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Date: June 25th, 2018 3:17 PM Author: Nofapping Pozpig http://archive.is/XW10N
Across the country, local efforts are at last underway to integrate schools that remain profoundly segregated more than half a century after the Supreme Court’s ruling in Brown v. Board of Education. Nowhere is that work more important than New York City, where the school system is not only the nation’s largest but also its most segregated.
After largely ignoring this reality for four years, Mayor Bill de Blasio has now taken an important step: He has put forward a plan to integrate eight of the city’s specialized high schools, storied institutions like Stuyvesant, Bronx Science and Brooklyn Tech. These schools have, for generations, set those lucky enough to attend on paths to success, to middle-class security, to rewarding careers and even to Nobel Prizes.
These schools have a vital mission, to challenge the city’s sharpest young minds. But they are failing in that endeavor, because they all but shut out black and Latino students, leaving untold numbers of New York’s brightest children behind.
Black and Latino students make up nearly two-thirds of the city’s 1.1 million school children. Yet, of the 5,067 offers of admission to specialized schools this year, 51.7 percent went to Asian students and 26.5 percent to white students. Latino and black students received 6.3 and 4.1 percent of the offers, respectively. At Stuyvesant, the most sought-after of the schools, just 10 of the 902 students offered admission were black.
A single, three-hour test known as the Specialized High Schools Admissions Test is the sole screen for admission to the eight schools. This system arose from efforts to integrate these schools back in 1971. Opponents of those efforts lobbied for a state law, known as Hecht-Calandra, that requires the three largest schools — Stuyvesant, Bronx Science and Brooklyn Tech — to use only the exam. Over the past four decades, the exclusionary process spread as the five smaller specialized schools also adopted the exam as the sole admissions criterion.
New York’s elementary and middle schools do not prepare children for the test, all but ensuring that students seek out extensive test preparation. Many Asian and white students have done so for thousands of dollars apiece. Black and Latino students are likely to walk in with little or no test preparation.
That was the experience of Wyatt Perez, who was valedictorian of his Bronx middle school but didn’t do well enough on the test to attend a specialized school. Mr. Perez, now 17 and headed to the University of Pennsylvania in the fall, said he remembered being given a book on the exam and left to study on his own. “I couldn’t find anyone to help me with it,” he said. “I had to look at videos on YouTube.”
Epiphane Lokossou, who emigrated to the United States from West Africa in 2010, said he couldn’t afford test preparation for his 13-year-old son Boris, who attends Lafayette Academy, a middle school in Manhattan.
Brian Zager, Lafayette Academy’s principal, described Boris as a standout student. But when he took the exam last year, he didn’t receive an offer from a specialized high school. Mr. Lokossou said the admissions process had failed to capture his son’s true potential. “It’s just one test,” he said. “It does not define who he is.”
Of all elite public high schools in the country, only New York’s use a single exam for admission. Researchers and others have said this approach is less predictive of success than grades, particularly for black and Latino students.
Who Gets In?
The SHSAT favors students who do well in either math or English but not necessarily both. Students with more balanced scores can miss the cutoff for admission.
Mayor de Blasio has vowed to replace the test with a system, to be phased in over three years, that would eventually admit the top 7 percent of students from every middle school, based on a combination of grades and performance on state exams. City officials say that if the plan is implemented, the specialized high schools would be about 45 percent black and Latino.
The plan is far from radical. The University of Texas used a similar approach to maintain diversity when a court struck down its use of affirmative action years ago. New York City education officials estimate that students who would be admitted under the plan would have an average state test score of 3.9 out of 4.5, compared to 4.1 for students currently enrolled in the specialized schools. The average GPA, 94, would be the same.
Average Grade of Students Receiving Offers
Under the current program, students receiving offers to specialized high schools have high grades, but are mostly from middle schools with smaller shares of black and Hispanic students.
Under the proposed plan, students receiving offers would come from more diverse middle schools. The average grade among students offered admission would remain high.
Opposition has been swift and fierce, much of it from some alumni of the specialized schools, who have said the mayor’s plan would somehow lower the quality of education or “set kids up for failure.” The very intensity of the response underscores how formative an experience it is to attend a specialized high school — an experience that for years has been unfairly denied so many black and Latino New Yorkers.
Some alumni — black alumni — have described in painful detail their isolated experiences in the schools. They include Mr. de Blasio’s son, Dante, who attended Brooklyn Tech. In a Daily News op-ed article earlier this month, he said his experience was marred by racial slurs and slights that included a teacher laughing at a black student who said she wanted to be a doctor.
In recent weeks, some Asian groups have protested outside City Hall and in Brooklyn, saying that Asian students will lose seats. Asian children are about 16 percent of the district’s student body but a majority at schools like Stuyvesant. Many come from families that have scrimped on essentials like food to pay for test prep. Such objections are understandable, but they don’t change the fact that the admissions policy is flawed and unfair to other children.
Some opponents of the plan have also said the city should focus on improving education at schools already attended by black and Latino students. (Of course, the city ought to do that, too.) This argument underscores that the current testing regime is not “race-blind,” since it can’t be separated from the reality of unequal schools and the disadvantages of generations of poverty and racism.
In an interview, the city’s new schools chancellor, Richard Carranza, argued that relying on a single test harmed all New Yorkers, including Asian families who spend scarce resources on test prep. “I’m sorry that the system has forced you to spend your time, your treasure on preparing your kids for that test,” he said. “Help is on the way.”
The city has said that it’s considering adding seats in the schools, to mitigate some concerns. It might also consider increasing outreach to show families other excellent options, including schools like Edward R. Murrow High School and Midwood that draw students from around the city through competitive admissions.
For the plan to succeed, the city will surely need to increase remedial and enrichment programs at the specialized high schools, to serve students who were at the top of their classes but whose middle schools may not have prepared them for the rigor of a Stuyvesant.
Perhaps the biggest challenge to the mayor’s full plan is political, since it will require overturning Hecht-Calandra. That would take forceful lobbying from Gov. Andrew Cuomo, who has so far signaled only lukewarm support.
In the meantime, there’s nothing to stop the mayor from implementing those parts of his plan that don’t require state action. He could begin with the five specialized high schools not covered by the 1971 state law.
Mr. de Blasio could also consider applying the plan, or something similar, to the city’s other competitive high schools, many of which are also failing to admit significant numbers of black and Latino students.
It is a bitter irony, or just a deeply damning fact, that the spirit of Jim Crow would prove so stubborn in a city whose leaders pride themselves on their enlightened politics. Without aggressive action, New York will continue to fail its black and Latino students, a waste of their potential and its own. |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 4:29 PM Author: Flickering pit love of her life "the exclusionary process" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36307578) |
Date: June 25th, 2018 3:21 PM Author: Impertinent thirsty milk These schools have a vital mission, to challenge the city’s sharpest young minds. But they are failing in that endeavor, because they all but shut out black and Latino students, leaving untold numbers of New York’s brightest children behind.
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Date: June 25th, 2018 5:22 PM Author: green gas station skinny woman Well *obviously* the non-admitted kids have minds that are *just as sharp* on average as the admitted kids. That goes without saying, right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36307894) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 5:28 PM Author: contagious base sound barrier Being in NYC, I assume that these schools admit very few non-Jewish whites, and that these are by far the most underrepresented among those qualified. Blacks and Latinoes are probably already as well represented as they can be... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36307921) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 3:22 PM Author: pearl macaca plaza Lib AZNs, your response?
"Yet, of the 5,067 offers of admission to specialized schools this year, 51.7 percent went to Asian students and 26.5 percent to white students.
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Mayor de Blasio has vowed to replace the test with a system, to be phased in over three years, that would eventually admit the top 7 percent of students from every middle school, based on a combination of grades and performance on state exams. City officials say that if the plan is implemented, the specialized high schools would be about 45 percent black and Latino." |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 3:23 PM Author: domesticated degenerate stag film >> That was the experience of Wyatt Perez, who was valedictorian of his Bronx middle school but didn’t do well enough on the test to attend a specialized school. Mr. Perez, now 17 and headed to the University of Pennsylvania in the fall, said he remembered being given a book on the exam and left to study on his own. “I couldn’t find anyone to help me with it,” he said. “I had to look at videos on YouTube.” <<
So seems like his outcome was okay? What are they arguing for here exactly? |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 3:26 PM Author: Impertinent thirsty milk I couldn't find anyone to help me with it except for hundreds of people who had made extensive videos about it for free! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36307138) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 3:27 PM Author: big-titted narrow-minded station jewess 1) since when do middle schools have “valedictorians”
2) you can teach yourself literally anything on youtube |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 5:25 PM Author: High-end yellow parlor stain i literally had the same experience he had except my catholic school never gave me the book. i took the test 100% cold. I got into Tech, "discoveried" at Science (meaning i was about 5 points off) and DINGFAGGED at Stuy. I ended up at HYP.
trust me WYATT, it will be fine for kids who even don't get in, i swear. |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 5:44 PM Author: domesticated degenerate stag film i mean, i guess the argument might be that he wouldn't get into Penn without affirmative action, and so that should be used for the magnet schools.
but assuming affirmative action is here to stay in higher ed, what more would a Tech or Stuy acceptance gotten Wyatt? a Yale admit vs Penn, if that? |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 3:24 PM Author: Nofapping Pozpig "The very intensity of the response underscores how formative an experience it is to attend a specialized high school — an experience that for years has been unfairly denied so many black and Latino New Yorkers."
It'd be nice for the NYT to explain how an identical test taken by everybody is "unfair" but applying an entirely different standard based on what public school people attend is not. |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 3:32 PM Author: Maroon liquid oxygen main people There was a confusing part. I think the op ed said in some kind of snarky way that opponents of the new reform argue that "somehow" the new admits would be set up for failure. And then later it says surely the schools will need to have special programs for the new kids because they're not as prepared.
Am I being dense here and missing something? Seems inconsistent |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 3:42 PM Author: Maroon liquid oxygen main people I expected the op ed not to contradict itself... which I think is what happened. I mean I would have just eliminated the snarky line about how opponents "somehow" believe the new kids might be unprepared (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36307248) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 3:34 PM Author: Impertinent thirsty milk It is a bitter irony, or just a deeply damning fact, that the spirit of Jim Crow would prove so stubborn in a city whose leaders pride themselves on their enlightened politics.
Yes, those Jim Crow laws by which Chinese people dominated the American South for generations. |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 3:34 PM Author: umber flatulent church building "These schools have a vital mission, to challenge the city’s sharpest young minds. But they are failing in that endeavor, because they all but shut out black and Latino students, leaving untold numbers of New York’s brightest children behind."
what's the actual evidence behind this claim? |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 3:39 PM Author: 180 cruise ship corn cake Couldn't these untold numbers of brightest children -- at least a good portion of them -- go to another school and make THAT school a top school in NYC? I mean this hypothetical school would have so many of the brightest children in NYC attending it ... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36307228) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 3:43 PM Author: spectacular ebony hospital Here's a fun experiment. Let's switch schools for a year. All the kids from Stuy go to a nearby PS whatever, and the PS whatever kids go to Stuy. Now observe the results. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36307258) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 3:44 PM Author: umber flatulent church building you mean like what the jews did with CUNY for a while?
no.
"but why ca-"
shut the fuck up. |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 3:45 PM Author: Nofapping Pozpig Interesting thought, btw: De Blasio's plan is to just pick the top kids from each public school. Does anybody doubt that tons of enterprising Asians are just going to bite the bullet, relocate their kids to shitty public schools, and teach them to utterly dominate their classmates? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36307272) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 3:47 PM Author: Sick irradiated boistinker i consider this to be a foregone conclusion (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36307282) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 5:48 PM Author: High-end yellow parlor stain i hope they do. they are aspie enough a population to say FUCK IT and go full kamikaze. i approve of this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36308026) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 3:47 PM Author: Maroon liquid oxygen main people That was my immediate thought. Azns game the system. Why wouldn't they game it again until the rules change again (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36307284) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 3:47 PM Author: Impertinent thirsty milk Some of these random shitty middle schools might be legit dangerous for Asians to attend, right?
More likely the quality of Stuy, etc will just go down, and most Asians will just congregate at a few "regular" public high schools in Queens or wherever, and those schools will become the new "best schools". |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 12:03 PM Author: Flickering pit love of her life I don't think that happened in Texas. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36312011) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 2:58 PM Author: Nofapping Pozpig True, but there the threshold was lower (top 10% of the class) and the prize (admission to UT-Austin) less grand. If UT-Austin were a Harvard-tier school it probably would. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36313240) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 4:14 PM Author: Flickering pit love of her life Well, we're about to find out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36313644) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 3:46 PM Author: Maroon liquid oxygen main people The op ed acknowledges that azn families skimp on essentials like fucking food (lol) to prepare the kids to take the admissions test. Basically acknowledges that poors can get test prep that's apparently absolutely essential to get into these schools. Jeez... maybe black and Latino families could do something about their kids getting shut out of the good schools (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36307276) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 3:51 PM Author: Impertinent thirsty milk Well, they are doing something about it, lol. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36307305) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 3:53 PM Author: Racy dull corner lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36307327) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 3:54 PM Author: Gaped State Candlestick Maker Lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36307335) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 4:08 PM Author: confused walnut sweet tailpipe mad-dog skullcap it is honestly pretty interesting stuff. Asians will kill themselves to succeed within the system. Not the same as being ethical - obviously they're notorious for rampant blatant cheating - but it never occurs to them to question that taking the test and getting a good score on it are the way to get ahead. whereas at least blacks (with a little boost from the tribe) are savvy enough to realize it's all sorta bullshit and if you're not winning, just change the rules. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36307430) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 4:45 PM Author: Impertinent thirsty milk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36307677) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 4:54 PM Author: Outnumbered azn locale I get by with a little help from the tribe, With a little help from the triiiiiiibe |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 6:09 PM Author: sepia house ladyboy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36308146) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 6:09 PM Author: bespoke piazza Explain how a small minority could “change the rules” to do better than 50% admission at the best school? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36308148) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 7:09 PM Author: Impertinent thirsty milk Yes, how could a small, tribal minority "change the rules" for society to benefit them at the expense of the majority population? That certainly has never happened in the United States before. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36308440) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 10:18 PM Author: trip dark deer antler stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36309486) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 2:00 PM Author: disrespectful multi-colored patrolman lay (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36312852) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 2:05 PM Author: Hairless razzle space (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36312882) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 3:55 PM Author: Maroon liquid oxygen main people Only nowags could be so weak to vote dem. LJL at how pathetic they are. I don't think they deserve this but if this type of shit should befall any group it's probably them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36307339) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 3:57 PM Author: 180 cruise ship corn cake they can't get over the image of Republicans being white rednecks living in flyover land. Definitely NOT prestigious. The same thing that makes them "game the system" also makes them Dems-- that perceived prestige. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36307355) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 4:33 PM Author: blue national yarmulke (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36307601) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 4:01 PM Author: indigo bearded school cafeteria In an interview, the city’s new schools chancellor, Richard Carranza, argued that relying on a single test harmed all New Yorkers, including Asian families who spend scarce resources on test prep. “I’m sorry that the system has forced you to spend your time, your treasure on preparing your kids for that test,” he said. “Help is on the way.”
HELP IS ON THE WAY, you stupid asians. stop fighting it, HELP IS ON THE WAY. |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 4:02 PM Author: Impertinent thirsty milk I'm sorry you had to waste your time learning shit! Chill the fuck out! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36307390) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 9:17 AM Author: curious french chef chapel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36310985) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 4:37 PM Author: Flickering pit love of her life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36307625) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 7:53 PM Author: violet disturbing point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36308674) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:25 AM Author: bright boyish step-uncle's house Fucking deranged shitlibs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36311730) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 2:09 PM Author: Vivacious doctorate cumskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36312918) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 4:02 PM Author: ungodly garrison legend who really gives a flying fuck? these striver high schools shouldn't even exist anyways. just go to a normal fucking high school get good grades/SAT scores and you'll be fine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36307391) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 4:04 PM Author: domesticated degenerate stag film lol at a normal school in the outer boroughs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36307406) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 4:06 PM Author: indigo bearded school cafeteria these are basically the only public high schools in new york city with any rigor to them because they can teach at a high pace because everyone is on the same page iq-wise. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36307420) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 9:17 AM Author: ungodly garrison legend why does high school need to have "rigor"? just do as little as possible, get good grades and go to a good college. fuck these gook strivers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36310982) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 9:19 AM Author: curious french chef chapel There might be some societal benefits to having a properly educated population (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36310992) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 9:32 AM Author: ungodly garrison legend sounds like Deblasio's plan would do more to accomplish that than the current system of hordes of bug ppl tripping over themselves to game the admissions process. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36311042) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 9:42 AM Author: curious french chef chapel Having intelligent kids forced into schools with subhumans will not. Dumbing things down in the elite schools to accommodate the AA admits won't either. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36311073) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:27 AM Author: ungodly garrison legend The AA admits are better off in the better school. Azns will continue to be gunners and have the same outcomes regardless.
Having it based on a test that they all probably cheat on isn’t the best plan as it is. |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 3:37 PM Author: Swashbuckling kitchen persian It's more about preventing white and Asian kids from getting beat up daily (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36313427) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 4:05 PM Author: big very tactful dilemma background story At least the comments on the NYT page are largely reaming the author. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36307414) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 4:06 PM Author: trip dark deer antler stage "The author" is the NYT Editorial Board. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36307421) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 4:08 PM Author: big very tactful dilemma background story ...as if it matters which shitlib Jewish woman actually penned the piece. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36307427) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 4:44 PM Author: Impertinent thirsty milk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36307673) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 6:25 PM Author: sepia house ladyboy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36308245) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 4:06 PM Author: Stimulating Rehab 180 accept the enrichment, shitlibs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36307419) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 4:16 PM Author: bistre charismatic principal's office from magic dirt to magic concrete and steel!
"These schools have, for generations, set those lucky enough to attend on paths to success, to middle-class security, to rewarding careers and even to Nobel Prizes."
yeah and CCNY used to "set people on paths to...nobel prizes."
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Date: June 25th, 2018 4:17 PM Author: indigo bearded school cafeteria back when CCNY was full of brooklyn jews. now its all black and browns, and a total shithole. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36307479) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 4:27 PM Author: Magical Mind-boggling Legal Warrant Locus TCR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36307566) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 4:30 PM Author: ultramarine gaping heaven (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36307583) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 4:29 PM Author: deep brunch juggernaut Top NYT comment: Beware cognition privilege.
"Now to reward me--and the others who were fortunate enough to be born into the privileges of education and resources and cognition is unfair. To those of you who believe I earned my BFA, MA, and MFA through merely hard work are extremely mistaken. Hard work helped but the luck of my draw helped much more. "
This has to be fake. |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 4:33 PM Author: Flickering pit love of her life I'm sick of research scientists always being portrayed as geniuses. A more "realistic" portrayal would use 100 IQ HS graduates. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36307603) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 4:34 PM Author: ultramarine gaping heaven THAT'S WOKE AS SHIT. THE HIGHLY 'EDUCATED' WOKE MFA HAS SPOKEN. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36307607) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 2:14 PM Author: Vivacious doctorate cumskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36312946) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 4:35 PM Author: At-the-ready travel guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36307613) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 5:33 PM Author: green gas station skinny woman Other than the references to BFA, MA, and MFA, it's actually spot on. It's not fair that some people are born with smarter genes than others. The problem is trying "correct" that unfairness would lead to a Harrison Bergeron type of dystopia. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36307953) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 6:42 PM Author: Diverse clear meetinghouse factory reset button Yeah, it's a pretty honest quote.
It's not really "fair" that smart people are born that way. |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 4:30 PM Author: Flickering pit love of her life "leaving untold numbers of New York’s brightest children behind."
Hold on. We're just going to assume they're the "brightest children"? Why?
Maybe they are. Maybe they aren't. But I'm certain we can test them. |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 5:40 PM Author: green gas station skinny woman "Maybe they are. Maybe they aren't. But I'm certain we can test them."
Let me stop you right there... |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 10:43 PM Author: Flickering pit love of her life Would that be racist? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36309623) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 4:36 PM Author: Flickering pit love of her life "The SHSAT favors students who do well in either math or English but not necessarily both. Students with more balanced scores can miss the cutoff for admission."
This seems like a potentially fair criticism, but since they didn't go into detail, I doubt it.
Edit: The graph - https://files.catbox.moe/f8n3eg.png |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 4:40 PM Author: Magical Mind-boggling Legal Warrant Locus Its literally just SAT questions. You prep for it by doing SAT prep. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36307645) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 4:40 PM Author: Hot Crawly Address Keepsake Machete Yeah they miss the cut off for admission by a long shot. Its like needing a 1500 for the SATs and getting 1000. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36307654) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 4:44 PM Author: Flickering pit love of her life Scenario: "Unbalanced" Asian gets 800 M and 730 V (1530) and gets in. "Balanced" Hispanic gets 650 M and 650 V (1300) and doesn't get in.
Is that the sort of situation they're saying is unfair? |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 4:45 PM Author: Magical Mind-boggling Legal Warrant Locus These people are fanatics and idiots there is no changing their minds. You have to remove them from the conversation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36307680) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 5:43 PM Author: Hot Crawly Address Keepsake Machete 1300 would be a miracle and close to the cutoff at a number of schools (not stuy). We are talking people who score 500v 500m. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36308003) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 6:44 PM Author: Diverse clear meetinghouse factory reset button A black kid with those scores (1300+) gets a scholarship to Dalton, so who needs Stuy? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36308326) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 4:44 PM Author: deep brunch juggernaut Why? Do you really want a 99th percentile math kid stuck in gen pop because he can't emphasize with characters in novels? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36307670) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 5:18 PM Author: Flickering pit love of her life https://files.catbox.moe/f8n3eg.png
Do you want the reverse?
I don't know exactly what's going on, but it's a strange result that seems like it deserves an answer. |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 5:24 PM Author: domesticated degenerate stag film that's a bizarre graph (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36307902) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 5:48 PM Author: green gas station skinny woman Yeah. Was there really no one whose 95th percentile in verbal and math? Is is just showing some weirdly selected sample? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36308022) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 6:48 PM Author: Diverse clear meetinghouse factory reset button Probably similar to the GMAT.
Asians all ace the math but can't do well on English section. Whites and normal Asians do well on English easily because they're competing against FOBs and minoroties. |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 7:06 PM Author: green gas station skinny woman But why is nobody in the upper right hand corner? Is there really nobody whose above 85th percentile in both math and verbal?
Actually, in looking again, I think that graph must be measuring people with an upper limit on their combined score.
Compare:
https://psychology.illinoisstate.edu/jccutti/psych340/images/lab5.3.gif
and
https://www.statcrunch.com/grabimageforreport.php?reportid=5590&image_id=385586
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Date: June 25th, 2018 7:49 PM Author: Impertinent thirsty milk Yes, I think that is the case. (I'm sure there are hundreds of super study Azns getting 99s on both.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36308659) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 2:20 PM Author: Vivacious doctorate cumskin I think the graph would look very different visually if the axes were SDs rather than percentiles. 80th percentile isn't actually a very high score. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36312981) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 4:47 PM Author: Impertinent thirsty milk Yeah, that one graph was kind of interesting, but it had nothing to do with their actual point - I'm sure the kids in that "balanced" math/verbal part of the graph were just as Azn/white as the "unbalanced" ones who got in. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36307692) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 5:42 PM Author: green gas station skinny woman Are there really people who test 99th percentile verbal and 40th in Math? I could see the reverse in non-native English speakers, but that's crazy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36307995) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 6:55 PM Author: big very tactful dilemma background story Odd that their graph does not seem to include students with balanced scores that were above the 80th percentile in both math and verbal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36308382) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 7:07 PM Author: green gas station skinny woman I think they must have used an upper limit on total combined score, which could be legitimate if the point is that people with the same (or lower) combined scores as non-admits are admitted if they score highly in one area. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36308436) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 9:16 PM Author: domesticated degenerate stag film Actually, I could see the balanced people not being admitted unless they were above a certain total
It's probably like the MLB draft. Everyone wants a 5 tool player, but I'll bet as you go down in aggregate value of a player's 5 tools, you're more likely to select someone who has freakish ability in one or two areas. |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 9:18 PM Author: green gas station skinny woman Yup. And I can see positive and negative things about making admissions decisions that way. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36309168) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 4:42 PM Author: Magical Mind-boggling Legal Warrant Locus Reminder: they set up free prep courses for minorities. 2 years worth of free prep even. Kaplan did a 12 week class but the minorities got 2 years of prep. 87% who did the 2 year prep still failed. Fuck them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36307659) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 4:48 PM Author: domesticated degenerate stag film if true that's pretty damning (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36307697) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 4:49 PM Author: Flickering pit love of her life Post a comment, brother. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36307701) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 6:22 PM Author: ruddy lascivious bawdyhouse Absoutely devastating (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36308220) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 6:24 PM Author: big-titted narrow-minded station jewess Lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36308238) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 6:43 PM Author: bistre charismatic principal's office yeah i didnt believe that for a second.
there really are millions of "programs" for our anchor class.
they meant minorities just dont study--not that studying isnt available to them.
http://www.passnyc.org/our-partners/
im getting REAL sick of journalists just quoting people speaking nonsense "THEY AINT GIVE JAMAL NO BOOKS AND DEYS RACIST TEACHERS TOO!" instead of providing real, verifiable information.
people say all sorts of dumb shit. what the fuck does that have to do anything?
either theres shitloads of free tutoring and prep courses available or not. theres one correct answer and it aint whatever jamals crackhead mom says it is.
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Date: June 25th, 2018 10:28 PM Author: topaz business firm trump supporter Actually access to prep resources doesn't matter because "it can’t be separated from ... the disadvantages of generations of poverty and racism." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36309541) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:31 AM Author: bright boyish step-uncle's house this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36311783) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 2:21 PM Author: Vivacious doctorate cumskin good for the 13% tbh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36312988) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 4:49 PM Author: ultramarine gaping heaven is it time once again to repost that story about the county that gave schools an unlimited budget for several years, unlimited resources, and observed ZERO improvement in minority performance over that period? magic bricks. |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 5:00 PM Author: poppy zombie-like indian lodge link (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36307792) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 5:26 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle parlour Kansas City (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36307913) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 5:43 PM Author: green gas station skinny woman I thought it was St. Louis (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36308006) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 5:52 PM Author: Nofapping Pozpig Def. KC:
https://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/money-school-performance-lessons-kansas-city-desegregation-experiment |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 6:22 PM Author: ruddy lascivious bawdyhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36308223) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 6:45 PM Author: At-the-ready travel guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36308331) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 9:29 AM Author: curious french chef chapel Date: 1998. This has been known for 20 years and yet our society still beats its head against the wall for shitlibs' axiomatic beliefs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36311035) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 3:11 PM Author: flirting elastic band Structural racism is more entrenched than we previously thought! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36313295) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 3:42 PM Author: Swashbuckling kitchen persian Because the only conclusion, race realism, really would be untenable if publicly accepted. This is why we either have ethnostates or we force integration (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36313455) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 2:05 PM Author: disrespectful multi-colored patrolman lay pretty sure the finding was that minority study performance improved but white student improved too, so the "race gap" between minority and white students was the same after the study (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36312885) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 2:12 PM Author: Flickering pit love of her life https://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/money-school-performance-lessons-kansas-city-desegregation-experiment (1998)
For decades critics of the public schools have been saying, “You can’t solve educational problems by throwing money at them.” The education establishment and its supporters have replied, “No one’s ever tried.” In Kansas City they did try. To improve the education of black students and encourage desegregation, a federal judge invited the Kansas City, Missouri, School District to come up with a cost-is-no-object educational plan and ordered local and state taxpayers to find the money to pay for it.
Kansas City spent as much as $11,700 per pupil—more money per pupil, on a cost of living adjusted basis, than any other of the 280 largest districts in the country. The money bought higher teachers’ salaries, 15 new schools, and such amenities as an Olympic-sized swimming pool with an underwater viewing room, television and animation studios, a robotics lab, a 25-acre wildlife sanctuary, a zoo, a model United Nations with simultaneous translation capability, and field trips to Mexico and Senegal. The student-teacher ratio was 12 or 13 to 1, the lowest of any major school district in the country.
The results were dismal. Test scores did not rise; the black-white gap did not diminish; and there was less, not greater, integration. |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 3:43 PM Author: Swashbuckling kitchen persian To be fair, sounds like the money was spent on absolute garbage QOL resources. If they threw it all at hiring more teachers to reduce class sizes, tutors, and after-school programs, there might have been a better outcome (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36313463) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 3:55 PM Author: Flickering pit love of her life "The student-teacher ratio was 12 or 13 to 1, the lowest of any major school district in the country."
From the full report:
"For working parents the district provided all-day kindergarten for youngsters and before- and after-school programs for older students." |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 3:59 PM Author: Swashbuckling kitchen persian welp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36313564) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 5:07 PM Author: Sapphire hissy fit Rich people need to dump billions more into autonomous driving. Living 100 miles away from urban areas is the only way their children can learn in public schools. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36307827) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 5:13 PM Author: big-titted narrow-minded station jewess Rich people don’t use public schools of course (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36307860) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 9:44 AM Author: spectacular ebony hospital (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36311085) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 5:15 PM Author: Gay filthy site I thought they were exaggerating how damaging this is for minorities until they mentioned that kid being forced to go to Penn. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010002&forum_id=2#36307868) |
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Date: June 25th, 2018 5:37 PM Author: bistre charismatic principal's office meanwhile...
some asian girl with an SAT 300 points higher wept over her PENN rejection.
some asian boy 40-50x more qualified was beaten by his parents after missing the entire ivy league.
and some jewish girl bitched at her dad for not being important enough to buy her way in like he said he would.
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what are his "damages" from not getting into one of the magnets? He might be at Yale vs Penn? |
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