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Chill solo bro of mine: "I just bill $1000 a day then go home" (3 hours work)

He goes to his crossfit gym sometimes twice a day, lives a h...
idiotic trailer park
  05/25/18
sounds like a gunner
transparent gaping
  05/25/18
I try to bring $1K in fees in per day too.
chocolate trust fund pocket flask
  05/25/18
do you normally hit it?
Effete trump supporter alpha
  05/25/18
Yeah. I shoot for $30K in fees per month. So i'll go a coup...
chocolate trust fund pocket flask
  05/25/18
Keep in mind, too, you gotta BE THERE when the calls come in...
chocolate trust fund pocket flask
  05/25/18
For example, I had to talk w a doctor at 6 pm last night bec...
chocolate trust fund pocket flask
  05/25/18
PRactice saying this Beckersted, "Well, you need a la...
chocolate trust fund pocket flask
  05/25/18
Also practice asking for LOTS of Money from people. You hav...
chocolate trust fund pocket flask
  05/25/18
...
razzmatazz chrome sanctuary fat ankles
  05/25/18
do you do PI?
idiotic trailer park
  05/25/18
Thread title doesn't say "chill wagecuck kikelaw slave ...
Gold Mind-boggling Prole
  05/25/18
so when you subtract out the % of bills that never get paid ...
Fishy odious church nibblets
  05/25/18
Financially, but not spiritually
beady-eyed naked area
  05/25/18
...
vivacious pearly sex offender
  05/25/18
cr. Average 50% nonpayment of bills, minimum office rent $5K...
transparent gaping
  05/25/18
shitlaw secretaries don't make $5K month
Fishy odious church nibblets
  05/25/18
Payroll taxes, insurance, Obamacare,
transparent gaping
  05/25/18
they make $40k a year in salary and it's always 100% of sala...
costumed abode
  05/25/18
where i live they make 30-40K
Fishy odious church nibblets
  05/25/18
secretaries who get benefits...?
Comical whorehouse national security agency
  05/25/18
seriously. shitlaw places with like fewer than 5 attorneys u...
Fishy odious church nibblets
  05/25/18
also LOL at shitlaw/solos offering decent healthcare plans t...
Fishy odious church nibblets
  05/25/18
LJL at these numbers.
Comical whorehouse national security agency
  05/25/18
cr this is conservative. In a major metro it's double that e...
transparent gaping
  05/25/18
triple, quadruple even. I have a friend from law school who ...
Comical whorehouse national security agency
  05/25/18
Yep. And if you're not at a firm you can't negotiate a good ...
Slate haunting stag film yarmulke
  05/25/18
I would pay extra for a terminal tbh
transparent gaping
  05/25/18
in my jurisdiction the westlaw reps wont even talk to solos....
Comical whorehouse national security agency
  05/25/18
is this flame? Westlaw absolutely has small firm and solo pa...
idiotic trailer park
  05/25/18
Maybe in the 90s. They cut it out after affiliating with sol...
transparent gaping
  05/25/18
? https://legalsolutions.thomsonreuters.com/law-products/wes...
idiotic trailer park
  05/25/18
I know a recently-turned-solo who doesn't have a secretary, ...
Slate haunting stag film yarmulke
  05/25/18
cr. unless he is in some unique shitlaw practice where ever...
Provocative Piazza
  05/25/18
the dream! the impossible dream!
Fishy odious church nibblets
  05/25/18
can't you just take people to court for nonpayment, etc?
pea-brained legend twinkling uncleanness
  05/25/18
(guy who likes answering four or five baseless bar complaint...
chocolate trust fund pocket flask
  05/25/18
so you can throw MORE money into the black hole to get a use...
Fishy odious church nibblets
  05/25/18
and that's IF your state even allows you to do that for unpa...
Fishy odious church nibblets
  05/25/18
realistic outcome: you spend a bunch more time and get a pie...
Provocative Piazza
  05/25/18
...
chocolate trust fund pocket flask
  05/25/18
*files bankruptcy*
Provocative Piazza
  05/25/18
In my firm, realization was about 90%.
Lake big ticket booth
  05/25/18
flame
Provocative Piazza
  05/25/18
so he's billing ~$250k a year max given holidays/weekends/ti...
costumed abode
  05/25/18
yeah at least he'll be able to afford a good lawyer when he ...
puce incel stage
  05/25/18
what
idiotic trailer park
  05/25/18
1000 * ~250 working days a year is $250k in revenue assuming...
costumed abode
  05/25/18
I get that. but the "make the math work" part? ...
idiotic trailer park
  05/25/18
I mean it's nice that he has a trust fund but what good is t...
transparent gaping
  05/25/18
I invested in a start-up and their overhead costs is about $...
costumed abode
  05/25/18
Solo is absolutely the quality of life job
Vengeful Lodge
  05/25/18
A solo bro of mine says QOL is great but it's not good for r...
Aqua learning disabled space
  05/25/18
solos don't retire anyway
Fishy odious church nibblets
  05/25/18
Tt retired to Asia
bull headed mentally impaired foreskin cruise ship
  05/25/18
What does that mean?
Lake big ticket booth
  05/25/18
seems like flame/BS. nobody bills exactly 3 hrs a day and ha...
coiffed overrated hospital travel guidebook
  05/25/18
T&E. no artificial deadlines, just have to finish before...
transparent gaping
  05/25/18
he does trusts and estates work. Not a ton of court time and...
idiotic trailer park
  05/25/18
So he's poor?
diverse national french chef
  05/25/18


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Date: May 25th, 2018 10:46 AM
Author: idiotic trailer park

He goes to his crossfit gym sometimes twice a day, lives a half mile from his office, goes to 4:30 happy hours all the time, lake house on the weekend. Plays with his kid.

is this the credit solo life?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125332)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 10:47 AM
Author: transparent gaping

sounds like a gunner

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125338)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 10:49 AM
Author: chocolate trust fund pocket flask

I try to bring $1K in fees in per day too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125347)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 10:50 AM
Author: Effete trump supporter alpha

do you normally hit it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125358)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 10:59 AM
Author: chocolate trust fund pocket flask

Yeah. I shoot for $30K in fees per month. So i'll go a couple weeks w nothing, then BAM get $10K, then $4K, then $12K, etc. that's just day to day routine.

Then I'll have a couple monster cases stacked on top that push total fees in the half a million range for the year, if im doing things right.

Again, these cases are mostly FED to me, and Im not fronting any costs. I'm just a salaried guy--and we spend bucketloads on advertising.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125411)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 11:03 AM
Author: chocolate trust fund pocket flask

Keep in mind, too, you gotta BE THERE when the calls come in. You gotta be In The OFfice doing some Work. You cant just fuck around and stack the settlements. It's not like you have to work at a level 10 40 hours a week, but you have to be doing targeted goal oriented work at some low degree of intensity all the time anyway.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125444)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 11:05 AM
Author: chocolate trust fund pocket flask

For example, I had to talk w a doctor at 6 pm last night because that's when he gets off work. So I worked on a trial brief at the office at a relatively low level of intensity for several hours until 6 pm. And then I talked w the doctor. Who wont give me shit on causation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125452)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 11:08 AM
Author: chocolate trust fund pocket flask

PRactice saying this Beckersted,

"Well, you need a lawyer. There's no doubt about that. I hope you'll hire me. This is exactly the work I do and im good at it. But in any event, you need to get an attorney. if not me, then get someone."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125476)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 11:13 AM
Author: chocolate trust fund pocket flask

Also practice asking for LOTS of Money from people. You have to be able to do this on a case w no property damage, a tap to the bumper, and $40K in specials. You have to ask for $100K from a group of people (jury), some of whom are frowning, and you have to do it straight faced and somber as fuck.

You have to explain WHY $100K is a reasonable ask.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125513)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 1:30 PM
Author: razzmatazz chrome sanctuary fat ankles



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126520)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 1:31 PM
Author: idiotic trailer park

do you do PI?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126527)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:30 PM
Author: Gold Mind-boggling Prole

Thread title doesn't say "chill wagecuck kikelaw slave bro"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126093)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 10:54 AM
Author: Fishy odious church nibblets

so when you subtract out the % of bills that never get paid and the overhead expenses, he's basically poor as fuck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125375)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 10:56 AM
Author: beady-eyed naked area

Financially, but not spiritually

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125393)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 2:30 PM
Author: vivacious pearly sex offender



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126957)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 10:58 AM
Author: transparent gaping

cr. Average 50% nonpayment of bills, minimum office rent $5K a month, $5K a month to the secretary, $1K to Westlaw, copier rental fees, he is probably paying money to work

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125401)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 11:08 AM
Author: Fishy odious church nibblets

shitlaw secretaries don't make $5K month

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125478)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 11:14 AM
Author: transparent gaping

Payroll taxes, insurance, Obamacare,

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125520)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:08 PM
Author: costumed abode

they make $40k a year in salary and it's always 100% of salary as additional total cost in terms of benefits, full time healthcare, etc.

We just hired someone for $60k and his total cost to firm is $120k.

There's a reason every Fortune 1000 company outsources to China and Mexico for labor. Even paying the same salary you save 50% from healthcare.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125953)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:36 PM
Author: Fishy odious church nibblets

where i live they make 30-40K

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126129)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:36 PM
Author: Comical whorehouse national security agency

secretaries who get benefits...?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126131)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:38 PM
Author: Fishy odious church nibblets

seriously. shitlaw places with like fewer than 5 attorneys usually don't even offer 401K to the attorneys, let alone the fucking secretaries

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126139)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:37 PM
Author: Fishy odious church nibblets

also LOL at shitlaw/solos offering decent healthcare plans to their secretaries. a lot don't offer anything at all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126135)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:35 PM
Author: Comical whorehouse national security agency

LJL at these numbers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126123)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:37 PM
Author: transparent gaping

cr this is conservative. In a major metro it's double that easily

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126134)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:38 PM
Author: Comical whorehouse national security agency

triple, quadruple even. I have a friend from law school who pays 18k/mo and works out of a converted public restroom. They called them "micro-offices" but you can tell they were just the stalls.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126138)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:41 PM
Author: Slate haunting stag film yarmulke

Yep. And if you're not at a firm you can't negotiate a good rate with westlaw. The best you can do is a $1k a month and you have to have a westlaw terminal in your office. It's $1,500 if you want login credentials that you can use on any device.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126163)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:45 PM
Author: transparent gaping

I would pay extra for a terminal tbh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126182)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:49 PM
Author: Comical whorehouse national security agency

in my jurisdiction the westlaw reps wont even talk to solos. a solo guy I know tried to get a meeting by pretending to work for a mid-sized firm. the westlaw rep reported him to the bar when he found out. I never heard what came of it, so it was probably just a private reprimand or something.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126208)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 1:00 PM
Author: idiotic trailer park

is this flame? Westlaw absolutely has small firm and solo packages that cost a few hundred bucks a month, and they always negotiate. Lexis is even cheaper

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126291)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 2:52 PM
Author: transparent gaping

Maybe in the 90s. They cut it out after affiliating with solos was tarnishing the westlaw brand.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36127105)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 2:57 PM
Author: idiotic trailer park

? https://legalsolutions.thomsonreuters.com/law-products/westlaw-legal-research/small-law-firms

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36127145)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:39 PM
Author: Slate haunting stag film yarmulke

I know a recently-turned-solo who doesn't have a secretary, pays $2k a month in rent, and maybe a few hundred a month for other office expenses (software, copier, westlaw).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126149)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 10:59 AM
Author: Provocative Piazza

cr. unless he is in some unique shitlaw practice where everyone pays 100% of their bill.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125407)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 11:09 AM
Author: Fishy odious church nibblets

the dream! the impossible dream!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125480)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:38 PM
Author: pea-brained legend twinkling uncleanness

can't you just take people to court for nonpayment, etc?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126137)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:39 PM
Author: chocolate trust fund pocket flask

(guy who likes answering four or five baseless bar complaints per year)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126150)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:40 PM
Author: Fishy odious church nibblets

so you can throw MORE money into the black hole to get a useless piece of paper "money judgment"? and then even MORE money into the black hole to try to garnish them but then they OOPS! switch jobs and you're back to square one with that shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126152)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:42 PM
Author: Fishy odious church nibblets

and that's IF your state even allows you to do that for unpaid atty fees

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126170)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 2:25 PM
Author: Provocative Piazza

realistic outcome: you spend a bunch more time and get a piece of paper that says a person owes you money and garnish their pay in very small increments. You also now have an ethics investigation, malpractice suit and higher malpractice insurance premium.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126931)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 2:53 PM
Author: chocolate trust fund pocket flask



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36127109)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 2:54 PM
Author: Provocative Piazza

*files bankruptcy*



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36127118)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 4:14 PM
Author: Lake big ticket booth

In my firm, realization was about 90%.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36127619)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 10:59 AM
Author: Provocative Piazza

flame

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125404)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:05 PM
Author: costumed abode

so he's billing ~$250k a year max given holidays/weekends/time off/etc.

Total 2018 Calendar Year Working Days 261

Plus count all his expenses.

He needs to bill $3000 per weekday to make the math work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125939)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:08 PM
Author: puce incel stage

yeah at least he'll be able to afford a good lawyer when he gets got for child abuse

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125956)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:21 PM
Author: idiotic trailer park

what

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126052)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:30 PM
Author: costumed abode

1000 * ~250 working days a year is $250k in revenue assuming 100% payment and excluding all costs i.e. rent.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126095)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:55 PM
Author: idiotic trailer park

I get that. but the "make the math work" part?

He works 3 hours a day. He loves it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126252)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:58 PM
Author: transparent gaping

I mean it's nice that he has a trust fund but what good is that for the rest of us

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126277)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:58 PM
Author: costumed abode

I invested in a start-up and their overhead costs is about $300k total and that includes $0 pay to CEO, rent costs, 2 lowly paid employees, one plane ticket and one hotel a month, office supplies, other ad-hoc business costs, etc.

You need to work 9 hours a day and bill $3,000 a weekday to sustain a decent biz.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126280)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:39 PM
Author: Vengeful Lodge

Solo is absolutely the quality of life job

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126142)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:43 PM
Author: Aqua learning disabled space

A solo bro of mine says QOL is great but it's not good for retirement planning.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126174)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:45 PM
Author: Fishy odious church nibblets

solos don't retire anyway

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126186)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:51 PM
Author: bull headed mentally impaired foreskin cruise ship

Tt retired to Asia

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126221)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 10:08 PM
Author: Lake big ticket booth

What does that mean?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36129481)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 3:16 PM
Author: coiffed overrated hospital travel guidebook

seems like flame/BS. nobody bills exactly 3 hrs a day and has steady work that provides exactly 3 hrs a day and never slows down to 0 and never requires longer days.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36127248)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 4:10 PM
Author: transparent gaping

T&E. no artificial deadlines, just have to finish before the client croaks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36127592)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 4:17 PM
Author: idiotic trailer park

he does trusts and estates work. Not a ton of court time and the court stuff he does is mostly non-confrontational easy stuff.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36127644)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 7:19 PM
Author: diverse national french chef

So he's poor?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36128719)