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Date: August 21st, 2018 11:59 AM Author: brilliant cumskin http://thehill.com/homenews/news/402837-manafort-jury-asks-what-happens-if-they-cant-come-to-conclusion-on-a-count (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36654862) |
Date: August 21st, 2018 12:00 PM Author: henna alpha Not a crimbro. If deadlocked on 1 count but unanimous on others, it’s not hung jury for all, right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36654871) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 12:03 PM Author: out-of-control deep filthpig Right. Verdict stands for the ones they decide and a mistrial with a retrial for the hung one(s).
But the jury needs a good editor. "A single count" could mean one count or could "any" count. |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 12:03 PM Author: brilliant cumskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36654901) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 12:21 PM Author: chocolate tattoo circlehead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36654993) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 12:24 PM Author: Honey-headed Swashbuckling Home Messiness Apparently they've already begun filling out the verdict sheet. I don't think they'd do that if they were stuck on all the counts. The judge's instruction assumes it's just 1 of 18. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36655014) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 12:40 PM Author: Passionate Violent Hell No, they were clear in their note:
"how do we fill out the jury verdict form for that count"
that count = a specific count, not the entire verdict. |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 12:55 PM Author: Appetizing affirmative action boistinker that's how i interpreted it. crazy how the ambiguity makes it mean almost the exact opposite of what was intended. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36655263) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 12:03 PM Author: brilliant cumskin The wording of the note is the problem. They asked the judge what they should do if they "can't come to a consensus on a single count." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36654898) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 12:07 PM Author: henna alpha If it was that they can’t come to consensus on all the counts, seems like the answer would be obvious and jury would have worked the note differently. But I guess juries are dumb. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36654918) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 12:11 PM Author: brilliant cumskin Proles will say shit like: "You didn't get a single answer right!"
It could go either way. Either they've reached a consensus on all but one count or they're deadlocked on all counts.
Manafort must be sweating bullets. |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 12:23 PM Author: chocolate tattoo circlehead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36655007) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 1:03 PM Author: diverse bonkers gas station pocket flask Bob Mueller looking at his phone like “haha holy shit 40 missed calls from Paul Manafort” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36655321) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 12:12 PM Author: out-of-control deep filthpig They also asked how it affected the final verdict.
If they could reach a verdict on anything, there would not be a final verdict.
But WTF is a "final verdict"? |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 4:19 PM Author: jet overrated place of business In theory, "innocent" could be the final verdict. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36656787) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 12:04 PM Author: Milky Main People If so, it means my prediction would have been one minute off:
Date: August 20th, 2018 10:22 PM Author: lawman8
High if there isn't a verdict by noon tomorrow. The jurors asked for the extra time only because they thought they'd be able to wrap it up today. They must be pissed at the dissenters now. Have to imagine they will try to hash this out first thing tomorrow morning. If they still haven't been able to do so by midday, that's a strong indication they never will, so hung.
http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056410&forum_id=2#36652109 |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 12:08 PM Author: henna alpha Is your prediction that jury is hung on all counts? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36654922) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 12:10 PM Author: Milky Main People No. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36654934) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 12:12 PM Author: out-of-control deep filthpig Walks on 17? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36654949) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 12:43 PM Author: multi-colored sanctuary (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36655154) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 12:55 PM Author: Adventurous Embarrassed To The Bone Dog Poop (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36655260) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 1:11 PM Author: diverse bonkers gas station pocket flask (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36655389) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 1:11 PM Author: diverse bonkers gas station pocket flask Hahahaha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36655387) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 1:11 PM Author: Adventurous Embarrassed To The Bone Dog Poop (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36655392) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 12:19 PM Author: Stirring Public Bath Would be surprised if he weren’t convicted on all but a few counts (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36654984) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 12:27 PM Author: brilliant cumskin I have no idea what evidence was presented, but cases like this tend to favor the prosecution. The weird thing I noticed is that the prosecution didn't use a chart or other visual aid to link exhibits with charges during closing arguments. In a complex case like this, you don't want the jurors to rely on their memories to connect over 1,000 exhibits with 18 charges. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36655030) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 12:41 PM Author: Passionate Violent Hell "cases like this"
You mean 86% of all criminal trials in federal court? |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 4:17 PM Author: brilliant cumskin eh, a 32-count indictment is pretty unusual (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36656776) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 3:30 PM Author: ungodly boyish goal in life (TSINAH enlightening us noobs on the finer points of high publicity federal white collar prosecutions)
Go back to flat fee DUIs you dumb fraud |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 3:44 PM Author: Confused frozen national genital piercing wtf this is exactly what you want to do, confuse the issues and the jury so much that they convict (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36656575) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 4:23 PM Author: brilliant cumskin that's a terrible idea. juries are instructed on the presumption of innocence, and if the defense is even remotely competent, they will hammer it into the jury by neatly packaging the evidence presented into a box labeled reasonable doubt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36656824) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 12:21 PM Author: out-of-control deep filthpig Fucking shitty press.
Full note:
8/21/18
If we cannot come to a consensus on a single count, how should we fill in the jury form for that count? And what does that mean for the final verdict
We will need another verdict form please.
(signed by the foreman)
Obviously, they are just hung on one. |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 12:23 PM Author: Stirring Public Bath Yea not looking good for manafort (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36655006) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 12:24 PM Author: chocolate tattoo circlehead Amazing how incompetent the press is at their job (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36655016) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 12:26 PM Author: Honey-headed Swashbuckling Home Messiness To be fair, without phones or cameras allowed in the courtroom they have to play a silly game of "telephone" where runners leave the courtroom and use payphones or tell reporters outside the courthouse what just happened. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36655026) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 12:27 PM Author: chocolate tattoo circlehead Your 110 IQ schtick is tired. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36655039) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 12:32 PM Author: Stirring Public Bath Video would be terrible. Every prosecutor would grandstand to become a Dan Abrams or Nancy Grace, every defense attorney Jose Baez, and every judge Lance Ito. Keeping live media out of the courtroom is one of the few protections against the commercialization of the courts.
Look at what happens even with just audio allowed in scotus. Audio clips are taken out of context for political ads, like they did with Verrilli’s Obamacare argument. |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 12:36 PM Author: Sinister Twinkling Uncleanness lol flame
ninth circuit has had videos for a while and none of the above have occurred |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 12:38 PM Author: Stirring Public Bath It has caused the circuit judges to be even more unhinged and political in oral argument (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36655120) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 12:59 PM Author: histrionic selfie address Video for an appellate argument is completely different than having a live feed in a trial court. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36655294) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 2:39 PM Author: chocolate tattoo circlehead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36656102) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 2:08 PM Author: Abusive dilemma kitty Yes the 9th circuit is a good example for the American judiciary
*blank stare* |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 12:27 PM Author: bistre toilet seat It's a feature, not a bug. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36655028) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 12:27 PM Author: histrionic selfie address Hard to imagine that they agreed NOT GUILTY on all counts but had an issue with only one of them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36655037) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 12:28 PM Author: chocolate tattoo circlehead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36655055) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 12:35 PM Author: Stirring Public Bath (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36655100) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 12:39 PM Author: brilliant cumskin He's charged with:
- Subscribing to False United State Individual Income Tax Returns x5 - Failure to File Reports of Foreign Bank and Financial Accounts x4 - Bank Fraud Conspiracy x5 - Bank Fraud x4
They're probably stuck on one of the bank fraud conspiracy charges. |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 3:24 PM Author: maize locus CR I bet it’s because the govt didn’t call Steve Calk and had to prove the bank fraud conspiracy via emails. Guarantee a few of those proles are having a hard time with that one “but how do we know that was their agreement just because he did what they discussed?” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36656428) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 12:48 PM Author: Tantric Carmine Parlor Friendly Grandma (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36655203) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 12:28 PM Author: brilliant cumskin jfc, fuck the (((media))) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36655044) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 12:50 PM Author: Chartreuse love of her life hospital lol he's going to walk. incoherent lib rage incoming! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36655216) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 1:01 PM Author: startled crackhouse private investor Date: August 21st, 2018 12:50 PM Author: hopkin green frog and toad
lol he's going to walk. incoherent lib rage incoming!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36655216) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 1:04 PM Author: diverse bonkers gas station pocket flask *reserved* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36655333) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 1:09 PM Author: Erotic rambunctious skinny woman locale Jews are divided (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36655376) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 1:54 PM Author: Stirring Public Bath I am highly skeptical but:
https://mobile.twitter.com/JakeBGibson/status/1031952632993263621
Jake Gibson Jake Gibson @JakeBGibson . @pdoocy and I just spoke to a source who saw the Manafort jury note and said it had been edited, and may have originally been: “if we can’t come to a consensus on ANY count, how do we fill out the sheet?” Meaning not asking the judge about being stuck on a ”single” count. 12:14 PM · Aug 21, 2018
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Date: August 21st, 2018 1:55 PM Author: brilliant cumskin what the fuck (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36655782) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 1:57 PM Author: multi-colored sanctuary Lmao at this flame. The bailiff is leaking to reporters? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36655802) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 2:05 PM Author: onyx black woman ceo Hopefully, but how do you explain the "how does that affect the verdict" part? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36655875) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 2:15 PM Author: out-of-control deep filthpig and "that" count (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36655940) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 2:17 PM Author: Stirring Public Bath Not hopefully
Hopefully they convict this fraud who doesn’t pay taxes on $60 million while I pay 40% of my paycheck |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 2:39 PM Author: henna alpha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36656096) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 3:20 PM Author: maize locus It’s pathetic and shameful that we’re at this point with Manafort and not a single trumpmo on this bort is willing to say “mueller is flame and NO COLLUSION and all, but I’m glad Manafort is getting pwn3d because he’s a terrible human being. I hope Trump leaves him out to dry and chooses to not pardon.” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36656398) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 3:23 PM Author: Marvelous Mother Temple Trump only hires the best people though (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36656416) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 3:23 PM Author: chocolate tattoo circlehead i've said that. dont give a fuck about this scumbag (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36656420) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 3:25 PM Author: maize locus “Don’t give a fuck” is different than “I sincerely hope he dies in jail. He’s a piece of shit.” And any decent trumpmo would also admit that the same applies to Stone. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36656440) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 3:26 PM Author: chocolate tattoo circlehead folks, am i arguing with an oriental? seems very duck saucy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36656446) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 3:29 PM Author: maize locus (Jew rejoindering “I already said ‘I don’t care about him.’ You and I both know that means ‘do your worst, seize any opportunity to destroy and confiscate from him.’ We are Jews after all, are we not, Moishe?”) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36656475) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 3:33 PM Author: razzle-dazzle unholy immigrant No one cares if some scumbag tax evader goes down. But Mueller is only doing this because he wants to trade a conviction for ginned up false testimony as a means to take down a democratically elected president. Either you already know this and you're just playing dumb, in which case fuck you, or you need to open your eyes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36656495) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 4:30 PM Author: maize locus Commented under wrong disingenuous trumpmo but my response is downthread. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36656877) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 3:42 PM Author: odious whorehouse persian I’ll say this if it’s true he committed the crimes, but it is a fucking witch hunt and Mueller’s tax crimes are not what the special counsel is for. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36656562) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 4:28 PM Author: maize locus The democratically elected President hired a campaign staffer and then promoted him to campaign manager, and he had already been under FBI surveillance intermittently since 2014. When the campaign manager got the boot from the campaign after a small portion of his crimes were exposed in the press he still maintained direct access to the campaign’s entire inner circle and kept committing crimes by using that access. None of this proves that Manafort (or Stone) helped to plan the release of the DNC emails. But if it’s a problem for you that the President is getting shit from the FBI because he hires cretins like this dude you have put your political agenda above the rule of law and the best interests of your country. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36656862) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 4:39 PM Author: onyx black woman ceo Well then. Genuinely surprised Fox was the only one to get it right. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36656949) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 2:16 PM Author: pontificating mad-dog skullcap theatre couldn't care less about Manafort but I just want Mueller and libs to be completely and irreparably demoralized by <><><>no verdict<><><> (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36655950) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 2:24 PM Author: brilliant cumskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36656022) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 2:36 PM Author: dashing up-to-no-good native famous landscape painting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36656083) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 3:27 PM Author: wild laughsome principal's office fanboi Yeah I really just want to stick it to libs and see Mueller fucked, Manafort is probably a piece of shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36656453) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 4:25 PM Author: silver legal warrant faggot firefighter tcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36656839) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 4:26 PM Author: brilliant cumskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36656847) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 3:44 PM Author: odious whorehouse persian Lmao cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36656579) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 4:24 PM Author: Glassy Galvanic Step-uncle's House Weed Whacker Concrete action to drain the swamp is better than fuzzy attacks on shitlibs' feelings. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36656828) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 4:25 PM Author: brilliant cumskin they've reached a verdict on 8 of the counts (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36656834) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 4:29 PM Author: bistre toilet seat GUILTY! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36656869) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 4:37 PM Author: brilliant cumskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36656937) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 4:38 PM Author: diverse bonkers gas station pocket flask Guilty on at least one count according to CNN. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36656943) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 4:34 PM Author: histrionic selfie address Link? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36656908) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 4:35 PM Author: brilliant cumskin https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/21/paul-manafort-verdict.html (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36656913) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 4:38 PM Author: brilliant cumskin GUILTY x 5 of Subscribing to False United State Individual Income Tax Returns
GUILTY of Failure to File Reports of Foreign Bank and Financial Accounts
GUILTY x 2 of Bank Fraud |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 4:45 PM Author: fear-inspiring twisted box office mental disorder (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4056993&forum_id=2#36657008) |