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Libs are really gunning for college football
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Date: September 18th, 2018 4:42 PM Author: Pearly native mad cow disease Libs really, really hate college football. A college football player at someplace like Michigan is getting a scholarship worth $250K, about $20k in stipends over 4 years, plus free food, clothes, laptops, ipads, bowl trips with additional $500 gifts, and trips to places like Rome during the spring. This is on top of being treated like a god by other students, receiving preparation to make it to the NFL and make millions, and being handed jobs by alumni after graduation. I am so sick of libs crying about these poor exploited athletes. I would have killed to be exploited by an SEC school and drown in hot coeds for four years.
The big Saturday afternoon game between Big State U and Big State Ag is, among other things, the outcome of a system in which disproportionately black players do violence to each other for the benefit of a largely white audience. These players are not paid, despite the billions they generate in revenue for organizations run by rich old white men; the scheme by which they are nominally treated as students as part of a baroque attempt to avoid workers’ compensation payouts has corrupting effects on the colleges and universities they attend, which are among if not the most powerful institutions in the states in which they’re sited; the players perform, amidst military themes and trappings, in large, generally publicly-financed stadiums; college football in particular is plagued by issues of sexual violence that are fraught in ways that are beyond this rhetorical construct to get into.
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Date: September 18th, 2018 4:46 PM Author: Hyperventilating therapy step-uncle's house why not just let the market determine their value like we do with literally every other adult who possesses a sought-after skill? pro football players get all the stuff you mentioned plus a market rate salary. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834566) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 4:49 PM Author: violet market community account (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834588) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 4:49 PM Author: Pearly native mad cow disease That would destroy CFB. This is still amateur athletics. There is nothing preventing the NFL or anyone else starting a professional developmental league. This has been tried multiple times and I believe there is already a league set to launch next Spring. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834590) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 4:51 PM Author: Hyperventilating therapy step-uncle's house "That would destroy CFB"
ok but what does that have to do with an adult's right to receive whatever value they're worth? college coaches are paid millions and yet college football survives. |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 4:52 PM Author: Sexy Underhanded People Who Are Hurt Area I'm not a big fan of this either (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834607) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 4:54 PM Author: Hyperventilating therapy step-uncle's house well the coaches disagree with you. im still waiting for anyone to articulate a reason that players should be treated differently than coaches when both are adults with a marketable skill (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834623) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 4:55 PM Author: Sexy Underhanded People Who Are Hurt Area they shouldn't, the NFL should change its rules. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834629) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 4:55 PM Author: learning disabled pink site roast beef They shouldn’t. They should be paid. Everything else comes down to “but I love watching college football as it is.” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834639) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:06 PM Author: Pearly native mad cow disease I think there should be more non-salary benefits for college football players. Things like paying for healthcare insurance post college make sense given the long-term health consequences of playing college football. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834737) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 4:53 PM Author: Gold coiffed clown national security agency a BA from michigan is invaluable (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834615) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 4:55 PM Author: Pearly native mad cow disease There are tons of ex athletes that get into cushy sales gigs because they were athletes. It is one of the 2-3 best public universities in the country. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834636) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:02 PM Author: Gold coiffed clown national security agency what if youre black or autistic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834705) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:08 PM Author: Pearly native mad cow disease Not a lot of autistic football players.
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:03 PM Author: multi-colored bbw school cafeteria Can you elaborate on how it would destroy CFB exactly? Assume there's a salary cap or whatever. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834714) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:15 PM Author: Pearly native mad cow disease If you pay players a salary, you are creating a de facto professional minor league. We all know how passionate people are about minor league sports. It would become much more mercenary and ultimately the product would be greatly diminished and people would stop caring. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834815) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:18 PM Author: Gold coiffed clown national security agency why would people not care if its still through the colleges (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834840) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:28 PM Author: Pearly native mad cow disease Because they will see things like Tyrone transfer for a $50K increase from Alabama. CFB would lose its culture and traditions. No one is interested in purely mercenary minor league football. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834937) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:32 PM Author: Gold coiffed clown national security agency lol thats basically already how it works except instead of getting 50k you get to avoid rape allegations (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834966) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 11:58 PM Author: green aromatic stead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36837945) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 8:25 PM Author: 180 half-breed They should be allowed to do sponsorships. They're adults. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36836207) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 4:51 PM Author: Sexy Underhanded People Who Are Hurt Area if that's your attitude why not just become an NFL fan?
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Date: September 18th, 2018 4:52 PM Author: Hyperventilating therapy step-uncle's house oddly nonresponsive but i am (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834608) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 4:53 PM Author: Sexy Underhanded People Who Are Hurt Area great everyone is happy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834617) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 4:55 PM Author: arousing magenta preventive strike piazza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834627) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 8:28 PM Author: bespoke arrogant senate they can join the nfl if they want that. if they want to play cfb, these are the rules. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36836235) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 3:07 AM Author: Exciting chest-beating reading party church building (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36838457) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 4:49 PM Author: Scarlet Vigorous Double Fault Lodge LJL@ ever reading (((((((((((Deadspin)))))))))) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834584) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 4:50 PM Author: Pearly native mad cow disease I don't read it, just found this on twitter (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834596) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 4:52 PM Author: Sexy Underhanded People Who Are Hurt Area Deadspin spends ten years trying to cram politics into each and every discussion of sports, no matter how irrelevant, then announces that the two are "inseperable" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834605) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 4:52 PM Author: Scarlet Vigorous Double Fault Lodge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834609) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:57 PM Author: Vivacious Slap-happy Meetinghouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36835135) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 4:52 PM Author: learning disabled pink site roast beef Pay people for their labor. College football players enrich everyone but themselves. Don’t give a shit about the dats racyss argument. They can be right for the wrong reasons. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834606) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 4:55 PM Author: Sexy Underhanded People Who Are Hurt Area what people don't seem to get is that it is an NFL RULE that the NFL won't take people under 21. Not a cfb rule. If the NFL wants to start siphoning off players straight out of high school, ok, let it. It's what baseball does. I see no reason why cfb should have to change to solve a problem which the NFL created. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834625) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 4:56 PM Author: Pearly native mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834644) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 4:57 PM Author: learning disabled pink site roast beef NFL policy is irrelevant. The problem is that college football players aren’t fairly compensated for their labor. Everyone gets rich but them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834654) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:03 PM Author: Sexy Underhanded People Who Are Hurt Area ok I will explain it slowly so that ur deadspin-addled brain can comprehend it.
In baseball, if you're a highly touted prospect you have two choices: (1) sign out of HS, take the signing bonus, and go to the minors, or (2) take a scholarship offer and play college ball, in which case you commit to a minimum of 3 years in college, after which you can re-enter the draft. (In fact, you then have another choice of whether to take your junior-year signing bonus or come back and re-enter the draft after your senior year, a bit of leverage which many players exercise to their benefit).
in football that decision does not (meaningfully) exist, because the NFL is too greedy to pay for developmental leagues and has a rule against drafting high schoolers. as a result, the only realistic choice for football players is (2).
There is no problem with (2) provided you have chosen it freely, as playing college ball beats the shit out of the minor leagues in a myriad of ways. The complaint is that, for football players, they have not made that choice freely. The reason they have not chosen it freely is because there is an NFL rule otherwise. Therefore, take your complaint to the NFL. |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:09 PM Author: learning disabled pink site roast beef Oh no I get your argument, it’s just beating around the bush.
Student athletes are not paid because the universities have a law that says they cant pay them. Yet everyone else gets to profit off their free labor. Profiting off the labor without fairly compensating it is wrong. The athletes should be paid what the market demands. |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:11 PM Author: arousing magenta preventive strike piazza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834774) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:12 PM Author: Sexy Underhanded People Who Are Hurt Area so you think it should be illegal for baseball players to voluntarily choose to take scholarships? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834795) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:19 PM Author: learning disabled pink site roast beef Not if that’s what their skill set is worth.
Have a rule that universities can pay players. Vast majority will just get a scholarship. A minority will get paid beyond that. |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:22 PM Author: Sexy Underhanded People Who Are Hurt Area ok. college baseball programs have decided that everyone's skill set is "worth" a scholarship. (actually scholly limits in baseball are artificially low, so some guys get 1/2 scholarships, etc.) If you don't think that's a fair offer, you can take your minor league deal. The market at work!
I don't see why the rules for football can't be the same. |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:24 PM Author: learning disabled pink site roast beef No they haven’t. That’s why they have a law saying the universities can’t pay them. Quite the opposite of the market at work. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834909) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:36 PM Author: Sexy Underhanded People Who Are Hurt Area and if they don't like that "law" they can go to the minor leagues and take the $ instead. That is *exactly* how a market works. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834984) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:40 PM Author: learning disabled pink site roast beef Rigging the market with competition to depress wages is how a free market works. News to me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36835021) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 12:53 AM Author: Cerise cracking multi-billionaire temple Cr. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36838191) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 4:55 PM Author: arousing magenta preventive strike piazza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834641) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 4:57 PM Author: arousing magenta preventive strike piazza Scholarships are worth fuck all in reality its not costing hardly anything to put these bucks through 4 years of flame communications classes in giant lecture halls. The whole thing is a huge fucking scam (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834653) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 4:58 PM Author: learning disabled pink site roast beef Cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834666) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:04 PM Author: Sexy Underhanded People Who Are Hurt Area cr this is how I got into LS for free, just found a law & econ prof and explained that the marginal cost was basically nothing. one weird trick (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834725) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:14 PM Author: Scarlet Vigorous Double Fault Lodge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834807) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 11:52 PM Author: green aromatic stead yeah, this is xo, we all know tuition is massive flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36837898) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 4:59 PM Author: heady claret state It's an unbelievably disingenuous and low iq position to say universities should pay college athletes. If they don't want to play they can fuck off and title ix would cause all sorts of problems. But if you actually cared about the students or the players which would you advocate?
1. Salaries from the university fucking over the students
2. Giving athletes the same right as everyone else on the planet--the right to accept free tattoos, free chips and salsa at chilis, free cars from jimbobs dealership, the right to autograph cucky sportsnuts cocks for profit, and the right to accept jobs? |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:03 PM Author: learning disabled pink site roast beef Lol at “Unbelievably disingenuous”
If it applies to anyone it’s those supporting enriching everyone but those with actual unique talents |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:13 PM Author: violet market community account >>Salaries from the university fucking over the students how does paying the athletes from the revenue they generate fuck over the students? |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:21 PM Author: Gold coiffed clown national security agency because its money that could be better spent on university administrators who do important stuff like oversee the LGBT center or handle law school admissions (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834880) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 6:55 PM Author: Massive Blathering Gunner Juggernaut (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36835539) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 3:10 AM Author: Exciting chest-beating reading party church building (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36838462) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 4:59 PM Author: Buff Mental Disorder School college athletics are extracurricular activities. if the chess club isn't getting paid, why should anyone else? that's the tradeoff for choosing to be an admitted student to a four-year university. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834687) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:01 PM Author: arousing magenta preventive strike piazza Chess club isnt getting millions and billions to be shown on tv (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834694) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:02 PM Author: Umber corn cake so? neither are the individual players on a team. they are using the university's high profile and business staff to gain exposure in the first place. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834704) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:05 PM Author: arousing magenta preventive strike piazza This doesnt make sense (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834729) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:06 PM Author: learning disabled pink site roast beef (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834739) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:12 PM Author: Umber corn cake if a football player at a university feels that he is generating revenue for his EXTRACURRICULAR club that is being undeservedly withheld from him, then why doesn't he drop out and do a "one-man show" of athletic talent and capture that revenue for himself?
it's because he, himself, isn't generating all that much value. the value comes from the "brand name" of the university, the team and other structures the university provides, etc.
also, remember that they call themselves STUDENT-athletes. "student" comes first. focusing too much on your "ecs" to the exclusion of your actual coursework is... unseemly. that's not, fundamentally, WHY you should be attending a four-year university program as an enrolled student. |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:14 PM Author: Sexy Underhanded People Who Are Hurt Area The NFL fans ITT don't really get how little money most college athletics programs get, and how little "value," in a monetary sense, most college football players add. Very few teams are UT, and very few players are Vince Young. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834812) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:19 PM Author: arousing magenta preventive strike piazza ok so lets let "the invisible hand of the market" figure it out (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834856) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:20 PM Author: Umber corn cake it's irrelevant as long as the players choose to be students first and athletes with extracurricular clubs second. a university club is not a free-market sports league. they know that going in. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834868) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:22 PM Author: arousing magenta preventive strike piazza not really an alternative though is there due to the NCAA cartel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834885) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:23 PM Author: Sexy Underhanded People Who Are Hurt Area there is not an alternative because of the NFL RULE (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834896) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:25 PM Author: arousing magenta preventive strike piazza the NFL should get antitrust pwned to oblivion (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834916) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:26 PM Author: Pearly native mad cow disease Alternatives have been tried and continue to be tried. No one is interested because ultimately fans would be following an inferior product without the tradition and natural fan allegiances of CFB. There is no market for it and it is not because of the NCAA.
https://www.si.com/mmqb/2017/01/19/nfl-d-league-college-ncaa-football-alternative-don-yee-2017-draft
The Pacific Pro League would only employ players not yet eligible for the NFL. Players would receive, on average, $50,000 a year, though multiple people briefed on the idea stressed there might not be a cap (a star running back, for example, could earn $100,000, plus opportunity for endorsements). Yee has promised that the style and schemes would mimic professional football, not college. |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:33 PM Author: arousing magenta preventive strike piazza this is pretty much always the case when going up against a monopoly (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834973) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:08 PM Author: violet market community account this is the most retarded statement ITT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834755) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:19 PM Author: Scarlet Vigorous Double Fault Lodge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834860) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 8:25 PM Author: 180 half-breed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36836210) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 1:03 AM Author: Cerise cracking multi-billionaire temple Why should college athletes be paid if they have the choice to take their talents elsewhere and make money off them? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36838230) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:11 PM Author: Indigo Wonderful Shrine As someone stated above, the argument that "college athletes should be paid" has all sorts of problems. That said, the NFL should not have a rule forbidding drafting college players until after they spent time in college (nor should the NBA). Also, the NCAA should not give a shit whether an athlete gets a job, free car, a burlap sack of cash, etc. from boosters. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834783) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:17 PM Author: Pearly native mad cow disease The NCAA should give a shit because maintaining an even competitive environment is in everyone's best interest. If it becomes a free for all with mercenary athletes going to the school with the most free-spending alumni, no one will care. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834835) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:23 PM Author: Sexy Underhanded People Who Are Hurt Area (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834897) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:23 PM Author: bateful bawdyhouse boiling water (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834899) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:24 PM Author: violet market community account (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834903) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:26 PM Author: Indigo Wonderful Shrine You could be right. However, I think college football is affected by this less than college basketball. Too many impact players on squads with nearly 100 players. I actually have season tickets to watch an FCS team and I am not bothered by the fact that I am watching a smaller program and not watching Oklahoma. The same way I much prefer college football over the NFL. Finally, who are we kidding, boosters have always been there and have always given kids extras-- just that most of the time they don't get caught. |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:31 PM Author: Pearly native mad cow disease Schools are pretty rigorous about compliance now, although you have to be naive to think people aren't getting some stuff for free. $100 handshakes are essentially untraceable. The stuff going on at Mississippi was relatively minor and they couldn't get away with it.
https://www.seccountry.com/mississippi/attorney-says-ole-miss-case-close-death-penalty-can-get |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:36 PM Author: beta histrionic station titcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36834985) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:48 PM Author: Coral Laughsome Laser Beams Immigrant Buts that’s already true today - except the money is going to coaches/facilities instead of the players.
If you allow the alumni to pay the players directly, then the biggest losers will be the 600,000 strength coaches, etc.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/34666699 |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:48 PM Author: Scarlet Vigorous Double Fault Lodge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36835080) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 7:04 PM Author: dead trailer park sandwich LOL as if that's not what we have now. The NCAA should stop being retarded about stuff under a certain threshold. That's how all other public entity gift compliance works. And the real issue here is the federal government of the early 70s. Amend Title IX to allow revenue sports to pay a stipend that at least ensures a kid going to college and his mom aren't below the poverty line. You could literally pay every scholarship football player a $25K stipend and it would be less than half the salary cost of the 20th highest paid coach and the same as the salary of the 56th highest paid coach, the no name dude who coaches fucking Navy. It's fucking embarrassing to have football make this much money and these kids have to go back to the most wretched ghettos in the country over Christmas break. Anything more than that should come from endorsement revenue that would only be available to a handful of super elite players. And allow players to negotiate with agents the entire time they're in school and help them do it to maximize their leverage. Benefit the players more at the expense of the shady profiteers. Don't do the opposite, i.e. what college basketball did, conspiring with literal mobsters at shoe companies.
All of this will make the gap between haves and have nots bigger, but there's huge change already coming when the streaming services start outbidding the cable networks and forcing all these weird new match ups. It will be like a top 40 and then a net-negative program balance sheet under class. You have to get one of those 3,280 scholarships to get a stipend. |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 12:19 AM Author: floppy unholy library factory reset button ding faggot.
college football fans don't want to be rooting for rich mercenaries. that's what the NFL is for. the whole reason people like college football is because they see it as down-to-earth kids fighting for a spot to eventually earn big riches (NFL). if the kids are already rich, it's no fun. |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 12:28 AM Author: Pearly native mad cow disease TITCR ding fag (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36838066) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 3:05 AM Author: dead trailer park sandwich Lol you guys hate this endorsements idea bc you know it would be terrible for the Huskers and awesome for big media market schools like USC and UCLA. Not letting them do endorsements is dumb. The top 10-20 most famous college stars are almost always skill position players that are locks to be drafted and way more likely than not to get a second contract. Fans don’t see them as plucky young kids hoping to make it. They see them as young stars who have to buy insurance because the NFL prevents them from getting paid. That’s why you regularly see shitty stuff like Fournette and Clowney being “injured” for their last year of college and tons of dudes who are leaving for the draft skipping their bowl games. Shit have the school get a taste of the endorsements and use the university brand. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36838453) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 11:14 AM Author: Pearly native mad cow disease Yeah, everyone goes nuts for UCLA football in LA. Have you ever been here? No one gives a shit. Nebraska is one of the most valuable teams in the country and the move to a mercenary structure would benefit the program.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2018/09/11/college-footballs-most-valuable-teams/#28b3f5166c64 |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 1:25 PM Author: Cerise cracking multi-billionaire temple (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36840944) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 1:31 AM Author: Cerise cracking multi-billionaire temple I take it you have never watched college football, but no. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36838308) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:53 PM Author: Pearly native mad cow disease Only 20 schools make any money off football. Any move to making it a semi-pro league will see the 20-30 teams that people care about break off into their own league. College football in its current form would almost immediately disappear.
https://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2014/08/ncaa_study_finds_all_but_20_fb.html |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:59 PM Author: violet market community account The 20-30 paying schools could still play the lower divisions schools. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36835144) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 6:00 PM Author: Pearly native mad cow disease Sure, but the talent gulf will be like FBS/FCS given the money disparity at that point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36835153) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 6:01 PM Author: violet market community account Nebraska would benefit so who cares lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36835158) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 6:04 PM Author: Pearly native mad cow disease CR. GBR. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36835190) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 6:05 PM Author: violet market community account (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36835199) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 6:06 PM Author: Pearly native mad cow disease These are probably the only teams that would make it if colleges started paying their players.
A four-conference, 32-team league, for argument’s sake, could look like this. It could be 40. It could be fewer.
Big North: PSU, OSU, Michigan, MSU, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, ND
South East: UF, UGA, Tennessee, SC, FSU, Clemson, Miami, UNC
South West: Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Arkansas, TAMU, Kentucky, Ole Miss, Mississippi State
West: Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Missouri, USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 6:23 PM Author: arousing magenta preventive strike piazza sounds 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36835334) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 7:12 PM Author: bateful bawdyhouse boiling water no thx
replace march madness with a kansas, nc, duke and kentucky 4 team round robin double elimination and it'd probably be a superior basketball "product" but i'd have zero interest in watching it |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 7:12 PM Author: dead trailer park sandwich This is already going to happen when the streaming services buy up all the rights after the cable contracts end in 2022-24.
https://247sports.com/college/oklahoma/Article/Conference-Re-alignment-future-football-Ohio-State-Texas-Oklahoma-Notre-Dame-Alabama-Michigan-SEC-Pac-12-Big-10-ACC--118642101/ |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 7:28 PM Author: Red Comical Masturbator the people who currently profit from college football are some of the worst people in the USA. the players are much more deserving of that money. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36835796) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 7:30 PM Author: Pearly native mad cow disease The worst are the people involved with the bowls.
In Atlanta, the president of the non-profit Peach Bowl, Gary Stokan, made about $684,000 in 2015, part of a deal that included first-class travel, travel for companions and social club dues. In 2005, he made about $266,000.
• In Tampa, Outback Bowl boss Jim McVay earned $993,458 in 2015, including $426,750 in bonuses. Ten years earlier, he earned about half of that. This year, his game is part of a 40-game postseason that starts Saturday and ends Jan. 8.
“Everything has grown,” longtime bowl advocate Wright Waters said of the larger college sports economy.
Such growth is fueled in large part by money from ESPN, including about $470 million a year it pays to televise the College Football Playoff format that started in 2014.
But after reaching new heights in recent years, such riches have opened these organizations to renewed criticism, especially with Congress taking aim at excessive compensation for tax-exempt businesses. It also reveals another stark contrast between the compensation earned by those who run college sports and the players who perform in them. In annual bowl games, players get a free trip and related benefits and are limited to $550 in gifts from bowl organizers, such as wrist watches and sunglasses.
“It’s completely immoral,” said Ramogi Huma, a former UCLA football player and longtime advocate for improved player benefits in college sports. “When you have that disparity and contrast it with a bowl executive director making a million dollars, when these players put their bodies on the line year-round and generate the money for that bowl game, it’s upsetting.”
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Date: September 18th, 2018 7:31 PM Author: Red Comical Masturbator the bowl people still add more value than a typical university administrator (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36835821) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 7:32 PM Author: Pearly native mad cow disease Well, the entire university system needs to be destroyed, but that is another topic. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36835831) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 7:39 PM Author: Red Comical Masturbator brother you believe that players already receive $250k in kind - why would $10k cash on top of that ruin the sport in ways that scholarships already haven't? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36835887) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 8:56 PM Author: Pearly native mad cow disease They are already getting 3-5K. I don’t care if they get 10k or 20k or a graduation bonus of whatever amount. I just don’t want Bama paying $300k for an 18 year old CB. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36836443) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 3:08 AM Author: Exciting chest-beating reading party church building (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36838459) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 3:09 AM Author: self-centered doobsian indirect expression stag film b-b-b-bbut the womens dive team needs paid too then (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36838460) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 7:37 PM Author: lascivious slippery legend Football players are all rapists but also we should pay them more (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36835880) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 7:55 PM Author: Pearly native mad cow disease Standard lib talking points (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36835993) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 7:53 PM Author: Shimmering diverse pistol nowag What kind of a low-T, limp wristed manlet gets upset because college athletes don't get compensated "fairly" for their "labor" (LOL)?
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Date: September 18th, 2018 8:02 PM Author: Pearly native mad cow disease It is interesting that the lib narrative has changed. It used to be the money from football needed to be redistributed to women sports. The last thing they would have promoted is paying football players. Not when the women's water polo team is chronically underfunded.
http://www.westwingtranscripts.com/search.php?flag=getTranscript&id=70
DONNA It's not the fault of women's sports. It's the fault of football.
JOSH It's the fault of football?
DONNA Yeah.
JOSH Football pays for all the other sports.
DONNA There are 53 players on an NFL team. The Univeristy of Colorado has 130, 85 of whom are on full scholarship.
I'm all for back-ups and substitutes but can't the guy who's forth on the depth chart at right outside linebacker also be fourth on the depth chart at left outside linebacker? Ifa college football team cut back to 70 scholarships, they'd still be three deep in every position and have a fourth string punter and place-kicker. 15 scholarships. That's a wrestling team.
Josh sees Amy in the distance and gets up. |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 8:58 PM Author: self-centered doobsian indirect expression stag film wonder how obsessed with paying student athletes these fucking idiots would be if fbs cfb was 75% white bros (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36836460) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 11:36 AM Author: supple dragon Then it would go back to we need to fund the women's teams. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36839995) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 11:46 PM Author: Bat shit crazy infuriating kitchen This debate is fucking retarded because there are <50 college atheletes who deserve to be paid under any set of guidelines (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36837861) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 12:05 AM Author: Stirring fat ankles rehab amateur atheletics are in many ways better than pro leagues.
if the NCAA lets colleges pay players, i'd support my power 5 school dropping out and remaining amateur only |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 7:50 AM Author: bateful bawdyhouse boiling water (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36838846) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 1:37 AM Author: Curious set boistinker Didn't read this thread but, you guys realize most CFB players would command a tiny salary and probably their scholarships are fair market value right? Not everyone is some big 10 mvp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080648&forum_id=2#36838322) |