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number of 700+ SAT scored declined by 50% between 1962 and 1982
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Date: November 17th, 2018 12:20 PM Author: Coiffed immigrant how do you explain this? no one was taking the ACT in 1982, either. that's not a good explanation.
"In 1962, 19,099 students scored over 700 on the verbal SAT. Twenty years later, at a time when 50,000 more people were taking the test, there were only 9,392 scores over 700 — a drop to less than half the previous figure. " |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 1:42 PM Author: azure theater stage gaping the additional 50,000 people were more likely to have a lower iq than the initial 19,099 - there was a selection effect in 1962 for higher iq kids taking the sat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135512&forum_id=2#37251724) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 2:01 PM Author: Aromatic Preventive Strike the OP is about incidence, not prevalence (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135512&forum_id=2#37251842) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 4:30 PM Author: azure theater stage gaping realized that later (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135512&forum_id=2#37252746) |
Date: November 17th, 2018 12:45 PM Author: jet-lagged opaque ladyboy Idk but my parents' scores were relatively high relative to how dumb they seem. I know they re-curved in 1996 for snowflake early millenials and then later for Zoomers, but it could be that there was an unadvertised DOWNWARD curve done in the mid-late 70s after the Final Boomer took the SATs. There is some sort of cosmic conspiracy against Gen Xers imho. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135512&forum_id=2#37251437) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 1:02 PM Author: Coiffed immigrant good theory. gen-x got fucked in every way. now it's like they never existed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135512&forum_id=2#37251514) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 12:46 PM Author: obsidian exhilarant haunted graveyard source? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135512&forum_id=2#37251438) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 12:50 PM Author: Coiffed immigrant https://books.google.com/books?id=FPH_WA2YIqUC&printsec=frontcover&dq=seymour+itzkoff+decline&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjZtdHZ_tveAhXRna0KHdDSBEwQ6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q=seymour%20itzkoff%20decline&f=false (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135512&forum_id=2#37251459) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 12:57 PM Author: obsidian exhilarant haunted graveyard The first thing I would look into is whether there was a drop off in other measurable proxies for intelligence, such as state-wide scholastic tests, or maybe the ACT. As mentioned upthread, ETS was always tweaking with the SAT when they administered it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135512&forum_id=2#37251488) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 1:01 PM Author: Coiffed immigrant yeah, there were... the entire book is about documenting this, hence the title. it goes deep into how American students declined across the board, declined in academic competitions with international students, etc. his theory is that the 'upper class' didn't have enough kids |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 1:07 PM Author: obsidian exhilarant haunted graveyard The last assertion is obviously true world wide. Does he discuss trends in other developed countries as well?
What about SAT math scores? Why are you only mentioning the verbal section? |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 12:47 PM Author: Contagious menage international law enforcement agency More proles going to college. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135512&forum_id=2#37251441) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 12:48 PM Author: jet-lagged opaque ladyboy I don't know if you are flaming but he said in absolute numbers, not as a percentage. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135512&forum_id=2#37251446) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 12:51 PM Author: jet-lagged opaque ladyboy Privileged early boomers went around talking in Mid-Atlantic accents and didn't have nig influence in their lives... they grew up in the halcyon days of the 1950s and were insulated from the horrors that started to inflict this country from 1964-present.
Gen X grew up in a world that was indifferent at best but generally wished the worst for them... they also had better Distractions in the form of MTV and casual sex and breakdancing and drugs. |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 2:28 PM Author: Cracking Amber Sound Barrier Yes. MTV and breakdancing was super popular across the country in 1981. Good theory. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135512&forum_id=2#37252000) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 12:57 PM Author: Claret judgmental university place of business maybe concurrent rise of children raised on TV and decline of children raised on books? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135512&forum_id=2#37251490) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 2:02 PM Author: Aromatic Preventive Strike maybe the verbal SAT just got much harder over the years (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135512&forum_id=2#37251849) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 2:13 PM Author: obsidian exhilarant haunted graveyard In 1962 the mean Verbal score was 478, the mean Math score was 502. In 1990, after a gradual but consistent decline, these figures stood at 424 and 476 respectively, showing an 11 percent plus drop in the Verbal and a 5 percent plus drop in the Math SAT.
A puzzling dimension of this decline is the absolute reduction in high scorers, especially in the Verbal section. In 1962, which represents the postwar apogee, 19,099 students scored 700 or above in the Verbal section, out of a possible perfect score of 800. On the Math scale ranging from a perfect 800 to 200, the lowest possible score on each section of the SAT, 40,644 scored over 700.24 By 1983–84, as noted above, only 9,392 scored over 700 in the Verbal section and 32,469 in the Math. The number of students taking the test had gone from 912,204 in 1962–63 to 964,684 in 1983–84. At the very top of the scale, above 750, 1962 produced 2,673 who achieved that level on the Verbal, 8,628 on the Math. In 1983–84 the numbers were 1,588 and 7,002 respectively. In 1988, 986 students scored over 750 in the Verbal!25 In 1992 total SAT scores improved microscopically, by a point or two.26 |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 2:17 PM Author: obsidian exhilarant haunted graveyard Assuming this is correct, it seems likely that ETS was calibrating the test for a steeper curve. Also worth noting is that in the 60s, SAT scores were differentiated by single digits, but by 80s, they jumped up in ten-point increments. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135512&forum_id=2#37251936) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 2:27 PM Author: Coiffed immigrant so you think it's all down to slight tweaks in the test? a 50% decline? why would they do this? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135512&forum_id=2#37251991) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 2:49 PM Author: obsidian exhilarant haunted graveyard Obviously there were demographic shifts, including the brain drain in 60s and 70s, that probably contributed to the changes. But without knowing the entire battery of variables involved, I think the most likely explanation is the simplest one. For example, the ACT was apparently a major competitor to the SAT by 1980, with a million test takers annually, and it's possible that ETS wanted to make the SAT appear more rigorous. Curious to hear what other people think explains the disparity between verbal and math scores. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135512&forum_id=2#37252129) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 2:52 PM Author: Coiffed immigrant the answer given by the author is that the math section is far more teachable than the verbal section. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135512&forum_id=2#37252144) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 2:54 PM Author: obsidian exhilarant haunted graveyard That is definitely true, but I don't think there was much coaching going on in 70s and 80s. Certainly not enough to mitigate the national mean by 50 or so points. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135512&forum_id=2#37252161) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 2:26 PM Author: jet-lagged opaque ladyboy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135512&forum_id=2#37251985) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 3:00 PM Author: fantasy-prone overrated principal's office i do think the average person is dumber -- look at old high school exams from the 1800s -- but education and job specialization has done wonders to making that irrelevant. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135512&forum_id=2#37252191) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 4:32 PM Author: Motley bonkers kitty cat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135512&forum_id=2#37252756) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 4:33 PM Author: copper doctorate hall even some proles wrote amazingly well back in the 1800s (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4135512&forum_id=2#37252765) |