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PSA: Jones Day is ranked 15 by Vault and doesn't pay lockstep

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.
ungodly harsh ticket booth toilet seat
  06/15/18
“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”
Rose step-uncle's house
  06/15/18
As I understand it.
Federal address affirmative action
  06/15/18
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supple bright really tough guy plaza
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supple bright really tough guy plaza
  02/12/22
they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. th...
vibrant kitchen
  06/15/18
oh we got a legal expert here
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ungodly harsh ticket booth toilet seat
  02/12/22
they have no debt as I understand it
Impressive costumed goyim puppy
  06/15/18
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supple bright really tough guy plaza
  06/15/18
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Bull Headed Hunting Ground
  06/15/18
260k is a huge salary
Impressive costumed goyim puppy
  06/15/18
goes a long way in shaker heights
Floppy Big-titted Area Lettuce
  06/15/18
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Iridescent Roast Beef Tattoo
  06/15/18
Cr. Thats city janitor money
supple bright really tough guy plaza
  06/15/18
Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal ...
Well-lubricated Sepia Garrison
  06/15/18
How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 ...
Swashbuckling senate corn cake
  02/12/21
It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your cha...
Stimulating hilarious church
  06/15/18
they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live ...
vibrant kitchen
  06/15/18
sounds 180
Impressive costumed goyim puppy
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Iridescent Roast Beef Tattoo
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Bull Headed Hunting Ground
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supple bright really tough guy plaza
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Federal address affirmative action
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Bull Headed Hunting Ground
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Vermilion Dragon
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Vermilion Dragon
  10/06/21
is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 intera...
ungodly harsh ticket booth toilet seat
  10/06/21
omg 260k where do they get off
slippery galvanic den
  06/15/18
For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t ...
ungodly harsh ticket booth toilet seat
  06/15/18
p depressing news going into the weekend
Know-it-all mildly autistic therapy
  06/15/18
Eat my dick nigger lover
ungodly harsh ticket booth toilet seat
  06/15/18
your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire...
Know-it-all mildly autistic therapy
  06/15/18
Explain
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Vermilion Dragon
  06/16/18
yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put...
talented sable institution son of senegal
  06/15/18
To be fair, *Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends
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ungodly harsh ticket booth toilet seat
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Bull Headed Hunting Ground
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ungodly harsh ticket booth toilet seat
  10/14/21
I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.
Dashing brindle dingle berry
  02/12/21
holy shit out the firm
Exhilarant Sex Offender
  02/12/21
or at least give us vault range. that is really low.
ungodly harsh ticket booth toilet seat
  02/12/21
Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.
wonderful yellow rigor nowag
  02/12/21
it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression a...
ungodly harsh ticket booth toilet seat
  02/12/21
That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cr...
wonderful yellow rigor nowag
  02/12/21
i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.
ungodly harsh ticket booth toilet seat
  02/15/21
They systematically overpay top performers though. If you'r...
Soul-stirring business firm
  02/12/21
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Olive appetizing temple telephone
  02/12/21
No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an...
Dashing brindle dingle berry
  02/12/21
Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they ca...
Soul-stirring business firm
  02/12/21
Better partnership odds
vigorous pocket flask
  02/12/21
That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner ...
Soul-stirring business firm
  02/12/21
Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except f...
vigorous pocket flask
  02/12/21
(Stevie Brogan)
Exhilarant Sex Offender
  02/12/21
lol no
diverse indian lodge azn
  02/12/21
how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Clevel...
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Amethyst main people
  10/06/21
that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.
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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:24 PM
Author: ungodly harsh ticket booth toilet seat

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:27 PM
Author: Rose step-uncle's house

“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36252952)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:33 PM
Author: Federal address affirmative action

As I understand it.

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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:37 PM
Author: supple bright really tough guy plaza



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:55 AM
Author: supple bright really tough guy plaza



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: vibrant kitchen

they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. the high ranking is from their NY and DC specialty practices, which didn't arrive until the 80s. they lost their entire DC office when it broke off to form crowell & moring

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36252972)



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:10 PM
Author: dead charcoal crackhouse dysfunction

oh we got a legal expert here

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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:41 AM
Author: ungodly harsh ticket booth toilet seat



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: Impressive costumed goyim puppy

they have no debt as I understand it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36252979)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:48 PM
Author: supple bright really tough guy plaza



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: Bull Headed Hunting Ground



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:33 PM
Author: Impressive costumed goyim puppy

260k is a huge salary

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36252984)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: Floppy Big-titted Area Lettuce

goes a long way in shaker heights

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:41 PM
Author: Iridescent Roast Beef Tattoo



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: supple bright really tough guy plaza

Cr. Thats city janitor money

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36253068)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: Well-lubricated Sepia Garrison

Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal profession will always have a massive oversupply problem unless major changes are made.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36252986)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:14 PM
Author: Swashbuckling senate corn cake

How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 firms are all competing over the same band of graduates and to a lesser extent laterals. There's an oversupply of lawyers in the country but there isn't an oversupply of Class of 2017 Stanford Law graduates willing to do debt financing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41935785)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:35 PM
Author: Stimulating hilarious church

It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your chances of making a career of it v. maximizing your earnings. That's always been my impression, although maybe incorrect.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36252995)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: vibrant kitchen

they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live in the midwest making six figures as basically a career of counsel, it might work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36253002)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: Impressive costumed goyim puppy

sounds 180

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:42 PM
Author: Iridescent Roast Beef Tattoo



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:56 PM
Author: Bull Headed Hunting Ground



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:38 PM
Author: Amber boistinker

https://simpsonsscreenshots.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/mysterybox.png

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: supple bright really tough guy plaza



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:38 PM
Author: Federal address affirmative action



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: Bull Headed Hunting Ground



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:55 PM
Author: Bull Headed Hunting Ground

https://imgur.com/a/9I8pMf1

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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:59 PM
Author: Stimulating hilarious church



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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:46 PM
Author: Vermilion Dragon



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: Bull Headed Hunting Ground



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:12 PM
Author: Vermilion Dragon



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: ungodly harsh ticket booth toilet seat

is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 interacts with 7.2" guy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#43231447)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:50 PM
Author: slippery galvanic den

omg 260k where do they get off

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36253074)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:24 PM
Author: ungodly harsh ticket booth toilet seat

For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t pay lockstep and was making 260k when I made partner.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36253521)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:28 PM
Author: Know-it-all mildly autistic therapy

p depressing news going into the weekend

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36253537)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:15 PM
Author: ungodly harsh ticket booth toilet seat

Eat my dick nigger lover

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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:05 PM
Author: Know-it-all mildly autistic therapy

your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire du jour

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36254215)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:35 PM
Author: ungodly harsh ticket booth toilet seat

Explain

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Date: June 16th, 2018 2:30 PM
Author: ungodly harsh ticket booth toilet seat



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Date: September 4th, 2018 2:24 PM
Author: ungodly harsh ticket booth toilet seat



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Date: June 16th, 2018 12:01 AM
Author: Vermilion Dragon



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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:28 PM
Author: talented sable institution son of senegal

yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put in some time and then afterwards you basically write your own ticket

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36253827)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:46 PM
Author: sapphire box office

To be fair,

*Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36254339)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:22 PM
Author: ungodly harsh ticket booth toilet seat



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:21 PM
Author: Olive appetizing temple telephone



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: Bull Headed Hunting Ground



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Date: October 14th, 2021 1:53 PM
Author: ungodly harsh ticket booth toilet seat



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:36 PM
Author: Dashing brindle dingle berry

I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41933507)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:37 PM
Author: Exhilarant Sex Offender

holy shit

out the firm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41933521)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:15 PM
Author: ungodly harsh ticket booth toilet seat

or at least give us vault range. that is really low.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41933783)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:22 PM
Author: wonderful yellow rigor nowag

Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41933832)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: ungodly harsh ticket booth toilet seat

it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression at firms that don't pay lockstep (like mine). I think when i made partner biglaw was at 180 or 190 for first years. i was making 260 when i was put up. my firm always matches the market salary for first years but does nothing for anyone year 2 and beyond.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41933852)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:27 PM
Author: wonderful yellow rigor nowag

That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cravath scale but it’s been a while since I’ve seen the list

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41933882)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:02 PM
Author: ungodly harsh ticket booth toilet seat

i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41949761)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: Soul-stirring business firm

They systematically overpay top performers though. If you're a 6th year doing 2400+ hours and unhappy with your pay and you're good, you could walk across the street to any other firm that does lockstep. But now you make the same as their worst sixth year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41933851)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:39 PM
Author: Olive appetizing temple telephone



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:10 PM
Author: Dashing brindle dingle berry

No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an associate of the same year at a lockstep firm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41935758)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:57 PM
Author: Soul-stirring business firm

Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they can go to another firm tomorrow and get more money?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41935989)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:00 PM
Author: vigorous pocket flask

Better partnership odds

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41935999)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:04 PM
Author: Soul-stirring business firm

That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner classes, but it's a longer track too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41936016)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:10 PM
Author: vigorous pocket flask

Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except for places where no one makes partner (Cravath, S&C, etc.).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41936043)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:15 PM
Author: Exhilarant Sex Offender

(Stevie Brogan)

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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:22 PM
Author: diverse indian lodge azn

lol no

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41935828)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:12 PM
Author: Ruby heady trust fund

how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Cleveland? the Shaker Heights trolling has got me curious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41949811)



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Date: June 29th, 2021 8:18 AM
Author: ungodly harsh ticket booth toilet seat



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:07 PM
Author: ungodly harsh ticket booth toilet seat



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:15 PM
Author: Amethyst main people



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: peach disrespectful persian location

that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#43231452)



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:43 AM
Author: ungodly harsh ticket booth toilet seat



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