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University of Minnesota proposes tranny pronoun policy

Keep it up, libs! http://m.startribune.com/index.php/he-s...
rose spot sweet tailpipe
  07/15/18
“We are literally requesting of people to be respectful of p...
slippery market
  07/15/18
"the U’s Gender and Sexuality Center for Queer and Tran...
rose spot sweet tailpipe
  07/15/18
anyone who can't see that this is textbook 1984 speak is ret...
walnut diverse university persian
  07/15/18
This is literally what made Jordan Peterson famous
Boyish principal's office
  07/15/18
what happens when the somalis refuse? shitlibs explode?
motley giraffe set
  07/15/18
This would have been in the Onion ten years ago.
Stirring low-t roast beef
  07/15/18
I will just call everyone "creature" from now on, ...
rose spot sweet tailpipe
  07/15/18
I identify as a non-creature, you bigot.
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duck-like bull headed sanctuary
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Um, he very clearly identifies as CISbigot, you asshole
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Fuck. Minefields everywhere.
Excitant national stock car
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only way to win is to get them b4 they get u, he who narcs f...
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cocky big-titted locus
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This policy does not ensure my right to use whichever pronou...
duck-like bull headed sanctuary
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I find pronouns to be dehumanizing. I have a name. Use it. E...
Excitant national stock car
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I’m proud of the university for taking steps like this,” sai...
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In a sane world, someone like her would never be normalized....
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wtf THIS https://cla.umn.edu/sites/cla.umn.edu/files/styles/...
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  07/16/18
looks like a man parodying a Minnesota mom.
Coral Mediation
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CR, like a cast member from Church Basement Ladies.
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Mrs. Doubtfire.
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I now identify as a lesbian. Pls ensure my female roommate i...
histrionic jap
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cool my preferred pronouns are nig, nigga, and nigger.
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make no mistake....Rach wants to bring this policy to XO
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Date: July 15th, 2018 4:41 PM
Author: rose spot sweet tailpipe

Keep it up, libs!

http://m.startribune.com/index.php/he-she-or-ze-pronouns-could-pose-trouble-under-u-campus-policy

Minneapolis

He, she or ze? Pronouns could pose trouble under University of Minnesota campus policy

By Maura Lerner , Star Tribune

July 14, 2018 - 11:11 PM

Using the wrong pronoun could turn into a firing offense at the University of Minnesota.

The U is considering a new “gender identity” policy that would assure transgender men and women, as well as others, the right to use whatever pronoun they wish on campus — whether it’s he, she, “ze” or something else.

And everyone from professors to classmates would be expected to call them by the right words or risk potential disciplinary action, up to firing or expulsion.

The pronoun rule is just one of the proposed changes in a draft U policy that, advocates say, would bar harassment and discrimination against transgender and “gender nonconforming” individuals. It’s designed, in part, to combat an indignity known as misgendering — when someone is called by a name or personal pronoun they no longer use.

So far, the proposal has attracted relatively little attention on campus. But some faculty and students are raising concerns that the U, for all its good intentions, is trying to police what people say.

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“To me, it’s a bridge too far to cross for a person to tell me I have to say something … and if I don’t, I can be punished,” said sophomore Michael Geiger, a marketing major from New Prague, who is one of the campus leaders of Students for a Conservative Voice. “There’s a difference between creating a healthy environment and trying to legislate insensitivity out of the U.”

University officials insist that the policy, which has been described as one of the most ambitious of its kind in the country, is still a work in progress and will likely undergo revisions before it’s approved.

But an early draft, which began circulating on campus this year, “just set off the free speech alarms immediately,” said Joseph Konstan, a computer science professor and chair of the Faculty Consultative Committee.

“I don’t think it’s a controversial idea that people should be addressed as they prefer to be addressed,” he said. “Where it becomes controversial is where you move from being about good behavior … into a disciplinary matter.”

Locker rooms and roommates

The pronoun rule isn’t the only potentially contentious issue in the proposed policy. Among other things, it would also give individuals the right to access men’s or women’s locker rooms, recreational activities and housing based on their self-identified gender, rather than their biology. Konstan said he’s heard concerns about how that might affect roommate assignments, for example.

“Being welcoming and respectful to everyone is a wonderful goal,” he said. But “do we allow a student to say we won’t room with somebody who was born with a different gender?”

University officials say that many of the details have yet to be worked out.

“The intent is to be able to create more access and an inclusive environment for all of our community members regardless of their gender identity,” said Gabrielle Mead, assistant director of the U’s Equal Opportunity and Affirmative Action office, which would oversee the new policy. But since the proposal is still in draft form, she said, “I don’t think I’m prepared to talk about the specifics of what would be permitted and not at this stage.”

Some are cheering the proposal as a welcome change.

“I’m proud of the university for taking steps like this,” said Melissa Harl Sellew, an associate professor of classical and Near Eastern studies, who is transgender. “It’s a good step in the direction of just normalizing someone like me.” Sellew, who has taught at the U since 1984, said that her colleagues have treated her “splendidly” since her gender transition in 2016.

But she said pronoun use can be an especially sensitive subject for transgender men and women, as well as those who reject traditional gender labels.

“I have friends who really want me to refer to them as ‘they’ because they don’t strongly feel male or female,” she said. “They tell you it’s really affirming when you’re called by the correct pronouns, and it’s really saddening when you’re not.”

Pronouns have become a hot topic on college campuses in recent years, as schools have become attuned to the ever-changing labels in the LGBTQ community. In some classes and student gatherings, it’s become routine to ask individuals to introduce themselves by name and pronoun.

Just last month, the U officially gave students a list of pronouns and gender options on its online registration website, MyU. If they choose, they can identify themselves as male, female, agender, gender nonconforming, genderqueer, nonbinary or two spirit, or skip the gender question entirely. Pronoun options include he, she, ze, the singular “they,” none and “prefer not to specify.”

Request for respect

Ahmad Qais Munhazim, a graduate student who helped draft the new policy, said that “misgendering” happens all too often, and that this is a way to educate people to get the pronouns right.

“We are literally requesting of people to be respectful of people’s very basic identities,” said Munhazim, who previously led the U’s Gender and Sexuality Center for Queer and Trans Life. “When you introduce any change in the language, there’s always a pushback at the very beginning until they get used to it.”

Jessica Schalz, another campus advocate, said that students who have switched gender identities often lack the “leveraging power” to challenge professors who call them by their old names or pronouns. “So I am absolutely thrilled to see this as an administrative policy,” she said. “This [is] something we can take back and show our professors.”

But Jane Kirtley, a U professor of media ethics and law, sees the pronoun rule as a risky proposition. “Suppose you slip up and just accidentally use the wrong one. Is that harassment or discrimination?” she asked. “Does everybody get one free pass and after that, it’s harassment?”

Personally, she said, “I don’t have an issue calling a student by a name that she or he or ze prefers.” But “looking at the proposal policy with a lawyer’s eyes, I am concerned … I frankly do not see how they could enforce something like this.”

Sellew, though, says she doubts anyone would be punished for a mere slip of the tongue. “Heavens no,” she said. “I don’t [think] you’re going to get fired the first time you call Melissa ‘he.’ Maybe the 40th time, if you’re doing it loudly and publicly and brazenly, you might get in trouble. I hope so.”

Mead, whose office would be charged with enforcing the policy, declined to speculate on what might trigger disciplinary action against a student or employee, except to say it would “really depend on the circumstances.”

For now, she said, the U plans to seek additional feedback this fall, including a 30-day public comment period, before any policy is approved.

“We want to make sure that we are getting all of those different perspectives,” she said. “We’re not going to push it through if we still have some big issues to work through.”

Rilyn Eischens, a graduate of the University of Minnesota journalism school, contributed to this report.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36431795)



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Date: July 15th, 2018 5:05 PM
Author: slippery market

“We are literally requesting of people to be respectful of people’s very basic identities,” said Munhazim, who previously led the U’s Gender and Sexuality Center for Queer and Trans Life.

LITERALLY REQUESTING at the threat of discipline

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36431922)



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Date: July 15th, 2018 5:39 PM
Author: rose spot sweet tailpipe

"the U’s Gender and Sexuality Center for Queer and Trans Life"

Mind-boggling that such a thing even exists.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36432067)



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Date: July 15th, 2018 8:27 PM
Author: walnut diverse university persian

anyone who can't see that this is textbook 1984 speak is retarded

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36432868)



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Date: July 15th, 2018 5:05 PM
Author: Boyish principal's office

This is literally what made Jordan Peterson famous

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36431928)



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Date: July 15th, 2018 5:05 PM
Author: motley giraffe set

what happens when the somalis refuse? shitlibs explode?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36431931)



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Date: July 15th, 2018 5:06 PM
Author: Stirring low-t roast beef

This would have been in the Onion ten years ago.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36431932)



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Date: July 15th, 2018 5:41 PM
Author: rose spot sweet tailpipe

I will just call everyone "creature" from now on, since we're all creatures.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36432080)



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Date: July 15th, 2018 5:49 PM
Author: Excitant national stock car

I identify as a non-creature, you bigot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36432122)



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Date: July 15th, 2018 5:49 PM
Author: duck-like bull headed sanctuary



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Date: July 15th, 2018 8:32 PM
Author: mentally impaired bawdyhouse

Um, he very clearly identifies as CISbigot, you asshole

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36432907)



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Date: July 16th, 2018 9:04 PM
Author: Excitant national stock car

Fuck. Minefields everywhere.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36440823)



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Date: July 16th, 2018 9:14 PM
Author: Idiotic ratface

only way to win is to get them b4 they get u, he who narcs first lives to narc again

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36440861)



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Date: July 15th, 2018 5:48 PM
Author: Excitant national stock car

"I don't think it's a controversial idea that people should be addressed as they prefer to be addressed,"

THIRD PERSON PRONOUNS

Half this debate is fucking retarded because PEOPLE IN COLLEGE don't know what a third person pronoun is.

Even opponents get it wrong.

You don't address a person by that person's third person pronouns. That's what second person pronouns (e.g., "you") are for, WHICH ARE GENDER NEUTRAL IN ENGLISH.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36432121)



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Date: July 15th, 2018 8:20 PM
Author: maroon cuckoldry piazza



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Date: July 15th, 2018 8:22 PM
Author: cocky big-titted locus



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Date: July 15th, 2018 5:49 PM
Author: duck-like bull headed sanctuary

This policy does not ensure my right to use whichever pronoun I want.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36432124)



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Date: July 15th, 2018 6:25 PM
Author: Excitant national stock car

I find pronouns to be dehumanizing. I have a name. Use it. Every. Time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36432316)



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Date: July 15th, 2018 5:57 PM
Author: salmon juggernaut indian lodge

It's a public school. Won't survive the inevitable 1A challenge by FIRE

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36432160)



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Date: July 15th, 2018 6:27 PM
Author: Marvelous abode



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Date: July 15th, 2018 6:26 PM
Author: Excitant national stock car

"Can you describe the suspect?"

"No. The suspect did not reveal the suspect's preferred third person pronouns."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36432319)



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Date: July 15th, 2018 8:14 PM
Author: Boyish principal's office

Underrated

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Date: July 16th, 2018 9:15 PM
Author: Idiotic ratface



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Date: July 17th, 2018 1:16 AM
Author: awkward trump supporter



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Date: July 15th, 2018 8:10 PM
Author: rose spot sweet tailpipe



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Date: July 15th, 2018 8:11 PM
Author: Turquoise headpube house



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Date: July 15th, 2018 8:28 PM
Author: galvanic burgundy point indirect expression



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Date: July 16th, 2018 9:04 PM
Author: Comical church karate



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Date: July 16th, 2018 9:15 PM
Author: Idiotic ratface



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Date: July 20th, 2018 10:42 PM
Author: Medicated affirmative action digit ratio



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Date: July 20th, 2018 10:43 PM
Author: sticky lodge



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Date: July 20th, 2018 10:54 PM
Author: submissive obsidian dragon



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Date: July 15th, 2018 8:17 PM
Author: Boyish principal's office

http://m.startribune.com/he-she-or-ze-pronouns-could-pose-trouble-under-u-campus-policy/488197021/

OPs link broke

This isn’t fake

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36432798)



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Date: July 15th, 2018 8:19 PM
Author: cocky big-titted locus



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Date: July 16th, 2018 9:03 PM
Author: rose spot sweet tailpipe



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Date: July 16th, 2018 9:09 PM
Author: histrionic jap

I’m proud of the university for taking steps like this,” said Melissa Harl Sellew, an associate professor of classical and Near Eastern studies, who is transgender. “It’s a good step in the direction of just normalizing someone like me.” Sellew, who has taught at the U since 1984, said that her colleagues have treated her “splendidly” since her gender transition in 2016.

Oh what a scholar!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36440837)



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Date: July 16th, 2018 9:17 PM
Author: aromatic pervert

In a sane world, someone like her would never be normalized. But in lib carnival world, up is down, wrong is right

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36440877)



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Date: July 16th, 2018 9:18 PM
Author: Violent charismatic private investor

wtf THIS https://cla.umn.edu/sites/cla.umn.edu/files/styles/profile_image/public/externals/e7ceecfea1aafcb979535103f45acd07.jpg?itok=v7bqgePI "transgender" person is a bible scholar

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Date: July 16th, 2018 9:23 PM
Author: Coral Mediation

looks like a man parodying a Minnesota mom.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36440908)



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Date: July 16th, 2018 9:29 PM
Author: rose spot sweet tailpipe

CR, like a cast member from Church Basement Ladies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36440950)



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Date: July 17th, 2018 2:54 AM
Author: Excitant national stock car

Mrs. Doubtfire.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36442807)



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Date: July 16th, 2018 9:09 PM
Author: histrionic jap

I now identify as a lesbian. Pls ensure my female roommate is hot. Thx

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36440843)



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Date: July 16th, 2018 9:21 PM
Author: Coral Mediation

cool my preferred pronouns are nig, nigga, and nigger.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36440901)



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Date: July 16th, 2018 9:25 PM
Author: Boyish principal's office

Cr

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Date: July 17th, 2018 1:22 AM
Author: 180 brilliant prole theatre

"I can't believe so many bigots have a problem with this" said the millennial "anarchist".

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36442512)



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Date: July 17th, 2018 1:31 AM
Author: insanely creepy ceo reading party

make no mistake....Rach wants to bring this policy to XO

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36442553)



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Date: July 17th, 2018 3:40 AM
Author: vigorous plum internal respiration

This could lead to some 180 trolling:

Mr. Drunkard ....

My preferred pronoun is lord. Lord Drunkard.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36442837)



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Date: July 17th, 2018 3:41 AM
Author: black telephone chad



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