Nubile Aromatic School
  04/23/18
well, OP said "musician's legacy", not musical leg...
Bearded Degenerate Dilemma
  04/23/18
this is pretty cr. look what became of johnny rotten post se...
onyx concupiscible organic girlfriend haunted graveyard
  04/23/18
Actually Public Image Ltd was a great band who made some rea...
Bearded Degenerate Dilemma
  04/23/18
Cr
razzle pervert locus
  04/23/18
Rotten had Public Image Ltd which was far superior to the Se...
submissive abode
  04/23/18
Public Image Ltd is pretty cr, faggit.
Nubile Aromatic School
  04/23/18
listen guys i never heard this public image or whatever band...
onyx concupiscible organic girlfriend haunted graveyard
  04/23/18
I'd say that he didn't have nearly as much fame with PiL as ...
razzle pervert locus
  04/23/18
...
flesh chest-beating background story goal in life
  04/24/18
Cobain easily, give nirvana two more albums and he's not the...
mischievous hissy fit chapel
  04/23/18
Cobain had future potential. He was actually talking about ...
Nubile Aromatic School
  04/23/18
...
Bearded Degenerate Dilemma
  04/23/18
Sure, sure. It would have sucked
mischievous hissy fit chapel
  04/23/18
lol
onyx concupiscible organic girlfriend haunted graveyard
  04/23/18
What about Bob Marley? He's revered as almost a religious, ...
Bearded Degenerate Dilemma
  04/23/18
Naw. He died at 36 from natural causes. I think his popula...
Nubile Aromatic School
  04/23/18
speaking of him, that's kind of what happened to robert john...
Histrionic ungodly cuckold jewess
  04/23/18
Nah, reefer Bob was legit
Scarlet filthpig
  04/23/18
Scott Weiland
yellow fat ankles senate
  04/23/18
The Scott Weiland story is what would have happened to Kurt ...
razzle pervert locus
  04/23/18
cr. scott weiland would be held in far higher esteem had he...
Free-loading Chartreuse Point
  04/24/18
The guy who sang la bamba
twinkling coiffed alpha
  04/24/18
Richie Valens, already mentioned.
Nubile Aromatic School
  04/24/18
Isaac Brock
flesh chest-beating background story goal in life
  04/24/18
morrison is prolly most cr but Elliott Smith is pretty clos...
vigorous ebony blood rage
  04/24/18
My moniker is partly an homage to E. Smith but I don't reall...
razzle pervert locus
  04/24/18


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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:08 PM
Author: Abnormal Macaca

Intuitively I feel like Cobain is the right answer here, but what about people like Buddy Holly, Jim Morrison, Janis Joplin, Notorious B.I.G., etc?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902653)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:11 PM
Author: Mauve Ape Theater Stage

Cobain for sure

I don't know enough about Jim Morrison, but the Doors had like 9 studio albums plus multiple live albums. If he lived, he would just be another boomer musician who gets fat and dies at like 70

Notorious B.I.G. was helped, but if he were still alive I think he would still be somewhat relevant today, in the way that Jay Z and Snoop Dogg are today (not a ton of big hits anymore, but still around)

I don't know shit about Janis Joplin

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902687)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:12 PM
Author: Free-loading Chartreuse Point

i think it's either Joplin or Morrison. both were already in steady decline at time of death and got revived with publicity from death.

jim croce is probably another option. he was planning to quit music and become a screenwriter when his plane crashed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902699)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:27 PM
Author: rose tantric stead

Jim Croce is still alive as a guitar teacher in Fairborn, Ohio

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902839)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:13 PM
Author: Glassy racy fanboi garrison

Elvis

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902706)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:14 PM
Author: curious property turdskin

Jimi easily. Had he stayed alive, he would've gone the Miles free jazz route into obscurity rather than remain a perennial rock god.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902720)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:14 PM
Author: Abnormal Macaca

Hendrix is a possibility, but his play was so unique and soulful that he would have continued to be revered as a guitar icon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902727)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:14 PM
Author: passionate aquamarine field

No way. It's not like Miles Davis's popular music is considered obscure now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902729)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:16 PM
Author: curious property turdskin

it's obscure to most non-musicians, particularly his albums after bitches brew.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902749)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:18 PM
Author: Mauve Ape Theater Stage

I don't know about that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902762)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:45 PM
Author: Free-loading Chartreuse Point

not having a Jimi/Santana Grammys "mashup" in 2003 was probably the saving grace of our (((culture)))

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35904974)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:18 PM
Author: yellow fat ankles senate

like prince

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905199)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:15 PM
Author: Histrionic ungodly cuckold jewess

hank williams has to be up there. he was popular during his lifetime, but his style of "country-western" was actually getting overtaken by pop country near the end of his run. his death turned him into a cultural icon.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902737)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:17 PM
Author: garnet office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902760)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:45 PM
Author: Nubile Aromatic School

Wrong. Johnny Cash wasn't pop-country and remained relevant right up to his death.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35904977)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:52 PM
Author: Histrionic ungodly cuckold jewess

lol, don't be silly. songs like "walk the line" and "ring of fire" (his biggest early hits) were much more pop-country than anything hank williams did aside from maybe "hey good lookin'". HW was doing weird, jittery songs like "kaw-liga" or singing plaintively about how he wasn't going to make it out of the world alive.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905020)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:06 PM
Author: razzle pervert locus

Johnny Cash's career was at a point of very high irrelevancy before he linked up with Rick Rubin to do the American albums

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905094)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:16 PM
Author: Soul-stirring cowardly digit ratio

Joplin or cobain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902741)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:16 PM
Author: cracking gaping set

Cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902747)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:17 PM
Author: curious property turdskin

how was joplin's career helped by her death? she sucked before she died and didn't really get any more popular or revered posthumously

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902758)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:45 PM
Author: Free-loading Chartreuse Point

lol no, she's idolized by ugly fat boomers who love ugly fat singers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35904978)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:21 PM
Author: Abnormal Macaca

btw, the musicians i listed are just some suggestions. certainly not meant to be exhaustive.

Buddy Holly certainly gets a lot of cache from dying in that plane crash. who knows if he'd have ever made it really big

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902789)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:23 PM
Author: Soul-stirring cowardly digit ratio

I always forget buddy holly even existed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902807)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:52 PM
Author: submissive abode

the Big Bopper was supposed to be on that plane. You're probably thinking "who the fuck is the Big Bopper". Exactly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905021)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:54 PM
Author: Histrionic ungodly cuckold jewess

holly was wildly-popular when he was alive and had a massive #1 hit in 1957 with "That'll Be the Day." richie valens is probably a better example of someone who became a lot more popular as a result of that crash, and then again after that 80's biopic came out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905035)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:06 PM
Author: violent floppy kitty cat

Buddy Holly was cr and on his way to being huge

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905096)



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Date: April 24th, 2018 6:11 AM
Author: exciting slimy useless brakes

Buddy Holly is an interesting choice - he released a stunning number of classic songs in an extraordinarily short period of time - like 18 months. There's no way he could've kept up anything like that pace.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35906923)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:18 PM
Author: Irradiated transparent pisswyrm roommate

Morrison.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902763)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:20 PM
Author: odious irate hospital reading party

Joplin wouldn't be anywhere close to as famous if not for her death. Her most well-known album, with pretty much the only songs people know from her, was released posthumously

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902783)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:23 PM
Author: Soul-stirring cowardly digit ratio



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902803)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:04 PM
Author: Alcoholic Site



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905080)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:24 PM
Author: Soul-stirring cowardly digit ratio

Sublime is another example of an early death drastically increasing their popularity. Not on the same level as some others, but certainly worth mentioning

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902816)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:26 PM
Author: Abnormal Macaca

that's probably true

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902828)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:28 PM
Author: Mauve Ape Theater Stage

I heard an obscure sublime song last weekend that I had never heard before (not one of the usual ones you hear on the radio). it was awesome.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902844)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:46 PM
Author: Nubile Aromatic School

Sublime are HUGE among the appropriate age group.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35904987)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:31 PM
Author: provocative costumed azn menage

Morrison. He was on his way to becoming a has-been fat boomer when he died.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902875)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:42 PM
Author: thriller stock car

Jim Morrison, easily. He was already in a steep decline.

Could maybe argue Ian Curtis.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35904948)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:44 PM
Author: Nubile Aromatic School

Buddy Holly had a lot of future potential. Richie Valens and the Big Bopper OTOH are only remembered for dying.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35904958)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:46 PM
Author: onyx concupiscible organic girlfriend haunted graveyard

janis joplin

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35904983)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:47 PM
Author: Bearded Degenerate Dilemma

Sid Vicious, because he was a shitty "musician" and an utter retard who wouldn't have been able to go onto anything else and basically did nothing else but die. Instead he became an icon, on t-shirts, had movies made about him

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35904991)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:56 PM
Author: Nubile Aromatic School

I don't think he has a musical legacy though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905041)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:57 PM
Author: Bearded Degenerate Dilemma

well, OP said "musician's legacy", not musical legacy in particular

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905049)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:01 PM
Author: onyx concupiscible organic girlfriend haunted graveyard

this is pretty cr. look what became of johnny rotten post sex pistols. just a bloated rat faced brit with nothing interesting to say.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905070)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:02 PM
Author: Bearded Degenerate Dilemma

Actually Public Image Ltd was a great band who made some really good albums in the 80s. And Rotten was a clever guy. But Sid Vicious was a literal retard.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905073)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:03 PM
Author: razzle pervert locus

Cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905078)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:02 PM
Author: submissive abode

Rotten had Public Image Ltd which was far superior to the Sex Pistols

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905074)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:02 PM
Author: Nubile Aromatic School

Public Image Ltd is pretty cr, faggit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905075)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:07 PM
Author: onyx concupiscible organic girlfriend haunted graveyard

listen guys i never heard this public image or whatever band so i stand by my post.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905098)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:27 PM
Author: razzle pervert locus

I'd say that he didn't have nearly as much fame with PiL as he did with the Sex Pistols

But they still put out some good music

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905286)



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Date: April 24th, 2018 12:14 AM
Author: flesh chest-beating background story goal in life



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35906078)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:04 PM
Author: mischievous hissy fit chapel

Cobain easily, give nirvana two more albums and he's not the "voice of a generation" they're just another grunge band

Morrison was basically done already when he died and Hendrix would have done at least a couple more cool things

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905081)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:05 PM
Author: Nubile Aromatic School

Cobain had future potential. He was actually talking about moving on from grunge before he offed himself.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905088)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:06 PM
Author: Bearded Degenerate Dilemma



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905091)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:09 PM
Author: mischievous hissy fit chapel

Sure, sure. It would have sucked

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905111)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:19 PM
Author: onyx concupiscible organic girlfriend haunted graveyard

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905206)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:07 PM
Author: Bearded Degenerate Dilemma

What about Bob Marley? He's revered as almost a religious, mystical figure thanks to his early death. Would he have turned into a boring old GC faggot later in life?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905102)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:14 PM
Author: Nubile Aromatic School

Naw. He died at 36 from natural causes. I think his popularity is based on a solid catalog of hits.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905151)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:21 PM
Author: Histrionic ungodly cuckold jewess

speaking of him, that's kind of what happened to robert johnson. going from a regional celebrity to some kind of "blues saint," in large part because he died young.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905224)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 11:34 PM
Author: Scarlet filthpig

Nah, reefer Bob was legit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905840)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:19 PM
Author: yellow fat ankles senate

Scott Weiland

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905202)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:29 PM
Author: razzle pervert locus

The Scott Weiland story is what would have happened to Kurt Cobain had he lived that long

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905295)



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Date: April 24th, 2018 12:13 AM
Author: Free-loading Chartreuse Point

cr. scott weiland would be held in far higher esteem had he not turned into an insufferable junkie twink

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35906073)



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Date: April 24th, 2018 12:08 AM
Author: twinkling coiffed alpha

The guy who sang la bamba

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35906044)



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Date: April 24th, 2018 12:10 AM
Author: Nubile Aromatic School

Richie Valens, already mentioned.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35906053)



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Date: April 24th, 2018 12:15 AM
Author: flesh chest-beating background story goal in life

Isaac Brock

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35906079)



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Date: April 24th, 2018 3:03 AM
Author: vigorous ebony blood rage

morrison is prolly most cr

but Elliott Smith is pretty close

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35906676)



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Date: April 24th, 2018 3:20 AM
Author: razzle pervert locus

My moniker is partly an homage to E. Smith but I don't really agree with him being a candidate for this thread. He hit a certain level of popularity in the early 2000s and just kinda maintained it. Didn't really increase it much posthumously IMO

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35906736)