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Five Guys is better than Shake Shack

I dare anyone to challenge me on this
walnut racy twinkling uncleanness sanctuary
  05/26/18
*the*
irradiated bipolar stage
  05/27/18
But "in NYC."
Chrome stirring pit
  05/30/18
Smashburger shits on both
electric citrine alpha
  05/26/18
It’s alright.
walnut racy twinkling uncleanness sanctuary
  05/26/18
Crrrrrr
Soul-stirring startling locale
  05/26/18
Wendys and Smashburger both.
Indigo abode preventive strike
  05/26/18
The Pub Triple Double that Smashburger has as a limited time...
Floppy Puppy Shrine
  05/26/18
Burgers at shake shack are better. 5 guys has far superior f...
Mint massive bawdyhouse international law enforcement agency
  05/26/18
The fries are 180
walnut racy twinkling uncleanness sanctuary
  05/26/18
Better fries for sure, but 5 Guys burgers are incredible gre...
vivacious milky scourge upon the earth bbw
  05/26/18
Grease is the keyword here. That’s why they’re better
walnut racy twinkling uncleanness sanctuary
  05/26/18
Yeah grease is good
Mint massive bawdyhouse international law enforcement agency
  05/26/18
(Gordon Fatso)
stimulating violent affirmative action
  05/26/18
...
Mint massive bawdyhouse international law enforcement agency
  05/26/18
...
Thriller ebony prole
  05/30/18
It's too much grease.
vivacious milky scourge upon the earth bbw
  05/26/18
Dat too many greases
Mint massive bawdyhouse international law enforcement agency
  05/26/18
...
Godawful Deer Antler
  05/26/18
...
vivacious milky scourge upon the earth bbw
  05/26/18
Thath too much greathe, he lisped
walnut racy twinkling uncleanness sanctuary
  05/26/18
you have to grease up good for 5 guys
Ivory Passionate Ticket Booth Mexican
  05/27/18
cr. 5 guys burgers are 180.
costumed mediation
  05/26/18
5 guys has better fries but the Shake Stack is 180
razzle-dazzle mahogany goyim spot
  05/26/18
Better fries, yes. I will concede Shake Shack has better mil...
walnut racy twinkling uncleanness sanctuary
  05/26/18
In and Out styles over both
outnumbered chapel wagecucks
  05/26/18
I haven’t tried it, but highly doubtful.
walnut racy twinkling uncleanness sanctuary
  05/26/18
By a country mile
outnumbered chapel wagecucks
  05/26/18
It does.
Crimson corn cake
  05/26/18
(Gookfucker)
Godawful Deer Antler
  05/26/18
NYCmo here, I completely agree.
maniacal set
  05/26/18
In and Out is horrible.
Provocative primrose brunch new version
  05/26/18
(literal retard)
maniacal set
  05/27/18
...
Crimson corn cake
  05/27/18
(Brain damaged Californiamo)
Provocative primrose brunch new version
  05/27/18
...
cruel-hearted genital piercing cuckoldry
  05/28/18
Cr
Mind-boggling Very Tactful Resort
  05/28/18
...
nighttime toaster
  05/30/18
In n out is a different kind of burger
Adventurous yellow boiling water sound barrier
  05/27/18
It's a much better value, but I don't think it beats either ...
Chrome stirring pit
  05/27/18
Beats Five Guys for sure. Shake Shack is a closer call.
Crimson corn cake
  05/27/18
In and out haa terrible fries
Cream diverse crackhouse
  05/27/18
well done in n out fries + animal sauce is 180 billion
Iridescent Hairraiser Temple
  05/28/18
back to reddit faggot
cruel-hearted genital piercing cuckoldry
  05/28/18
this doesn't even make sense pumos are braindead spamtards
Iridescent Hairraiser Temple
  05/28/18
I'm not sure what you're getting at here.
Chrome stirring pit
  05/28/18
Cr. Better than In n Out too
ungodly mental disorder
  05/26/18
RAN here
self-centered dark property
  05/26/18
I've maintained this, that Five Guys makes the best burger. ...
talented bearded telephone address
  05/26/18
Have you actually had other burgers and slices. Next I'm...
electric citrine alpha
  05/26/18
lol
Mint massive bawdyhouse international law enforcement agency
  05/26/18
Five Guys beef isn't very good, the patty always crumbles ap...
Crimson corn cake
  05/27/18
The sogginess objection is fair. But I think I'd largely bla...
Chrome stirring pit
  05/28/18
My bun is never soggy. Stop ordering tomatoes on your burger...
walnut racy twinkling uncleanness sanctuary
  05/30/18
Tomatoes are produce with a huge range of quality and a rath...
Chrome stirring pit
  05/30/18
Cr
walnut racy twinkling uncleanness sanctuary
  05/30/18
twist: they all suck
Vibrant theater
  05/26/18
Yes
Disturbing histrionic partner boltzmann
  05/27/18
Five Goys
exhilarant lodge legal warrant
  05/27/18
...
sadistic forum
  05/27/18
...
Bronze Stag Film
  05/27/18
Where does fatburger fit in here
Adventurous yellow boiling water sound barrier
  05/27/18
I prefer Shake Shack, but I don't prefer it's higher prices.
Chrome stirring pit
  05/27/18
You gay fast-food niggers need to shut the fuck up about thi...
Lake multi-colored house
  05/27/18
Wendys 4 for 4 shits on both. Plus 50 cent Frostys this summ...
Crusty Stage
  05/27/18
ITT: Elites Checkers/Rally's has the best burger when con...
Bronze Stag Film
  05/27/18
ITT: posters pretend chains have better burgers than local b...
Galvanic associate
  05/28/18
Why would posters spread across the country talk about local...
Chrome stirring pit
  05/28/18
...
walnut racy twinkling uncleanness sanctuary
  05/30/18
lmao. he is so painfully stupid and bad at poasting, it's hi...
Jet-lagged aggressive ratface library
  05/30/18
Honestly a lot of local places near me are meh compared to f...
walnut racy twinkling uncleanness sanctuary
  05/30/18
I prefer Whataburger, tbh.
Supple insane queen of the night marketing idea
  05/28/18
The best thing at both restaurants is Shake Shack's fried ch...
Territorial dashing immigrant
  05/30/18
The chicken sandwich is good and better than chick-fil-a.
walnut racy twinkling uncleanness sanctuary
  05/30/18
yeah agreed, and that's not a knock on chick-fil-a which is ...
Territorial dashing immigrant
  05/30/18
Agreed. Last time I was at SS I wanted to order onion rings,...
walnut racy twinkling uncleanness sanctuary
  05/30/18


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Date: May 26th, 2018 7:53 PM
Author: walnut racy twinkling uncleanness sanctuary

I dare anyone to challenge me on this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36133270)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 12:03 PM
Author: irradiated bipolar stage

*the*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36135690)



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Date: May 30th, 2018 12:23 PM
Author: Chrome stirring pit

But "in NYC."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36151842)



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Date: May 26th, 2018 7:54 PM
Author: electric citrine alpha

Smashburger shits on both

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36133273)



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Date: May 26th, 2018 7:56 PM
Author: walnut racy twinkling uncleanness sanctuary

It’s alright.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36133287)



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Date: May 26th, 2018 7:56 PM
Author: Soul-stirring startling locale

Crrrrrr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36133290)



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Date: May 26th, 2018 8:00 PM
Author: Indigo abode preventive strike

Wendys and Smashburger both.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36133308)



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Date: May 26th, 2018 11:25 PM
Author: Floppy Puppy Shrine

The Pub Triple Double that Smashburger has as a limited time item right now is awesome. The pretzel roll they use on it is fantastic

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36134143)



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Date: May 26th, 2018 7:54 PM
Author: Mint massive bawdyhouse international law enforcement agency

Burgers at shake shack are better. 5 guys has far superior fries tho. And shake shack is way overpriced

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36133277)



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Date: May 26th, 2018 7:56 PM
Author: walnut racy twinkling uncleanness sanctuary

The fries are 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36133283)



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Date: May 26th, 2018 7:55 PM
Author: vivacious milky scourge upon the earth bbw

Better fries for sure, but 5 Guys burgers are incredible grease bombs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36133278)



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Date: May 26th, 2018 7:55 PM
Author: walnut racy twinkling uncleanness sanctuary

Grease is the keyword here. That’s why they’re better

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36133282)



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Date: May 26th, 2018 7:56 PM
Author: Mint massive bawdyhouse international law enforcement agency

Yeah grease is good

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36133285)



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Date: May 26th, 2018 8:18 PM
Author: stimulating violent affirmative action

(Gordon Fatso)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36133373)



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Date: May 26th, 2018 8:34 PM
Author: Mint massive bawdyhouse international law enforcement agency



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36133417)



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Date: May 30th, 2018 2:58 PM
Author: Thriller ebony prole



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36152900)



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Date: May 26th, 2018 7:56 PM
Author: vivacious milky scourge upon the earth bbw

It's too much grease.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36133288)



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Date: May 26th, 2018 7:57 PM
Author: Mint massive bawdyhouse international law enforcement agency

Dat too many greases

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36133294)



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Date: May 26th, 2018 7:59 PM
Author: Godawful Deer Antler



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36133302)



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Date: May 26th, 2018 8:05 PM
Author: vivacious milky scourge upon the earth bbw



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36133336)



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Date: May 26th, 2018 7:57 PM
Author: walnut racy twinkling uncleanness sanctuary

Thath too much greathe, he lisped

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36133296)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 9:17 AM
Author: Ivory Passionate Ticket Booth Mexican

you have to grease up good for 5 guys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36135146)



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Date: May 26th, 2018 8:25 PM
Author: costumed mediation

cr. 5 guys burgers are 180.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36133392)



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Date: May 26th, 2018 7:57 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle mahogany goyim spot

5 guys has better fries but the Shake Stack is 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36133297)



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Date: May 26th, 2018 7:59 PM
Author: walnut racy twinkling uncleanness sanctuary

Better fries, yes. I will concede Shake Shack has better milkshakes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36133301)



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Date: May 26th, 2018 8:00 PM
Author: outnumbered chapel wagecucks

In and Out styles over both

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36133307)



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Date: May 26th, 2018 8:01 PM
Author: walnut racy twinkling uncleanness sanctuary

I haven’t tried it, but highly doubtful.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36133318)



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Date: May 26th, 2018 8:03 PM
Author: outnumbered chapel wagecucks

By a country mile

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36133328)



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Date: May 26th, 2018 8:10 PM
Author: Crimson corn cake

It does.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36133346)



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Date: May 26th, 2018 8:19 PM
Author: Godawful Deer Antler

(Gookfucker)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36133377)



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Date: May 26th, 2018 8:25 PM
Author: maniacal set

NYCmo here, I completely agree.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36133390)



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Date: May 26th, 2018 8:44 PM
Author: Provocative primrose brunch new version

In and Out is horrible.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36133487)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 12:43 AM
Author: maniacal set

(literal retard)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36134530)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 12:44 AM
Author: Crimson corn cake



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36134535)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 11:17 AM
Author: Provocative primrose brunch new version

(Brain damaged Californiamo)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36135563)



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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:45 AM
Author: cruel-hearted genital piercing cuckoldry



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36139104)



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Date: May 28th, 2018 11:59 AM
Author: Mind-boggling Very Tactful Resort

Cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36139905)



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Date: May 30th, 2018 12:31 PM
Author: nighttime toaster



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36151901)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 12:36 AM
Author: Adventurous yellow boiling water sound barrier

In n out is a different kind of burger

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36134496)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 2:29 AM
Author: Chrome stirring pit

It's a much better value, but I don't think it beats either on taste.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36134785)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 9:16 AM
Author: Crimson corn cake

Beats Five Guys for sure. Shake Shack is a closer call.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36135142)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 11:17 AM
Author: Cream diverse crackhouse

In and out haa terrible fries

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36135565)



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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:39 AM
Author: Iridescent Hairraiser Temple

well done in n out fries + animal sauce is 180 billion

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36139099)



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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:45 AM
Author: cruel-hearted genital piercing cuckoldry

back to reddit faggot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36139105)



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Date: May 28th, 2018 5:03 AM
Author: Iridescent Hairraiser Temple

this doesn't even make sense pumos are braindead spamtards

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36139114)



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Date: May 28th, 2018 11:55 AM
Author: Chrome stirring pit

I'm not sure what you're getting at here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36139881)



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Date: May 26th, 2018 8:11 PM
Author: ungodly mental disorder

Cr. Better than In n Out too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36133353)



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Date: May 26th, 2018 8:13 PM
Author: self-centered dark property

RAN here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36133360)



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Date: May 26th, 2018 8:12 PM
Author: talented bearded telephone address

I've maintained this, that Five Guys makes the best burger. While Papa Johns makes the best pizza. And I'm born and raised in Chicago, so you already know what it is.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36133358)



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Date: May 26th, 2018 8:47 PM
Author: electric citrine alpha

Have you actually had other burgers and slices.

Next I'm feel like you will recommend Pats or Geno...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36133499)



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Date: May 26th, 2018 8:48 PM
Author: Mint massive bawdyhouse international law enforcement agency

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36133507)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 12:21 AM
Author: Crimson corn cake

Five Guys beef isn't very good, the patty always crumbles apart as you eat it. The bun is also terrible, immediately soggy. If they would just get better buns it would really improve their burger.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36134414)



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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:31 AM
Author: Chrome stirring pit

The sogginess objection is fair. But I think I'd largely blame that on the foil wrapping.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36139096)



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Date: May 30th, 2018 12:12 PM
Author: walnut racy twinkling uncleanness sanctuary

My bun is never soggy. Stop ordering tomatoes on your burger.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36151773)



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Date: May 30th, 2018 12:22 PM
Author: Chrome stirring pit

Tomatoes are produce with a huge range of quality and a rather low median. There are really good tomatoes out there, but they aren't used often. The typical fast food tomato is close to tasteless, and bad tomatoes are reasonably common.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36151835)



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Date: May 30th, 2018 12:29 PM
Author: walnut racy twinkling uncleanness sanctuary

Cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36151884)



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Date: May 26th, 2018 8:47 PM
Author: Vibrant theater

twist: they all suck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36133502)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 12:30 AM
Author: Disturbing histrionic partner boltzmann

Yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36134463)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 12:31 AM
Author: exhilarant lodge legal warrant

Five Goys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36134466)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 11:03 AM
Author: sadistic forum



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36135517)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 11:16 AM
Author: Bronze Stag Film



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36135560)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 12:44 AM
Author: Adventurous yellow boiling water sound barrier

Where does fatburger fit in here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36134536)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 2:27 AM
Author: Chrome stirring pit

I prefer Shake Shack, but I don't prefer it's higher prices.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36134779)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 9:25 AM
Author: Lake multi-colored house

You gay fast-food niggers need to shut the fuck up about this forever

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36135161)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 11:06 AM
Author: Crusty Stage

Wendys 4 for 4 shits on both. Plus 50 cent Frostys this summer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36135530)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 11:17 AM
Author: Bronze Stag Film

ITT: Elites

Checkers/Rally's has the best burger when considering all factors. 180 value

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36135561)



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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:36 AM
Author: Galvanic associate

ITT: posters pretend chains have better burgers than local burger joints and diners

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36139097)



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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:49 AM
Author: Chrome stirring pit

Why would posters spread across the country talk about local joints that no one else has heard of? Does that sound like good conversation fuel to you?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36139110)



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Date: May 30th, 2018 12:11 PM
Author: walnut racy twinkling uncleanness sanctuary



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36151764)



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Date: May 30th, 2018 12:26 PM
Author: Jet-lagged aggressive ratface library

lmao. he is so painfully stupid and bad at poasting, it's hilarious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36151864)



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Date: May 30th, 2018 12:10 PM
Author: walnut racy twinkling uncleanness sanctuary

Honestly a lot of local places near me are meh compared to five guys.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36151757)



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Date: May 28th, 2018 11:58 AM
Author: Supple insane queen of the night marketing idea

I prefer Whataburger, tbh.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36139898)



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Date: May 30th, 2018 12:13 PM
Author: Territorial dashing immigrant

The best thing at both restaurants is Shake Shack's fried chicken sandwich

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36151777)



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Date: May 30th, 2018 12:20 PM
Author: walnut racy twinkling uncleanness sanctuary

The chicken sandwich is good and better than chick-fil-a.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36151824)



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Date: May 30th, 2018 12:21 PM
Author: Territorial dashing immigrant

yeah agreed, and that's not a knock on chick-fil-a which is more true fast food

but the chicken sandwich at SS is sooooooooo good

i wish SS offered onion rings though

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987281&forum_id=2#36151831)



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Date: May 30th, 2018 12:30 PM
Author: walnut racy twinkling uncleanness sanctuary

Agreed. Last time I was at SS I wanted to order onion rings, and was shocked they didn’t sell it.

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