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Date: May 23rd, 2018 11:43 AM Author: cerebral maroon hospital becky
Does this worry or depress you?
You and your shrew have high IQ, study and strive, and your kid comes out as some 110 IQ spoiled shit head. How would you feel if this happened?
How does it make you feel to know it's statistically more likely than having a kid like yourself?
Before you reply that your 110 IQ kid will be a fratty jock, remember they'll still inherit your short stature, weak musculature, boyfriend grade penis, and forgettable facial aesthetics.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36111484) |
Date: May 23rd, 2018 11:50 AM Author: mauve ladyboy weed whacker
I see my role as parent as selfless. To do my best to provide each child with tools and opportunities to succeed and the confidence to take risks.
I don't really think a super high IQ is necessary to live a fulfilling life. I would not feel saddened at all in the likely case that either or both of my children has a roughly average IQ.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36111526) |
Date: May 23rd, 2018 12:03 PM Author: spruce stubborn den yarmulke
Doesn’t bother me in the least. Also, if anything, lower IQ people live happier lives.
Having children should not be an exercise in vanity.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36111607)
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 12:07 PM Author: cerebral maroon hospital becky
Vanity? You want your children to be happy and succeed, go on to have more of their own, not become reproductive dead ends.
The Low IQ = Happy meme is complete flame. The only happier dumb people are ones who have Down Syndrome because it messes with other parts of their brain. XO romanticizes prole life but many of those people are deeply unhappy, and they lack the resources to even try to improve their bad situation.
You notice all the smart people around you who are depressed/drunks/fucked up because they succeed at the margins despite those faults. Dumbs have the same exact issues and the outcomes are even more devastating.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36111636) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 12:47 PM Author: spruce stubborn den yarmulke
Don’t care about them having success or having grandchildren. Their happiness matters and success and money isn’t tied to that beyond a certain minimum. I’m there to help out with the money part so that reduces a lot of the stress associated with having no money.
IQ is hardly the downfall of proles. It’s mostly things like poor impulse control, poor emotional self regulation etc that result from having shitty genes and being in that sort of environment surrounded by people who make poor choices that leads to a lot of problems and unhappiness. Their IQ isn’t that important.
I worry a lot about mundane things (am I ruining oral hygiene by not brushing molars enough) and important things (how to encourage empathy and kindness), but IQ is not one of them. I do think about emotional IQ because how you interact with and understand people and yourself makes a big difference in life.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36111987)
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 3:01 PM Author: spruce stubborn den yarmulke
Nah my husband’s extended family is filled with low IQ proles. The ones who are fucked are those who do shit like buy a boat on credit, get into drug dealing, marry and divorce 3x before 30. There are a bunch who are cable repairmen or whatever with their fat wives and stupid children but otherwise lead normal happy lives.
In any case, none of this stuff is relevant to me or my kids anyway. Just hope my kids don’t be up being writers for slate.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36112978)
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 6:08 PM Author: spruce stubborn den yarmulke
Lol, I was thinking of Valen bragging about being a hot shot MD in BIGCOMPLIANCE, but all you Russians are the same. Your autism aside, you have a work ethic and practicality that is difficult to replicate in kids from non-commie country upbringings/cultures, and particularly in kids who grow up more privileged as yours will be.
I’m sure you and Mandy want to be hardasses, but your kids may not cooperate. You should be prepared for defeat since the older they get, the more they become their own person and the more their peers influence them and less you.
You should think about why you have a desire to have very successful children. Either you’re projecting onto them your own insecurities and want to feel good about yourself through their success or you’re afraid of feeling shame and blame yourself if they turn out to be losers. Taking the credit and the blame are both unhealthy and ignores the reality that your children are, first and foremost, their own persons, not extensions of you. I urge you to think of this before you have kids. Otherwise you will be severely frustrated when things don’t go as planned, and they never do.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36114281) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 3:32 PM Author: effete idea he suggested ticket booth
You are saying this (much like your comment yesterday about colleges) from the position of someone who went to an exceptional HS, an Ivy, a top LS, worked at top firms (at one time, anyway...), hit an absolute grand slam with an in-house job (from a fucking Indeed posting!), has a top 0.1% income, lives in what is a dream location for a lot of people, is happily married, and has 1.5 healthy children.
Don't discount what it's like to be on the outside looking in.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36113208) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 12:20 PM Author: swashbuckling sticky tank gas station
the kicker is I married high IQ so if the keed ends up kinda dumb, because I'm insecure, I will always attribute it to MY genes MY low IQ MY deficiencies
that's who I am as a person - I respect poasters who have the resolve to push past that but I'm going to have to be very intentional and do a lot of work to avoid projecting through over-action or under-action
I go to therapy for it and it kinda works - my top priority is the keed feels so much more loved than I did, second is they are curious, then maybe do whatever I can to nurture a desire to learn and understand things rather than just caring about achievement
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36111758) |
Date: May 23rd, 2018 12:13 PM Author: vivacious seedy halford jew
Lol at the supposedly high IQ (but obviously prole) losers ITT. There are plenty of 110 IQs in the upper class. As long as your kid is reading books, learning fratty life sports (golf, tennis, squash, sailing, skiing, etc.), and acting/dressing classy, they will be able to make it on their own. I would be more worried about having my kid develop into a 150 IQ aspie than a 110 IQ Chad. It's like the Hank Williams song "A Country Boy Can Survive":
We came from the country clubs
And Aspen and Palm Beach
And we can wax our skis, hit a backhand, hitch a bowline
Chad will survive, WASP folk can survive!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36111689) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 2:33 PM Author: aromatic bespoke sneaky criminal national
You can achieve a 100 median IQ for a population a number of different ways. In a scenario where the population is mixing somewhat randomly, a couple might be able to observe some sort of blended IQ in their own children that is lower than one partner but above another.
However, if the population mates in such a way that high IQ is partnering with high IQ and similarly the same is occurring for low IQ; across the population (assuming each couple has same # of kids) you'll still get a 100 median across the population as a whole, but within each couple's children the IQ will remain similar to those of the parents.
It's the whole fucking reason why you can bet money when Lavar Ball marries his athlete wife he winds up with pro-athletes. Same thing for Del Curry and his athlete wife (UVA volleyball) having pro athlete kids. Assortative mating is precisely how you develop and emphasize characteristics that are not commonly found through random mating. Oh look, two people who are super tall and can jump through the ceiling have kids that can do the same. Do you think they were worried that "regression to the mean" was going to mean their kids were somehow less inclined to be as athletic as they were?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36112794) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 6:20 PM Author: autistic sadistic electric furnace
But when you narrow the groups down further and further (from world IQ, to racial IQ, to family IQ) the mean to which the child may regress may in fact be similar to the high-IQ parents.
In other words, the high IQ parents may be outliers compared to the world population, but not to their families. In which case, you would expect less regression.
Now stop talking down to people as if you are the only person who can converse about this.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36114348) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 6:31 PM Author: Mentally Impaired Exhilarant Legal Warrant Heaven
Sorry, but there is imo some really severe ignorance on display in other posts.
It’s true that if I have perfect genetic information about both parents then I expect — handwaving here — a normal distribution of children’s IQ about parent mean IQ. But this is not the case with the hypo in the OP (unless everyone here is getting their genome sequenced).
Also, “family IQ” is not super relevant here. The parents’ genetic makeup is all that actually matters for the child. It’s true that if I give you progressively info about the parents I can predict their genetic contribution to IQ better. But again, this was not the situation in the OP, where the only facts given are that the parents are high IQ and we are otherwise operating under a veil of ignorance.
Further, if by high IQ we mean like 3 SD or above, it’s highly unlikely you can produce any amount of background info short of a direct genetic test that would make a reasonable person think regression won’t happen on average.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36114445) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 6:07 PM Author: Mentally Impaired Exhilarant Legal Warrant Heaven
I’m working under the assumption we have chosen two high IQ parents uniformly at random from the population and have no additional knowledge of their background or genetic makeup.
The point should still hold in your example though, because no group mean is +2SD in IQ or athletic ability or whatever.
No one is saying high IQ parents are more likely to produce sub-average IQ spawn, btw. Just closer to average but still above it.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36114278) |
Date: May 23rd, 2018 4:04 PM Author: diverse son of senegal
regression to the mean afflicts people whose parents are TTTs, so i'm not worried
3 of her 4 grandparents are smart as FUARK
but tbf i think having an iq like mine has significantly reduced my QOL because i'm never satisfied and feel like i should be doing more for the world with my talents, so i feel guilty a lot about just enjoying life
kid is pretty smart, though, but i think i'd only really be perturbed by a sub-110 IQ which is unlikely because german lutherans have on average over 110 IQ
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36113450) |
Date: May 23rd, 2018 6:13 PM Author: odious french theatre reading party
Your kids will be precisely the 115 IQ dunces we mock here.
"Correlation isn't causation!"
"Free speech but not freedom from consequences!"
"I love thienth!"
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36114307) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 6:37 PM Author: Histrionic kitchen philosopher-king
Her family = Ashkenazi Jews. Nuff said.
My dad = dumbest guy in a really smart family
My mom = smartest person in an otherwise dull family
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36114475) |
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