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Germany should have won WWI at Marne - no communism, nazis, mideast clusterfck
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Date: November 12th, 2018 5:47 PM Author: swashbuckling ratface Nazis were a disaster but communism was the worst thing to happen to the world in the last 500 years since the mongols
and US should have stayed out of WWI. its not like there was any difference morally between France/Germany/UK. they were all european powers jostling for supremacy
if WWI had ended differently there is no soviet russia, hitler would have died as an unknown artist in vienna, no iron curtain, mao etc
in fact we are still dealing with the aftereffects of WWI and strictly speaking WWI itself was due to Napoleon. Basically Napoleon disturbing the European status quo with his quest for a world empire was the seminal moment in modern european/world history and everything else is just aftershocks of that earth quake - prussian empire, german reunification, france's thirst for revenge leading to WWI which led to WWII, communism, nazism etc |
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Date: February 26th, 2019 7:04 AM Author: wonderful masturbator property but GC/neoliberalism is just getting started...don't sleep on GC...what is gonna happen to the west in 30 years after whites are a minority and after GC has been filling the heads of immigrant kids with anti-white propaganda for decades? it is gonna make the pogroms of WW2 look like small change....rivers of blood will flow in the streets? You better believe it...our blood... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4131311&forum_id=2#37844908) |
Date: November 12th, 2018 5:49 PM Author: pink corner hissy fit I largely agree but blame Rousseau. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4131311&forum_id=2#37218434) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 5:56 PM Author: swashbuckling ratface rousseau in a way was inevitable and the revolution and democracy if not in france would have happened elsewhere. but napoleaon was an unique figure and a supremely capable military leader hellbent on conquering europe wasn't inevitable (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4131311&forum_id=2#37218472) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 5:58 PM Author: pink corner hissy fit Not so sure. if France's intelligentsia had not gone corrupt, perhaps the Corsican could have turned his enormous powers fully to the good. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4131311&forum_id=2#37218486) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 6:08 PM Author: swashbuckling ratface rousseau was just an inevitable end result of western enlightenment, secular education, spread of literature, printing press etc. europe at that time was repressive and very undemocratic while also experiencing a renaissance. the idea that as enlightenment, literacy spread among masses the peasants would have been content to be oppressively ruled by autocratic monarchies is silly.
not to mention that UK had already transitioned into a parliamentary democracy by the time rousseau
but a guy like napoleon just like genghis was a historical accident. if they had died in their youth it is extremely unlikely that the events that followed their rise would have occurred. sure there may have been other turbulent events and points of friction - the most obvious being the conflict between northern protestant german states and HRE, serfs/jews vs tsars that might have still led to events like WWI/WWII but it wasn't inevitable |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 6:11 PM Author: pink corner hissy fit I think you can make a case Rousseau is a bigger historical fluke than Genghis or Napoleon. There have been many conquerors before and since, only one French Revolution. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4131311&forum_id=2#37218552) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 6:18 PM Author: swashbuckling ratface flame
french revolution/rousseau was predated by english commonwealth so it wasn't even the first occurrence of an absolute monarchy being overthrown for democracy in europe
as i said democracy and weakening of monarchy was inevitable and if not for rousseau it would have been some other philosopher causing a revolution - french or german or whatever. french revolution was a direct result of western enlightenment, european renaissance, spread of literacy and awakening of peasants/common people
genghis/napoleon were historical flukes. some other mongol might have been content to be a tribal leader ruling a territory the size of rhode island and a different french autocrat would never be audacious enough to dream of conquering moscow |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 6:20 PM Author: Nighttime Sooty Blood Rage Crotch you don't think robespierre would have been able to rally french peasants to pull Louis and Marie out of their palace and chop off their heads without a brian leiter figure to give them all a philosophical groundering? the french were revolting to different extents every 10-20 years in the 17-1800s. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4131311&forum_id=2#37218597) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 6:23 PM Author: swashbuckling ratface french are TTT and a curse on europe. news at 11.
what is fascinating is that they continue to be bailed out repeatedly by foreigners (martel/germans, british/WWI, americans/WWII) and yet have a snobby superiority complex
BISMARCK DID NOTHING WRONG (if anything he went easy on those scumbags)
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Date: November 12th, 2018 6:30 PM Author: pink corner hissy fit I wrote out a response but accidentally hit back on the train. In short, my point is not that Ross was unique in inspiring the overthrow of monarchs but rather in heavily influencing what came after. His ideas are still stitched into the fabric of shitlib DNA. We've seen nothing like it since, save maybe Engels. Napoleon, in contrast, was surely great, but so was Alexander; and Genghis terrible, but so too Attila. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4131311&forum_id=2#37218640) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 6:40 PM Author: Thriller cobalt rigor yarmulke Are you still in the office? Please call me ASAP (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4131311&forum_id=2#37218700) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 6:44 PM Author: pink corner hissy fit I'm on a call, let me stop by when I'm done. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4131311&forum_id=2#37218710) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 6:45 PM Author: swashbuckling ratface wtf (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4131311&forum_id=2#37218717) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 6:25 PM Author: Autistic locus stain Moltke was a faggot who couldn't handle the pressure
A better general would never have sent troops to Lorraine and weakened the right wing. A better general wouldn't have split troops off to face Russia. A better general would have taken Paris |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 6:28 PM Author: swashbuckling ratface true
he panicked and diverted troops to the eastern front when it wasn't necessary. and bulow made it worse by being too timid
two blunders by German generals - Moltke weakening the western army and Bulow being timid and pulling back Von Kluck ==== macron/merkel/DIS IS WHAT DEMOCRACY LOOKS LIKE |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 6:49 PM Author: mildly autistic bbw place of business Russia destroyed all of Austro-Hungary's combined strength in the battles of Galicia and the siege of Przemysl. The Russians destroyed 5 entire Austrian armies and knocked Austro-Hungary out of the war pretty much for the remainder. Had Moltke not reinforced with 2 corps at Tannenberg the Russians would not only have won but completed their implementation of Plan 19 and cost Germany the entire war. As it stands Tannenberg was pretty much a clusterfuck only because the retarded Russians were broadcasting in the clear and not coding any of their radio traffic. Russians acting like the retarded vodka happy goyim that they are never fail to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory every single time. Even then had they just hunkered down at Tannenberg and not advanced into crippling fire like retards they would have taken the day but Samsonov hated Rennenkampf and refused to wait for his corp lest the faggot have to share the credit. The faggot cost Russia the war and the empire all by himself. At least he had the decency to shoot himself. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4131311&forum_id=2#37218747) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 6:51 PM Author: swashbuckling ratface you forgot to link to livejournal f*g (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4131311&forum_id=2#37218762) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 6:28 PM Author: Vermilion Galvanic Hall nazism was 180. a cultural, political and economic miracle.
hitler just didnt believe anglo-americans could possibly side with the evil bolshevik apes--because siding with the soviets was objectively insane. he realized too late (((who))) was in complete control.
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Date: November 12th, 2018 6:31 PM Author: swashbuckling ratface can we not make this thread about hitler/WWII?
you agree that US should have stayed out of WWI and Germany victory at Marne would have been much better for europe/mankind? |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 6:32 PM Author: Vermilion Galvanic Hall nazi was literally the first word in your op
but yes oc we should have stayed out of WWI |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 6:34 PM Author: swashbuckling ratface tbf
that was simply a literary device to highlight how bad communism was |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 7:48 PM Author: cracking business firm laser beams (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4131311&forum_id=2#37219214) |
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Date: December 25th, 2018 5:55 AM Author: Copper appetizing tanning salon half-breed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4131311&forum_id=2#37467135) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 6:43 PM Author: Nighttime Sooty Blood Rage Crotch someone ought to write a 180 historical fiction novel about germany and the US making a secret alliance so that the US comes over to "help" france and england but instead we reverse-pwn them and attack them from the rear and divide up western europe with Germany (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4131311&forum_id=2#37218708) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 7:47 PM Author: swashbuckling ratface 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4131311&forum_id=2#37219203) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 7:47 PM Author: pink corner hissy fit why not you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4131311&forum_id=2#37219205) |
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Date: February 26th, 2019 3:33 AM Author: swashbuckling ratface same question (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4131311&forum_id=2#37844771) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 2:45 AM Author: swashbuckling ratface (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4131311&forum_id=2#37250173) |
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Date: December 25th, 2018 5:41 AM Author: swashbuckling ratface (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4131311&forum_id=2#37467126) |
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Date: February 26th, 2019 5:49 AM Author: Flesh chad school cafeteria WWII would've been a united Western Europe against the Russian Empire. Would Britain have stayed out or gotten involved? I think that depends on the Kaiser's moves with respect to naval policy. Would the inevitable Japanese American war involved Russia or Britain? |
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Date: February 26th, 2019 7:00 AM Author: azure striped hyena personal credit line I think that the communism counterfactual is a little wishful thinking on your part OP
Socialism/communism was basically born on the leftist fringes of the French Revolution and was a powerful social force in many countries by WWI
If Germany wins at the Marne and France is required to pay the massive indemnity, why wouldn't there have been a Paris Commune redux with resurgent French nationalism leading to a communist overthrow of that government
Or why do you assume that the German unification/expansionist project wouldn't have continued to extend to Poland/Eastern Europe, causing continual friction with the csarist regime in Russia leading to its eventual downfall to the Bolsheviks
Communism still would have been a powerful force in the colonized states of SE Asia and S America. Remember communism spread not just as a result of Lenin getting on the train, but because it became deeply interwoven with anticolonialist sentiment. Any shifts in the European balance of power would give communism daylight in China, Vietnam, etc. In all likelihood European power politics/domination of non Western powers would still have led to communist overthrow of colonial or puppet regimes in some of these places and formation of a communist bloc in some form.
Germany winning at the Marne wouldn't have prevented the broader trend, it just might have played out differently.
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Date: February 26th, 2019 8:44 AM Author: passionate stage incel The central powers were all autocracies.
The allies were mostly democracies. We shared common values with the democracies in the UK and France and not with the Austro-Hungarian, Ottomon, and German empires. |
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Date: February 26th, 2019 8:52 AM Author: doobsian canary pervert The average person was better off in Vienna than Paris, bro. The good vs. evil narrative just doesn't hold up for ww1. Arguable the most repressive regime amongst the major powers was Russia. Whose side were they on again? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4131311&forum_id=2#37845087) |