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Chill solo bro of mine: "I just bill $1000 a day then go home" (3 hours work)

He goes to his crossfit gym sometimes twice a day, lives a h...
Naked center boiling water
  05/25/18
sounds like a gunner
federal sickened degenerate
  05/25/18
I try to bring $1K in fees in per day too.
amethyst marvelous potus useless brakes
  05/25/18
do you normally hit it?
Jet talented immigrant
  05/25/18
Yeah. I shoot for $30K in fees per month. So i'll go a coup...
amethyst marvelous potus useless brakes
  05/25/18
Keep in mind, too, you gotta BE THERE when the calls come in...
amethyst marvelous potus useless brakes
  05/25/18
For example, I had to talk w a doctor at 6 pm last night bec...
amethyst marvelous potus useless brakes
  05/25/18
PRactice saying this Beckersted, "Well, you need a la...
amethyst marvelous potus useless brakes
  05/25/18
Also practice asking for LOTS of Money from people. You hav...
amethyst marvelous potus useless brakes
  05/25/18
...
Crystalline electric international law enforcement agency
  05/25/18
do you do PI?
Naked center boiling water
  05/25/18
Thread title doesn't say "chill wagecuck kikelaw slave ...
Cyan irradiated hominid corner
  05/25/18
so when you subtract out the % of bills that never get paid ...
diverse primrose theater stage friendly grandma
  05/25/18
Financially, but not spiritually
adulterous adventurous stock car sweet tailpipe
  05/25/18
...
Motley carnelian cumskin people who are hurt
  05/25/18
cr. Average 50% nonpayment of bills, minimum office rent $5K...
federal sickened degenerate
  05/25/18
shitlaw secretaries don't make $5K month
diverse primrose theater stage friendly grandma
  05/25/18
Payroll taxes, insurance, Obamacare,
federal sickened degenerate
  05/25/18
they make $40k a year in salary and it's always 100% of sala...
Autistic chrome foreskin
  05/25/18
where i live they make 30-40K
diverse primrose theater stage friendly grandma
  05/25/18
secretaries who get benefits...?
Floppy dilemma hairy legs
  05/25/18
seriously. shitlaw places with like fewer than 5 attorneys u...
diverse primrose theater stage friendly grandma
  05/25/18
also LOL at shitlaw/solos offering decent healthcare plans t...
diverse primrose theater stage friendly grandma
  05/25/18
LJL at these numbers.
Floppy dilemma hairy legs
  05/25/18
cr this is conservative. In a major metro it's double that e...
federal sickened degenerate
  05/25/18
triple, quadruple even. I have a friend from law school who ...
Floppy dilemma hairy legs
  05/25/18
Yep. And if you're not at a firm you can't negotiate a good ...
Magical tanning salon roast beef
  05/25/18
I would pay extra for a terminal tbh
federal sickened degenerate
  05/25/18
in my jurisdiction the westlaw reps wont even talk to solos....
Floppy dilemma hairy legs
  05/25/18
is this flame? Westlaw absolutely has small firm and solo pa...
Naked center boiling water
  05/25/18
Maybe in the 90s. They cut it out after affiliating with sol...
federal sickened degenerate
  05/25/18
? https://legalsolutions.thomsonreuters.com/law-products/wes...
Naked center boiling water
  05/25/18
I know a recently-turned-solo who doesn't have a secretary, ...
Magical tanning salon roast beef
  05/25/18
cr. unless he is in some unique shitlaw practice where ever...
bearded ceo pozpig
  05/25/18
the dream! the impossible dream!
diverse primrose theater stage friendly grandma
  05/25/18
can't you just take people to court for nonpayment, etc?
supple deer antler business firm
  05/25/18
(guy who likes answering four or five baseless bar complaint...
amethyst marvelous potus useless brakes
  05/25/18
so you can throw MORE money into the black hole to get a use...
diverse primrose theater stage friendly grandma
  05/25/18
and that's IF your state even allows you to do that for unpa...
diverse primrose theater stage friendly grandma
  05/25/18
realistic outcome: you spend a bunch more time and get a pie...
bearded ceo pozpig
  05/25/18
...
amethyst marvelous potus useless brakes
  05/25/18
*files bankruptcy*
bearded ceo pozpig
  05/25/18
In my firm, realization was about 90%.
Pearl rehab giraffe
  05/25/18
flame
bearded ceo pozpig
  05/25/18
so he's billing ~$250k a year max given holidays/weekends/ti...
Autistic chrome foreskin
  05/25/18
yeah at least he'll be able to afford a good lawyer when he ...
poppy mother
  05/25/18
what
Naked center boiling water
  05/25/18
1000 * ~250 working days a year is $250k in revenue assuming...
Autistic chrome foreskin
  05/25/18
I get that. but the "make the math work" part? ...
Naked center boiling water
  05/25/18
I mean it's nice that he has a trust fund but what good is t...
federal sickened degenerate
  05/25/18
I invested in a start-up and their overhead costs is about $...
Autistic chrome foreskin
  05/25/18
Solo is absolutely the quality of life job
passionate therapy
  05/25/18
A solo bro of mine says QOL is great but it's not good for r...
bisexual stirring stead
  05/25/18
solos don't retire anyway
diverse primrose theater stage friendly grandma
  05/25/18
Tt retired to Asia
citrine zombie-like cuckold field
  05/25/18
What does that mean?
Pearl rehab giraffe
  05/25/18
seems like flame/BS. nobody bills exactly 3 hrs a day and ha...
stubborn state
  05/25/18
T&E. no artificial deadlines, just have to finish before...
federal sickened degenerate
  05/25/18
he does trusts and estates work. Not a ton of court time and...
Naked center boiling water
  05/25/18
So he's poor?
Claret Knife Marketing Idea
  05/25/18


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Date: May 25th, 2018 10:46 AM
Author: Naked center boiling water

He goes to his crossfit gym sometimes twice a day, lives a half mile from his office, goes to 4:30 happy hours all the time, lake house on the weekend. Plays with his kid.

is this the credit solo life?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125332)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 10:47 AM
Author: federal sickened degenerate

sounds like a gunner

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125338)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 10:49 AM
Author: amethyst marvelous potus useless brakes

I try to bring $1K in fees in per day too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125347)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 10:50 AM
Author: Jet talented immigrant

do you normally hit it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125358)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 10:59 AM
Author: amethyst marvelous potus useless brakes

Yeah. I shoot for $30K in fees per month. So i'll go a couple weeks w nothing, then BAM get $10K, then $4K, then $12K, etc. that's just day to day routine.

Then I'll have a couple monster cases stacked on top that push total fees in the half a million range for the year, if im doing things right.

Again, these cases are mostly FED to me, and Im not fronting any costs. I'm just a salaried guy--and we spend bucketloads on advertising.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125411)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 11:03 AM
Author: amethyst marvelous potus useless brakes

Keep in mind, too, you gotta BE THERE when the calls come in. You gotta be In The OFfice doing some Work. You cant just fuck around and stack the settlements. It's not like you have to work at a level 10 40 hours a week, but you have to be doing targeted goal oriented work at some low degree of intensity all the time anyway.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125444)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 11:05 AM
Author: amethyst marvelous potus useless brakes

For example, I had to talk w a doctor at 6 pm last night because that's when he gets off work. So I worked on a trial brief at the office at a relatively low level of intensity for several hours until 6 pm. And then I talked w the doctor. Who wont give me shit on causation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125452)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 11:08 AM
Author: amethyst marvelous potus useless brakes

PRactice saying this Beckersted,

"Well, you need a lawyer. There's no doubt about that. I hope you'll hire me. This is exactly the work I do and im good at it. But in any event, you need to get an attorney. if not me, then get someone."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125476)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 11:13 AM
Author: amethyst marvelous potus useless brakes

Also practice asking for LOTS of Money from people. You have to be able to do this on a case w no property damage, a tap to the bumper, and $40K in specials. You have to ask for $100K from a group of people (jury), some of whom are frowning, and you have to do it straight faced and somber as fuck.

You have to explain WHY $100K is a reasonable ask.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125513)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 1:30 PM
Author: Crystalline electric international law enforcement agency



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126520)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 1:31 PM
Author: Naked center boiling water

do you do PI?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126527)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:30 PM
Author: Cyan irradiated hominid corner

Thread title doesn't say "chill wagecuck kikelaw slave bro"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126093)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 10:54 AM
Author: diverse primrose theater stage friendly grandma

so when you subtract out the % of bills that never get paid and the overhead expenses, he's basically poor as fuck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125375)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 10:56 AM
Author: adulterous adventurous stock car sweet tailpipe

Financially, but not spiritually

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125393)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 2:30 PM
Author: Motley carnelian cumskin people who are hurt



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126957)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 10:58 AM
Author: federal sickened degenerate

cr. Average 50% nonpayment of bills, minimum office rent $5K a month, $5K a month to the secretary, $1K to Westlaw, copier rental fees, he is probably paying money to work

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125401)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 11:08 AM
Author: diverse primrose theater stage friendly grandma

shitlaw secretaries don't make $5K month

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125478)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 11:14 AM
Author: federal sickened degenerate

Payroll taxes, insurance, Obamacare,

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125520)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:08 PM
Author: Autistic chrome foreskin

they make $40k a year in salary and it's always 100% of salary as additional total cost in terms of benefits, full time healthcare, etc.

We just hired someone for $60k and his total cost to firm is $120k.

There's a reason every Fortune 1000 company outsources to China and Mexico for labor. Even paying the same salary you save 50% from healthcare.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125953)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:36 PM
Author: diverse primrose theater stage friendly grandma

where i live they make 30-40K

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126129)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:36 PM
Author: Floppy dilemma hairy legs

secretaries who get benefits...?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126131)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:38 PM
Author: diverse primrose theater stage friendly grandma

seriously. shitlaw places with like fewer than 5 attorneys usually don't even offer 401K to the attorneys, let alone the fucking secretaries

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126139)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:37 PM
Author: diverse primrose theater stage friendly grandma

also LOL at shitlaw/solos offering decent healthcare plans to their secretaries. a lot don't offer anything at all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126135)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:35 PM
Author: Floppy dilemma hairy legs

LJL at these numbers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126123)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:37 PM
Author: federal sickened degenerate

cr this is conservative. In a major metro it's double that easily

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126134)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:38 PM
Author: Floppy dilemma hairy legs

triple, quadruple even. I have a friend from law school who pays 18k/mo and works out of a converted public restroom. They called them "micro-offices" but you can tell they were just the stalls.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126138)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:41 PM
Author: Magical tanning salon roast beef

Yep. And if you're not at a firm you can't negotiate a good rate with westlaw. The best you can do is a $1k a month and you have to have a westlaw terminal in your office. It's $1,500 if you want login credentials that you can use on any device.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126163)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:45 PM
Author: federal sickened degenerate

I would pay extra for a terminal tbh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126182)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:49 PM
Author: Floppy dilemma hairy legs

in my jurisdiction the westlaw reps wont even talk to solos. a solo guy I know tried to get a meeting by pretending to work for a mid-sized firm. the westlaw rep reported him to the bar when he found out. I never heard what came of it, so it was probably just a private reprimand or something.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126208)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 1:00 PM
Author: Naked center boiling water

is this flame? Westlaw absolutely has small firm and solo packages that cost a few hundred bucks a month, and they always negotiate. Lexis is even cheaper

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126291)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 2:52 PM
Author: federal sickened degenerate

Maybe in the 90s. They cut it out after affiliating with solos was tarnishing the westlaw brand.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36127105)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 2:57 PM
Author: Naked center boiling water

? https://legalsolutions.thomsonreuters.com/law-products/westlaw-legal-research/small-law-firms

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36127145)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:39 PM
Author: Magical tanning salon roast beef

I know a recently-turned-solo who doesn't have a secretary, pays $2k a month in rent, and maybe a few hundred a month for other office expenses (software, copier, westlaw).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126149)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 10:59 AM
Author: bearded ceo pozpig

cr. unless he is in some unique shitlaw practice where everyone pays 100% of their bill.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125407)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 11:09 AM
Author: diverse primrose theater stage friendly grandma

the dream! the impossible dream!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125480)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:38 PM
Author: supple deer antler business firm

can't you just take people to court for nonpayment, etc?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126137)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:39 PM
Author: amethyst marvelous potus useless brakes

(guy who likes answering four or five baseless bar complaints per year)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126150)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:40 PM
Author: diverse primrose theater stage friendly grandma

so you can throw MORE money into the black hole to get a useless piece of paper "money judgment"? and then even MORE money into the black hole to try to garnish them but then they OOPS! switch jobs and you're back to square one with that shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126152)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:42 PM
Author: diverse primrose theater stage friendly grandma

and that's IF your state even allows you to do that for unpaid atty fees

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126170)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 2:25 PM
Author: bearded ceo pozpig

realistic outcome: you spend a bunch more time and get a piece of paper that says a person owes you money and garnish their pay in very small increments. You also now have an ethics investigation, malpractice suit and higher malpractice insurance premium.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126931)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 2:53 PM
Author: amethyst marvelous potus useless brakes



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36127109)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 2:54 PM
Author: bearded ceo pozpig

*files bankruptcy*



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36127118)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 4:14 PM
Author: Pearl rehab giraffe

In my firm, realization was about 90%.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36127619)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 10:59 AM
Author: bearded ceo pozpig

flame

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125404)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:05 PM
Author: Autistic chrome foreskin

so he's billing ~$250k a year max given holidays/weekends/time off/etc.

Total 2018 Calendar Year Working Days 261

Plus count all his expenses.

He needs to bill $3000 per weekday to make the math work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125939)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:08 PM
Author: poppy mother

yeah at least he'll be able to afford a good lawyer when he gets got for child abuse

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125956)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:21 PM
Author: Naked center boiling water

what

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126052)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:30 PM
Author: Autistic chrome foreskin

1000 * ~250 working days a year is $250k in revenue assuming 100% payment and excluding all costs i.e. rent.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126095)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:55 PM
Author: Naked center boiling water

I get that. but the "make the math work" part?

He works 3 hours a day. He loves it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126252)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:58 PM
Author: federal sickened degenerate

I mean it's nice that he has a trust fund but what good is that for the rest of us

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126277)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:58 PM
Author: Autistic chrome foreskin

I invested in a start-up and their overhead costs is about $300k total and that includes $0 pay to CEO, rent costs, 2 lowly paid employees, one plane ticket and one hotel a month, office supplies, other ad-hoc business costs, etc.

You need to work 9 hours a day and bill $3,000 a weekday to sustain a decent biz.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126280)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:39 PM
Author: passionate therapy

Solo is absolutely the quality of life job

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126142)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:43 PM
Author: bisexual stirring stead

A solo bro of mine says QOL is great but it's not good for retirement planning.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126174)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:45 PM
Author: diverse primrose theater stage friendly grandma

solos don't retire anyway

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126186)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:51 PM
Author: citrine zombie-like cuckold field

Tt retired to Asia

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126221)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 10:08 PM
Author: Pearl rehab giraffe

What does that mean?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36129481)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 3:16 PM
Author: stubborn state

seems like flame/BS. nobody bills exactly 3 hrs a day and has steady work that provides exactly 3 hrs a day and never slows down to 0 and never requires longer days.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36127248)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 4:10 PM
Author: federal sickened degenerate

T&E. no artificial deadlines, just have to finish before the client croaks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36127592)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 4:17 PM
Author: Naked center boiling water

he does trusts and estates work. Not a ton of court time and the court stuff he does is mostly non-confrontational easy stuff.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36127644)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 7:19 PM
Author: Claret Knife Marketing Idea

So he's poor?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36128719)