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Why doesn't the GOP want felons to vote?
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:13 AM Author: Trip Fluffy Locale Well, it's obviously because they lose the felon vote, but let's pretend Republicans have some principles for a second.
Once someone goes to prison (or probation or whatever punishment is adjudicated) they have served their debt to society and should be treaTed like any other person.
Why should committing a crime be a permanent burden? |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:17 AM Author: Arousing Spot Travel Guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37196719) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 11:11 AM Author: Flushed bateful sweet tailpipe wagecucks there are more white trash felons than black felons. Republicans should support this as it will actually net them more votes. upscale people vote democrat now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37197117) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 11:15 AM Author: Trip Fluffy Locale Your last sentence is true at least. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37197164) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 4:26 PM Author: galvanic area "upscale people"
WTF does this even mean? |
Date: November 9th, 2018 10:15 AM Author: Spectacular whorehouse OP, consider self-immolation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37196708) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:16 AM Author: Arousing Spot Travel Guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37196715) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:20 AM Author: Trip Fluffy Locale There are.
Once you have completed your prison sentence why should you continue to be punished? |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:24 AM Author: Arousing Spot Travel Guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37196761) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:30 AM Author: Trip Fluffy Locale At one point they weren't.
Their sentence wasn't for life; why do you assume they're unable to keep their lives in order for life? |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:34 AM Author: Arousing Spot Travel Guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37196834) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:40 AM Author: Ebony den idea he suggested It really is.
The difference between a felony and a misdemeanor for a lot of crimes is a simple as arbitrary measurements.
27 grams of weed = misdemeanor and maybe a citation 28 grams of weed = felony
or my personal favorite
10 grams of weed = misdemeanor 10 grams of weed IN SEPARATE BAGGIES = Possession with intent to distribute! |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:41 AM Author: Arousing Spot Travel Guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37196888) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:41 AM Author: mildly autistic legend filthpig Now show me the actual prosecution and conviction rates for that felony criteria. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37196898) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:45 AM Author: Domesticated cuck Bullshit like this is why I quit being a ProsBro.
A lot of my cases were bullshit drug stops.
Police love to use drugs as a tool for their investigations.
Police pulls over Johnny and finds 10 grams of weed in separate baggies. He tells Johnny, "Give me the name of 3 other dealers and I won't take out a warrant"
Johnny, being a scared moron says, "Okay" even though he doesn't know any other dealers.
6 months go by, Johnny has only delivered 1 dealer, Cop takes out the felony warrant for Poss with Intent.
Hapless ProsBro thinks he's doing Johnny a favor by offering him probation.
BOOM!
Johnny now has a fucking felony simply because he didn't rat out enough people. |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 12:23 PM Author: Concupiscible Clear Preventive Strike Base or he has a felony because he possessed weed intending to distribute it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37197682) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 4:18 PM Author: Domesticated cuck (Every member of the Narcotics Squad) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37199181) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:50 AM Author: Irradiated Heaven Fortuitous Meteor https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/sessions-sentencing-memo/526029/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37196958) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:42 AM Author: Trip Fluffy Locale There are actually people on earth who think you should never be able to vote again because you had some weed on you. What is wrong with these people? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37196903) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 11:07 AM Author: contagious stag film titmfcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37197093) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 12:14 PM Author: Costumed provocative idiot hell they're right cheech (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37197633) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:40 AM Author: Trip Fluffy Locale There are many things that are felonies that don't necessarily indicate the criminal is a horrible, irredeemable person. Lots of drug crimes, for example. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37196883) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:41 AM Author: Arousing Spot Travel Guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37196897) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:47 AM Author: Trip Fluffy Locale I am not a heroin addict. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37196934) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:41 AM Author: Ebony den idea he suggested *most drug crimes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37196901) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:42 AM Author: mildly autistic legend filthpig And how many of those get successfully prosecuted? The answer may surprise you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37196902) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:46 AM Author: Domesticated cuck 98% of drug crimes are successfully prosecuted because these cases are the low hanging fruit for law enforcement.
1. Pull someone over for a bullshit traffic violation
2. Smell a "strong odor of burnt marijuana"
3. Search their vehicle
4. Find 1 fucking pill
5. Take out warrant |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:55 AM Author: motley godawful house jew CR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37196994) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:28 AM Author: exciting cuckold You can look at loss of voting rights as just a part of the punishment for a felony, kind of like sex offender registrations if you commit certain crimes.
If you commit "Felony A" your punishment might be 12-20 years in prison, 2 years probation when you get out, and forfeiting the right to own a firearm or vote.
It doesn't have to be viewed as continued punishment, but rather just a part of the overall punishment. |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:38 AM Author: Trip Fluffy Locale I think sexoffender registration is ridiculous also.
Aside from being unfair, all it does is concentrate sex offenders in poor neighborhoods (these people have to live somewhere after all - they ant be isolated in leper colonies). |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:40 AM Author: Arousing Spot Travel Guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37196880) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:44 AM Author: exciting cuckold I mean look, if you believe that upon serving time in prison someone should get back all rights including voting, 2A, the right to live anywhere, and the right to do things like teach at schools, then at least you are being consistent. I might not agree in all cases, but I can respect it.
All I'm saying above is that one doesn't have to view things like loss of voting rights as a *continuation* of a penalty, but rather one of a set of penalties that apply, of which time in prison is another item in that set. |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:55 AM Author: motley godawful house jew CR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37196997) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 11:09 AM Author: contagious stag film "You can look at loss of voting rights as just a part of the punishment for a felony, kind of like sex offender registrations if you commit certain crimes."
Sex offender registries are shit and should be abolished. So should probation while we're at it. Your criminal history should be expunged. Once you've served your time, you should be totally back to the way you were before.
Requiring someone to wear a scarlet F for the rest of their lives, when applying for every job, etc, is cruel and unusual as far as I'm concerned.
edit: you should also be able to own a gun; i forgot about that restriction |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 11:15 AM Author: exciting cuckold Again, that's fine, I'm just saying that you don't need to view each element of a punishment as being limited by time one is in prison. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37197158) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 11:17 AM Author: contagious stag film I get this approach, and I think it's just you post hoc rationalizing; i doubt anyone honestly comes at this issue from anywhere other than being challenged on it first the way i have, and only THEN do they come up with this birdbrain excuse to justify the prejudice they already have against equal citizens (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37197171) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 1:40 PM Author: Saffron center (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37198192) |
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Date: November 11th, 2018 9:25 PM Author: Shimmering Prole (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37212690) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 12:18 PM Author: Costumed provocative idiot hell you think giving people the opportunity to determine if somebody they may hire to watch their kids or take care of their home etc. has a propensity to commit serious crimes is cruel and unusual? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37197654) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 1:53 PM Author: vengeful police squad circlehead Get a pardon, faggot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37198303) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:17 AM Author: Ebony den idea he suggested Because felons tend to be poor.
Poor people tend to vote DEM
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:17 AM Author: lilac sex offender temple It's not beneficial to the interests of the people we care about. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37196718) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:18 AM Author: motley godawful house jew I agree with you. Once youve done your time you should have full rights as a citizen, including voting rights (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37196722) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:19 AM Author: orange disturbing library And 2A rights. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37196730) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:22 AM Author: Ebony den idea he suggested Well, slow down there, hoss (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37196744) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:24 AM Author: orange disturbing library My view is if society thinks someone is safe enough to be on the streets, there is no reason society should not permit that person to own and carry a gun.
The shitlib hypocracy on this point is high. “They are all non-violent low level drug users being locked up .... wait, what? Of course don’t let them have a gun.” |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:41 AM Author: Ebony den idea he suggested We really should have a discussion about curtailing White Men's ability to carry guns. . .at least until we can figure out what the hell is going on. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37196894) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:56 AM Author: Passionate point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37197006) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 11:04 AM Author: Domesticated cuck (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37197062) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:45 AM Author: motley godawful house jew im fine with that. people's eyes should be open with respect to gun laws and who might be packing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37196917) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:20 AM Author: lascivious messiness i could potentially get behind this if not for libs' fervent push to get felons out of jail much faster (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37196732) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:21 AM Author: Arousing Spot Travel Guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37196736) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:22 AM Author: motley godawful house jew that is strange. i dont think it makes sense to allow prisoners to vote (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37196749) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 11:12 AM Author: contagious stag film why not? i honestly think voting is a civil right no one should ever be stripped of (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37197122) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 11:18 AM Author: motley godawful house jew we put people in prison because we believe they have committed a crime which requires deprivation of liberty. seems fair to me that if we deem it necessary to confine someone for whatever philosophy of punishment you follow, that the right to vote should also be suspended for that period as well. also the optics of incurring expenses to set up polling places in prisons wouldnt go over well (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37197180) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:22 AM Author: Trip Fluffy Locale Thank you.
I'm so glad the people in Florida were smart enough to see this, but I'm surprised (especially since it passed by a pretty large margin). |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:19 AM Author: mildly autistic legend filthpig Of all the problems the United States is faced with, is a major one really whether or not convicted murderers get their say in how we run things?
Maybe libs are just focused too much on everyone getting their voice heard. |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:21 AM Author: Ebony den idea he suggested "whether or not convicted murderers "
Nice strawman argument you built there. |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:23 AM Author: mildly autistic legend filthpig oh, because felons only include poor black men who've been incarcerated for having a little weed in their pocket. I forgot the lib perspective. ty. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37196752) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:24 AM Author: Thriller theatre sneaky criminal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37196762) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:48 AM Author: Domesticated cuck No, it's a strawman because you jumped to the far end of the spectrum as far as crimes.
You can get a felony just for having 1 fucking pill. |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:25 AM Author: Trip Fluffy Locale Yeah because all felons are murderers. You really think you should lose your voting rights for life because you committed credit card fraud? |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:29 AM Author: mildly autistic legend filthpig What % of felons merely committed credit card fraud? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37196792) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 11:14 AM Author: contagious stag film more than committed murder lmfao at your low iq self pwn
17K murders and non-negligent homicides per year
3 MILLION CC fraud and ID theft in 2016 alone, with 1.3M of that being CC fraud |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 4:19 PM Author: Domesticated cuck lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37199186) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 8:25 PM Author: mildly autistic legend filthpig and where are you getting these numbers? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37200731) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:31 AM Author: Ivory mother church building absolutely (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37196806) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:36 AM Author: balding zippy elastic band abode What is with this 80 iq argument that you can’t do one thing because there is a more important thing to take care of somewhere else? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37196843) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:38 AM Author: mildly autistic legend filthpig Who said that? What a retarded leap. I'm asking why libs are always looking around the room to see whose voice isn't being heard. Felons having a say in the govt. seems like it should be a fringe issue, not same major lib crusade. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37196866) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:41 AM Author: Irradiated Heaven Fortuitous Meteor Fortunately Conservatives would never go on such a flight of fancy. Always got their eyes on the ball. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37196892) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:42 AM Author: mildly autistic legend filthpig "Conservatives are stupid so we get to be too!" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37196904) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 4:19 PM Author: Domesticated cuck lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37199193) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:46 AM Author: balding zippy elastic band abode Who said that? You wrote:
“Of all the problems the United States is faced with, is a major one really whether or not convicted murderers get their say in how we run things?”
Suggesting only “major issues” are worthy of attention is idiotic. The issue on the ballot. Obviously it’s a concern to enough people. weed isn’t the most important issue but it’s in the ballot in many states.
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:39 AM Author: motley godawful house jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37196871) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 11:04 AM Author: Trip Fluffy Locale CR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37197065) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:23 AM Author: Dashing cerise casino I do have principles, but voting and democracy in general is literally TTT. Giving the vote to women was literally a huge mistake. Not because individual women shouldn't be treated equally but because as an empirical matter, as a GROUP, the womyn's vote fucked over the country. See: TSA (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37196758) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 12:23 PM Author: Costumed provocative idiot hell this is 100% cr. Not only women, but virtually everyone should not be allowed to vote. This country will continue to traverse its current road to perdition until voting "rights" are eliminated or restricted to an extremely small cabal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37197683) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:25 AM Author: Thriller theatre sneaky criminal They forfeit their right to decide how our society is governed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37196770) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:26 AM Author: exciting cuckold Do you believe in sex offender registrations? Haven't those people served their time?
Should felons on probation be allowed to vote? |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:34 AM Author: Irradiated Heaven Fortuitous Meteor These are dumb questions.
I don't say this often but the Florida law just passed has it right. Felony convicts can get their vote back if they successfully do their time in prison, parole, and probation AND didn't commit murder or a sex crime. |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:36 AM Author: exciting cuckold So you do agree that if you commit certain crimes you can lose certain freedoms even after you serve your prison sentence, right?
Note that I'm not taking a position on felons voting, just showing that it's not always clear cut that one can serve prison time and then do anything they want at any time. |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:38 AM Author: Irradiated Heaven Fortuitous Meteor 100% i think some crimes should strip you of that right permanently
I think "any felony" is a really shitty place to draw that line |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 7:31 PM Author: vengeful police squad circlehead Your problem is with what crimes are considered felonies. I agree that first time meth possession shouldn't be a felony. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37200443) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 11:14 AM Author: Trip Fluffy Locale No, I do not believe in sex offender registrations for the same reason.
Also, why sex offenders? Why not murder registries?'
Additionally, these registries just force sex offenders into the poorest neighborhoods where people can't avoid them. Where do you expect them to life? They have to live somewhere.
I think people on probation should vote as long as they're in good standing (passing drug tests, checking in with their PO, etc.) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:30 AM Author: topaz stead quadroon OP, would you want people convicted of statutory rape or sexual assault (of any degree) who have 'served their debt to society' to be able to become school teachers? or people who went to jail for DUIs drive school buses or fly airplanes? if no, why would you want them to have the right to determine the course of society and the country through its government? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37196800) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:35 AM Author: Arousing Spot Travel Guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37196839) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:37 AM Author: Irradiated Heaven Fortuitous Meteor I got bad news for you about your DUI hypo man (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37196857) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:39 AM Author: topaz stead quadroon LJL do we really let DUImos drive school buses and planes? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37196875) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:41 AM Author: Irradiated Heaven Fortuitous Meteor Google at your own risk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37196900) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:43 AM Author: topaz stead quadroon https://www.wcvb.com/article/police-school-bus-driver-dui-on-job/7851231
might as well fund felon job training and make this guy a pilot then |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:39 AM Author: Razzmatazz yellow newt cumskin Blue smoke pls respond (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37196872) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:43 AM Author: motley godawful house jew this is a pretty bad analogy. no one has a right to a particular job, and background checks are reasonable in those circumstances. however, as a person who has served their punishment, and is an active participant in society, a felon who is not in prison should be able to vote on their government. there is no potential harm or risk to others from allowing their vote. even the sex registry example can be distinguished in this way, even though i also dislike the requirement for such registries to be maintained (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37196909) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:55 AM Author: topaz stead quadroon the issue is that said persons were not desirable "active participant[s] in society" before, and society has the right to determine who gets to participate in its governance and civil society and who doesn't. im not sure how to explain that there is some "potential harm or risk" to give people with either bad decision making skills, a criminal/fucked up mindset, or other problems - or a combination thereof - the right to sway elections that ultimately affect everyone.
they clearly didnt GAF about society at large when they were stealing, dealing harmful drugs, raping, assaulting, etc. there's noting 'unfair' about stripping them of their right to vote if they received due process through their arrest, conviction, and sentencing. |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 11:03 AM Author: motley godawful house jew if you want to stop felons from having 'the right to sway' elections youre going to have to go a lot further than stripping them of the vote. where do you stop, they cant speak about elections? cant donate to candidates? cant share opinions? like facebook pages? one vote is unlikely to sway anything, but felons may become politically active after prison, which i reckon is a good thing. people with a stake in society are more likely to stay in line
and sure, yeah they fucked up when they committed a crime. the courts enacted a penalty in line with existing law and they served it. sure they made a mistake and they paid for it, personally i believe in redemption for most people, and apparently floridians agree. if you think their crime is so horrible that they shouldnt be allowed to participate in society, then make the jail term reflect that. |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 11:16 AM Author: topaz stead quadroon political advocacy = / = actually voting, which would incentivize political groups to mobilize around advancing things felons want, and we know felons once 'wanted' things that weren't best for society (wanting to steal, rape, murder, assault, drunk drive, etc.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37197169) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 11:20 AM Author: motley godawful house jew this is extremely unlikely unless felons are an inordinately large portion of the population, which is not the case anywhere---and if it is the case, is probably more of an indictment of the criminal justice system in that jurisdiction than of the felons themselves (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37197192) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 12:13 PM Author: topaz stead quadroon in FL's case, 1.4 million felons over a total population of 20 million. and that 20 million includes children and other non voters. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37197624) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 4:00 PM Author: light low-t space genital piercing it's very powerful (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37199063) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 11:20 AM Author: contagious stag film "the right to sway elections"
if 1.5M felons in florida can "sway an election" then it was already 50/50 as it was and you don't get to complain about the radicalization of policy |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 11:26 AM Author: Trip Fluffy Locale If they have finished their prison sentence and their psychiatrist deems them "cured" then yes.
Of,course, they're practically going to have w really hard time finding a job when they're competing with people without these blemishes in their records. |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 11:53 AM Author: self-centered antidepressant drug menage "and their psychiatrist deems them "cured""
Are you proposing making a psychiatric evaluation a requirement for felons getting voting rights restored? |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 3:52 PM Author: Arousing Spot Travel Guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37199003) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 3:54 PM Author: Carmine Multi-colored Organic Girlfriend Kitchen yeah its almost like you shouldnt rape children if you want to work around children (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37199009) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 7:02 PM Author: self-centered antidepressant drug menage Felons aren't even considered for most jobs but they should get to decide the outcome of elections? Lol. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37200193) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:33 AM Author: mildly autistic legend filthpig Kind of funny that libs don't know what a felony is.
"You want someone to lose their voting rights just for a teensy weensy little mistake that doesn't tell you anything about who they are as a person??" |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 11:45 AM Author: Deep Roommate Lodge Right. It can be capital murder OR ....
a single pill or whatever D'Nesh did. |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:37 AM Author: balding zippy elastic band abode I agree with you here they should get every right restored once the sentence is up (including 2A).
Maybe some exception for child molesters to be around kids |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:53 AM Author: Swollen Stage most felons should have a way to restore their 2a rights after serving their incarceration/parole let them vote. as if most felons are the voting type |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:57 AM Author: balding zippy elastic band abode In my state can’t possess with felony and several misdemeanors. I think after 20 years you can apply. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37197016) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 11:05 AM Author: light low-t space genital piercing I don't see how there can be exceptions. Either they vote or they can't. I think the Florida proposal excludes "hate crime" felons (though TBF that could have been fox news flame). Do we really want to pick and choose who we like or don't like to vote based on some subjective standard? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37197072) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 11:06 AM Author: motley godawful house jew agree with this. we shouldnt discriminate against 'icky' crimes. if felons can vote, that means all felons can vote. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37197082) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 11:07 AM Author: balding zippy elastic band abode I agree with you. Voting is a fundamental right. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37197090) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 1:49 PM Author: light low-t space genital piercing I've always believed that. I say that knowing it will benefit dems.
Even excluding felons seems weird to me as the government is deciding if you are a felon. Doesn't seem right. |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 11:06 AM Author: Floppy clown rigor lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37197078) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 11:30 AM Author: self-centered antidepressant drug menage This is such a disingenuous line of reasoning. 0% chance that if felons were Republicans that libs would suddenly be pushing for this.
But to answer the question, this relates to another shitlib push which is that EVERYONE should vote regardless of knowledge, interest, etc. Again, it is because they realize that this helps them. In reality, there are some people you don't want voting because they're dumb, disinterested or likely to be the sort of people we don't want deciding things like who runs the country because they make terrible decisions. I would think felons would be at the top of that list. |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 11:36 AM Author: Trip Fluffy Locale Who is the "you" who decides "who you don't want voting? Based on this thread, it seems as though people have wildly different opinions on that.c (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37197308) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 11:49 AM Author: self-centered antidepressant drug menage Well, obviously it is the voters generally, as it has always been. But I think the shitlibs pushing this are just doing what they always do which is do anything that gets them the win so they can go fuck over whitey. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37197431) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 11:40 AM Author: balding zippy elastic band abode You’re an actual foreigner with an allegiance to a foreign power. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37197337) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 11:50 AM Author: self-centered antidepressant drug menage You're a nutjob that is actually insane. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37197435) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 12:16 PM Author: balding zippy elastic band abode Cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37197638) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 12:21 PM Author: Arousing Spot Travel Guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37197672) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 11:51 AM Author: Supple fuchsia dilemma persian The left doesn't have principles. It has tactics. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37197443) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 11:53 AM Author: self-centered antidepressant drug menage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37197472) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 11:44 AM Author: Supple fuchsia dilemma persian Well, your premise is wrong, for one. A majority of Americans, including Republicans (at around 60-65% support), favor the restoration of felon voting rights. So the better and more accurate question to ask is: why does the GOP support felon voting rights? I suspect it's for the same reason they refuse to do anything about the border, support Israel, bomb Syria, etc.: they hate themselves and want to die. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37197366) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 1:50 PM Author: light low-t space genital piercing As trump would say, we don't know how to win. I support given felons the right to vote (or, more precisely, not disenfranchising them), even though that almost certainly means Dems will take Florida forever now. That's not winning. I guess I am weak. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37198276) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 1:50 PM Author: vengeful police squad circlehead Loss of franchise has been a consequence of a felony for as long as anyone can remember. Why should felons get a say in how the government works? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37198275) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 1:51 PM Author: light low-t space genital piercing Why shouldn't they? I've never understood that...
There are a lot of people I don't like who have a right to vote.
If someone is a citizen and responsible for paying taxes, they should have a right to vote. |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 1:54 PM Author: vengeful police squad circlehead The burden is on them to prove that they should vote. They are adjudicated felons. They can seek a pardon if they prove they are worthy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37198311) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 2:16 PM Author: appetizing mental disorder school cafeteria protip: expanding the franchise has been a mistake, not a credit to our society.
for one thing, i don't think that "naturalized" US citizens who came to the US later in life and didn't even grow up here should be able to vote. that's nuts. it creates perverse incentives for one political party (DEMOCRATS) to import as many third-worlders as possible and "legalize" them. |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 3:59 PM Author: light low-t space genital piercing ok but we are way beyond the age of white male landowners being the only ones who can vote.
Not being able to vote is an exception. Who gets to decide the exceptions? |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 7:40 PM Author: vengeful police squad circlehead Being able to vote is still the exception. Study history. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37200504) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:46 PM Author: light low-t space genital piercing Dude I don’t care about history. In this country every citizen can vote who isn’t a minor or a felon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37201623) |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 4:23 PM Author: crawly wild ratface 1. in general, i think you should get your rights back if you get out of prison.
2. in general, i think many people should probably be in prison longer because they're going to commit crimes when they get out.
3. in general, i think the Dem concern for felony voters is one of pure political opportunism and not some concerns about muh precious franchise being denied.
so, i can see some legit criticism of an anti-felons-voting position. but basically, i can't manage to get worked up about the issue because of the lib menace to the Republic and a too-soft-on-crime political culture (fuck "criminal justice reform") |
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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:58 PM Author: narrow-minded arrogant hall Why should society's utter dregs have any say in how the country is run? There should be more restrictions, not less. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#37201692) |
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Date: April 24th, 2019 2:22 PM Author: beady-eyed station (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#38135651) |
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Date: April 24th, 2019 2:23 PM Author: Flushed bateful sweet tailpipe wagecucks GOP is dumb for not getting behind this. There is already evidence that the majority of ex-felons are registering republican. This used to benefit democrats when white poors voted Dem, now most ex-felons are voting Republican because there are more white poors than brown poors. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4128665&forum_id=2#38135667) |