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Manafort Judge: "Reasonable doubt is a doubt based on reason". Error?

is this instructional error? >>Third, they asked if...
Gold azn
  08/16/18
You seem like an idiot who should probably self-castrate to ...
electric weed whacker
  08/17/18
u seem angry and oriental
Gold azn
  08/17/18
Sorry bout your tiny pink intellect, bro
electric weed whacker
  08/17/18
This is probably true but he’s not wrong
razzle private investor
  08/17/18
quick googling and found this 4th cir en banc op: http://...
Gold azn
  08/16/18
"There is probably no harm in telling the jury, as some...
Adventurous corn cake macaca
  08/16/18
why go to the scholarly sweets from 57 years ago when we hav...
Gold azn
  08/16/18
I just liked the tone, "there's probably no harm."
Adventurous corn cake macaca
  08/16/18
Dicta is not binding precedent. Please don't talk again.
electric weed whacker
  08/17/18
reasoning necessary to decide the case isnt dicta
Gold azn
  08/17/18
Serious question: Are you a 0L?
electric weed whacker
  08/17/18
u sound like a 1L, lisping about whether something is dicta ...
Gold azn
  08/17/18
"The doubt that prevents one from being firmly convince...
Adventurous corn cake macaca
  08/16/18
there's a plenty of case law that a technically correct stat...
Gold azn
  08/16/18
especially if it hurts the state's chances
Claret titillating location halford
  08/17/18
This was the definition I worked with in state court.
Pink Pisswyrm
  08/16/18
is a jury instruction on reasonable doubt ever given
glittery associate
  08/16/18
varies. see pp.5-6 of the 4th cir opinion i poasted. depends...
Gold azn
  08/16/18
usually, IME
Lascivious lavender marketing idea
  08/16/18
a doubt based on reason? holy fuck, who doesn't have even s...
bearded honey-headed lettuce
  08/16/18
the more i think about it, "doubt based on reason"...
Gold azn
  08/16/18
this. judge fucked prosbros up
confused cuckoldry
  08/16/18
that's what prosbros want. If you want to walk the guy, it ...
Pink Pisswyrm
  08/16/18
Nope, the jury has a right to nullify if they think he is on...
embarrassed to the bone gay senate half-breed
  08/17/18
This is literally the most retarded thing on the Internet. ...
electric weed whacker
  08/17/18
"Economists assume that everyone is rational."
cyan hell
  08/16/18
...
flirting sepia puppy tanning salon
  08/16/18
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self-absorbed nudist step-uncle's house deer antler
  08/16/18
low iq schtick? the question is whether the trial judge comm...
Gold azn
  08/16/18
...
self-absorbed nudist step-uncle's house deer antler
  08/16/18
i didn't know whether there was an objection or not. if ther...
Gold azn
  08/16/18
...
self-absorbed nudist step-uncle's house deer antler
  08/16/18
protip: the case helps my argument but isn't so helpful that...
Gold azn
  08/16/18
google "plain error"
Pink Pisswyrm
  08/16/18
did u respond to the wrong poast? we're talking about whethe...
Gold azn
  08/16/18
point stands. after googling it, understand how it works whe...
Pink Pisswyrm
  08/16/18
i understand how it works. this is all academic and the inte...
Gold azn
  08/16/18
Sounds like you don't.
Pink Pisswyrm
  08/16/18
Titcr
electric weed whacker
  08/17/18
why did you delete your poasts?
Gold azn
  08/17/18
did you pwn his ass?
Motley Pit Dopamine
  08/17/18
he was just being a total faggot and trying to start shit wh...
Gold azn
  08/17/18
that's discerning cocksman
Jet Library Keepsake Machete
  08/17/18
lmao. sure thing DBG
self-absorbed nudist step-uncle's house deer antler
  08/17/18
...
self-absorbed nudist step-uncle's house deer antler
  08/17/18
lol wut
Motley Pit Dopamine
  08/17/18
anyone who knows my job gets that, and several dozens of pos...
self-absorbed nudist step-uncle's house deer antler
  08/17/18
dont even know who u are. what details of your job were p...
Gold azn
  08/17/18
If there's one thing I've learned, it's that the amalgamatio...
self-absorbed nudist step-uncle's house deer antler
  08/17/18
i get that and this boart is full of crazies, but not sure h...
Gold azn
  08/17/18
also, fwiw, I think you made good points itt. I still think...
self-absorbed nudist step-uncle's house deer antler
  08/17/18
yeah, it's an interesting issue. i didnt realize there was s...
Gold azn
  08/17/18
Lmfao
federal slate rigpig dragon
  08/17/18
LOL too late, ur thoughts on the nuances of reasonable doubt...
Magical idiotic business firm
  08/17/18
...
Gold azn
  08/17/18
LJL he didn't even say it has to be a good reason
Low-t jade athletic conference indian lodge
  08/16/18
yeah, i think it's more harmful to the USA. but arguably an ...
Gold azn
  08/16/18
Lol ellis wasnt even being subtle
laughsome swollen meetinghouse
  08/16/18
judge shouldn't have said shit if the dumbass jury can't fi...
Sapphire school cafeteria
  08/16/18
https://twitter.com/ShimonPro/status/1030454995861295104
Disgusting Boltzmann
  08/17/18
sounds correct
Jet Library Keepsake Machete
  08/17/18
To be fair, the defense presented no witnesses, not even exp...
Cerebral cruise ship trust fund
  08/17/18
but they had to bring up doubts in the government's case in ...
Claret titillating location halford
  08/17/18
Judge just clarified reasonable doubt: "There are re...
Big telephone scourge upon the earth
  08/17/18
...
Magical idiotic business firm
  08/17/18
...
flirting sepia puppy tanning salon
  08/17/18
Did he make a list of his own reasonable doubts about Manafo...
Umber Domesticated Area Candlestick Maker
  08/17/18
not a bad idea
Big telephone scourge upon the earth
  08/17/18
...
curious knife
  08/17/18
...
vivacious national security agency
  08/18/18
reasonable reason, actually
federal slate rigpig dragon
  08/17/18
NY Jury Instruction
electric weed whacker
  08/17/18
trial is in EDVa bro
Gold azn
  08/17/18
CA Jury Instruction
electric weed whacker
  08/17/18
VA Jury Instruction
electric weed whacker
  08/17/18


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Date: August 16th, 2018 9:16 PM
Author: Gold azn

is this instructional error?

>>Third, they asked if the judge could "redefine reasonable doubt." Jurors sometimes struggle with what constitutes a reasonable doubt of someone's guilt, versus an unreasonable doubt. The judge told them reasonable doubt "is a doubt based on reason," but added: "The government is not required to prove guilt beyond all possible doubt."



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36629950)



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Date: August 17th, 2018 7:02 PM
Author: electric weed whacker

You seem like an idiot who should probably self-castrate to prevent propagation of your imbecility to future generations.

XOXO

HTFH

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36635511)



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Date: August 17th, 2018 7:03 PM
Author: Gold azn

u seem angry and oriental

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36635523)



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Date: August 17th, 2018 7:05 PM
Author: electric weed whacker

Sorry bout your tiny pink intellect, bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36635539)



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Date: August 17th, 2018 7:46 PM
Author: razzle private investor

This is probably true but he’s not wrong

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36635795)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 9:17 PM
Author: Gold azn

quick googling and found this 4th cir en banc op:

http://www.ca4.uscourts.gov/opinions/974498.P.pdf

The rationale behind this rule is "our belief that efforts to define

reasonable doubt are likely to confuse rather than clarify the concept.

. . ." United States v. Williams, 152 F.3d 294, 298 (4th Cir. 1998). We

are convinced "that the term reasonable doubt has a self-evident

meaning comprehensible to the lay juror which judicial efforts to

define generally do more to obscure than to illuminate." United States

v. Headspeth, 852 F.2d 753, 755 (4th Cir. 1988) (citation omitted)

This rationale is challenged when, as in the present case, a jury specifically

requests a definition of reasonable doubt. We understand that

when a jury specifically requests a definition of reasonable doubt during

deliberations, there is a risk that the jury may be confused over

what standard of proof to apply in a criminal case. At the same time,

we also appreciate the constitutionally-mandated importance of the

reasonable doubt standard in a criminal trial. See In re Winship, 397

U.S. 358, 362 (1970) ("Expressions in many opinions of this Court

indicate that it has long been assumed that proof of a criminal charge

beyond a reasonable doubt is constitutionally required."). Nevertheless,

we remain convinced that attempting to explain the words "beyond

a reasonable doubt" is more dangerous than leaving a jury to

wrestle with only the words themselves.7

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36629956)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 9:22 PM
Author: Adventurous corn cake macaca

"There is probably no harm in telling the jury, as some judges do, that a reasonable doubt is one for which a sensible reason can be supplied." Glanville Williams, Criminal Law: The General Part 873 (2d ed. 1961).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36629992)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 9:24 PM
Author: Gold azn

why go to the scholarly sweets from 57 years ago when we have binding circuit precedent on point?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36630003)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 9:37 PM
Author: Adventurous corn cake macaca

I just liked the tone, "there's probably no harm."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36630111)



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Date: August 17th, 2018 7:04 PM
Author: electric weed whacker

Dicta is not binding precedent. Please don't talk again.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36635530)



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Date: August 17th, 2018 7:07 PM
Author: Gold azn

reasoning necessary to decide the case isnt dicta



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36635562)



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Date: August 17th, 2018 7:45 PM
Author: electric weed whacker

Serious question:

Are you a 0L?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36635779)



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Date: August 17th, 2018 7:57 PM
Author: Gold azn

u sound like a 1L, lisping about whether something is dicta or not.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36635872)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 9:23 PM
Author: Adventurous corn cake macaca

"The doubt that prevents one from being firmly convinced of a defendant's guilt, or the belief that there is a real possibility that a defendant is not guilty." REASONABLE DOUBT, Black's Law Dictionary (10th ed. 2014)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36629996)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 9:25 PM
Author: Gold azn

there's a plenty of case law that a technically correct statement of the law isn't necessarily an acceptable jury instruction.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36630011)



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Date: August 17th, 2018 6:15 PM
Author: Claret titillating location halford

especially if it hurts the state's chances

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36635155)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 11:08 PM
Author: Pink Pisswyrm

This was the definition I worked with in state court.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36630633)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 9:26 PM
Author: glittery associate

is a jury instruction on reasonable doubt ever given

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36630016)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 9:27 PM
Author: Gold azn

varies. see pp.5-6 of the 4th cir opinion i poasted. depends on the state / circuit, and there's wide variation whether one must be given, shouldnt be given, is disfavored, etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36630024)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 10:17 PM
Author: Lascivious lavender marketing idea

usually, IME

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36630321)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 9:26 PM
Author: bearded honey-headed lettuce

a doubt based on reason? holy fuck, who doesn't have even some of those for basically ironclad shit

he walks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36630017)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 9:29 PM
Author: Gold azn

the more i think about it, "doubt based on reason" is kinda more harmful to the prosecutor. it's much worse than say, the black's def quoted itt.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36630044)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 10:52 PM
Author: confused cuckoldry

this. judge fucked prosbros up

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36630531)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 11:14 PM
Author: Pink Pisswyrm

that's what prosbros want. If you want to walk the guy, it has to be for some no bullshit, non-speculative reason based on the evidence. Guess, what? There a dump trump full of documents showing the motherfucker committed the crime. So your oath requires conviction.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36630678)



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Date: August 17th, 2018 8:20 AM
Author: embarrassed to the bone gay senate half-breed

Nope, the jury has a right to nullify if they think he is only being prosecuted for political reasons. That’s what I’d do.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36631697)



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Date: August 17th, 2018 5:52 PM
Author: electric weed whacker

This is literally the most retarded thing on the Internet. Congratulations.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36635073)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 9:29 PM
Author: cyan hell

"Economists assume that everyone is rational."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36630041)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 9:33 PM
Author: flirting sepia puppy tanning salon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36630076)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 9:38 PM
Author: self-absorbed nudist step-uncle's house deer antler



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36630115)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 9:40 PM
Author: Gold azn

low iq schtick? the question is whether the trial judge committed instructional error in responding to the jury's question, not whether he should have given a reasonable doubt definition in the first place

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36630132)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 10:13 PM
Author: self-absorbed nudist step-uncle's house deer antler



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36630306)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 10:22 PM
Author: Gold azn

i didn't know whether there was an objection or not. if there wasn't, yes, it's waived (unless it there's some alternative way to attack it like habeas/IAC) and it's just academic to discuss whether it's instructional error.

never said the opinion stands for the proposition i'm supporting. the opinion contains language recognizing that there could be error in this situation, and that the judge is treading in deep water if the jury asks and he gives an instruction.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36630352)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 10:48 PM
Author: self-absorbed nudist step-uncle's house deer antler



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36630511)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 11:10 PM
Author: Gold azn

protip: the case helps my argument but isn't so helpful that it stands for the proposition i support.

you seem unable to get this distinction.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36630644)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 11:15 PM
Author: Pink Pisswyrm

google "plain error"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36630685)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 11:22 PM
Author: Gold azn

did u respond to the wrong poast? we're talking about whether there was an error in the first place.

anyway, i think this sort of error is pretty clearly reversible IF there is an error AND there was no waiver. an instructional error on the burden of proving reasonable doubt is going to be prejudicial -- is it possibly structural / reversible per se?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36630728)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 11:26 PM
Author: Pink Pisswyrm

point stands. after googling it, understand how it works when there was no objection, much less agreement, at the trial court

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36630749)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 11:31 PM
Author: Gold azn

i understand how it works. this is all academic and the interesting Q is whether there was error

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36630764)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 11:35 PM
Author: Pink Pisswyrm

Sounds like you don't.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36630788)



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Date: August 17th, 2018 8:09 PM
Author: electric weed whacker

Titcr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36635929)



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Date: August 17th, 2018 10:57 AM
Author: Gold azn

why did you delete your poasts?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36632261)



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Date: August 17th, 2018 11:06 AM
Author: Motley Pit Dopamine

did you pwn his ass?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36632318)



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Date: August 17th, 2018 11:08 AM
Author: Gold azn

he was just being a total faggot and trying to start shit when we basically were saying the same thing and agreed on everything.

have no idea who this poaster is.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36632327)



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Date: August 17th, 2018 11:11 AM
Author: Jet Library Keepsake Machete

that's discerning cocksman

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36632353)



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Date: August 17th, 2018 5:48 PM
Author: self-absorbed nudist step-uncle's house deer antler

lmao. sure thing DBG

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36635046)



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Date: August 17th, 2018 5:47 PM
Author: self-absorbed nudist step-uncle's house deer antler



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36635038)



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Date: August 17th, 2018 5:50 PM
Author: Motley Pit Dopamine

lol wut

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36635056)



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Date: August 17th, 2018 6:35 PM
Author: self-absorbed nudist step-uncle's house deer antler

anyone who knows my job gets that, and several dozens of posters here know exactly where I work. Considering the crazies, I'm surprised you think it's insane to want to hide details of what specialization I have at my job

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36635247)



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Date: August 17th, 2018 6:38 PM
Author: Gold azn

dont even know who u are.

what details of your job were poasted here? none

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36635279)



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Date: August 17th, 2018 6:40 PM
Author: self-absorbed nudist step-uncle's house deer antler

If there's one thing I've learned, it's that the amalgamation of breadcrumbs dropped unwittingly can lead to outting. Considering my full name has been posted on the board before, more than once, I don't think this is unreasonable

Happy to talk off the board about this specifically.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36635306)



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Date: August 17th, 2018 6:44 PM
Author: Gold azn

i get that and this boart is full of crazies, but not sure how ur thoughts on reasonable doubt imply anything but i see ur point.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36635350)



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Date: August 17th, 2018 6:43 PM
Author: self-absorbed nudist step-uncle's house deer antler

also, fwiw, I think you made good points itt. I still think it's waived, but the instructional issue is interesting. Nothing flips a case faster than bad instructions.

I was surprised to find that there's no pattern instructions in this circuit when I went looking for them

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36635333)



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Date: August 17th, 2018 6:46 PM
Author: Gold azn

yeah, it's an interesting issue. i didnt realize there was such a split of authority -- some circuits have a pattern instruction on reasonable doubt, others say a reasonable doubt instruction shouldn't even be given.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36635362)



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Date: August 17th, 2018 5:53 PM
Author: federal slate rigpig dragon

Lmfao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36635077)



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Date: August 17th, 2018 6:34 PM
Author: Magical idiotic business firm

LOL too late, ur thoughts on the nuances of reasonable doubt definitions wrt jury instructions and error are instantly recognizable. I know exactly who you are

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36635243)



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Date: August 17th, 2018 6:37 PM
Author: Gold azn



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Date: August 16th, 2018 9:39 PM
Author: Low-t jade athletic conference indian lodge

LJL he didn't even say it has to be a good reason

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36630127)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 9:41 PM
Author: Gold azn

yeah, i think it's more harmful to the USA. but arguably an error.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36630139)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 10:25 PM
Author: laughsome swollen meetinghouse

Lol ellis wasnt even being subtle

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36630382)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 10:58 PM
Author: Sapphire school cafeteria

judge shouldn't have said shit

if the dumbass jury can't figure out "reasonable doubt" then there's not much he can say to help them

100% of the time i've seen juries have questions, the judges answer is basically "decide only on the evidence in front of you" or "re-read the jury instructions"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36630569)



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Date: August 17th, 2018 11:05 AM
Author: Disgusting Boltzmann

https://twitter.com/ShimonPro/status/1030454995861295104

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36632312)



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Date: August 17th, 2018 11:11 AM
Author: Jet Library Keepsake Machete

sounds correct

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36632349)



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Date: August 17th, 2018 5:55 PM
Author: Cerebral cruise ship trust fund

To be fair, the defense presented no witnesses, not even expert. The prosecution is basically resting it case on the documents alone. The jury has to do a lot of heavy lifting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36635086)



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Date: August 17th, 2018 6:17 PM
Author: Claret titillating location halford

but they had to bring up doubts in the government's case in closing argument

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36635165)



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Date: August 17th, 2018 6:21 PM
Author: Big telephone scourge upon the earth

Judge just clarified reasonable doubt:

"There are reasonable doubts and unreasonable ones. An unreasonable doubt would be to wonder if an alien committed the crime. A reasonable one, on the other hand, would be if Rick Gates did it."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36635176)



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Date: August 17th, 2018 6:36 PM
Author: Magical idiotic business firm



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36635254)



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Date: August 17th, 2018 7:00 PM
Author: flirting sepia puppy tanning salon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36635490)



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Date: August 17th, 2018 7:07 PM
Author: Umber Domesticated Area Candlestick Maker

Did he make a list of his own reasonable doubts about Manafort’s guilt so they’d at least have something to work from?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36635556)



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Date: August 17th, 2018 10:17 PM
Author: Big telephone scourge upon the earth

not a bad idea

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36636488)



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Date: August 17th, 2018 7:49 PM
Author: curious knife



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36635813)



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Date: August 18th, 2018 4:32 AM
Author: vivacious national security agency



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36637541)



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Date: August 17th, 2018 7:47 PM
Author: federal slate rigpig dragon

reasonable reason, actually

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36635796)



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Date: August 17th, 2018 7:58 PM
Author: electric weed whacker
Subject: NY Jury Instruction

The law uses the term, "proof beyond a reasonable doubt," to tell you how convincing the evidence of guilt must be to permit a verdict of guilty.14 The law recognizes that, in dealing with human affairs, there are very few things in this world that we know with absolute certainty. Therefore, the law does not require the People to prove a defendant guilty beyond all possible doubt.15 On the other hand, it is not sufficient to prove that the defendant is probably guilty.16 In a criminal case, the proof of guilt must be stronger than that.17 It must be beyond a reasonable doubt.18

A reasonable doubt is an honest doubt of the defendant's guilt for which a reason exists based upon the nature and quality of the evidence.19 It is an actual doubt, not an imaginary doubt.20 It is a doubt that a reasonable person, acting in a matter of this importance, would be likely to entertain because of the evidence that was presented or because of the lack of convincing evidence.21

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36635875)



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Date: August 17th, 2018 8:00 PM
Author: Gold azn

trial is in EDVa bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36635890)



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Date: August 17th, 2018 8:01 PM
Author: electric weed whacker
Subject: CA Jury Instruction

Proof beyond a reasonable doubt is proof that leaves you with anabiding conviction that the charge is true. The evidence need noteliminate all possible doubt because everything in life is open to somepossible or imaginary doubt.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36635898)



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Date: August 17th, 2018 8:03 PM
Author: electric weed whacker
Subject: VA Jury Instruction

The defendant is presumed to be innocent. You should not assume the defendant is guilty because he has been indicted and is on trial. This presumption of innocence remains with the defendant throughout the trial and is enough to require you to find the defendant not guilty unless and until the Commonwealth proves each and every element of the offense beyond a reasonable doubt. This does not require proof beyond all possible doubt, nor is the Commonwealth required to disprove every conceivable circumstance of innocence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053731&forum_id=2#36635907)