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Biggest sign of lib mental illness: unqualified opposition to death penalty
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Date: May 19th, 2018 1:55 PM Author: khaki dog poop (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981254&forum_id=2#36084468) |
Date: May 19th, 2018 2:00 PM Author: Cobalt Arrogant Pit the weird thing is that this is not a traditional leftist position. especially far-leftists; maoists and commies always retained the death penalty for criminals, class-enemies, etc. death penalty opposition was mainly a religious thing, first from quakers and other protestant sects, and then from the vatican. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981254&forum_id=2#36084491) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 2:05 PM Author: dun clown twinkling uncleanness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981254&forum_id=2#36084515) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 2:07 PM Author: khaki dog poop which is a joke because the new testament explicitly says capital punishment is OK (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981254&forum_id=2#36084520) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 2:03 PM Author: narrow-minded doctorate Depends what “unqualified” means but given the current legal system this is the correct position. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981254&forum_id=2#36084504) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 2:05 PM Author: khaki dog poop There are people who would say the death penalty is wrong for a guy on video killing 4 girls and strangling a puppy corroborated with dna evidence and a signed confession and multiple eyewitnesses (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981254&forum_id=2#36084514) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 2:08 PM Author: narrow-minded doctorate Sure, but the moral question is different from the question of how to structure our legal system. I think libs mainly care about the latter tbh. That’s why you hear arguments of the form, “Yeah, I’d love to strangle him, but...” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981254&forum_id=2#36084527) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 2:10 PM Author: khaki dog poop i question the mental sanity of someone who would oppose executing the criminal in my hypo (i made it in such a way you cant question that the guy did it): i understand how a rational person can be pro-choice, want higher taxes, think gay marriage is ok and all that, but you're fucked in the head if you don't think some criminals deserve to die
i actually don't like lethal injection though, i think firing squad should be the default, lethal injection can go horribly wrong and is expensive but it is very rare something goes wrong with 5 bullets right to the heart |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 2:15 PM Author: narrow-minded doctorate Sure, but my point is that I don’t think liberals care about or (often) engage in that kind of hyper-abstract moral reasoning. For the woke footsoliders, concrete and often self-interested political theorizing about race, oppression, historical injustice, and so on is brought to the forefront. This is how you reach positions like “abort babies a month before they’re due” and “import hispanic immigrants so they’ll vote for us.” They don’t have a philosophical impulse. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981254&forum_id=2#36084555) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 2:18 PM Author: khaki dog poop if you don't think its a life until birth then the first hypo is justified and birth is a bright line; i actually think the pro-life argument is harder to make even though i think roe v wade is flame; even from a religious point of view there is far more support in the bible for allowing the death penalty than a ban on abortion
the second position is completely logical for dems because hispanics vote for democrats about 3:1
but see something like below i posted where 2 guys are caught on camera raping 3 women and burning their house to the ground while they were still alive and shitlibs on a supreme court saying no they get to live |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 2:22 PM Author: narrow-minded doctorate Read my post again. They don’t think of that death penalty case as an isolated freshman philosophy class thought experiment. They’re concerned about the practical and systemic effects.
The question of whether the death penalty is moral in a vacuum, in way you would like to pose the question, they do not regard as relevant. |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 2:24 PM Author: khaki dog poop gotcha but in my experience most libs i talk to do see it as a moral issue; they'll throw out the race and statistic stuff as a backup, but their primary arguments are "a life is a life" and "it's always wrong to kill" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981254&forum_id=2#36084610) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 2:27 PM Author: narrow-minded doctorate Ah, that’s a different breed of lib.
Tbh given the superficiality of the slogans I don’t think you should expect a coherent position from them. Most people lack the IQ to have even semi-reasonable positions on such issues. |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 2:21 PM Author: Gay native pocket flask i'm totally against the death penalty. it's not the state's duty to kill people. imprisonment is enough.
i'm down with fourth trimester abortions though! |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 2:04 PM Author: vivacious pervert They'll soon be suggesting it for racism. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981254&forum_id=2#36084508) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 2:12 PM Author: electric abode ape They rail against the DP in a totally mentally ill fashion, and even though I think the DP is justified in theory, opposition to it is one lib position I can more or less respect. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981254&forum_id=2#36084546) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 2:14 PM Author: khaki dog poop explain the morality of letting criminals who killed these people live
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheshire,_Connecticut,_home_invasion_murders
Late in the afternoon of Sunday, July 22, 2007, 48-year-old Jennifer Hawke-Petit and her 11-year-old daughter Michaela Petit went to a local grocery store in Cheshire, Connecticut. They picked up food for Jennifer's pre-birthday meal that Michaela planned to prepare for her. During their trip to the grocery store, they attracted the attention of Joshua Komisarjevsky, who followed them home.[6][7]
Shortly afterwards, Steven Hayes sent a text message to Komisarjevsky reading, "I'm chomping at the bit to get started. Need a margarita soon." Hayes then texted, "We still on?" Komisarjevsky replied, "Yes." Hayes' next text asked, "Soon?", to which Komisarjevsky replied: "I'm putting the kid to bed hold your horses". Hayes then wrote: "Dude, the horses want to get loose. LOL."[8][9]
Home invasion According to Hayes' confession, the two men had planned to rob the Petit house under cover of darkness, leaving the family bound but otherwise unharmed. Hayes attributed the outcome to a change of plan. Upon their arrival in the early hours of July 23, they found William Petit sleeping on a couch on the porch.[10] Komisarjevsky struck William on the head with a baseball bat found in the yard and then tied him up at gunpoint in the basement. The children and their mother were then bound and locked in their respective rooms.[1][11] Hayes said that he and Komisarjevsky were not satisfied with their haul, and that a bankbook was found which showed an available balance.
A gas station's video surveillance shows Hayes purchasing $10 worth of gasoline in two cans he had taken from the Petit home.[8] After returning to the house, and unloading the gas, he took Jennifer to the bank. The prosecution later claimed that this was evidence of premeditated murder.[12] Hayes convinced Jennifer to withdraw $15,000 from her line of credit when the bank opened.[1][11] Bank surveillance cameras captured the transaction which shows Jennifer Hawke-Petit, on the morning of July 23, as she informed the teller of her situation. The bank manager then called 911 and reported the details to police while Jennifer was still with the teller. The manager reported to the 911 dispatcher, in real time, as Jennifer left the bank and was picked up by Hayes, describing his clothing as he drove away with her. The manager stated that Jennifer had indicated the assailants were "being nice", and she believed they only wanted money.
The Cheshire police response to the bank's report began with assessing the situation and setting up a vehicle perimeter, without revealing their presence.[13][14] The police remained outside for more than half an hour, taking these preliminary measures, while the assailants were raping and murdering the women inside the house.[13] The police dawdled at the scene, and made no effort to make the assailants aware of their presence.[13]
During this time, Hayes and Komisarjevsky escalated the aggravated nature of their crimes: Komisarjevsky sexually assaulted the 11-year-old Michaela.[15][16] Komisarjevsky, who had photographed the sexual assault of the girl on his cell phone,[17] then allegedly provoked Hayes into raping Jennifer. While Hayes was raping her on the floor of the living room, Komisarjevsky entered the room and announced that William Petit had escaped. Hayes then strangled Jennifer and doused her lifeless body and parts of the house, including the daughters' rooms, with gasoline. While tied to their beds, both daughters were doused with gasoline and had their heads covered with pillowcases.[18] A fire was started, and Hayes and Komisarjevsky fled the scene. Hayley and Michaela both died of smoke inhalation.[19]
William Petit had been able to free himself, escape his confines, and call to a neighbor for help.[20] The neighbor indicated that he did not recognize Petit due to the severity of his injuries. In court testimony, William Petit stated that he felt a "jolt of adrenaline" coupled with a need to escape upon hearing one of the perpetrators state: "Don't worry, it's going to be all over in a couple of minutes." Petit then told the jury, "I thought, it's now or never because in my mind at that moment, I thought they were going to shoot all of us."[21]
Hayes and Komisarjevsky fled the scene using the Petit family car. They were immediately spotted by police surveillance, pursued, and arrested one block away.[14] The whole invasion lasted seven hours. |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 2:19 PM Author: electric abode ape We should have vigilante justice for this. No lawful death penalty would be sufficiently just dessert for them, in any case.
What would a lib say? I guess a reasonable lib would concede that they do deserve to die, but having the DP on the books would lead to too much injustice in other cases. |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 2:23 PM Author: khaki dog poop libs on the ct supreme court said it would've violated due process to kill these guys (ct abolished death penalty after they were sentenced but the law explicitly said anyone who had already been sentenced to death would still be executed) and commuted to life imprisonment (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981254&forum_id=2#36084601) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 2:25 PM Author: narrow-minded doctorate What were the due process concerns? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981254&forum_id=2#36084613) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 2:27 PM Author: khaki dog poop edited above to clarify
they were sentenced to die and exhausted appeals
ct subsequently abolished dp by statute but explicitly allowed those already sentenced to still be executed
they reargued you cant kill us because statute even though statute specifically addressed their case and said it was ok to execute people already executed in part because there was so much outrage from people that these criminals might not be executed and legislature wrote everything they could in bill to express intent current inmates still die
i think decision was 4-3 |
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Date: May 20th, 2018 7:12 AM Author: Bateful charcoal point Execute the judges, (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981254&forum_id=2#36089042) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 2:24 PM Author: narrow-minded doctorate The most lib position would be that justice shouldn’t have a punitive dimension and the death penalty doesn’t make society any safer than life imprisonment. Also concerns about state power. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981254&forum_id=2#36084605) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 2:26 PM Author: Very Tactful Base Boistinker You're right, the Petit's deserved to die. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981254&forum_id=2#36084619) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 2:30 PM Author: smoky windowlicker senate It's maddening how this plays out IRL.
Renaldo Chante Adams is a guy that conservatives should bring up more because libs 100% own what's happened in his case. You can read the details at the link I've provided below, but basiaclly he broke into somebody's home, held a pregnant woman at knifepoint and threatened to murder her if her husband didn't give him cash. Husband drove off to an ATM so Adams raped and then stabbed the woman to death. Adams doesn't dispute guilt, we know this guy did it.
The jury fucking got it right and sentenced this guy to death.
BUT, LUCKY ADAMS, Roper v. Simmons comes along and Adams gets his death penalty commuted to life without parole on a technicality-- he happened to be 17 when he committed the murders and therefore squeaked into the "minor" status that libs love so much.
That's bad enough, but then the shitlibs gave us the gift of Montgomery and Miller-- because of the same technicality, now we have to re sentence Adams because, you know, being a minor should magically insulate him from getting life without parole (jfc libs).
Now, hopefully local courts will do the right thing and keep this guy in prison forever, but god damn. Technically they can resentence him to LWOP but shitlibs are gunning for that too. He should have been a corpse years ago. The absolute minimum the state owes the family is the promise that he'll never leave prison again. Instead he'll get a parole hearing where, inevitably, after consulting his lawyer he'll say he feels really bad about it.
One more liberal SCOTUS justice and Adams will get a medal for giving the woman a free abortion.
https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/15-6289.html http://www.wsfa.com/story/31136022/horrific-murder-of-montgomery-mom-other-al-cases-impacted-by-new-ruling |
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Date: May 20th, 2018 7:13 AM Author: Bateful charcoal point Tyft (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981254&forum_id=2#36089044) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 2:31 PM Author: magenta indirect expression I don’t think you really thought this one through. Your particular beliefs on a highly contentious subject isn’t the greatest evidence of mental illness among a large portion of the country’s population. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981254&forum_id=2#36084648) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 2:33 PM Author: khaki dog poop there is something wrong with you if you say literally no one deserves to die; its really a fringe group, even people who are generally anti capital punishment will say people like bin laden, hitler, etc. deserve to die (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981254&forum_id=2#36084661) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 2:45 PM Author: magenta indirect expression There are lots of people who may deserve to die. There’s a lot more to the morality and legality of the death penalty than that, though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981254&forum_id=2#36084737) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 5:12 PM Author: narrow-minded doctorate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981254&forum_id=2#36085494) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 8:34 PM Author: Nubile lodge pozpig No there isn't. How old are you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981254&forum_id=2#36086604) |
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Date: May 20th, 2018 12:24 AM Author: khaki dog poop this is the libertarian bullshit people have rejected (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981254&forum_id=2#36088268) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 8:33 PM Author: Nubile lodge pozpig CR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981254&forum_id=2#36086596) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 2:48 PM Author: Flickering Mahogany Toaster Kitty Cat Isn't this the Catholic position as well? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981254&forum_id=2#36084760) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 2:51 PM Author: khaki dog poop Not a catholic but I think it’s country by country thing and it’s changed over time (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981254&forum_id=2#36084786) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 6:38 PM Author: flirting outnumbered tanning salon Like OP said, mental illness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981254&forum_id=2#36085890) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 6:46 PM Author: Dashing nibblets "Biggest" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981254&forum_id=2#36085938) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 6:48 PM Author: Federal range Given how many people are falsely convicted in capital cases, the retributionary benefits of death penalty don't seem worth executing innocents (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981254&forum_id=2#36085951) |
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Date: May 20th, 2018 7:14 AM Author: Bateful charcoal point Stfu you lib idiot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981254&forum_id=2#36089047) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 6:49 PM Author: Laughsome corner therapy Looked for Beckersted's poast on this but didn't see it. This is the Catholic position and it is defensible by a Conservative Catholic. Seamless garment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981254&forum_id=2#36085952) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 8:39 PM Author: peach sex offender No it's not, that's modernist revisionism. The catechism does say and has always said that execution can be acceptable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981254&forum_id=2#36086629) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 8:34 PM Author: Nubile lodge pozpig Uh no it isn't. Some people don't think it's the state's position to kill, under any circumstance, and there's nothing wrong with that just because you can't understand it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981254&forum_id=2#36086598) |
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Date: May 20th, 2018 12:23 AM Author: khaki dog poop so if the state should never "kill, under any circumstance" a police officer should not use a firearm to kill a bank robber in progress?
what do you actually mean |
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Date: May 20th, 2018 12:25 AM Author: curious chartreuse dingle berry lethal injection is cruel and unusual
death should be by beheading or hanging (historically consistent) |
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Date: May 20th, 2018 12:29 AM Author: khaki dog poop guillotine was pretty 180; but firing squad is more sellable (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981254&forum_id=2#36088300) |
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Date: May 20th, 2018 7:16 AM Author: Grizzly charismatic institution yuge conservahero here, have never voted for a dem/lib in my life and never will
OP is incredibly fucking retarded |