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The revelation is prince killed Khashoggi...like we didn't know this?
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Date: November 17th, 2018 10:58 AM Author: Thirsty Bawdyhouse Did anyone actually think that was not the case? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135460&forum_id=2#37250921) |
Date: November 17th, 2018 11:00 AM Author: Charismatic clear tanning salon you don’t understand how geopolitics work. from that perspective, it was important to prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135460&forum_id=2#37250924) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 11:01 AM Author: Thirsty Bawdyhouse Of course, I get the "nuance" underlying this whole situation, but to think that Salman, who has been ruthlessly consolidating power was not behind this, come on. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135460&forum_id=2#37250933) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 11:05 AM Author: Charismatic clear tanning salon who thought he wasn’t behind it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135460&forum_id=2#37250951) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 11:14 AM Author: Histrionic trump supporter Trump? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135460&forum_id=2#37250992) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 11:16 AM Author: Charismatic clear tanning salon he didn’t actually think that but proving it beyond a shadow of a doubt was precisely what was needed so he can’t pretend otherwise (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135460&forum_id=2#37250998) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 1:34 PM Author: Nofapping elastic band newt he thought or he purported to think? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135460&forum_id=2#37251659) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 11:00 AM Author: Razzle-dazzle parlour jew The very topic of your conversation and thoughts mean that Muslim brotherhood loving shitlib media conglomerates own your mind. Congrats I guess (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135460&forum_id=2#37250925) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 11:02 AM Author: Thirsty Bawdyhouse Not quite. The truth is this murder puts us in yet another tricky position with our "ally" Saudi Arabia, and the answer to this moral quandary is far from clear. And I say that without discounting your point at all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135460&forum_id=2#37250938) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 11:05 AM Author: Razzle-dazzle parlour jew The answer is simple: a Saudi on Saudi murder in turkey doesn’t interest us in the slightest. Especially when the victim was a top muslim brotherhood member with extensive ties to both the deep state and osama bin laden
Because you aren’t a nationalist from first principles, but rather out of convenience from posting here or because you think it’s better for the Jews, you are unable to read the truth of situations and so you get sucked into worthless balancing acts
This is just another reason why I honestly don’t like you much |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 11:06 AM Author: Rusted Shitlib Boiling Water (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135460&forum_id=2#37250953) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 11:09 AM Author: Thirsty Bawdyhouse You're just avoiding the central issue that you're justifying his murder. Clearly, you think it was justifiable. And if it's justifiable in this case, it will be in other cases. And then where do you draw the line?
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Date: November 17th, 2018 11:09 AM Author: Rusted Shitlib Boiling Water Who cares? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135460&forum_id=2#37250973) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 11:17 AM Author: Thirsty Bawdyhouse Gee I don't know, when we start murdering our political opponents just for their politics things can go downhill quickly.
You're claiming it doesn't affect you - now. But World War I started simply from one guy getting shot in Europe. You can be a nationalist all day and realize that everything that happens in the world affects everything else.
It won't change anything anyway. We will still be friends with Saudi Arabia and the prince will keep power. A bunch of their countrymen knocked down the Twin Towers and that still didn't change our alliance. Hell, Bush flew the Bin Ladens out of America that day. But it's a dirty deal we're involved in with them - always. |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 11:18 AM Author: Henna tattoo indian lodge "when we start murdering our political opponents just for their politics things can go downhill quickly."
you think middle eastern despots are just " starting" to do this? Or should we be prosecuting every murder in the Middle East |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 11:19 AM Author: Rusted Shitlib Boiling Water I don't care about their politics. I don't even care to hear about it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135460&forum_id=2#37251014) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 11:25 AM Author: Razzle-dazzle parlour jew “You're claiming it doesn't affect you - now. But World War I started simply from one guy getting shot in Europe. You can be a nationalist all day and realize that everything that happens in the world affects everything else.”
this is an appeal to intervention in every political murder (or more?) in the world because of some extremely remote possibility that it ends up, somewhere down the line, affecting us in some way (which you assume the affect to be bad).
You truly are a despicable human being.
Your first sentence also makes no sense as it doesn’t involve “us” in any capacity. |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 11:28 AM Author: Thirsty Bawdyhouse I'm despicable, but you're overlooking and justifying cold blooded murder. When Russians or Iranians do it, Trump and the West starts yapping. But when Saudis do it, it's well, just the way things go. The Saudis are as bad actors as anyone else, yet our leaders are enamored with them.
You're a sick individual and you should stop projecting your violent psychopathy onto other people. |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 11:29 AM Author: Razzle-dazzle parlour jew I’m not justifying murder. I’m saying it doesn’t affect us in this case and we have no reason to care. You are quite evil with your insistence on upending internal affairs of other countries at your or your master’s whims. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135460&forum_id=2#37251056) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 11:31 AM Author: Thirsty Bawdyhouse You're a huge loser with no balls to even admit what you're actually arguing.
Just leave thread, thank. |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 11:31 AM Author: Charismatic clear tanning salon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135460&forum_id=2#37251066) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 12:48 PM Author: Naked Principal's Office Love Of Her Life When other countries kill "journalists" no one cares. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135460&forum_id=2#37251445) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 11:10 AM Author: Razzle-dazzle parlour jew It’s not that I think it’s justifiable or not justifiable. It’s that we have no interests involved in the murder so I don’t care why it happened. You even think like a globalist assigning blame or not blame to incidents that don’t affect us. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135460&forum_id=2#37250976) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 11:09 AM Author: Charismatic clear tanning salon it didn’t interest the CIA (and the likes of you) that we were arming someone like Bin Laden and his like-minded mujahideen either back in the day (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135460&forum_id=2#37250972) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 11:11 AM Author: Razzle-dazzle parlour jew How about in English please? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135460&forum_id=2#37250981) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 11:11 AM Author: Charismatic clear tanning salon u= nigger (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135460&forum_id=2#37250982) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 11:10 AM Author: Sick burgundy stead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135460&forum_id=2#37250980) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 11:17 AM Author: Henna tattoo indian lodge ouch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135460&forum_id=2#37251004) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 11:32 AM Author: Lilac Tripping Locus Azn I never doubted it. But I also never cared. It changes nothing. If you subscribe to a realpolitik view of the world and see Saudi as a lesser of two evils against Iran, it changes nothing. If you subscribe to a “moral” view of foreign policy, well then we have known all about the Saudis for a very long time, and it changes nothing. |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 11:33 AM Author: Charismatic clear tanning salon that’s fine as long as you never use the term “American values” again (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135460&forum_id=2#37251071) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 11:36 AM Author: Naked Principal's Office Love Of Her Life What will happen if I use that term and don't give a shit about Khashoggi? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135460&forum_id=2#37251087) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 11:36 AM Author: Thirsty Bawdyhouse Then you've moved the goal posts of American values into an arena where the term means much less. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135460&forum_id=2#37251093) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 11:40 AM Author: Charismatic clear tanning salon well what usually happens when a hypocrite utters empty, ironic words is that he’s just laughed at (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135460&forum_id=2#37251114) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 11:37 AM Author: Lilac Tripping Locus Azn That’s boneheaded. Read my post again and observe the point that this changes nothing no matter what view of foreign policy you adhere to, including an “American values” or “moral” view. Anybody who thinks this is somehow new information about the nature of the Saudis just hasn’t been paying attention. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135460&forum_id=2#37251098) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 11:42 AM Author: Charismatic clear tanning salon your post glaringly fails to address the issue and is strongly suggestive of a lack of self-awareness on your part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135460&forum_id=2#37251125) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 11:45 AM Author: Lilac Tripping Locus Azn your desperate arm-flapping is strongly suggestive of a wanting IQ tell me a coherent view of foreign policy one could have that would be radically altered by this event, assuming basic levels of paying attention beforehand I’ll wait. |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 11:51 AM Author: Charismatic clear tanning salon it’s very simple, really. call a spade a spade and make your ally, by convenience, be held accountable. that might mean replacing this prince with a different heir apparent with values at least less reprehensible than the current leadership is promoting. saying “welp, oh well, sandniggers gonna do sandnigger shit” is lazy and faggot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135460&forum_id=2#37251170) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 11:55 AM Author: Lilac Tripping Locus Azn I said assuming basic levels of paying attention, please try to keep up (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135460&forum_id=2#37251184) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 11:58 AM Author: Charismatic clear tanning salon you’re not doing very well itt. maybe try another (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135460&forum_id=2#37251198) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 1:39 PM Author: Trip Scourge Upon The Earth Jap “American Values” are just another form of real politick. Its pure propaganda and has never carried real weight when making policy decisions.
That being said, its a powerful propaganda tool. I dont know why youd want to degrade it just to score cheap political points against your domestic enemies. |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 3:48 PM Author: Stirring Ungodly Mother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135460&forum_id=2#37252491) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 1:49 PM Author: Nofapping elastic band newt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135460&forum_id=2#37251767) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 11:34 AM Author: Thirsty Bawdyhouse I guess I just feel if we don't stand for what's right, what's the point of any of it?
But I guess realpolitik wins at the end of the day because we have to live in the world.
Can't deny that it feels unclean and our whole symbiosis with SA feels like a deal with the devil. |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 11:39 AM Author: Lilac Tripping Locus Azn Sure. That’s a respectable view. But then this is a view you should have had for a long time already; there is nothing new in this incident. FWIW I think the Saudis and their exports of their ideology are a supreme cancer on the world and have been for a long time. This is just part of a longer pattern. |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 11:43 AM Author: Thirsty Bawdyhouse Right. I struggle to see why Iran is viewed as our ultimate nemesis whereas SA is not. It seems we sort of arbitrarily chose a side. Well not totally arbitrarily because Iran is ran by Islamic fundamentalists and SA is run by a mafia that claims to keep a "lid" on their extremists (mainly to protect their own power) but in reality Saudi Arabia exports Islamic extremism of a different variety backed back deep pockets all over the world much more than Iran ever did.
It all seems very strange. |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 11:47 AM Author: Charismatic clear tanning salon they’re both SPS. there is hope in Iran though bc the younger generation has a very different viewpoint than do the aging, ruling mullahs who hopefully will be dead soon. i’m not so optimistic about the Saudi situation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135460&forum_id=2#37251153) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 11:49 AM Author: Lilac Tripping Locus Azn it’s a brutally shitty situation that I’m also torn about, the only moments of clarity I have are when I conclude that they should both be nuked and walled off my only point in this thread though is that, no matter what your view, the Kashoggi incident changes nothing because we have long known that this is who the Saudis are, and I therefore don’t give a shit about it I do care very much about the broader situation, just not about Kashoggi |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 12:44 PM Author: razzle mustard main people french chef This smacks of Deep State and neocon warmongering to muster support for some more regime change in the Middle East. It’s a bit sickening. If the Saudis were behind 9/11 yet no one considered regime change, yet seriously would after this incident, such a person is too stupid to be able to vote.
I don’t give a shit about this at all. Newsflash: Middle Eastern countries run by Muslims are universally barbaric and shitty. It has been this way for centuries. And we have never really had a “moral” aspect to our foreign policy. Just support the lesser of two evils, or who benefits us more, which is what all other countries do and is correct.
That’s why we haven’t started a war with North Korea, despite them basically carrying out a Holocaust right now against their own people. Because it would be tremendously expensive, their refugees would flood and overwhelm their neighbors, and this all would be much worse for us than leaving things as is. Morality has nothing to do with it.
It’s also why many of us support Assad (a murderous dictator), because he’s infinitely better than the likely alternative (ISIS running the country). Hell, China is basically turning Africa into a slave colony yet again (apparently as nature intended), yet no one is batting an eye.
So, anyone upset about this needs to grow up. This is how the world works. Bad people/countries do bad things, and most look the other way, when taking action would require personal cost. Sometimes countries even ally with the bad people, when it’s a “lesser of two evils” situation and the host country benefits from the situation. There is no such thing as “American values” with respect to foreign policy; that’s a catchy slogan the neocons came up with to justify their endless World Police regime change foreign escapades. Gotta keep those defense contractors happy and profitable after all! |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 12:47 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle parlour jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135460&forum_id=2#37251440) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 1:01 PM Author: Thirsty Bawdyhouse A lot of word vomit that simply justifies murders and bad actors at the end of the day. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135460&forum_id=2#37251507) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 1:08 PM Author: razzle mustard main people french chef You can’t use the same things against me that people commonly say against you (word vomit).
I think you are very naive. Like I said, morality has nothing to do with the foreign policy of any country, and we are no exception. Countries do what benefits them, period.
And I have news for you: the Deep State operatives pushing this narrative to the (((media))), along with the reporters themselves, are amoral as hell. They don’t give a fuck about this dead Muslim Brotherhood operative in the slightest, and are hoping that they’ll get enough useful idiots on board. Don’t be some dumb tool.
Finally, and perhaps most persuasive to you, regime change in SA would be bad for Israel. The current guy is extremely Israel friendly. It is extremely likely that a replacement would be less friendly. |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 5:36 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle parlour jew Just because someone writes a couple long paragraphs doesn’t make it word vomit. It takes someone saying nothing with a lot of words to make it that. Like basically everything you write. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135460&forum_id=2#37253154) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 1:32 PM Author: Contagious Business Firm Well said. I can't believe people are letting themselves be manipulated into giving a shit about this one guy NOW after everything that has happened with Saudi Arabia and the middle east in the past 25 years. Why weren't they mad about the Yemen invasion or chopping off people's heads in a soccer stadiums? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135460&forum_id=2#37251655) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 1:40 PM Author: razzle mustard main people french chef Like I said, these people should have their right to vote removed. There is zero rational justification for this. Just emotional creatures that blindly dance to the drumbeats of war. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135460&forum_id=2#37251707) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 3:52 PM Author: Arousing sable lay (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135460&forum_id=2#37252508) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 12:49 PM Author: Naked Principal's Office Love Of Her Life Do we know who killed Seth Rich yet? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135460&forum_id=2#37251451) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 12:50 PM Author: Henna tattoo indian lodge It was a black gangbanger (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135460&forum_id=2#37251458) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 1:08 PM Author: Boyish shivering temple Saudi executes a lot of people, mostly by beheading, some by stoning. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135460&forum_id=2#37251537) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 1:12 PM Author: Henna tattoo indian lodge They kill gays for just existing. To me that seems wrong but its just my opinion. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135460&forum_id=2#37251549) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 1:16 PM Author: razzle mustard main people french chef Didn’t you get the memo? They were behind 9/11 but that’s no big deal. They have Sharia Law and execute people all the time, including people who leave Islam and gays, but that’s also no big deal.
But now they killed a JOURNALIST!! How dare they!!!!! Time to clutch some pearls and demand regime change! American values deserve nothing less!! |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 1:34 PM Author: Contagious Business Firm Deep state is really trying hard to forcememe this, seems to be working (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135460&forum_id=2#37251660) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 1:20 PM Author: Boyish shivering temple the only reason we care about saudi is we need their oil. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135460&forum_id=2#37251592) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 1:29 PM Author: razzle mustard main people french chef We do. But that’s good enough, just how it is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135460&forum_id=2#37251630) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 1:35 PM Author: Trip Scourge Upon The Earth Jap No one has been able to explain why the American people should care about this beyond some vague reference to “morals”. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135460&forum_id=2#37251669) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 1:41 PM Author: Boyish shivering temple it's not the media's job to explain things, it's their job to tell the American people what to think. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135460&forum_id=2#37251716) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 1:45 PM Author: Trip Scourge Upon The Earth Jap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135460&forum_id=2#37251740) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 1:45 PM Author: razzle mustard main people french chef A rare cr poast from you, wow! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135460&forum_id=2#37251746) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 1:45 PM Author: Fishy Underhanded Philosopher-king Faggotry the CIA should just take him out. then there is no question SA is ARE friends. no more moralizing, just get rid of the prince and problem solved.
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Date: November 17th, 2018 3:51 PM Author: navy idiotic messiness don't they stone people in saudi arabia still? not sure how this case was a big deal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135460&forum_id=2#37252506) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 3:52 PM Author: razzle mustard main people french chef It isn't. It is being forcememed by the (((media))) through a narrative created by the Deep State for the ulterior motive of more neocon regime change in the Middle East. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135460&forum_id=2#37252511) |