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Date: June 26th, 2018 8:08 PM Author: territorial pea-brained lodge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36314911) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 10:27 PM Author: transparent cruise ship candlestick maker Yes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36332121) |
Date: June 26th, 2018 8:08 PM Author: swashbuckling orchestra pit affirmative action no (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36314912) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:31 PM Author: territorial pea-brained lodge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316243) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:33 PM Author: galvanic fiercely-loyal space Yes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316258) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:34 PM Author: Godawful awkward puppy Waste of time to argue about it
Should be legal first trimester then illegal after except when mothers life is at stake or deformities detected |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:34 PM Author: territorial pea-brained lodge non-responsive (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316271) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:35 PM Author: Godawful awkward puppy It's not a relevant label first trimester (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316277) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:44 PM Author: swashbuckling orchestra pit affirmative action You're going to have a hard time convincing me that something that doesn't have and has never had consciousness is entitled to much more than pain avoidance. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316339) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:45 PM Author: territorial pea-brained lodge what does consciousness have to do with it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316348) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:48 PM Author: swashbuckling orchestra pit affirmative action Everything. You don't really care about the treatment of oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, calcium, and phosphorus, do you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316369) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:49 PM Author: territorial pea-brained lodge dont answer my question with a question
what does consciousness have to do with it? |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:53 PM Author: swashbuckling orchestra pit affirmative action Well, Lil' Socrates, it's necessary (but not sufficient) to the qualities that cause humans to be valued as humans. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316413) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 1:15 AM Author: blathering business firm turdskin except its still legally murder if you murk someone who is a vegetable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316809) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:36 PM Author: Azure feces My outlook on this is tied to consciousness. Given what we know about fetal neurological development, a fetus likely achieves rudimentary consciousness sometime around 12 to 14 weeks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331786) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:42 PM Author: swashbuckling orchestra pit affirmative action "Rudimentary consciousness" sounds a lot like "not consciousness" to me in this context. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331834) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:50 PM Author: Trip windowlicker gaming laptop (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331906) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:51 PM Author: Azure feces Well, I'm not surprised in light of your demonstrated ability to conjure up opportunistic idiocy when necessary for your ridiculous lib positions. Regardless, you are a 180 poster, so I won't hold it against you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331917) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:56 PM Author: swashbuckling orchestra pit affirmative action I'm a lib today? When I post about AA, IQ, SJWs, or illegal immigration, I get called a reptile. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331951) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:58 PM Author: Azure feces Bro, I didn't say you were a lib, only that you have ridiculous lib positions from time to time. It's okay, we all have our faults. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331965) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:34 PM Author: Sickened sandwich It should be legal until they're 9 years old. By age 9 you know if they're worth being alive. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331773) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:34 PM Author: fighting macaca home Yes, but it's like eating animals. We don't kill the ones that we can see and that are cute and cuddly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316267) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:35 PM Author: Onyx filthpig depends on the race of the baby (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316274) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:35 PM Author: mind-boggling learning disabled patrolman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316281) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:36 PM Author: Mauve jap locus it is what it is (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316282) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:36 PM Author: Primrose ratface No, it has the same moral implications as picking a scab. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316288) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:50 PM Author: territorial pea-brained lodge why (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316383) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 12:31 AM Author: Primrose ratface Fetus hasn’t developed consciousness & therefore has no “soul.” It’s human cells, but not an independent being, so killing it is of no consequence (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316592) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 12:55 AM Author: Impressive whorehouse brethren my scabs have consciousness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316730) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 1:02 AM Author: Ruddy gas station sneaky criminal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316765) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 1:04 AM Author: walnut mad cow disease kitty At what point precisely do they develop consciousness, Dr. numbdood? Are they conscious the first three months out when they're wholly dependent blobs? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316773) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:25 PM Author: Primrose ratface Nope, likely much later in pregnancy. This is a relatively well researched point, e.g.: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/when-does-consciousness-arise/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331725) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:39 PM Author: Azure feces That article appears to be playing semantic games with the definition of consciousness, applying a much more stringent definition than necessary. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331809) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:56 PM Author: deep psychic skinny woman it's good enough and explains the point he alluded. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331946) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 10:03 PM Author: Azure feces The issue isn't whether it is good enough; it's whether the definition requires more than what is commonly understood to constitute consciousness, thus pushing back the timeframe for when consciousness is achieved. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331995) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 10:01 PM Author: swashbuckling orchestra pit affirmative action There's a really good chance that infants don't cross the threshold, but birth is a good pragmatic bright line. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331991) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 10:04 PM Author: Azure feces If that's the case with your definition of consciousness, I would suggest your definition of consciousness is incorrect. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36332001) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:44 PM Author: Sticky amber resort double fault yes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316343) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:49 PM Author: territorial pea-brained lodge why (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316377) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:46 PM Author: silver lay No (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316354) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:50 PM Author: territorial pea-brained lodge why (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316380) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:32 PM Author: territorial pea-brained lodge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331763) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:46 PM Author: dashing chestnut juggernaut No (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316355) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:50 PM Author: territorial pea-brained lodge why (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316381) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 12:26 AM Author: indecent bat-shit-crazy parlor Sure why not (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316551) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 12:29 AM Author: domesticated station yes. with every single progress in tech as we get closer and closer to the source of the matter, you see what is obviously life from a heartbeat, so on. when abortion became legal, we didn't really know much about life in the womb. we might as well had been using the term quickening with the ridiculous trimester formulations that are arbitrary AF. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316570) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 12:31 AM Author: domesticated station remember, that the entire discourse was around the idea that tech advanced we'd plainly see "it's just cells" but they never thought about a heartbeat in week 6, etc. science advancing actually fucked the pro-abort argument in reverse. the more we know, the more it's obviously a life. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316589) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 12:37 AM Author: thirsty aphrodisiac corner international law enforcement agency (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316631) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 12:31 AM Author: Exciting Codepig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316593) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 12:35 AM Author: contagious low-t reading party rigor No (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316620) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 12:37 AM Author: Bronze bateful brunch I think there's a point when abortion becomes morally wrong, and then separately, a point when abortion actually becomes murder. The former is probably around 5 weeks when the heart starts beating, and the latter around 24 weeks when the fetus would have a shot at surviving outside the womb. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316637) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 12:56 AM Author: comical heaven giraffe (Rick Santorum) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316738) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 12:56 AM Author: comical heaven giraffe no and it should be promoted in conservative communities (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316734) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 12:57 AM Author: walnut mad cow disease kitty Yes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316741) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 12:59 AM Author: comical heaven giraffe (xo2018) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316749) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 1:00 AM Author: walnut mad cow disease kitty I was on PR and thought the same then. I actually probably care less about this (and most things) at this point, though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316754) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 12:59 AM Author: lime potus mother is pulling the plug on a machine dependent vegetable murder? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316751) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 1:00 AM Author: comical heaven giraffe if God tells Republicans it is (through a multimillionaire televangelist) then yes, it is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316755) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 1:01 AM Author: territorial pea-brained lodge really great contributions to this thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316758) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 1:01 AM Author: walnut mad cow disease kitty In most cases no, but that's a poor analogy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316759) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 1:04 AM Author: lime potus mother not a good analogy because it undermines my ideologically motivated illogical beliefs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316777) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 1:06 AM Author: walnut mad cow disease kitty Time to go back to reddit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316784) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 1:08 AM Author: lime potus mother dat dere uh "miscarriage" is a uhh...involuntary homicide! i say i say i do declare it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316794) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 1:15 AM Author: walnut mad cow disease kitty That's ridiculous. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316814) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 1:30 AM Author: lime potus mother how often does god talk to you bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316870) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 2:11 AM Author: walnut mad cow disease kitty He doesn't that I know of - I'm not a believer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316964) |
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Date: June 29th, 2018 8:03 AM Author: transparent cruise ship candlestick maker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36333494) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 1:00 AM Author: fragrant private investor if i admit it's murder, can i also say that it's a type of murder you should be allowed to commit? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316757) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 7:04 PM Author: swashbuckling orchestra pit affirmative action Sure. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36323411) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:51 PM Author: Trip windowlicker gaming laptop (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331913) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 1:03 AM Author: Ruddy gas station sneaky criminal Depends on the trimester and how feasible it is for the fetus to survive outside of the womb on its own
First trimester -no
Second trimester - maybe
Third trimester - yes |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 10:14 PM Author: slate multi-colored boltzmann cuckold See Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113 (1973) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36332044) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 1:06 AM Author: Shimmering locale it's a killing but not unlawful. you're defending yourself against that fetus that wants to take all your money and eventually bring black guys over to your house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316785) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 1:12 AM Author: silver lay I can't believe it. We'r,e in agreement. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316799) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 1:17 AM Author: Supple orchid stead dragon Not always, but the average woman isn't capable of determining that; she's not smart enough to play God. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316823) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 6:49 PM Author: Beady-eyed public bath Yes. Babies born as early as 23 weeks have an astoundingly good chance of surviving now. If the baby can live outside the womb when you abort it, how is it anything but murder? I would still allow abortion in the first trimester, but after that you are a baby-killer in my mind. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36323293) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:19 PM Author: territorial pea-brained lodge hmmm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331682) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:38 PM Author: swashbuckling orchestra pit affirmative action I don't see how the hypothetical world or the state of technology matters.
If we're eventually able to clone a human in a lab, starting only with sperm cells, will jacking off be murder, too? |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 10:16 PM Author: slate multi-colored boltzmann cuckold How much are you willing to personally contribute in taxes to makes sure this fetus has nutrition, education and prison? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36332060) |
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Date: June 29th, 2018 7:55 AM Author: transparent cruise ship candlestick maker About as much as I’m currently contributing for 1/3rd of El Salvador to have these things dipshit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36333477) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:21 PM Author: exhilarant plum house Obviously. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331695) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:29 PM Author: territorial pea-brained lodge Is aborting a one week old fetus an equal moral wrong to killing a person who has been born (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331745) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:44 PM Author: exhilarant plum house It probably doesn't show the same level of depravity, but I wouldn't consider them drastically different in moral terms. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331850) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:45 PM Author: territorial pea-brained lodge If a girl aborted your child what would you do (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331864) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 10:12 PM Author: exhilarant plum house Regard her as a murderer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36332037) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:48 PM Author: swashbuckling orchestra pit affirmative action Tell me why I should care about a one-week-old fetus (because I don't, not even a little).
Edit: For comparison, a fetus is about 32 cells at four weeks. |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 10:14 PM Author: exhilarant plum house Because it's a human being an a person, duh. I don't think this is very complex. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36332047) |
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Date: June 29th, 2018 1:54 AM Author: swashbuckling orchestra pit affirmative action Why should I care just because it's a human?
I, like the vast majority of people, don't care much at all about some humans (e.g., mass murdering terrorists). Some human lives are worth more than others.
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