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Charles: Jesus dies in 30 -> Rome peaks 117 -> Dark ages until 1800s

how do you not see everything became horrible because of Cat...
mischievous soul-stirring property queen of the night
  09/20/18
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mischievous soul-stirring property queen of the night
  09/20/18
religion is the devil.
Big Harsh Menage French Chef
  09/20/18
Can't tell if sarcasm? It was only the "dark ages&qu...
Talented zombie-like stead pervert
  09/20/18
...
geriatric flushed point
  09/20/18
op is mfe, bro
Maniacal locale dopamine
  09/20/18
(gore vi:Dal)
thirsty karate
  09/20/18
“Dark Ages” is a myth
medicated athletic conference
  09/20/18
Libs invented the dark ages to discredit white people. If yo...
shimmering godawful immigrant
  09/20/18
...
black digit ratio space
  12/02/18
Settle down, Gibbon
Opaque aromatic mood travel guidebook
  12/02/18
...
black digit ratio space
  12/02/18
...
Unhinged razzmatazz voyeur
  12/03/18
so is it possible we could have had the internet 200 years e...
Wonderful gold lodge idiot
  12/02/18
Pretty sure Rome had that stuff.
garnet laughsome private investor
  12/02/18
ho lee shit
Wonderful gold lodge idiot
  12/02/18
What happened in 1800
black digit ratio space
  12/02/18
discovery of fossil fuels. living standards actually peaked ...
mischievous soul-stirring property queen of the night
  12/02/18
flame on the athens thing
black digit ratio space
  12/03/18
32% urbanization rate!
mischievous soul-stirring property queen of the night
  12/03/18
The chart on HDI for the Greek East is total fucking flame. ...
Vigorous Sick National
  12/03/18
social science shitheaddery like this is also behind the ide...
black digit ratio space
  12/03/18
(guy totally impartial about who was in charge in 900 AD)
mischievous soul-stirring property queen of the night
  12/03/18
Romans were in charge in 900 AD, and the Eastern Empire was ...
Opaque aromatic mood travel guidebook
  12/03/18
German scholars began questioning the historicity of Jesus
histrionic stage reading party
  12/02/18
Dark Ages are real but blaming them on Christianity is low I...
Vigorous Sick National
  12/03/18
whys it gotta be the DARK ages hmmmmmmmm?
black digit ratio space
  12/03/18
Because of the lack of written record. There were meticulou...
avocado curious associate theater stage
  12/03/18
But literature is a good proxy for decadence. Someone that h...
mischievous soul-stirring property queen of the night
  12/03/18
In fact Christianity gave them a unified ideology & a so...
Opaque aromatic mood travel guidebook
  12/03/18
...so why did it take 2 millenia to recover instead of a cou...
mischievous soul-stirring property queen of the night
  12/03/18
? Absolute flame Romans didn't even have fucking stirrups...
Opaque aromatic mood travel guidebook
  12/03/18
Lack of slaves mean subsisTTTence living.
mischievous soul-stirring property queen of the night
  12/03/18
It didn't; the idea that life was worse in 1700 compared to ...
Vigorous Sick National
  12/03/18
LOL @ claiming a higher population living at subsistence is ...
mischievous soul-stirring property queen of the night
  12/03/18
Not to mention one could just as easily blame them on Islam....
vibrant coiffed corner pisswyrm
  12/03/18
Shit was falling apart well before Islam so while that didn&...
Vigorous Sick National
  12/03/18
It was a primary factor in 1. demonetization of European eco...
vibrant coiffed corner pisswyrm
  12/03/18
Like I said, it didn't help, but the old Roman Empire was fa...
Vigorous Sick National
  12/03/18
In 380, under Emperor Theodosius I, Catholicism became the s...
mischievous soul-stirring property queen of the night
  12/03/18
It was already TTT by the time Xtianity came forward - read ...
Opaque aromatic mood travel guidebook
  12/03/18
Aurelian master race
vengeful azn preventive strike
  12/03/18
He was 180, but was ulitmately only a fireman b/c of his ear...
Opaque aromatic mood travel guidebook
  12/03/18
can't argue with thescience https://i.stack.imgur.com/XE9...
hairraiser area blood rage
  12/03/18
Reddit is lols
slate school cafeteria
  12/03/18
...
Opaque aromatic mood travel guidebook
  12/03/18
But I thought muslims were making yuge scientific advances d...
hateful tripping cuckold spot
  12/03/18
lmfao
Bearded concupiscible brunch
  12/03/18
...
Stimulating well-lubricated new version
  12/03/18
You need to read more books :D, I am diving into this time p...
avocado curious associate theater stage
  12/03/18
LOL there was MONARCHY and CLERGY. How TTT!
mischievous soul-stirring property queen of the night
  12/03/18
952 and 1144 were just as crazy interesting as today.
avocado curious associate theater stage
  12/03/18
(Guy really interested in subsistence living)
mischievous soul-stirring property queen of the night
  12/03/18
What books
black digit ratio space
  12/03/18
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0691173141/
mischievous soul-stirring property queen of the night
  12/03/18
This is your brain on xkcd
Stimulating well-lubricated new version
  12/03/18
lol @ :D always citing Richard Carrier for all ancient histo...
Floppy water buffalo
  12/03/18
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0691173141/ https://en.wi...
mischievous soul-stirring property queen of the night
  12/03/18
Q predicted this
Charismatic Old Irish Cottage
  12/03/18


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Date: September 20th, 2018 1:52 AM
Author: mischievous soul-stirring property queen of the night

how do you not see everything became horrible because of Catholicism

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#36846683)



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Date: September 20th, 2018 3:28 AM
Author: mischievous soul-stirring property queen of the night



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#36846879)



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Date: September 20th, 2018 3:32 AM
Author: Big Harsh Menage French Chef

religion is the devil.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#36846880)



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Date: September 20th, 2018 4:49 AM
Author: Talented zombie-like stead pervert

Can't tell if sarcasm?

It was only the "dark ages" in a relatively small part of the world - western europe. The Eastern Roman empire did very well although it had its ups and downs - was still vibrant and making progress, as did other parts of the world with very religious people.

You could just as well say - Diocletian divide ~276 --> Constantine reorganizes empire and moves East to the more economically productive / wealthy parts + legalizes Christianity 325 --> Christianity becomes Official State religion under Theodosius around 390-ish I think -->

After Christianity is legalized then becomes official state religion, several generations later Eastern Roman Empire (which they just considered the roman empire) reaches its peak under XO Justinian in 560s

Your thesis makes no sense considering the roman empire - particularly in the west - was *already* in deep trouble by mid 3rd century

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#36846926)



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Date: September 20th, 2018 5:45 AM
Author: geriatric flushed point



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#36846951)



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Date: September 20th, 2018 6:06 AM
Author: Maniacal locale dopamine

op is mfe, bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#36846964)



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Date: September 20th, 2018 5:58 AM
Author: thirsty karate

(gore vi:Dal)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#36846960)



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Date: September 20th, 2018 6:04 AM
Author: medicated athletic conference

“Dark Ages” is a myth

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#36846962)



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Date: September 20th, 2018 6:07 AM
Author: shimmering godawful immigrant

Libs invented the dark ages to discredit white people. If you want to see real dark ages look at the entire history of subsaharan africa

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#36846968)



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Date: December 2nd, 2018 10:09 PM
Author: black digit ratio space



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37339996)



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Date: December 2nd, 2018 10:03 PM
Author: Opaque aromatic mood travel guidebook

Settle down, Gibbon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37339925)



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Date: December 2nd, 2018 10:09 PM
Author: black digit ratio space



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37339991)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:58 PM
Author: Unhinged razzmatazz voyeur



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343030)



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Date: December 2nd, 2018 10:35 PM
Author: Wonderful gold lodge idiot

so is it possible we could have had the internet 200 years earlier and could have now had flying cars and sex bots that are indistinguishable from humans?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37340148)



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Date: December 2nd, 2018 10:35 PM
Author: garnet laughsome private investor

Pretty sure Rome had that stuff.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37340150)



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Date: December 2nd, 2018 10:38 PM
Author: Wonderful gold lodge idiot

ho lee shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37340164)



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Date: December 2nd, 2018 10:37 PM
Author: black digit ratio space

What happened in 1800

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37340158)



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Date: December 2nd, 2018 10:38 PM
Author: mischievous soul-stirring property queen of the night

discovery of fossil fuels. living standards actually peaked in 4th century BC athens.

https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/14660

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37340163)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 9:54 AM
Author: black digit ratio space

flame on the athens thing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37341698)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:56 PM
Author: mischievous soul-stirring property queen of the night

32% urbanization rate!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342665)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 9:57 AM
Author: Vigorous Sick National

The chart on HDI for the Greek East is total fucking flame. LJL at 900 AD being worse than the Bronze Age Collapse. That was an actual Dark Age where Greeks had to RE-INVENT writing because they forgot how to do it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37341707)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 10:00 AM
Author: black digit ratio space

social science shitheaddery like this is also behind the idea that pre-british colonization india had some AMAZING standard of living. just lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37341718)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:01 PM
Author: mischievous soul-stirring property queen of the night

(guy totally impartial about who was in charge in 900 AD)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342257)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:56 PM
Author: Opaque aromatic mood travel guidebook

Romans were in charge in 900 AD, and the Eastern Empire was coming on a fucking REVENGE TOUR in the 9th and 10th century hth faggot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342670)



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Date: December 2nd, 2018 11:11 PM
Author: histrionic stage reading party

German scholars began questioning the historicity of Jesus

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37340449)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 9:53 AM
Author: Vigorous Sick National

Dark Ages are real but blaming them on Christianity is low IQ. Demographic collapse, long-term economic stagnation, de-urbanization, and political fragmentation that took centuries to reverse were all critical and not particularly linked to Christianity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37341694)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 9:54 AM
Author: black digit ratio space

whys it gotta be the DARK ages hmmmmmmmm?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37341699)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:59 PM
Author: avocado curious associate theater stage

Because of the lack of written record. There were meticulously prepared histories of Greece and Rome that survived but they didn’t do that across Europe and had a tendency to burn the others “Chronicles” when new power came along.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343039)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 2:05 PM
Author: mischievous soul-stirring property queen of the night

But literature is a good proxy for decadence. Someone that has time to write histories isn't living at subsistence at risk of starvation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343078)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 10:07 AM
Author: Opaque aromatic mood travel guidebook

In fact Christianity gave them a unified ideology & a society to recover from said devastation - only remaining functioning govt and SCHOLARSHIP were the Church apparatus for a while in the West and in the East Xtian fanticism saved them vs the Sassanids (Heraclius is the FIRST Crusader)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37341734)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:02 PM
Author: mischievous soul-stirring property queen of the night

...so why did it take 2 millenia to recover instead of a couple centuries?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342265)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:03 PM
Author: Opaque aromatic mood travel guidebook

? Absolute flame

Romans didn't even have fucking stirrups for that CAVALRY, Germans developed better democratic governance & Europe didnt' employ slaves,

France had much much better agricultural output than the Roman times



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342277)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:22 PM
Author: mischievous soul-stirring property queen of the night

Lack of slaves mean subsisTTTence living.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342436)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 2:03 PM
Author: Vigorous Sick National

It didn't; the idea that life was worse in 1700 compared to 0 AD is fucking flame, or if it is true, fails to account for a dramatic explosion in population.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343065)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 2:10 PM
Author: mischievous soul-stirring property queen of the night

LOL @ claiming a higher population living at subsistence is a brag

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343098)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:29 PM
Author: vibrant coiffed corner pisswyrm

Not to mention one could just as easily blame them on Islam. After muslims conquered the middle east europe lost its main supplies of gold and papyrus.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342468)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:31 PM
Author: Vigorous Sick National

Shit was falling apart well before Islam so while that didn’t help it’s not really the cause.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342476)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:38 PM
Author: vibrant coiffed corner pisswyrm

It was a primary factor in 1. demonetization of European economies, and 2. lack of writing/scholarship for about 700 years. The only thing they could make books out of was parchment, which was extremely expensive and time consuming to produce.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342897)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:41 PM
Author: Vigorous Sick National

Like I said, it didn't help, but the old Roman Empire was far worse off in 630 than it was in in 330, which in turn was much worse off than it was in 30.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342908)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:49 PM
Author: mischievous soul-stirring property queen of the night

In 380, under Emperor Theodosius I, Catholicism became the state religion of the Roman Empire

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342963)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:51 PM
Author: Opaque aromatic mood travel guidebook

It was already TTT by the time Xtianity came forward - read up on the Crisis of the 3rd Century.

Constantine saved teh Empire hth

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342981)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:55 PM
Author: vengeful azn preventive strike

Aurelian master race

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343010)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 2:00 PM
Author: Opaque aromatic mood travel guidebook

He was 180, but was ulitmately only a fireman b/c of his early death

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343045)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 10:20 AM
Author: hairraiser area blood rage

can't argue with thescience

https://i.stack.imgur.com/XE9el.jpg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37341777)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:53 PM
Author: slate school cafeteria

Reddit is lols

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342638)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:53 PM
Author: Opaque aromatic mood travel guidebook



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342643)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:51 PM
Author: hateful tripping cuckold spot

But I thought muslims were making yuge scientific advances during that time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342982)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 2:07 PM
Author: Bearded concupiscible brunch

lmfao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343091)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 9:21 PM
Author: Stimulating well-lubricated new version



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37345636)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:53 PM
Author: avocado curious associate theater stage

You need to read more books :D, I am diving into this time period and it’s incredible how alive the world was. Religion overall probably made it worse, but some amazing things happened over those 1600 years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342993)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:57 PM
Author: mischievous soul-stirring property queen of the night

LOL there was MONARCHY and CLERGY. How TTT!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343022)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:58 PM
Author: avocado curious associate theater stage

952 and 1144 were just as crazy interesting as today.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343029)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 2:28 PM
Author: mischievous soul-stirring property queen of the night

(Guy really interested in subsistence living)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343197)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 9:32 PM
Author: black digit ratio space

What books

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37345681)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 9:34 PM
Author: mischievous soul-stirring property queen of the night

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0691173141/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37345690)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 2:28 PM
Author: Stimulating well-lubricated new version

This is your brain on xkcd

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343200)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 9:12 PM
Author: Floppy water buffalo

lol @ :D always citing Richard Carrier for all ancient history facts.

Seems like :D discovers a website devoted to a weird slant of a popular topic and then just gives himself entirely to it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37345588)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 9:14 PM
Author: mischievous soul-stirring property queen of the night

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0691173141/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josiah_Ober

This guy is a SCHOLAR.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37345608)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 9:13 PM
Author: Charismatic Old Irish Cottage

Q predicted this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37345600)