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The Macys denim selection is kiddy stuff and Banana Rebulic ...
Odious scarlet station hissy fit
  09/16/18
uniqlo selvage levi selvage is ok too but supposedly the ...
Startled jet-lagged circlehead hunting ground
  09/16/18
Can't you at least try to be white
Nudist Bbw Bawdyhouse
  09/16/18
most selvage is super overpriced. i dont recommend getting a...
Startled jet-lagged circlehead hunting ground
  09/16/18
Miller's Outpost
laughsome den philosopher-king
  09/16/18
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Orange nursing home
  09/17/18
https://www.ironheart.co.uk/indigo-jeans/
adventurous state
  09/16/18
Don't buy uniqlo unless you look azn because it will look li...
spectacular forum
  09/16/18
nudies only makes jeans for twinks. That may be okay, but OP...
adventurous state
  09/16/18
not only are they super skinny they are overpriced as fuck ...
Startled jet-lagged circlehead hunting ground
  09/16/18
lol at suggesting uniqlo. But you describe a stock V6 mustan...
adventurous state
  09/16/18
tell me the advantages of nudie selvage over uniqlo selvage ...
Startled jet-lagged circlehead hunting ground
  09/16/18
I never suggested nudie and never would. Or dior hommes lol...
adventurous state
  09/16/18
You need to be raped to death by a water buffalo
Obsidian set giraffe
  09/16/18
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spectacular forum
  09/16/18
$120 for a proper pair of jeans that lasts years is a worse ...
spectacular forum
  09/16/18
uniqlos are fine. they last a long time. you = dummy paying ...
Startled jet-lagged circlehead hunting ground
  09/16/18
I don't buy selvage, retard. I even said so specifically in ...
spectacular forum
  09/16/18
False. I have two pairs of slims, they have four straight le...
spectacular forum
  09/16/18
I need jeans with at least 26" circumference in the thi...
adventurous state
  09/16/18
Eh, their slims fits don't have much thigh room, but the str...
spectacular forum
  09/16/18
https://www.nudiejeans.com/selection/jeans#fit=sleepy-sixten...
adventurous state
  09/16/18
those are slim and skinny fits though. I kinda like the stit...
spectacular forum
  09/16/18
the pocket stitching sucks though. id stick with APC or ACNE
electric pungent heaven yarmulke
  09/16/18
I've only had one pair of APC, they were quite good but I th...
spectacular forum
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Swollen boyish goyim
  09/16/18
I ussually spend $100 I think on business casual pants. Need...
Odious scarlet station hissy fit
  09/16/18
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Swollen boyish goyim
  09/16/18
Bro at that price point just cop some levi's 501's and call ...
adventurous state
  09/16/18
just walk up to one of those guys who gets paid to help you ...
Adulterous parlour toaster
  09/16/18
ignore this dummy. nordstrom has nothing but schlock
Startled jet-lagged circlehead hunting ground
  09/16/18
...
Swollen boyish goyim
  09/16/18
it's easy - that's typically the barrier to fashion for most...
Adulterous parlour toaster
  09/16/18
most denim - stuff that you find in macys, nordstroms, etc, ...
Startled jet-lagged circlehead hunting ground
  09/16/18
not sure OP is your target demographic with this kind of den...
Adulterous parlour toaster
  09/16/18
i disagree. this is all very basic fashion know-how its...
Startled jet-lagged circlehead hunting ground
  09/16/18
you call it basic, but the door to fashion knowledge is one ...
Adulterous parlour toaster
  09/16/18
you're like mafoofan but even gayer and stupider i'm sorr...
yapping church son of senegal
  09/16/18
nah. hes lives and breathes this stuff. any dummy can google...
Startled jet-lagged circlehead hunting ground
  09/16/18
if it has to be googled then it probably isn't "basic f...
yapping church son of senegal
  09/16/18
Your denim knowledge is only slightly better than your car k...
adventurous state
  09/16/18
false, good nordstroms have excellent selections. trashy one...
spectacular forum
  09/16/18
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Swollen boyish goyim
  09/16/18
"Banana Rebulic is only skinny jean faggot stuff, which...
Plum hateful liquid oxygen partner
  09/16/18
if your budget is $60 go to target and get three pairs of wr...
yapping church son of senegal
  09/16/18
Von Dutch
laughsome den philosopher-king
  09/17/18
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Swollen boyish goyim
  09/17/18
Denim is sps just wear chinos
ruddy lay mood
  09/17/18
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Swollen boyish goyim
  09/17/18
Do you think Bernier has a chance to defeat Trudeau
ruddy lay mood
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Swollen boyish goyim
  09/17/18
Ive never been to eastern canada but i bet labrador is nice
ruddy lay mood
  09/17/18
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Swollen boyish goyim
  09/17/18
https://www.westjetmagazine.com/story/article/harvest-time-n...
ruddy lay mood
  09/17/18
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Swollen boyish goyim
  09/17/18
Cider is having its moment
ruddy lay mood
  09/17/18
cider is an underrated drink
gold digit ratio roast beef
  09/17/18
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Swollen boyish goyim
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Swollen boyish goyim
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I love cider, there is a local kind here that is 11% abv its...
ruddy lay mood
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Swollen boyish goyim
  09/17/18
Some fag mod was deleting all my poasts
ruddy lay mood
  09/17/18
That really pissed me off too, glad you’re back
gold digit ratio roast beef
  09/17/18
Thanks
ruddy lay mood
  09/17/18
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Swollen boyish goyim
  09/17/18
there are some great pear ciders in England, sounds gay but ...
gold digit ratio roast beef
  09/17/18
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Swollen boyish goyim
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You’d think it’d be sugary but it isn’t, very refreshing dri...
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Date: September 16th, 2018 10:49 PM
Author: Odious scarlet station hissy fit

The Macys denim selection is kiddy stuff and Banana Rebulic is only skinny jean faggot stuff, which i cannot wear because i am slim. WHERE TO GO?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36822669)



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Date: September 16th, 2018 10:51 PM
Author: Startled jet-lagged circlehead hunting ground

uniqlo selvage

levi selvage is ok too but supposedly the new 501s are fraudlies. i recommend uniqlo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36822680)



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Date: September 16th, 2018 10:52 PM
Author: Nudist Bbw Bawdyhouse

Can't you at least try to be white

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36822686)



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Date: September 16th, 2018 10:54 PM
Author: Startled jet-lagged circlehead hunting ground

most selvage is super overpriced. i dont recommend getting anything over 50 bucks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36822702)



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Date: September 16th, 2018 10:51 PM
Author: laughsome den philosopher-king

Miller's Outpost

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36822681)



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Date: September 17th, 2018 1:23 AM
Author: Orange nursing home



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36823414)



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Date: September 16th, 2018 10:52 PM
Author: adventurous state

https://www.ironheart.co.uk/indigo-jeans/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36822687)



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Date: September 16th, 2018 10:54 PM
Author: spectacular forum

Don't buy uniqlo unless you look azn because it will look like shit.

If you want quality, get nudies. they're swedish, excellent denim. I've got 3 pairs and all of them are holding up great after several years. If you must have 'raw selvage' or whatever then rogue territory and 3sixteen are supposed to be good.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36822699)



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Date: September 16th, 2018 11:00 PM
Author: adventurous state

nudies only makes jeans for twinks. That may be okay, but OP is a little ambiguous.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36822750)



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Date: September 16th, 2018 11:01 PM
Author: Startled jet-lagged circlehead hunting ground

not only are they super skinny they are overpriced as fuck

why pay $$$ for selvage when you can pay $$

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36822761)



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Date: September 16th, 2018 11:03 PM
Author: adventurous state

lol at suggesting uniqlo. But you describe a stock V6 mustang as a supercar so I'm not sure this conversation would go anywhere.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36822776)



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Date: September 16th, 2018 11:05 PM
Author: Startled jet-lagged circlehead hunting ground

tell me the advantages of nudie selvage over uniqlo selvage

none. youre like the morons getting waxed dior hommes for $500 bucks. after all, whats a pair of shitty $150 nudies vis a vis dior hommes?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36822798)



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Date: September 16th, 2018 11:08 PM
Author: adventurous state

I never suggested nudie and never would. Or dior hommes lol. See my link above. Premium denim is like a lot of high end shit. Do $300 jeans perform that much better than $50 jeans? Not really, but the textiles, construction and attention to detail are far superior.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36822835)



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Date: September 16th, 2018 11:03 PM
Author: Obsidian set giraffe

You need to be raped to death by a water buffalo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36822781)



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Date: September 16th, 2018 11:04 PM
Author: spectacular forum



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36822786)



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Date: September 16th, 2018 11:04 PM
Author: spectacular forum

$120 for a proper pair of jeans that lasts years is a worse deal than $60 for gook trash uniqlo? this is just absurd

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36822785)



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Date: September 16th, 2018 11:06 PM
Author: Startled jet-lagged circlehead hunting ground

uniqlos are fine. they last a long time. you = dummy paying extra for selvage

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36822804)



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Date: September 16th, 2018 11:18 PM
Author: spectacular forum

I don't buy selvage, retard. I even said so specifically in my poast. I buy normal pre-washed denim like a normal human being.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36822907)



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Date: September 16th, 2018 11:03 PM
Author: spectacular forum

False. I have two pairs of slims, they have four straight leg models and just released a relaxed fit jean. Also, you can upsize or downsize as much as you want because they offer everything from 24x28 to 38x36

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36822778)



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Date: September 16th, 2018 11:10 PM
Author: adventurous state

I need jeans with at least 26" circumference in the thigh or I look absurd. I have a 33" waist, pretty sure nudies makes not such jeans.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36822850)



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Date: September 16th, 2018 11:20 PM
Author: spectacular forum

Eh, their slims fits don't have much thigh room, but the straight ones really ought to have enough for anyone.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36822920)



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Date: September 16th, 2018 11:24 PM
Author: adventurous state

https://www.nudiejeans.com/selection/jeans#fit=sleepy-sixten

"Skinny Lin", "Tight Terry", "Lean Dean", "Thin Fin". I'd only fit into that sloppy cut on the far right. I also hate their pocket stictching. I think you can do much better for $200+

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36822937)



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Date: September 16th, 2018 11:53 PM
Author: spectacular forum

those are slim and skinny fits though. I kinda like the stitching but two of my pairs are black so you can't really see it.

And I got my last pair for 60 euros, and the pair before that for $120. I wouldn't pay 200 for them unless they were waxed or a really rare style.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36823087)



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Date: September 16th, 2018 11:11 PM
Author: electric pungent heaven yarmulke

the pocket stitching sucks though. id stick with APC or ACNE

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36822863)



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Date: September 16th, 2018 11:18 PM
Author: spectacular forum

I've only had one pair of APC, they were quite good but I think if nudies are twink jeans to some people APC would be jeggings.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36822913)



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Date: September 16th, 2018 11:00 PM
Author: Swollen boyish goyim



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36822753)



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Date: September 16th, 2018 11:07 PM
Author: Odious scarlet station hissy fit

I ussually spend $100 I think on business casual pants. Need some jeans for casual friday. You think $60 is appropriate?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36822824)



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Date: September 16th, 2018 11:12 PM
Author: Swollen boyish goyim



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36822875)



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Date: September 16th, 2018 11:14 PM
Author: adventurous state

Bro at that price point just cop some levi's 501's and call it a day.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36822892)



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Date: September 16th, 2018 11:10 PM
Author: Adulterous parlour toaster

just walk up to one of those guys who gets paid to help you buy stuff at Nordstrom

tell them budget, take a free water, hop into a changing room, leave with clothes

it's easy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36822848)



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Date: September 16th, 2018 11:11 PM
Author: Startled jet-lagged circlehead hunting ground

ignore this dummy. nordstrom has nothing but schlock

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36822859)



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Date: September 16th, 2018 11:14 PM
Author: Swollen boyish goyim



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36822882)



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Date: September 16th, 2018 11:14 PM
Author: Adulterous parlour toaster

it's easy - that's typically the barrier to fashion for most men

difficulty level of achieving whatever look they have in their mind

maybe you're good at it

most are not

and are not willing to put in the effort to find whatever quality you assume is important

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36822883)



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Date: September 16th, 2018 11:17 PM
Author: Startled jet-lagged circlehead hunting ground

most denim - stuff that you find in macys, nordstroms, etc, have already been treated

basically at the factory, they took raw denim, and then beat it up and fucked with the colors to get whatever final color and style by the time it reaches the store rack

the problem with this is that you dont want them to fuck around with the raw denim - it should be broken in by repeated wears and normal use. this creates natural wrinkles and fading and softens the denim over time

so when you get selvage, you know its quality stuff, but going beyond selvage means youre just paying extra for marketing bullshit

and its very easy to spot selvage because you can feel how hard the raw denim is + the trademark selvage stitching when you turn the bottom cuff inside out

this aint rocket science

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36822905)



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Date: September 16th, 2018 11:25 PM
Author: Adulterous parlour toaster

not sure OP is your target demographic with this kind of denim speak

might be a bit far on the denim spectrum for him (assuming him)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36822942)



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Date: September 16th, 2018 11:28 PM
Author: Startled jet-lagged circlehead hunting ground

i disagree. this is all very basic fashion know-how

its like walking into macys and expecting bespoke or even half bespoke suits. you aint gon find shit like that there

and it would be SUPER easy to tell if a suit at nordstorms is bespoke or non-bespoke (m2m or off the rack)

just basic fashion knowledge

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36822964)



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Date: September 16th, 2018 11:31 PM
Author: Adulterous parlour toaster

you call it basic, but the door to fashion knowledge is one many men never want to walk through

most just want clothes to be easy and to be helpful in their ability to attract someone

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36822975)



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Date: September 16th, 2018 11:31 PM
Author: yapping church son of senegal

you're like mafoofan but even gayer and stupider

i'm sorry, like 1 man out of 10,000 in the US knows the word "selvage." they think you're saying "salvage" with a lisp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36822976)



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Date: September 16th, 2018 11:33 PM
Author: Startled jet-lagged circlehead hunting ground

nah. hes lives and breathes this stuff. any dummy can google the difference between selvage and non selvage denim

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36822984)



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Date: September 16th, 2018 11:35 PM
Author: yapping church son of senegal

if it has to be googled then it probably isn't "basic fashion knowledge"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36823002)



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Date: September 16th, 2018 11:27 PM
Author: adventurous state

Your denim knowledge is only slightly better than your car knowledge.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36822953)



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Date: September 16th, 2018 11:17 PM
Author: spectacular forum

false, good nordstroms have excellent selections. trashy ones just have vans and the house brands

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36822901)



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Date: September 16th, 2018 11:21 PM
Author: Swollen boyish goyim



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36822924)



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Date: September 16th, 2018 11:22 PM
Author: Plum hateful liquid oxygen partner

"Banana Rebulic is only skinny jean faggot stuff, which i cannot wear because i am slim"

LOL. scrawny guys look even more ridiculous with baggy jeans

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36822928)



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Date: September 16th, 2018 11:25 PM
Author: yapping church son of senegal

if your budget is $60 go to target and get three pairs of wranglers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36822944)



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Date: September 17th, 2018 1:00 AM
Author: laughsome den philosopher-king

Von Dutch

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36823372)



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Date: September 17th, 2018 1:07 AM
Author: Swollen boyish goyim



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36823387)



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Date: September 17th, 2018 4:20 AM
Author: ruddy lay mood

Denim is sps just wear chinos

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36823692)



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Date: September 17th, 2018 4:31 AM
Author: Swollen boyish goyim



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36823708)



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Date: September 17th, 2018 4:34 AM
Author: ruddy lay mood

Do you think Bernier has a chance to defeat Trudeau

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36823711)



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Date: September 17th, 2018 4:36 AM
Author: Swollen boyish goyim



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36823714)



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Date: September 17th, 2018 4:37 AM
Author: ruddy lay mood

Ive never been to eastern canada but i bet labrador is nice

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36823720)



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Date: September 17th, 2018 4:41 AM
Author: Swollen boyish goyim



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36823730)



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Date: September 17th, 2018 4:43 AM
Author: ruddy lay mood

https://www.westjetmagazine.com/story/article/harvest-time-nova-scotia Looks 189

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36823734)



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Date: September 17th, 2018 4:47 AM
Author: Swollen boyish goyim



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36823743)



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Date: September 17th, 2018 4:48 AM
Author: ruddy lay mood

Cider is having its moment

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36823749)



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Date: September 17th, 2018 4:52 AM
Author: gold digit ratio roast beef

cider is an underrated drink

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36823753)



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Date: September 17th, 2018 4:52 AM
Author: Swollen boyish goyim



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36823756)



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Date: September 17th, 2018 4:52 AM
Author: Swollen boyish goyim



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36823754)



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Date: September 17th, 2018 4:54 AM
Author: ruddy lay mood

I love cider, there is a local kind here that is 11% abv its burly

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36823760)



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Date: September 17th, 2018 4:59 AM
Author: Swollen boyish goyim



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36823764)



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Date: September 17th, 2018 5:05 AM
Author: ruddy lay mood

Some fag mod was deleting all my poasts

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36823774)



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Date: September 17th, 2018 5:06 AM
Author: gold digit ratio roast beef

That really pissed me off too, glad you’re back

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36823776)



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Date: September 17th, 2018 5:07 AM
Author: ruddy lay mood

Thanks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36823777)



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Date: September 17th, 2018 5:07 AM
Author: Swollen boyish goyim



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36823778)



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Date: September 17th, 2018 5:01 AM
Author: gold digit ratio roast beef

there are some great pear ciders in England, sounds gay but is absolutely delicious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4079112&forum_id=2#36823769)



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Date: September 17th, 2018 5:04 AM
Author: Swollen boyish goyim



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Date: September 17th, 2018 5:07 AM
Author: gold digit ratio roast beef

You’d think it’d be sugary but it isn’t, very refreshing drink

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Date: September 17th, 2018 5:09 AM
Author: Swollen boyish goyim



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