Nick Land interview from a couple months ago
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Date: October 20th, 2018 3:49 PM Author: shivering orange love of her life pit
he doesn't say much new stuff but it's good to know that he's still alive and doing his thing
https://vastabrupt.com/2018/08/15/ideology-intelligence-and-capital-nick-land/
"So in a certain sense, a lot of the actual fabric, the social historical fabric, is actually a containment system. And I think that containment system had a failure mode in the Renaissance. Just to dip back into the hyper-ideological space for a minute, what the extreme kind of what I call “paleo-reactionaries” get right is that they they totally see that. I share nothing of their mournful affection for the medieval period, but I think they’re totally right to say that there was a catastrophic failure that unleashed this explosive process, and that is what modernity is from the perspective of the Ancien Régime. What any social system is for is to stop this nuclear pile going off. You look at Chinese civilization and you say, well, what is it really doing? What’s it for? From a certain perspective, it’s a capitalism containment structure that obviously worked better in this traditionalist sense than the European one. The European one was too fractured, it was subject to a whole bunch of wild, uncontrollable influences, and unprecedented feedback structures kicked off that no one was in a position to master in Europe.
And so we get capitalism and modernity in Europe, and capitalism and modernity is brought to China by Western gunboats. It’s not like they’re bringing a gift, what they’re bringing is … they’re coming to pull the [laughs] graphite containment roads out, you know, from outside. That’s what that process of Chinese modernization is. It’s a process of the indigenous Chinese process of containment being dismantled from outside until it then — obviously in a way that is no less spectacular than the one we’ve seen in the West — goes into this self-sustaining modernist eruption basically in the early 1980s."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4111208&forum_id=2#37062567) |
Date: October 20th, 2018 4:01 PM Author: shivering orange love of her life pit
"What is collapsing is a certain kind of extremely smug notion of transcendent secular rationalism, as if it’s really looking at the world’s cultures from outside and above, in some position of perfect neutrality — whereas instead, it’s massively historically and culturally embedded, and it’s looking out of its own very specific cladistic branch of cultural development at other parts of the planet’s cultural shrubbery. It’s not that that doesn’t have roots; you could see the whole crisis that was visited upon the West by the introduction of comparative religion, where for the first time people couldn’t help but see their own religious tradition as something that was relativised by these other religious cultures that were being discovered around the world. It obviously had a very corrosive cultural impact. But what’s different about this is that it really is about losing the sense of transcendence completely.
There just simply are no perspectives that are not immanent to cultural history. Once that’s taken seriously, then the notion that people have put certain religious problems behind them just begins to look very smug. It’s a kind of smugness that is becoming increasingly fragile.
To loop this right back to what you were saying, that fragility is making people very bad-tempered. There’s a wide sense in a lot of people that these very basic structures of sensibility are disintegrating. They’re becoming unsustainable, and that makes people furious. They want to lash out at what they worry is a big challenge to it, or to things they think are somehow exhibiting less fragility, or as a way of demonstrating the fact that they still have remained in the same place, or for all kinds of reasons. When these basic belief structures enter into a crisis, it does produce this extreme atmosphere of vituperation and resentment that we’re seeing on a huge scale."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4111208&forum_id=2#37062642) |
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Date: October 20th, 2018 4:28 PM Author: shivering orange love of her life pit
i've always understood land's support for accelerationism as a sort of speeding-up of natural processes that are going to occur no matter what. if the Final Conflict of runaway capital/intelligence vs humanism is going to inevitably happen anyway, we might as well just get there ASAP and get it over with. our inhibitory institutions that we build to try to prevent this are ultimately futile, so why bother?
but this accelerationist view is probably just a selfish impatience from people with oversized, over-abstracted brains. a real humanist would probably fight tool and nail every step of the way to delay the day of reckoning
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4111208&forum_id=2#37062791)
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